Iran. Oh, the irony...

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In reply to BearlySane88 • 2:25p
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.


And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.


You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.


I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard


You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...
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In reply to TrumpBear • 2:43p
TrumpBear said:


You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.


Iran's navy has never been heralded as a key military asset.
Moreover, it's questionable just how "degraded" their drone capacity is.
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In reply to Big C • 2:45p
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.


And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.


You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.


I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard


You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...


And that goal is nearly achieved.
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In reply to dajo9 • 2:46p
dajo9 said:
Trump TACOs again. This time with a whimper of an economic DDay.


The "D" in Trump's Economic D-Day stands for Dud.

On 'Economic D-Day,' the Trump administration overpromised and underdelivered (again)
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 2:49p
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.


And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.


You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.


I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard


You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...


And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!
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In reply to sycasey • 2:49p
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.


And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.


You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.


I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard


You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...


And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!


We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 2:51p
DiabloWags said:
dajo9 said:
Trump TACOs again. This time with a whimper of an economic DDay.


The "D" in Trump's Economic D-Day stands for Dud.

On 'Economic D-Day,' the Trump administration overpromised and underdelivered (again)


Well done Trump. The threat will hopefully be enough for bad actors to get their **** together. Love this decision
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In reply to sycasey • 3:06p
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.


And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.


You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.


I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard


You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...


And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!


And when gas prices finally go down, it will no longer be Biden's fault.




8/28/26
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In reply to DiabloWags • 3:10p
DiabloWags said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.


And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.


You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.


I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard


You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...


And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!


And when gas prices finally go down, it will no longer be Biden's fault.




8/28/26


In your other post you said you got gas for much cheaper than this picture. Posting this alone is very misleading.
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For those that are unaware of why Chevron gasoline is more expensive . . .

Some people think that gasoline is all the same.
It isn't, given the addiitive packages that usually find their way into Top Tier gasoline.

And then of course with Chevron, there is a Techron patented fuel additive with powerful detergents to help keep engine parts clean by fighting deposits in an engines fuel intake system and also minimizes contributing to harmful combustion chamber deposits.

Why is Chevron with Techron more expensive & is gas with Techron worth the extra cost? - Alt Car news



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In reply to BearlySane88 • 3:19p
BearlySane88 said:
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BearlySane88 said:
MTG has no clue what's going on. This is really funny that she claims to know anything that's happening. Even funnier that people believe it


No. MTG's comments are accurate. The Trump administration has been discussing the use of tactical nuclear weapons in Iran, because that's the only way for either the U.S. or Israel to defeat Iran militarily.



That's a nice fantasy world you live in.

I've never depended on MTG to make my argument or support my assertions.

All I'm saying is that MTG's take is consistent with a broad collection of courageous experts in intelligence, military affairs, arms control, international relations, and economics who are willing to tell the truth about current events.

These experts are [now] outside of the Trump administration, U.S. Intelligence, the Military-Industrial Complex, the American Empire, the Israel Lobby, the Epstein Class, and outside the U.S. / Western corporate media propaganda complex -- so they're [ideally] free to tell the truth without losing their jobs.

Most of the Truth-Tellers receive death threats on a regular basis. Scott Ritter is on a U.S.-sponsored Ukrainian 'kill list'. He still visits Russia and Ukraine in his search for the truth.

The Trump administration and the Tech Bros are planning a crackdown on independent media, anti-war or anti-genocide opinions, and the civil liberties (1st, 4th, & 5th Amendment) of Americans after the midterm elections.

So you're welcome to call reality a fantasy, and vice versa. That's your right.

But at least look at the track record of all the people who lied us into wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, and now Iran. The same people & the same institutions have been lying to all of us for years, and have never been held to account.

You might want to reach outside your bubble for some news, information, & analysis, compare it to what you're consuming on the inside, and get an honest reconciliation of the differences.

Unless you enjoy repeatedly being proven wrong, that is.

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In reply to cbbass1 • 3:21p
cbbass1 said:

So you're welcome to call reality a fantasy, and vice versa. That's your right.

But at least look at the track record of all the people who lied us into wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, and now Iran. The same people & the same institutions have been lying to all of us for years, and have never been held to account.

You might want to reach outside your bubble for some news, information, & analysis, compare it to what you're consuming on the inside, and get an honest reconciliation of the differences.

Unless you enjoy repeatedly being proven wrong, that is.



Sound advice!
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In reply to cbbass1 • 3:27p
I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong. I live in the Bay Area bro, my bubble is liberal lol.
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3:29p
So Much WINNING!



Trump declares 'mission accomplished' in Iran as conflict drags on
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General Bone Spurs Gaslighting the American Public.

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In reply to DiabloWags • 3:35p
DiabloWags said:
dajo9 said:
Trump TACOs again. This time with a whimper of an economic DDay.


The "D" in Trump's Economic D-Day stands for Dud.

On 'Economic D-Day,' the Trump administration overpromised and underdelivered (again)

The official name given to this "Economic D-Day" is "Operation Economic Outcast".

Treasury Secretary Bessent was apparently unaware that his scheme of secondary sanctions would result in the U.S. and Israel being the Outcasts, while the USD loses its status as the world's reserve currency, and the BRICS economic alliance, with currencies backed by precious metals and commodities, strengthens.

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In reply to DiabloWags • 3:36p
> And then of course with Chevron, there is a Techron patented fuel additive with powerful detergents to help keep engine parts clean by fighting deposits in an engines fuel intake system and also minimizes contributing to harmful combustion chamber deposits.

huh, thanks DW; and all this time i thought smelly gas came from eating too many beans
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 3:42p
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I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong. I live in the Bay Area bro, my bubble is liberal lol.

We can start with, "That goal [of opening the Strait of Hormuz] is nearly achieved."

There's factual information to be had. That ain't it.


Then why do Trump & Bessent need the 'Operation Economic Isolation'?
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In reply to cbbass1 • 3:44p
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong. I live in the Bay Area bro, my bubble is liberal lol.

We can start with, "That goal [of opening the Strait of Hormuz] is nearly achieved."

There's factual information to be had. That ain't it.



What other Iranian propaganda are you buying?

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