We're heading our way to war with Venezuela (T Carlson and D McGregor)

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sycasey
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So is this actually going to be better for Venezuelans?

PAC-10-BEAR
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sycasey said:

So is this actually going to be better for Venezuelans?

Under Maduro, there were no armed gangs roaming the streets arresting journalists?
Anarchistbear
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

Anarchistbear said:

Why are all these Venezuelans allowed in the country in the first place?

Because Venezuela wasn't on the list of sh8thole countries?


Miller and Trump need to update, definitely s$it hole contender
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movielover
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DiabloWags said:

movielover said:

You skip the biggest plays:

- Russian transshipments blocked
- China neutered


How has China been neutered?
Please explain.

Venezuelan oil shipments made up only 4% of China's oil imports last year.

Trump's maneuver may have hurt the "teapot" refiners who process deeply discounted sludgy high-sulphur crude that's used to produce bitumen for construction and road building, but that's about it.

Meanwhile, the hoard of sanctioned sea oil continues to expand.
This will cushion Chinese buyers in coming months.

Almost 82 million barrels is currently on tankers in waters off China and Malaysia.
Mostly Iranian crude.






$105 Billion in unpaid loans, future mineral extraction likely more MAGA than Chicom.
sycasey
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

So is this actually going to be better for Venezuelans?

Under Maduro, there were no armed gangs roaming the streets arresting journalists?

That wasn't the question. Things staying the same is not better.
oski003
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sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

So is this actually going to be better for Venezuelans?

Under Maduro, there were no armed gangs roaming the streets arresting journalists?

That wasn't the question. Things staying the same is not better.

What is happening on the ground in day 3 is not indicative of the future status quo.
sycasey
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oski003 said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

So is this actually going to be better for Venezuelans?

Under Maduro, there were no armed gangs roaming the streets arresting journalists?

That wasn't the question. Things staying the same is not better.

What is happening on the ground in day 3 is not indicative of the future status quo.

Very true. But it's fair to ask what will be required of the United States if removing Maduro is to actually become an improvement for the people of Venezuela. Letting his second in command take over and continue the regime probably would not be the way to do that. But there also seems to be an unwillingness for the US to maintain direct control there with actual "boots on the ground," so to speak. So what is the plan?
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> So what is the plan?

last i heard the (credible) threat was stealing mineral rich / so-called Greenland..
sighned, not dead yet # funk trunk
oski003
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sycasey said:

oski003 said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

So is this actually going to be better for Venezuelans?

Under Maduro, there were no armed gangs roaming the streets arresting journalists?

That wasn't the question. Things staying the same is not better.

What is happening on the ground in day 3 is not indicative of the future status quo.

Very true. But it's fair to ask what will be required of the United States if removing Maduro is to actually become an improvement for the people of Venezuela. Letting his second in command take over and continue the regime probably would not be the way to do that. But there also seems to be an unwillingness for the US to maintain direct control there with actual "boots on the ground," so to speak. So what is the plan?


I am not sure what the plan is. I am curious myself.
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Aunburdened
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sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

So is this actually going to be better for Venezuelans?

Under Maduro, there were no armed gangs roaming the streets arresting journalists?

That wasn't the question. Things staying the same is not better.

Things staying the same would be better than I expect things to end up in this cluster****.
Aunburdened
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Cal88
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" Trump's Impositions Will Implode Venezuela

The Trump administration has told Venezuela that it must expel representatives from China, Russia, Iran, and Cuba and sever economic ties with them before being allowed to increase oil production.

In addition, he warned that 30 to 50 million barrels must be supplied to the United States, with the revenue from these sales administered by him for the benefit of the populations of both Venezuela and the United States????.

Venezuela would also be required to partner exclusively with the U.S. on oil production and prioritize selling crude to American buyers. The U.S. government would control Venezuelan oil sales to ensure that no petroleum is sold to enemies of the United States.

These measures are a colossal mistake, and I'll explain why.

Everyone is already saying that Delcy was the one who handed Maduro over to the Americans. When the U.S. forces her to make concessions of this magnitude, the population begins to see her as complicit in the looting and oppression.

