Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down.

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down. Iran knows darn well what our missile-and-ammo situation is. They know darn well that we don't want to send in ground forces. And, unfortunately for the Iranian people, their government doesn't give a s*** about them, so if we bomb them some more, they could give a crap.

Nobody with any credibility whatsoever -- left, right, doesn't matter -- thinks this is going well for the US. We're just "lucky" it's happening thousands of miles from our borders (but that will change when they send some terrorists over here).

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It's not 90% shut down and they have lost their primary source of income. They are dead in the water and have absolutely not leverage over this situation. They know they are screwed economically and have no shot of any win in this war.

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down.

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You are correct.

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down. Iran knows darn well what our missile-and-ammo situation is. They know darn well that we don't want to send in ground forces. And, unfortunately for the Iranian people, their government doesn't give a s*** about them, so if we bomb them some more, they could give a crap.

Nobody with any credibility whatsoever -- left, right, doesn't matter -- thinks this is going well for the US. We're just "lucky" it's happening thousands of miles from our borders (but that will change when they send some terrorists over here).

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It's not 90% shut down and they have lost their primary source of income. They are dead in the water and have absolutely not leverage over this situation. They know they are screwed economically and have no shot of any win in this war.

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I'm not saying Iran is doing well; their military has been degraded and they have suffered major losses. Why, look at those two schools we took out! But it's an asymmetric war: the definitions of what constitutes winning and losing are different for them than it might be for us. It's like in Vietnam, when we thought we were winning based on body count, but North Vietnam thought winning was surviving to be able to fight another day.

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down.

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You are correct.

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Still incorrect as we have already been over this.

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down.

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You are correct.

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Still incorrect as we have already been over this.

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And you've been proven to be wrong.
6 ships a day vs 120 - 140 doesnt equal "open"

For some reason, you are unable to accept FACTS.

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down.

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You are correct.

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Still incorrect as we have already been over this.

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And you've been proven to be wrong.
6 ships a day vs 120 - 140 doesnt equal "open"

For some reason, you are unable to accept FACTS.

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Only proven when you ignore the other facts that are out there like you continue to do.

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down.

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You are correct.

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Still incorrect as we have already been over this.

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And you've been proven to be wrong.
6 ships a day vs 120 - 140 doesnt equal "open"

For some reason, you are unable to accept FACTS.

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Only proven when you ignore the other facts that are out there like you continue to do.

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You've offered no facts whatsoever.
Zero data points.

Unlike me.
6 ships per day vs 120 - 140 per day before the war.

That's a FACT.

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down.

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You are correct.

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Still incorrect as we have already been over this.

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And you've been proven to be wrong.
6 ships a day vs 120 - 140 doesnt equal "open"

For some reason, you are unable to accept FACTS.

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Only proven when you ignore the other facts that are out there like you continue to do.

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You've offered no facts whatsoever.
Zero data points.

Unlike me.
6 ships per day vs 120 - 140 per day before the war.

That's a FACT.

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It's not my fault you keep ignoring them. Moving on to a much more enriching convo like the one with Big C.

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down.

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You are correct.

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Still incorrect as we have already been over this.

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And you've been proven to be wrong.
6 ships a day vs 120 - 140 doesnt equal "open"

For some reason, you are unable to accept FACTS.

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Only proven when you ignore the other facts that are out there like you continue to do.

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You've offered no facts whatsoever.
Zero data points.

Unlike me.
6 ships per day vs 120 - 140 per day before the war.

That's a FACT.

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It's not my fault you keep ignoring them. Moving on to a much more enriching convo like the one with Big C.

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Youve offered zero FACTS.

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down.

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You are correct.

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Still incorrect as we have already been over this.

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And you've been proven to be wrong.
6 ships a day vs 120 - 140 doesnt equal "open"

For some reason, you are unable to accept FACTS.

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Only proven when you ignore the other facts that are out there like you continue to do.

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You've offered no facts whatsoever.
Zero data points.

Unlike me.
6 ships per day vs 120 - 140 per day before the war.

That's a FACT.

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It's not my fault you keep ignoring them. Moving on to a much more enriching convo like the one with Big C.

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Youve offered zero FACTS.

Im moving on. Youre not interested in discussing this in good faith. Cal88 is right.

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down. Iran knows darn well what our missile-and-ammo situation is. They know darn well that we don't want to send in ground forces. And, unfortunately for the Iranian people, their government doesn't give a s*** about them, so if we bomb them some more, they could give a crap.

