BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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They will say they oppose forever wars but they will support this war as long as Trump wants to fight it. When a Democrat becomes President they will demand the war be ended. When a Democrat ends the war they will criticize them for it.

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Not a forever war so we are good there and once again, Biden was criticized for how he ended things.

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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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They will say they oppose forever wars but they will support this war as long as Trump wants to fight it. When a Democrat becomes President they will demand the war be ended. When a Democrat ends the war they will criticize them for it.

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Not a forever war so we are good there and once again, Biden was criticized for how he ended things.

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Posts about flagging, locking, sock puppets, etc. are more meaningful than anything Trump has to say. His words are meaningless.

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Hasn't Iran already closed the Straits and started charging fees?

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Posts about flagging, locking, sock puppets, etc. are more meaningful than anything Trump has to say. His words are meaningless.

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Hasn't Iran already closed the Straits and started charging fees?

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What fee collecting mechanism is Iran supposedly using?

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Posts about flagging, locking, sock puppets, etc. are more meaningful than anything Trump has to say. His words are meaningless.

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Hasn't Iran already closed the Straits and started charging fees?

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What fee collecting mechanism is Iran supposedly using?

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The same one that they are talking to Oman about instituting. Didn't the administration say that there should be no fees charged, and yet they say they are going to charge 20%. What fee collecting mechanism are they going to use? Isn't that illegal? So Iran can't charge fees but we can? Per the Insurance Journal, Iran started charging ad hoc fees for going through the Straits as of March 25, 2026. The IR wants to formalize the charges but, as of now they are being charged on a case by case basis. The mechanism and currency they are using to pay the $2 million per vessel is unknown at this time but, some vessels have made the payment.

When you find out the mechanism they are using please post and let me know and I will surely do the same.

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Posts about flagging, locking, sock puppets, etc. are more meaningful than anything Trump has to say. His words are meaningless.

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Hasn't Iran already closed the Straits and started charging fees?

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What fee collecting mechanism is Iran supposedly using?

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The same one that they are talking to Oman about instituting. Didn't the administration say that there should be no fees charged, and yet they say they are going to charge 20%. What fee collecting mechanism are they going to use? Isn't that illegal? So Iran can't charge fees but we can? Per the Insurance Journal, Iran started charging ad hoc fees for going through the Straits as of March 25, 2026. The IR wants to formalize the charges but, as of now they are being charged on a case by case basis. The mechanism and currency they are using to pay the $2 million per vessel is unknown at this time but, some vessels have made the payment.

When you find out the mechanism they are using please post and let me know and I will surely do the same.

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I haven't argued in favor of the fees by the US.

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Posts about flagging, locking, sock puppets, etc. are more meaningful than anything Trump has to say. His words are meaningless.

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Hasn't Iran already closed the Straits and started charging fees?

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What fee collecting mechanism is Iran supposedly using?

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The same one that they are talking to Oman about instituting. Didn't the administration say that there should be no fees charged, and yet they say they are going to charge 20%. What fee collecting mechanism are they going to use? Isn't that illegal? So Iran can't charge fees but we can? Per the Insurance Journal, Iran started charging ad hoc fees for going through the Straits as of March 25, 2026. The IR wants to formalize the charges but, as of now they are being charged on a case by case basis. The mechanism and currency they are using to pay the $2 million per vessel is unknown at this time but, some vessels have made the payment.

When you find out the mechanism they are using please post and let me know and I will surely do the same.

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I haven't argued in favor of the fees by the US.

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I didn't say you did, you asked what mechanism is Iran using and I answered. Not sure why you think I asked you if you were in favor of the U.S. charging fees. Nobody knows the mechanism or currency that Iran is using to charge vessels.

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Posts about flagging, locking, sock puppets, etc. are more meaningful than anything Trump has to say. His words are meaningless.

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Hasn't Iran already closed the Straits and started charging fees?

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What fee collecting mechanism is Iran supposedly using?

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The same one that they are talking to Oman about instituting. Didn't the administration say that there should be no fees charged, and yet they say they are going to charge 20%. What fee collecting mechanism are they going to use? Isn't that illegal? So Iran can't charge fees but we can? Per the Insurance Journal, Iran started charging ad hoc fees for going through the Straits as of March 25, 2026. The IR wants to formalize the charges but, as of now they are being charged on a case by case basis. The mechanism and currency they are using to pay the $2 million per vessel is unknown at this time but, some vessels have made the payment.

When you find out the mechanism they are using please post and let me know and I will surely do the same.

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I haven't argued in favor of the fees by the US.

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I didn't say you did, you asked what mechanism is Iran using and I answered. Not sure why you think I asked you if you were in favor of the U.S. charging fees. Nobody knows the mechanism or currency that Iran is using to charge vessels.

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You seem to be arguing with yourself again so I'm going to leave you to it.