At the same time, Diosdado Cabello and Vladimir Padrino Lpez, long-time enemies of Delcy, have launched movements against the president, portraying her as a traitor.

Today, Trump threatened Diosdado, saying that if he does not fall into line, he will be the next target.

All of this severely weakens the president's position, leaving her facing two powerful, well-armed adversaries."

Delcy took control of the security council, which oversees the Chavista armed collectives, but Diosdado has ignored this and continues to command the strongest ones.
Right now, various collectives are operating in the streets under orders from both sides.

Trump's measures are like throwing gunpowder onto an already fragile Venezuela. They place the president in a position where she will fall quickly, plunging the country into an internal conflict that cannot be resolved by a U.S. military occupation.

Latin Americans can be deceived or misled by their own governments, but they will not tolerate blatant, in-your-face oppression. This will not end well. "


(Delcy Rodriguez is the VZ VP and interim president.)
MinotStateBeav
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People that want to understand how Venezuela fits into the drug trade, here's a guy that's very knowledgeable about Cartel business explaining what Venezuela does.
(timestamped it at the point he starts talking about venezuela)


Cal88
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MinotStateBeav said:

People that want to understand how Venezuela fits into the drug trade, here's a guy that's very knowledgeable about Cartel business explaining what Venezuela does.
(timestamped it at the point he starts talking about venezuela)



The DEA's own reports on drug smuggling from Latin America don't mention Venezuela as an important source. I don't think this guy is more knowledgeable than the DEA.

sycasey
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Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

People that want to understand how Venezuela fits into the drug trade, here's a guy that's very knowledgeable about Cartel business explaining what Venezuela does.
(timestamped it at the point he starts talking about venezuela)



The DEA's own reports on drug smuggling from Latin America don't mention Venezuela as an important source. I don't think this guy is more knowledgeable than the DEA.



Isn't the DEA part of the Deep State? Or have we moved on from that?

Anyway, even though I don't support it morally or strategically, I kind of admire that the Trump Administration is just nakedly admitting that this regime change was only about oil. No "promoting democracy" or "protecting America from terrorists" or whatever. It's about taking the oil, full stop.
MinotStateBeav
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Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

People that want to understand how Venezuela fits into the drug trade, here's a guy that's very knowledgeable about Cartel business explaining what Venezuela does.
(timestamped it at the point he starts talking about venezuela)



The DEA's own reports on drug smuggling from Latin America don't mention Venezuela as an important source. I don't think this guy is more knowledgeable than the DEA.



ahh yes, we've been blowing up drug boats left and right and seizing them as well...because there's nothing to see here...
BearlySane88
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What they are saying is that it's protecting the US and the western hemisphere from the influence of our enemies, Russia and China.

Whether you agree or not is fine but that's the "America first" spin they are putting on it
sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:

What they are saying is that it's protecting the US and the western hemisphere from the influence of our enemies, Russia and China.

Whether you agree or not is fine but that's the "America first" spin they are putting on it

Yes, by gaining control of Venezuela's oil.
BearlySane88
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And by removing Chinese and Russian assets
movielover
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Having bookends in Venezuela and Panama has advantages.
PAC-10-BEAR
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The exact opposite kind of happened.
Cal88
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MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

People that want to understand how Venezuela fits into the drug trade, here's a guy that's very knowledgeable about Cartel business explaining what Venezuela does.
(timestamped it at the point he starts talking about venezuela)



The DEA's own reports on drug smuggling from Latin America don't mention Venezuela as an important source. I don't think this guy is more knowledgeable than the DEA.


ahh yes, we've been blowing up drug boats left and right and seizing them as well...because there's nothing to see here...


These boats were not smuggling anything into the US.
Cal88
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PAC-10-BEAR said:


The exact opposite kind of happened.


Most of these critiques are wrong, zero context or nuance. There is a very wide difference between a hack neocon shill like that Australian guy, who is most probably getting paid to push a neocon agenda, and an academic like Mearsheimer.
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Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:


The exact opposite kind of happened.

