Big C said:

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We've also made allies angry with us for doing damage to their energy security and economies. And we've radicalized more Iranians and other Middle Easterners. And we have wasted countless military resources and dollars that could have been used on health care and infrastructure here. But Republican presidents have to have their wars.

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We are no better off than we were 6-months ago.
The MOU is dead. There is no off ramp for Trump.







Umer Karim, a researcher at the University of Birmingham, said the problem is the goal posts have moved and progress will depend on one side caving to the other's interpretation of the deal.

"The old MOU is essentially dead in all aspects," he said. "The task of the mediators to have the two sides reach some sort of a compromise have become even more difficult in the current circumstances."

Iran Talks Sputter as Trump Spurns a Return to His June Deal - WSJ

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Iran is already caving, the walls are falling down around them. I love that Trump is "waiting" this out. Economic pressure will likely cause the last few dominoes to fall.

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I love it, too!!! A lesser President than Donald J Trump would have tried to finish up this war at least a few months before the midterm elections. Fortunately, President Trump prioritizes "doing the right thing for the American people and the world" above petty political considerations! GOP lawmakers in swing districts need to understand this!

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oski003 said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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We've also made allies angry with us for doing damage to their energy security and economies. And we've radicalized more Iranians and other Middle Easterners. And we have wasted countless military resources and dollars that could have been used on health care and infrastructure here. But Republican presidents have to have their wars.

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We are no better off than we were 6-months ago.
The MOU is dead. There is no off ramp for Trump.







Umer Karim, a researcher at the University of Birmingham, said the problem is the goal posts have moved and progress will depend on one side caving to the other's interpretation of the deal.

"The old MOU is essentially dead in all aspects," he said. "The task of the mediators to have the two sides reach some sort of a compromise have become even more difficult in the current circumstances."

Iran Talks Sputter as Trump Spurns a Return to His June Deal - WSJ

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Iran is already caving, the walls are falling down around them. I love that Trump is "waiting" this out. Economic pressure will likely cause the last few dominoes to fall.

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I love it, too!!! A lesser President than Donald J Trump would have tried to finish up this war at least a few months before the midterm elections. Fortunately, President Trump prioritizes "doing the right thing for the American people and the world" above petty political considerations! GOP lawmakers in swing districts need to understand this!

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He definitely isn't TACOing.

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dajo9 said:

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oski003 said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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We've also made allies angry with us for doing damage to their energy security and economies. And we've radicalized more Iranians and other Middle Easterners. And we have wasted countless military resources and dollars that could have been used on health care and infrastructure here. But Republican presidents have to have their wars.

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We are no better off than we were 6-months ago.
The MOU is dead. There is no off ramp for Trump.







Umer Karim, a researcher at the University of Birmingham, said the problem is the goal posts have moved and progress will depend on one side caving to the other's interpretation of the deal.

"The old MOU is essentially dead in all aspects," he said. "The task of the mediators to have the two sides reach some sort of a compromise have become even more difficult in the current circumstances."

Iran Talks Sputter as Trump Spurns a Return to His June Deal - WSJ

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Iran is already caving, the walls are falling down around them. I love that Trump is "waiting" this out. Economic pressure will likely cause the last few dominoes to fall.

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I love it, too!!! A lesser President than Donald J Trump would have tried to finish up this war at least a few months before the midterm elections. Fortunately, President Trump prioritizes "doing the right thing for the American people and the world" above petty political considerations! GOP lawmakers in swing districts need to understand this!

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He definitely isn't TACOing.

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Trump Taco's all the time. Bluster and then nothing.

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This war has been very costly for Iran... but they ain't givin' up because they pretty much have us over a barrel (of oil!).

What's the latest, Trump wants to try the-mother-of-all-international-sanctions against Iran? Oops, he has pretty much alienated most of our allies. They're unlikely to do what he suggests now, why should they? They're getting a good chuckle out of this, lately, no doubt. At our expense.

We're low on ammo/missiles and fresh out of ideas. No end in sight. And Trump's bored of the whole mess.

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Iran has absolutely no leverage. They do not have us over a barrel. Trump's not bored, he's out waiting Iran which is exactly why Iran has no leverage.

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Oil flows through the Strait of Hormuz have recovered to around two-thirds of pre-war levels, limiting the Iran war’s impact on global crude prices, according to Goldman Sachs https://t.co/HB0bmMGHEW

— Bloomberg (@business) August 28, 2026

According to CENTCOM, U.S. forces have escorted 750 million barrels of crude through the Hormuz.

Operation Project Freedom began 116 days ago, averaging nearly 6.5 million barrels per day.

Some days near 0, and some days 15- 20 million barrels.

Although it’s not perfect, the…

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) August 28, 2026

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MTG has no clue what's going on. This is really funny that she claims to know anything that's happening. Even funnier that people believe it

As someone who carried the nuclear football, this is the most insane, irresponsible thing I’ve ever seen a “public political official” post on social media.

— Buzz Patterson (@BuzzPatterson) August 16, 2026

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And here is Marjorie Taylor Greene saying she doesn't have the list of Epstein Client names that her and Massie threatened to read almost a year ago...

