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In reply to sycasey • 9:47p, 8/30/26
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oski003, let's cut to the chase: Are you generally in favor of what President Trump has done in Iran this year? And what should we do now, going forward?

I believe I've made my position clear: I'm not really against seeing their military capabilities degraded, but everything about what we've done there has been one blunder after another.

I return to my Iraq comparison: yes, the world was probably better off without Saddam Hussein, but no, taking him out was not worth the cost.

Iran right now is a very similar situation.

Compare it to Iraq, to Vietnam, to whatever. It's the same old story. We attack another country without sufficient cause, then we get caught in a quagmire there because we don't want to leave with our tails between our legs.

We inflict significant damage to the other country, but they're still more motivated to hang in there because it's happening in their own country and people there, who might not have hated us before, hate us now because we're attacking them.

There were a few decades when it seemed we had learned our lesson from Vietnam, but we apparently have a short memory.
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In reply to Big C • 10:03p, 8/30/26
Agreed 100%

And one cant help but notice that the people who continue to support Trump's "little excursion" have little idea what an offramp looks like.

That, in and of itself is quite telling in my opinion.

They just keep talking about military degradation.

And have little confidence in achieving Trump's stated "original" goals from back in March.
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7:59a, 8/31/26
Trump has now resorted to posting Ai slop videos of attacks that never happened.
Is this what a stable genius does?

PS. There has been no attack on Kharg Island as the President depicted.








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8:01a, 8/31/26




Hegseth rocked by secret Pentagon revolt as generals break ranks on Iran war with chilling US homeland warning and Trump shares chilling 'bombing' video | Daily Mail Online
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In reply to dajo9 • 11:34a, 8/31/26
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
Big C said:

oski003, let's cut to the chase: Are you generally in favor of what President Trump has done in Iran this year? And what should we do now, going forward?

I believe I've made my position clear: I'm not really against seeing their military capabilities degraded, but everything about what we've done there has been one blunder after another.


Generally not in favor of the war. Unfortunately, we need to press on as we are until Iran gives in whether by our pressure or other international pressure.


These are the people who tell you they are against forever wars but have supported every forever war and got upset when a forever war was ended.

Hilarious stuff coming from one of the biggest Ukraine proxy war supporters.
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In reply to Big C • 11:43a, 8/31/26
Big C said:
sycasey said:
Big C said:

oski003, let's cut to the chase: Are you generally in favor of what President Trump has done in Iran this year? And what should we do now, going forward?

I believe I've made my position clear: I'm not really against seeing their military capabilities degraded, but everything about what we've done there has been one blunder after another.

I return to my Iraq comparison: yes, the world was probably better off without Saddam Hussein, but no, taking him out was not worth the cost.

Iran right now is a very similar situation.

Compare it to Iraq, to Vietnam, to whatever. It's the same old story. We attack another country without sufficient cause, then we get caught in a quagmire there because we don't want to leave with our tails between our legs.

We inflict significant damage to the other country, but they're still more motivated to hang in there because it's happening in their own country and people there, who might not have hated us before, hate us now because we're attacking them.

There were a few decades when it seemed we had learned our lesson from Vietnam, but we apparently have a short memory.

The problem is that the people who push for these wars never get shamed out of public life. All the people that pushed hardest for the Iraq war are still around today pushing for all the current wars.
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12:33p, 8/31/26
The architects of the Iraq War are long gone.
The only talking head who still shows up every now and then on TV is John Bolton.

Paul Bremer
Stephen Cambone
Eliot Cohen
Doug Feith
Scooter Libby
Richard Pearle
Meghan O'Sullivan
Randy Scheunemann
Jim Wilkinson
Paul Wolfowitz




Paul Bremer, June 2004






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12:36p, 8/31/26
This guy is not unique - he's just one of the few willing to say something this stupid in public

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12:42p, 8/31/26
A pro-Israel neocon journalist and opinion columnist at the NY Times.



Bret Stephens - Wikipedia

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1:11p, 8/31/26
On a dark desrt highway, cool wind in Don's hair....

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2:01p, 8/31/26
Trust is shifting.