Most of these critiques are wrong, zero context or nuance. There is a very wide difference between a hack neocon shill like that Australian guy, who is most probably getting paid to push a neocon agenda, and an academic like Mearsheimer.

Mearshimer expected the U.S. incursion into Venezuela due to outside superpower influences in the U.S.' own backyard. He would view current events not through the lens of morality but through this own theory of offensive realism which "describes the interaction between great powers as being primarily driven by the rational desire to achieve regional hegemony in an anarchic international system."

In the clip however, he makes some predictions, where if he was a betting man, he would have lost everything. As an academic, he should stay in his lane. "Maduro knows we're coming after him so he's going to be hard to get...."
movielover
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We plucked him out of the top military base.
SBGold
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Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

People that want to understand how Venezuela fits into the drug trade, here's a guy that's very knowledgeable about Cartel business explaining what Venezuela does.
(timestamped it at the point he starts talking about venezuela)



The DEA's own reports on drug smuggling from Latin America don't mention Venezuela as an important source. I don't think this guy is more knowledgeable than the DEA.


ahh yes, we've been blowing up drug boats left and right and seizing them as well...because there's nothing to see here...


These boats were not smuggling anything into the US.

Minot needs to give up, how much lower can he sink?
BearlySane88
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SBGold said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

People that want to understand how Venezuela fits into the drug trade, here's a guy that's very knowledgeable about Cartel business explaining what Venezuela does.
(timestamped it at the point he starts talking about venezuela)



The DEA's own reports on drug smuggling from Latin America don't mention Venezuela as an important source. I don't think this guy is more knowledgeable than the DEA.


ahh yes, we've been blowing up drug boats left and right and seizing them as well...because there's nothing to see here...


These boats were not smuggling anything into the US.

Minot needs to give up, how much lower can he sink?


Punny!
sycasey
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PAC-10-BEAR said:


The exact opposite kind of happened.

It doesn't matter how many times Mearsheimer is wrong about something, the Russia stans will keep quoting him because of one thing he said about Ukraine.
PAC-10-BEAR
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sycasey said:

It doesn't matter how many times Mearsheimer is wrong about something, the Russia stans will keep quoting him because of one thing he said about Ukraine.

Mearsheimer knows Russia will never accept Ukraine as part of NATO in the same way the U.S. won't accept Russia-China influence in the western hemisphere.
MinotStateBeav
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BearlySane88 said:

SBGold said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

People that want to understand how Venezuela fits into the drug trade, here's a guy that's very knowledgeable about Cartel business explaining what Venezuela does.
(timestamped it at the point he starts talking about venezuela)



The DEA's own reports on drug smuggling from Latin America don't mention Venezuela as an important source. I don't think this guy is more knowledgeable than the DEA.


ahh yes, we've been blowing up drug boats left and right and seizing them as well...because there's nothing to see here...


These boats were not smuggling anything into the US.

Minot needs to give up, how much lower can he sink?


Punny!

MinotStateBeav when he see's SBGold trying to come at him,

BearlySane88
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SBGold said:

MinotStateBeav said:

BearlySane88 said:

SBGold said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Cal88 said:

MinotStateBeav said:

People that want to understand how Venezuela fits into the drug trade, here's a guy that's very knowledgeable about Cartel business explaining what Venezuela does.
(timestamped it at the point he starts talking about venezuela)



The DEA's own reports on drug smuggling from Latin America don't mention Venezuela as an important source. I don't think this guy is more knowledgeable than the DEA.


ahh yes, we've been blowing up drug boats left and right and seizing them as well...because there's nothing to see here...


These boats were not smuggling anything into the US.

Minot needs to give up, how much lower can he sink?


Punny!

MinotStateBeav when he see's SBGold trying to come at him,



and then you took off the VR glasses and were still stuck in the basement.

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever


Your fake unity is showing again
PAC-10-BEAR
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Putting aside the debate over the U.S. incursion into Venezuela for a moment and just looking strictly at the military operation to capture Maduro, you have to say the operation was pretty bad ass.
 
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