BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

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You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

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TrumpBear said:

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

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You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

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Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

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dajo9 said:

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Trump TACOs again. This time with a whimper of an economic DDay.

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

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You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

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Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

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And that goal is nearly achieved.

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

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You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

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Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

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And that goal is nearly achieved.

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Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

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DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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Trump TACOs again. This time with a whimper of an economic DDay.

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The "D" in Trump's Economic D-Day stands for Dud.

On 'Economic D-Day,' the Trump administration overpromised and underdelivered (again)

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DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

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You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

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Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

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And that goal is nearly achieved.

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Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

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And when gas prices finally go down, it will no longer be Biden's fault.




8/28/26

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BearlySane88 said:

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cbbass1 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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MTG has no clue what's going on. This is really funny that she claims to know anything that's happening. Even funnier that people believe it

As someone who carried the nuclear football, this is the most insane, irresponsible thing I’ve ever seen a “public political official” post on social media.

— Buzz Patterson (@BuzzPatterson) August 16, 2026

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No. MTG's comments are accurate. The Trump administration has been discussing the use of tactical nuclear weapons in Iran, because that's the only way for either the U.S. or Israel to defeat Iran militarily.

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That's a nice fantasy world you live in.

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cbbass1 said:

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So you're welcome to call reality a fantasy, and vice versa. That's your right.

But at least look at the track record of all the people who lied us into wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, and now Iran. The same people & the same institutions have been lying to all of us for years, and have never been held to account.

You might want to reach outside your bubble for some news, information, & analysis, compare it to what you're consuming on the inside, and get an honest reconciliation of the differences.

Unless you enjoy repeatedly being proven wrong, that is.

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cbbass1 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong. I live in the Bay Area bro, my bubble is liberal lol.

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We can start with, "That goal [of opening the Strait of Hormuz] is nearly achieved."

There's factual information to be had. That ain't it.

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🚨 The Islamic Republic’s massive Hormuz minefield was largely a bluff built on decoys, while even the real mines were reportedly poorly deployed.

According to reporting cited by @SullyCNBC, shipowners said many suspected mines were decoys, including inflated trash bags.… https://t.co/P3utCb9fvC pic.twitter.com/vemorGd15f

— The Iran Watcher (@TheIranWatcher) August 28, 2026

DiabloWags said:

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Kind of weird how our CENTCOM Commander said yesterday that it took SEVERAL MONTHS to clear the Strait of Hormuz of all of these mines. I guess there were actual mines there. Not just trash bags.



U.S. military says Strait of Hormuz has been cleared of mines

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