We're heading our way to war with Venezuela (T Carlson and D McGregor)

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In reply to SBGold • 1:28p, 1/3/26
SBGold said:
You fell in line right away


Lol you're so silly. I already said I wasn't for this. Try to stay with it
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1:34p, 1/3/26

I suppose we're allowed to talk about this now?

Smartmatic was a little-known firm with no experience in voting technology before it was chosen by the Venezuelan authorities to replace the country's elections machinery ahead a contentious referendum that confirmed Hugo Chavez as president in August 2004.
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In reply to Cal88 • 1:40p, 1/3/26
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BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
chazzed said:
It's going to be amusing to see the mental gymnastics oski003 comes up with to defend his dear leader.

What will be very far from amusing are all of the consequences. Trump's wars will cause so much unnecessary suffering. In terms of being a warmonger, he is just like any other Republican president.



I am not a fan of this, but I prefer a measured wait and see approach. I am particularly worried that this green lights China to invade Taiwan.


I don't disagree with you and don't necessarily agree with this guy but an interesting alternate perspective


Dumb take, if anything, the US taking over Venezuela by direct military means justifies China dong the same to Taiwan. Duh.

Beijing can get all its oil from Russia and the balance from sources like Brazil, Kazakhstan, Angola, Libya, and from Iran through land routes.

Ummm I don't think China needed a justification. They have been threatening to invade for a decade and running 'practice invasions' against Taiwan for the last 2-4 years. If anything I think this makes it more challenging for Beijing because the United States just took away one of it's oil production hubs off the board and Iran is in danger as well. China also has huge social issues going on in their own nation, all this makes it more difficult to pull off an invasion of Taiwan in the short term and the long term doesn't look a lot better either.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 1:41p, 1/3/26
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SBGold said:
MinotStateBeav said:
I was against this invasion but I gotta admit, Trump bossed this. Imagine having a bloodless regime change in 30 mins. where even the leader gets snatched with his wife like a sack of potatoes. This guy caused 1/3rd of his nation to flee, leaving multiple nations to take in millions of refugees, he didn't deserve to be a leader anymore, but I definitely don't want this to be a long term engagement.

There goes that MAGA logic. Oh, we do wage wars and takeovers with impunity now? Oh, time to fall in line

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You entirely misread his post if that's what you got from it. Take off the hater glasses and you'll be able to read better


Bingo.
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 1:57p, 1/3/26
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I was against this invasion but I gotta admit, Trump bossed this. Imagine having a bloodless regime change in 30 mins. where even the leader gets snatched with his wife like a sack of potatoes. This guy caused 1/3rd of his nation to flee, leaving multiple nations to take in millions of refugees, he didn't deserve to be a leader anymore, but I definitely don't want this to be a long term engagement.

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2:11p, 1/3/26

Lefties, is Trump still Putin's puppet?

Is Trump still an isolationist that allows dictators like Putin to exert influence over American strategic interests?
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In reply to DiabloWags • 2:29p, 1/3/26
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They only know how to speak through tweets or memes. They're unable to offer an organic thought from their pea-sized domes.

The memes and talking points haven't been created yet. But make no mistake, the "3 Stooges" will be arriving shortly with their Peace President spin.

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2:30p, 1/3/26
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In reply to DiabloWags • 2:32p, 1/3/26
DiabloWags said:
As for Venezuela, there's an old saying . . .

"You break it.
You own it."

The more recent saying was:

Trump is very "susceptible" to authoritarian thugs like Putin and Maduro.
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In reply to dajo9 • 2:36p, 1/3/26
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I like how the usual suspects have nothing to say until the talking points come out and then they are ad nauseum

Projection. Are we all waiting on talking points from Fox News? There are healthy debates on everything Trump has been doing over on X if you want to find them.
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In reply to sonofabear51 • 2:41p, 1/3/26
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He is a F!@#$%^ asshat. Such a jerk.

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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 2:43p, 1/3/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:

Lefties, is Trump still Putin's puppet?

Is Trump still an isolationist that allows dictators like Putin to exert influence over American strategic interests?


Definitely not an isolationist. Definitely an interventionist to advance US interests in lower risk situations. But will not intervene if US interests aren't clearly at stake or risks of military escalation are large- Ukraine and Taiwan
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2:47p, 1/3/26
How does this work exactly with an already broken county with non-working infrastructure, hyper inflation, and moribund economy already fallen apart, and the current government in control over the military?

I'm probably asking the wrong group, but does anyone have an intelligent answer that doesn't involve the US military occupying the country?
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In reply to wifeisafurd • 2:57p, 1/3/26
The funny thing was, immediately when I heard we captured Maduro and the Venezuelan defense minister said basically we're in control and at war with the US....I figured..well...we got Maduro, but now we'll let the same people take control? Then Trump's press conference was essentially, we'll run Venezuela until we can get a judicious transfer of power, I think that's the only way to do this...otherwise the same criminals take over the country by force. We have to allow the people to have an election. People saying its for the oil, are right but for the wrong reason. We don't need the oil to sell, our country has all the oil we will ever need, we're taking control of their oil to deny China and Iran. Also Venezuela's oil is the country's lifeblood. They should not be living in poverty like they are.
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2:59p, 1/3/26
I'm guessing that the current military and elites are on board in advance via CIA and that a new government will form. More like Panama than Iraq , but nobody knows
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 3:01p, 1/3/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:

Lefties, is Trump still Putin's puppet?