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sycasey said:

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I fully encourage the Trump fans to go down swinging in defending the Iran War. This will play very well with the electorate.

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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I fully encourage the Trump fans to go down swinging in defending the Iran War. This will play very well with the electorate.

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Defending the war and speaking up against misinformation aren't the same thing.

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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I fully encourage the Trump fans to go down swinging in defending the Iran War. This will play very well with the electorate.

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Defending the war and speaking up against misinformation aren't the same thing.

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Keep it up!

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down.

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You are correct.

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Still incorrect as we have already been over this.

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And you've been proven to be wrong.
6 ships a day vs 120 - 140 doesnt equal "open"

For some reason, you are unable to accept FACTS.

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Only proven when you ignore the other facts that are out there like you continue to do.

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You've offered no facts whatsoever.
Zero data points.

Unlike me.
6 ships per day vs 120 - 140 per day before the war.

That's a FACT.

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It's not my fault you keep ignoring them. Moving on to a much more enriching convo like the one with Big C.

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Youve offered zero FACTS.

Im moving on. Youre not interested in discussing this in good faith. Cal88 is right.

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I like how you said you're moving on after I already said I was moving on. Classic move.

Please don't speak to me about good faith when you post the way that you do. As you can see, I'm more than willing to have a good faith discussion when it's with someone being civil like Big C.

What ever happened to that guy anyways?

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Iran has no leverage? The Strait of Hormuz is 90% shut down.

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You are correct.

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Still incorrect as we have already been over this.

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And you've been proven to be wrong.
6 ships a day vs 120 - 140 doesnt equal "open"

For some reason, you are unable to accept FACTS.

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Only proven when you ignore the other facts that are out there like you continue to do.

---

You've offered no facts whatsoever.
Zero data points.

Unlike me.
6 ships per day vs 120 - 140 per day before the war.

That's a FACT.

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It's not my fault you keep ignoring them. Moving on to a much more enriching convo like the one with Big C.

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Youve offered zero FACTS.

Im moving on. Youre not interested in discussing this in good faith. Cal88 is right.

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I like how you said you're moving on after I already said I was moving on. Classic move.

Please don't speak to me about good faith when you post the way that you do. As you can see, I'm more than willing to have a good faith discussion when it's with someone being civil like Big C.

What ever happened to that guy anyways?

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Personal and family responsibilities called me away.

I can't speak for you, but I suspect that many Republican types who are still saying they support this war would not be saying it if the President was a Democrat. Any chance this applies to you, as well? Please take a moment to reflect before answering. It is a normal tendency to back "your guy" instead of admitting he's wrong. I'm sure I have done that myself.

Who are some knowledgeable folks who don't seem totally partisan who are saying this war is going well for us?

There is only so much that can be done with bombing. We have learned this repeatedly. Do we, at some point, send in ground troops? Gosh, we're getting closer and closer to the mid-term elections.

I am no fan of Iran. Whatsoever. I'm guessing that about half their citizens can't stand their repressive regime, but are just laying low so they don't get jailed or killed by the IRG. However, I don't see us as winning too many "hearts and minds" over there lately.

This has been a terrible move by Trump from the very beginning. Done for little reason, with little forethought.

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DiabloWags said:

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5 ships passed through the Strait today.
Because it's OPEN.

lol



Hormuz Live Vessel Traffic & Crude Oil Prices | ShipFinder

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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5 ships passed through the Strait today.
Because it's OPEN.

lol



Hormuz Live Vessel Traffic & Crude Oil Prices | ShipFinder

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When you can track the night time crossings with our military guiding, let me know.

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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5 ships passed through the Strait today.
Because it's OPEN.

lol



Hormuz Live Vessel Traffic & Crude Oil Prices | ShipFinder

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When you can track the night time crossings with our military guiding, let me know.

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Let me know when you have an understanding of AIS data.
Thanks.

Vessel Traffic - Marine Cadastre | Marine Cadastre Hub

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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5 ships passed through the Strait today.
Because it's OPEN.

lol



Hormuz Live Vessel Traffic & Crude Oil Prices | ShipFinder

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When you can track the night time crossings with our military guiding, let me know.

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Let me know when you have an understanding of AIS data.
Thanks.

Vessel Traffic - Marine Cadastre | Marine Cadastre Hub

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Sigh, we've already been over this and transponders have been turned off at nights to create secret lanes of travel on the Oman side. Im moving on.