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Posts about flagging, locking, sock puppets, etc. are more meaningful than anything Trump has to say. His words are meaningless.

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Hasn't Iran already closed the Straits and started charging fees?

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What fee collecting mechanism is Iran supposedly using?

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The same one that they are talking to Oman about instituting. Didn't the administration say that there should be no fees charged, and yet they say they are going to charge 20%. What fee collecting mechanism are they going to use? Isn't that illegal? So Iran can't charge fees but we can? Per the Insurance Journal, Iran started charging ad hoc fees for going through the Straits as of March 25, 2026. The IR wants to formalize the charges but, as of now they are being charged on a case by case basis. The mechanism and currency they are using to pay the $2 million per vessel is unknown at this time but, some vessels have made the payment.

When you find out the mechanism they are using please post and let me know and I will surely do the same.

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I haven't argued in favor of the fees by the US.

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I didn't say you did, you asked what mechanism is Iran using and I answered. Not sure why you think I asked you if you were in favor of the U.S. charging fees. Nobody knows the mechanism or currency that Iran is using to charge vessels.

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You seem to be arguing with yourself again so I'm going to leave you to it.

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I think you may have it the other way around. Again, you asked and I answered. This is becoming a habit. Have a blessed evening.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Do you think providing shipping protection is free? Should it be free? I mean a lot of these nations were paying off Iran to travel thru the Straight already..we know the UK was doing it. I mean they can pay nothing and go thru, they just won't have protection

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Posts about flagging, locking, sock puppets, etc. are more meaningful than anything Trump has to say. His words are meaningless.

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Hasn't Iran already closed the Straits and started charging fees?

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What fee collecting mechanism is Iran supposedly using?

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Posts about flagging, locking, sock puppets, etc. are more meaningful than anything Trump has to say. His words are meaningless.

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Hasn't Iran already closed the Straits and started charging fees?

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What fee collecting mechanism is Iran supposedly using?

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Posts about flagging, locking, sock puppets, etc. are more meaningful than anything Trump has to say. His words are meaningless.

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Hasn't Iran already closed the Straits and started charging fees?

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What fee collecting mechanism is Iran supposedly using?

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The same one that they are talking to Oman about instituting. Didn't the administration say that there should be no fees charged, and yet they say they are going to charge 20%. What fee collecting mechanism are they going to use? Isn't that illegal? So Iran can't charge fees but we can? Per the Insurance Journal, Iran started charging ad hoc fees for going through the Straits as of March 25, 2026. The IR wants to formalize the charges but, as of now they are being charged on a case by case basis. The mechanism and currency they are using to pay the $2 million per vessel is unknown at this time but, some vessels have made the payment.

When you find out the mechanism they are using please post and let me know and I will surely do the same.

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I haven't argued in favor of the fees by the US.

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I didn't say you did, you asked what mechanism is Iran using and I answered. Not sure why you think I asked you if you were in favor of the U.S. charging fees. Nobody knows the mechanism or currency that Iran is using to charge vessels.

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You seem to be arguing with yourself again so I'm going to leave you to it.

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I think you may have it the other way around. Again, you asked and I answered. This is becoming a habit. Have a blessed evening.

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I see you came back and edited it from "okay" Still arguing with yourself.

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I interrupt the all-important discussions on flagging, locking, ignoring and sock puppets (other threads) to note that President Trump said he plans on taking over the Strait of Hormuz and charging ships 20% (of the value of their cargo?) to pass through.

Where he thinks he has the right to do this, I'll never know. Maybe he got the authority from the President of FIFA.

Anyway, we seem to be back to square one, as we have already started to bomb the crap out of Iran again.

Good times. /s

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Posts about flagging, locking, sock puppets, etc. are more meaningful than anything Trump has to say. His words are meaningless.

---

Hasn't Iran already closed the Straits and started charging fees?

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What fee collecting mechanism is Iran supposedly using?

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The same one that they are talking to Oman about instituting. Didn't the administration say that there should be no fees charged, and yet they say they are going to charge 20%. What fee collecting mechanism are they going to use? Isn't that illegal? So Iran can't charge fees but we can? Per the Insurance Journal, Iran started charging ad hoc fees for going through the Straits as of March 25, 2026. The IR wants to formalize the charges but, as of now they are being charged on a case by case basis. The mechanism and currency they are using to pay the $2 million per vessel is unknown at this time but, some vessels have made the payment.

When you find out the mechanism they are using please post and let me know and I will surely do the same.

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I haven't argued in favor of the fees by the US.

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I didn't say you did, you asked what mechanism is Iran using and I answered. Not sure why you think I asked you if you were in favor of the U.S. charging fees. Nobody knows the mechanism or currency that Iran is using to charge vessels.

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You seem to be arguing with yourself again so I'm going to leave you to it.