Keep in mind they fundraised off of this nonsense too.

You can NOT make this up! https://t.co/ogZ5JfV7Cc

— Shawn Farash (@Shawn_Farash) August 27, 2026

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MTG has no clue what's going on. This is really funny that she claims to know anything that's happening. Even funnier that people believe it

As someone who carried the nuclear football, this is the most insane, irresponsible thing I’ve ever seen a “public political official” post on social media.

— Buzz Patterson (@BuzzPatterson) August 16, 2026

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No. MTG's comments are accurate. The Trump administration has been discussing the use of tactical nuclear weapons in Iran, because that's the only way for either the U.S. or Israel to defeat Iran militarily.

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Zero leverage for Iran. They are crumbling.

Oil flows through the Strait of Hormuz have recovered to around two-thirds of pre-war levels, limiting the Iran war’s impact on global crude prices, according to Goldman Sachs https://t.co/HB0bmMGHEW

— Bloomberg (@business) August 28, 2026

According to CENTCOM, U.S. forces have escorted 750 million barrels of crude through the Hormuz.

Operation Project Freedom began 116 days ago, averaging nearly 6.5 million barrels per day.

Some days near 0, and some days 15- 20 million barrels.

Although it’s not perfect, the…

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) August 28, 2026

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Zero leverage for Iran. They are crumbling.

According to CENTCOM, U.S. forces have escorted 750 million barrels of crude through the Hormuz.

Operation Project Freedom began 116 days ago, averaging nearly 6.5 million barrels per day.

Some days near 0, and some days 15- 20 million barrels.

Although it’s not perfect, the…

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) August 28, 2026

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Pre-war average oil traffic through the Strait of Hormuz was 17M barrels per day, so an average daily traffic of 6.5Mbpd is only about 38% of normal, hardly something that should be trumpeted as a success.

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Before the war, an average of about 100 ships (roughly 95 to 100 vessels) passed through the Strait of Hormuz each day, carrying roughly one-fifth (about 20%) of the world's petroleum and liquefied natural gas exports. More than half of this pre-war daily traffic consisted of oil tankers, moving around 17 million barrels of crude oil per day from Gulf producers. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

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Some of the oil has been shipped through pipelines to the Red Sea and Indian Ocean terminals, but not nearly enough to compensate for the 62% daily deficit accumulated over the last several months.

Oil prices have been kept below $100 through intensive drawings from the SPR and through the manipulation of the oil futures markets, but that is not a sustainable proposition.

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Zero leverage for Iran. They are crumbling.

According to CENTCOM, U.S. forces have escorted 750 million barrels of crude through the Hormuz.

Operation Project Freedom began 116 days ago, averaging nearly 6.5 million barrels per day.

Some days near 0, and some days 15- 20 million barrels.

Although it’s not perfect, the…

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) August 28, 2026

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Pre-war average oil traffic through the Strait of Hormuz was 17M barrels per day, so an average daily traffic of 6.5Mbpd is only about 38% of normal, hardly something that should be trumpeted as a success.

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Before the war, an average of about 100 ships (roughly 95 to 100 vessels) passed through the Strait of Hormuz each day, carrying roughly one-fifth (about 20%) of the world's petroleum and liquefied natural gas exports. More than half of this pre-war daily traffic consisted of oil tankers, moving around 17 million barrels of crude oil per day from Gulf producers. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

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Some of the oil has been shipped through pipelines to the Red Sea and Indian Ocean terminals, but not nearly enough to compensate for the 62% daily deficit accumulated over the last several months.

Oil prices have been kept below $100 through intensive drawings from the SPR and through the manipulation of the oil futures markets, but that is not a sustainable proposition.

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Zero leverage for Iran. They are crumbling.

According to CENTCOM, U.S. forces have escorted 750 million barrels of crude through the Hormuz.

Operation Project Freedom began 116 days ago, averaging nearly 6.5 million barrels per day.

Some days near 0, and some days 15- 20 million barrels.

Although it’s not perfect, the…

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) August 28, 2026

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Pre-war average oil traffic through the Strait of Hormuz was 17M barrels per day, so an average daily traffic of 6.5Mbpd is only about 38% of normal, hardly something that should be trumpeted as a success.

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Before the war, an average of about 100 ships (roughly 95 to 100 vessels) passed through the Strait of Hormuz each day, carrying roughly one-fifth (about 20%) of the world's petroleum and liquefied natural gas exports. More than half of this pre-war daily traffic consisted of oil tankers, moving around 17 million barrels of crude oil per day from Gulf producers. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

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Some of the oil has been shipped through pipelines to the Red Sea and Indian Ocean terminals, but not nearly enough to compensate for the 62% daily deficit accumulated over the last several months.

Oil prices have been kept below $100 through intensive drawings from the SPR and through the manipulation of the oil futures markets, but that is not a sustainable proposition.

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But we've been told over and over again that Iran has control of the Strait…. Keep watching the numbers grow. We've recently found out that most of the "mines" laid by Iran weren't even mines or activated correctly. Iran is all smoke and mirrors but they are being revealed to be just like the Wizard of Oz, a fraud.