Is Trump still an isolationist that allows dictators like Putin to exert influence over American strategic interests?

Yes, Putin still wields influence over Trump. With regard to your second question, Trump is a desperate liar.

In any case, you are just trying to distract with those questions.
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3:02p, 1/3/26

There was no war with Venezuela.

But we've been at war with the CCP for quite some time.
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In reply to chazzed • 3:04p, 1/3/26
chazzed said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

Lefties, is Trump still Putin's puppet?

Is Trump still an isolationist that allows dictators like Putin to exert influence over American strategic interests?

Yes, Putin still wields influence over Trump. With regard to your second question, Trump is a desperate liar.

In any case, you are just trying to distract with those questions.

I don't think Trump is worried about Putin in any real sense other than he would like to peel him from China's influence. People think Trump is cozy to Putin because he's some secret Russian stooge but they have no understanding of the bigger game at play. Everything that's happening is about regional stability and how the world will look when the arctic passage opens up around Canada.
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In reply to chazzed • 3:12p, 1/3/26
chazzed said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

Lefties, is Trump still Putin's puppet?

Is Trump still an isolationist that allows dictators like Putin to exert influence over American strategic interests?

Yes, Putin still wields influence over Trump. With regard to your second question, Trump is a desperate liar.

In any case, you are just trying to distract with those questions.


Because you don't like the questions or their answers?
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3:50p, 1/3/26
Some local politico claims all four top honchos need to go (or it will be more of the same, or worse), then bring in the popularly elected president (a woman).
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 4:28p, 1/3/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
I like how the usual suspects have nothing to say until the talking points come out and then they are ad nauseum

Projection. Are we all waiting on talking points from Fox News? There are healthy debates on everything Trump has been doing over on X if you want to find them.

Yes, we've seen the 5 talking points from X that you've posted this afternoon to this thread.
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4:37p, 1/3/26


Donroe Doctrine - Maybe countries in this hemisphere shouldn't resell embargoed Russian oil to China and also shouldn't allow China to build military infrastructure that would grant them access to our backyard.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 4:41p, 1/3/26
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Yes, we've seen the 5 talking points from X that you've posted this afternoon to this thread.

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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 4:42p, 1/3/26
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The funny thing was, immediately when I heard we captured Maduro and the Venezuelan defense minister said basically we're in control and at war with the US....I figured..well...we got Maduro, but now we'll let the same people take control? Then Trump's press conference was essentially, we'll run Venezuela until we can get a judicious transfer of power, I think that's the only way to do this...otherwise the same criminals take over the country by force. We have to allow the people to have an election. People saying its for the oil, are right but for the wrong reason. We don't need the oil to sell, our country has all the oil we will ever need, we're taking control of their oil to deny China and Iran. Also Venezuela's oil is the country's lifeblood. They should not be living in poverty like they are.

From what I'm remembering from an article I read a few years ago, Venezuela nationalized their oil industry decades ago and kicked out the foreign oil companies and their experts. It then failed to do maintenance so their capacity to get oil out of the ground diminished greatly. Companies that did oil field maintenance didn't trust Venezuela to pay them, as did companies that produce oil field equipment. Probably wise as Venezuela was spending their oil money like a drunken sailor on other things. So, oil production is a small fraction of what it was years ago. That's why Venezuelans are living in poverty. I imagine that will continue for the foreseeable future as rebuilding the Venezuelan oil industry will take years, if not decades.
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 4:45p, 1/3/26
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chazzed said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

Lefties, is Trump still Putin's puppet?

Is Trump still an isolationist that allows dictators like Putin to exert influence over American strategic interests?

Yes, Putin still wields influence over Trump. With regard to your second question, Trump is a desperate liar.

In any case, you are just trying to distract with those questions.

I don't think Trump is worried about Putin in any real sense other than he would like to peel him from China's influence. People think Trump is cozy to Putin because he's some secret Russian stooge but they have no understanding of the bigger game at play. Everything that's happening is about regional stability and how the world will look when the arctic passage opens up around Canada.

Nonsense. Global warming and melting arctic ice are liberal fantasies.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 5:07p, 1/3/26
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
MinotStateBeav said:
chazzed said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:

Lefties, is Trump still Putin's puppet?

Is Trump still an isolationist that allows dictators like Putin to exert influence over American strategic interests?

Yes, Putin still wields influence over Trump. With regard to your second question, Trump is a desperate liar.

In any case, you are just trying to distract with those questions.

I don't think Trump is worried about Putin in any real sense other than he would like to peel him from China's influence. People think Trump is cozy to Putin because he's some secret Russian stooge but they have no understanding of the bigger game at play. Everything that's happening is about regional stability and how the world will look when the arctic passage opens up around Canada.