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I think you may have it the other way around. Again, you asked and I answered. This is becoming a habit. Have a blessed evening.

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I see you came back and edited it from "okay" Still arguing with yourself.

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Here I thought you were leaving it to me but you couldn't help yourself. Please respond some more, I enjoy the discourse.

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bearister said:

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"Oil's top players are building their way around the Strait of Hormuz instead of waiting for the fight to end, Axios' Emily Peck writes.

Why it matters: Countries and companies are racing to move oil and gas out of the region without passing through the strait, the world's most important and vulnerable energy chokepoint.

Zoom in: Goldman Sachs analysts identified seven pipeline and infrastructure projects (under construction, planned or deemed feasible) that would allow oil to bypass the strait entirely.

The analysts found that new pipelines under construction or in the works could carry enough oil to replace more than 45% of what Gulf producers used to ship through the strait by the end of next year.

By the end of 2028, the number rises to more than 60%.

Between the lines: These projects could come together fast. Goldman found that similar pipelines have historically taken a median of 2 years to build and even quicker when built in response to a supply crisis."
Axios

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24 hours after proposing it, President Trump drops his demand for a 20% toll for cargo going through the Strait of Hormuz. Instead, he says, "Based on highly productive conversations with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee…

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) July 14, 2026

chazzed said:

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All of his mind-changes must make it exhausting for those who defend his incompetence 24/7.

'"24 hours after proposing it, President Trump drops his demand for a 20% toll for cargo going through the Strait of Hormuz. Instead, he says, "Based on highly productive conversations with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee with Trade and Investment Deals that the various Gulf States will be making into the United States."'

24 hours after proposing it, President Trump drops his demand for a 20% toll for cargo going through the Strait of Hormuz. Instead, he says, "Based on highly productive conversations with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee…

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) July 14, 2026

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dajo9 said:

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chazzed said:

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All of his mind-changes must make it exhausting for those who defend his incompetence 24/7.

'"24 hours after proposing it, President Trump drops his demand for a 20% toll for cargo going through the Strait of Hormuz. Instead, he says, "Based on highly productive conversations with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee with Trade and Investment Deals that the various Gulf States will be making into the United States."'

24 hours after proposing it, President Trump drops his demand for a 20% toll for cargo going through the Strait of Hormuz. Instead, he says, "Based on highly productive conversations with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee…

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) July 14, 2026

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It's not exhausting at all to just agree with whatever Dear Leader says no matter how contradictory. Actual thought is exhausting.

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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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chazzed said:

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All of his mind-changes must make it exhausting for those who defend his incompetence 24/7.

'"24 hours after proposing it, President Trump drops his demand for a 20% toll for cargo going through the Strait of Hormuz. Instead, he says, "Based on highly productive conversations with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee with Trade and Investment Deals that the various Gulf States will be making into the United States."'

24 hours after proposing it, President Trump drops his demand for a 20% toll for cargo going through the Strait of Hormuz. Instead, he says, "Based on highly productive conversations with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee…

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) July 14, 2026

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It's not exhausting at all to just agree with whatever Dear Leader says no matter how contradictory. Actual thought is exhausting.

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Where did Trump change course on this besides how payment would happen?

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dajo9 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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chazzed said:

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All of his mind-changes must make it exhausting for those who defend his incompetence 24/7.

'"24 hours after proposing it, President Trump drops his demand for a 20% toll for cargo going through the Strait of Hormuz. Instead, he says, "Based on highly productive conversations with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee with Trade and Investment Deals that the various Gulf States will be making into the United States."'

24 hours after proposing it, President Trump drops his demand for a 20% toll for cargo going through the Strait of Hormuz. Instead, he says, "Based on highly productive conversations with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee…

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) July 14, 2026

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It's not exhausting at all to just agree with whatever Dear Leader says no matter how contradictory. Actual thought is exhausting.

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Where did Trump change course on this besides how payment would happen?

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You're right. My bad. Trump has never changed course on anything.

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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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chazzed said:

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All of his mind-changes must make it exhausting for those who defend his incompetence 24/7.

'"24 hours after proposing it, President Trump drops his demand for a 20% toll for cargo going through the Strait of Hormuz. Instead, he says, "Based on highly productive conversations with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee with Trade and Investment Deals that the various Gulf States will be making into the United States."'

24 hours after proposing it, President Trump drops his demand for a 20% toll for cargo going through the Strait of Hormuz. Instead, he says, "Based on highly productive conversations with Middle East leadership, I have decided to replace the 20% United States Reimbursement Fee…

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) July 14, 2026

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It's not exhausting at all to just agree with whatever Dear Leader says no matter how contradictory. Actual thought is exhausting.

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Where did Trump change course on this besides how payment would happen?

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You're right. My bad. Trump has never changed course on anything.

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I asked specifically on this event, from yesterday to today.

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