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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5 ships passed through the Strait today.
Because it's OPEN.

lol



Hormuz Live Vessel Traffic & Crude Oil Prices | ShipFinder

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When you can track the night time crossings with our military guiding, let me know.

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Let me know when you have an understanding of AIS data.
Thanks.

Vessel Traffic - Marine Cadastre | Marine Cadastre Hub

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Sigh, we've already been over this and transponders have been turned off at nights to create secret lanes of travel on the Oman side. Im moving on.

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No one is forcing you to reply to every single one of my posts.
If you don't agree, you can simply move on without comment.

Or put me on ignore.

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More sanctions probably indicating that military option is off the table but aimed mostly at third countries- China , etc. But why should they comply?

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• Access to dollars and U.S. banks: A foreign bank facilitating Iranian trade could lose access to the dollar-based financial system.
• Access to the American market: Companies must decide whether Iranian business is worth risking their much larger U.S. operations.
• Shipping and insurance: Sanctioned vessels can struggle to obtain insurance, financing, repairs, port access, and reputable crews.
• Security relationships: Countries such as the UAE depend heavily on U.S. weapons, intelligence, investment, and diplomatic support.
• Fear of future enforcement: Even before penalties are imposed, banks often "over-comply" because they do not want to become Washington's next example.

China probably won't fully comply simply because Washington asks. The United States would have to sanction major Chinese banks, ports, or state-owned energy companies to create genuinely powerful leverage. But that could provoke retaliation, disrupt trade and oil markets, and escalate the broader U.S. China confrontation.

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chazzed said:

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We've also made allies angry with us for doing damage to their energy security and economies. And we've radicalized more Iranians and other Middle Easterners. And we have wasted countless military resources and dollars that could have been used on health care and infrastructure here. But Republican presidents have to have their wars.

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chazzed said:

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We've also made allies angry with us for doing damage to their energy security and economies. And we've radicalized more Iranians and other Middle Easterners. And we have wasted countless military resources and dollars that could have been used on health care and infrastructure here. But Republican presidents have to have their wars.

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DiabloWags said:

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chazzed said:

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We've also made allies angry with us for doing damage to their energy security and economies. And we've radicalized more Iranians and other Middle Easterners. And we have wasted countless military resources and dollars that could have been used on health care and infrastructure here. But Republican presidents have to have their wars.

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We are no better off than we were 6-months ago.
The MOU is dead. There is no off ramp for Trump.







Umer Karim, a researcher at the University of Birmingham, said the problem is the goal posts have moved and progress will depend on one side caving to the other's interpretation of the deal.

"The old MOU is essentially dead in all aspects," he said. "The task of the mediators to have the two sides reach some sort of a compromise have become even more difficult in the current circumstances."

Iran Talks Sputter as Trump Spurns a Return to His June Deal - WSJ

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BearlySane88 said:

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chazzed said:

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We've also made allies angry with us for doing damage to their energy security and economies. And we've radicalized more Iranians and other Middle Easterners. And we have wasted countless military resources and dollars that could have been used on health care and infrastructure here. But Republican presidents have to have their wars.

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You're looking at this in a microcosm. The full impact of this won't be known for years but it's already starting to look like the right decision and a win for Trump.

Oh only Republican presidents like war? Kosovo, Syria and Libya are calling.

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The flow of crude through the Strait of Hormuz is creeping higher as producers across the Middle East boost exports in the face of Iran’s lingering threat to shipping https://t.co/NOQhZidadp

— Bloomberg (@business) August 27, 2026

BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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chazzed said:

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We've also made allies angry with us for doing damage to their energy security and economies. And we've radicalized more Iranians and other Middle Easterners. And we have wasted countless military resources and dollars that could have been used on health care and infrastructure here. But Republican presidents have to have their wars.

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We are no better off than we were 6-months ago.
The MOU is dead. There is no off ramp for Trump.







Umer Karim, a researcher at the University of Birmingham, said the problem is the goal posts have moved and progress will depend on one side caving to the other's interpretation of the deal.

"The old MOU is essentially dead in all aspects," he said. "The task of the mediators to have the two sides reach some sort of a compromise have become even more difficult in the current circumstances."

Iran Talks Sputter as Trump Spurns a Return to His June Deal - WSJ

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Iran is already caving, the walls are falling down around them. I love that Trump is "waiting" this out. Economic pressure will likely cause the last few dominoes to fall.

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