Nonsense. Global warming and melting arctic ice are liberal fantasies.


You're right, the opening of the arctic route is going to be made possible by a fleet of nuclear ice breakers.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 5:09p, 1/3/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:


Donroe Doctrine - Maybe countries in this hemisphere shouldn't resell embargoed Russian oil to China and also shouldn't allow China to build military infrastructure that would grant them access to our backyard.


No, nooo, noo, you got it all wrong. It's about bringing freedom and democracy to the people of Venezuela!
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In reply to Cal88 • 5:12p, 1/3/26
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:


Donroe Doctrine - Maybe countries in this hemisphere shouldn't resell embargoed Russian oil to China and also shouldn't allow China to build military infrastructure that would grant them access to our backyard.

No, nooo, noo, you got it all wrong. It's about bringing freedom and democracy to the people of Venezuela!

Actually, it's about the Zionists trying to distract everyone from Epstein.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 5:19p, 1/3/26
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Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:


Donroe Doctrine - Maybe countries in this hemisphere shouldn't resell embargoed Russian oil to China and also shouldn't allow China to build military infrastructure that would grant them access to our backyard.

No, nooo, noo, you got it all wrong. It's about bringing freedom and democracy to the people of Venezuela!

Actually, it's about the Zionists trying to distract everyone from Epstein.


Actually, it is a distraction from Cade entering the portal.
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In reply to oski003 • 5:24p, 1/3/26
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Actually, it is a distraction from Cade entering the portal.

As Wags likes to say, bingo!
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5:35p, 1/3/26

The Chinese delegation is still in Venezuela.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 6:41p, 1/3/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:


Donroe Doctrine - Maybe countries in this hemisphere shouldn't resell embargoed Russian oil to China and also shouldn't allow China to build military infrastructure that would grant them access to our backyard.

No, nooo, noo, you got it all wrong. It's about bringing freedom and democracy to the people of Venezuela!

Actually, it's about the Zionists trying to distract everyone from Epstein.


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In reply to BearlySane88 • 8:39a, 1/4/26
BearlySane88 said:
socaltownie said:
BearlySane88 said:
oski003 said:
chazzed said:
It's going to be amusing to see the mental gymnastics oski003 comes up with to defend his dear leader.

What will be very far from amusing are all of the consequences. Trump's wars will cause so much unnecessary suffering. In terms of being a warmonger, he is just like any other Republican president.



I am not a fan of this, but I prefer a measured wait and see approach. I am particularly worried that this green lights China to invade Taiwan.


I don't disagree with you and don't necessarily agree with this guy but an interesting alternate perspective


Bad take. They pump less than 1m a day. Russia currently 10m a day.


But they could pump a hell of a lot more now, right? And controlling it so it isn't going to Russia is a net positive?

Again, I don't know enough about the oil world to have hard line opinion this.

Nope. I read that it would take 58 BILLION to increase production. I am n ot an oil man ;-) but my understanding is that it is really an infrastructure intensive activity - think pipelines, storage, a ****LOAD of electricity since most oil is no longer under the kind of pressure that popular culture has as a "gusher" and needs to be pumped, etc. etc. etc.

Essentially the Chavez regime pillaged their oil infrastructure for decades. This article suggested a decade or more before we would see a meaningful increase in production.

And "fun fact" - adding that supply to the market drives down price (absent increase in demand) and where that hurts the most is in shale production - which of course is in Maga territory like Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Fun fact Number 2. Absent a lot better people in charge of the coming occupation oil infrastructure is really easy to disrupt with both active and passive resistance. This is going to be a **** show.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 8:42a, 1/4/26
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
MinotStateBeav said:
The funny thing was, immediately when I heard we captured Maduro and the Venezuelan defense minister said basically we're in control and at war with the US....I figured..well...we got Maduro, but now we'll let the same people take control? Then Trump's press conference was essentially, we'll run Venezuela until we can get a judicious transfer of power, I think that's the only way to do this...otherwise the same criminals take over the country by force. We have to allow the people to have an election. People saying its for the oil, are right but for the wrong reason. We don't need the oil to sell, our country has all the oil we will ever need, we're taking control of their oil to deny China and Iran. Also Venezuela's oil is the country's lifeblood. They should not be living in poverty like they are.

From what I'm remembering from an article I read a few years ago, Venezuela nationalized their oil industry decades ago and kicked out the foreign oil companies and their experts. It then failed to do maintenance so their capacity to get oil out of the ground diminished greatly. Companies that did oil field maintenance didn't trust Venezuela to pay them, as did companies that produce oil field equipment. Probably wise as Venezuela was spending their oil money like a drunken sailor on other things. So, oil production is a small fraction of what it was years ago. That's why Venezuelans are living in poverty. I imagine that will continue for the foreseeable future as rebuilding the Venezuelan oil industry will take years, if not decades.

This is my understanding though thanks for adding the rational actions by the companies that maintained the stuff.
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