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That is not a serious assessment. They have an arsenal of thousands of accurate missiles and drones.

Perhaps they might have been restrained in going all out and shutting all traffic by one of their main sponsors, China. We'll have some answers in September.

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Zero leverage for Iran. They are crumbling.

According to CENTCOM, U.S. forces have escorted 750 million barrels of crude through the Hormuz.

Operation Project Freedom began 116 days ago, averaging nearly 6.5 million barrels per day.

Some days near 0, and some days 15- 20 million barrels.

Although it’s not perfect, the…

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) August 28, 2026

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Pre-war average oil traffic through the Strait of Hormuz was 17M barrels per day, so an average daily traffic of 6.5Mbpd is only about 38% of normal, hardly something that should be trumpeted as a success.

Quote:

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Before the war, an average of about 100 ships (roughly 95 to 100 vessels) passed through the Strait of Hormuz each day, carrying roughly one-fifth (about 20%) of the world's petroleum and liquefied natural gas exports. More than half of this pre-war daily traffic consisted of oil tankers, moving around 17 million barrels of crude oil per day from Gulf producers. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

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Some of the oil has been shipped through pipelines to the Red Sea and Indian Ocean terminals, but not nearly enough to compensate for the 62% daily deficit accumulated over the last several months.

Oil prices have been kept below $100 through intensive drawings from the SPR and through the manipulation of the oil futures markets, but that is not a sustainable proposition.

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But we've been told over and over again that Iran has control of the Strait…. Keep watching the numbers grow. We've recently found out that most of the "mines" laid by Iran weren't even mines or activated correctly. Iran is all smoke and mirrors but they are being revealed to be just like the Wizard of Oz, a fraud.

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That is not a serious assessment. They have an arsenal of thousands of accurate missiles and drones.

Perhaps they might have been restrained in going all out and shutting all traffic by one of their main sponsors, China. We'll have some answers in September.

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That's what was said in June. And July. And August.

Multiple posters here said Trump would be surrendering at the beginning of the summer. Then the middle of summer. Then the end of summer.

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dajo9 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Zero leverage for Iran. They are crumbling.

According to CENTCOM, U.S. forces have escorted 750 million barrels of crude through the Hormuz.

Operation Project Freedom began 116 days ago, averaging nearly 6.5 million barrels per day.

Some days near 0, and some days 15- 20 million barrels.

Although it’s not perfect, the…

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) August 28, 2026

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Pre-war average oil traffic through the Strait of Hormuz was 17M barrels per day, so an average daily traffic of 6.5Mbpd is only about 38% of normal, hardly something that should be trumpeted as a success.

Quote:

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Before the war, an average of about 100 ships (roughly 95 to 100 vessels) passed through the Strait of Hormuz each day, carrying roughly one-fifth (about 20%) of the world's petroleum and liquefied natural gas exports. More than half of this pre-war daily traffic consisted of oil tankers, moving around 17 million barrels of crude oil per day from Gulf producers. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

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Some of the oil has been shipped through pipelines to the Red Sea and Indian Ocean terminals, but not nearly enough to compensate for the 62% daily deficit accumulated over the last several months.

Oil prices have been kept below $100 through intensive drawings from the SPR and through the manipulation of the oil futures markets, but that is not a sustainable proposition.

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But we've been told over and over again that Iran has control of the Strait…. Keep watching the numbers grow. We've recently found out that most of the "mines" laid by Iran weren't even mines or activated correctly. Iran is all smoke and mirrors but they are being revealed to be just like the Wizard of Oz, a fraud.

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That is not a serious assessment. They have an arsenal of thousands of accurate missiles and drones.

Perhaps they might have been restrained in going all out and shutting all traffic by one of their main sponsors, China. We'll have some answers in September.

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That's what was said in June. And July. And August.

Multiple posters here said Trump would be surrendering at the beginning of the summer. Then the middle of summer. Then the end of summer.

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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dajo9 said:

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It's a cult

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dajo9 said:

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It's a cult

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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It's a cult

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The feeling goes both ways.

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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dajo9 said:

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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Unconditional surrender used to be an official objective. What happened to that?

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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Unconditional surrender used to be an official objective. What happened to that?

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What do you think Trump is waiting for?

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

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sycasey said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

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Trump definitely talked about it, but it's an open question which of his ramblings count as "official policy."

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DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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TrumpBear said:

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dajo9 said:

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In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

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He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

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And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

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You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

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I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.




Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News


Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

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Trump definitely talked about it, but it's an open question which of his ramblings count as "official policy."

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He's repeatedly moved the goalposts and your guess is as good as anyone's as to which one of his RAMBLINGS on Truth Social count as "official" policy.

This is what he said on April 1st.
As opposed to what a previous poster claimed he said in his first public press conference on Iran on March 3rd.

"We've had regime change," Trump said. "If you look already because the one regime was decimated, destroyed. They're all dead. The next regime is mostly dead. And the third regime, we're dealing with different people than anybody's dealt with before. It's a whole different group of people. So I would consider that regime change."

Trump Seems to Embrace 'Regime Change' in Iran

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