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In reply to Cal88 • 2:19p, 8/31/26
Cal88 said:
On a dark desrt highway, cool wind in Don's hair....



Great analogy.
And it FITS!




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5:50p, 8/31/26
Interesting view into the minds of Iranian's in country. They openly reject what has been pushed onto them for years.

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7:32p, 8/31/26
International Law never really existed, but it especially doesn't exist now

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In reply to brobear • 10:41a, 9/1/26
brobear said:
DiabloWags said:
dajo9 said:
They keep telling us we've basically won the war and Iran is desperate to make a deal but now Iran is issuing demands that America follow the MOU that Trump signed in June. Curious.


Mark my words...

Trump will be signing what is essentially a "surrender" to IRAN in order to get the Strait of Hormuz open.
The offramp is coming soon. - - - Just look for the clown car.

No unconditional surrender
No regime change
No nuclear deal.

You heard it here first.




worst prediction yet and there have been many


And yet the "little excursion" has now gone on for six months now.
What is the "offramp" that you see for the United States getting out of Iran?

Please be specific and realistic.

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In reply to DiabloWags • 10:53a, 9/1/26
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What is the "offramp" that you see for the United States getting out of Iran?

as a wild guess i predict a president after T will get us out
# train wreck # we should live so long # funk trunk
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11:02a, 9/1/26
Back to the topic at hand instead of people's petty back and forths

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In reply to Aunburdened • 11:26a, 9/1/26

Old news.

The U.S. started attacking Iran on Sunday, August 30th.

US forces strike Iranian rocket launchers on the Strait of Hormuz | AP News
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2:51p, 9/1/26
One good thing...

Trump's successor, doesn't matter which party, should be able to reverse a lot of the international damage just by saying that was all Trump. A one-off. Let's start with a clean slate.

One bad thing:

Presidents from both parties have caused plenty of damage of their own, so no guarantee that "48" will be better.
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In reply to Big C • 3:31p, 9/1/26
Big C said:
One good thing...

Trump's successor, doesn't matter which party, should be able to reverse a lot of the international damage just by saying that was all Trump. A one-off. Let's start with a clean slate.

One bad thing:

Presidents from both parties have caused plenty of damage of their own, so no guarantee that "48" will be better.


The Congress people that Jeffries has just put in charge of the Dem foreign policy are 100% pro war, pro Israel and fully aligned with Trump's policies.



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In reply to Cal88 • 6:17p, 9/1/26

^ Who are some specific Dems who have said they are in favor of this war? (I'm not trying to say there aren't any, but I want names.) My assumption about Jeffries was always that he had a lot of Jewish voters in his district and so was pro-Israel.

Heck, I am pro-Israel, but I'm very much against their current government

When I wrote my Representative and Senators after the war with Iran started, I thought Alex Padilla was sort of trying to stake out a middle ground with his reply, which I didn't appreciate.
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In reply to Big C • 6:27p, 9/1/26
It's a pretty long list unfortunately...

https://www.trackaipac.com/shame
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8:40p, 9/1/26
The USS Abraham Lincoln has taken port in Thailand.
Laem Chabang, Thailand.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 9:01p, 9/1/26
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The USS Abraham Lincoln has taken port in Thailand.
Laem Chabang, Thailand.


Thailand issues prostitution warning as USS Abraham Lincoln docks in tourist town after 200 days at sea | The Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/uss-abraham-lincoln-pattaya-prostitution-thailand-b3042016.html
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:06p, 9/1/26
Cal88 said:
It's a pretty long list unfortunately...

https://www.trackaipac.com/shame

Who's come out as supporting Trump's war?

"If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women and still vote against their bill the next day, you don't belong in politics." - Jesse Unruh
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In reply to Big C • 6:34a, 9/2/26
Big C said:
Cal88 said:
It's a pretty long list unfortunately...

https://www.trackaipac.com/shame

Who's come out as supporting Trump's war?

"If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women and still vote against their bill the next day, you don't belong in politics." - Jesse Unruh


The endorsement of this war is mostly tacit, with very little real opposition. At the very least, all these Democrats actively support the war:



Meanwhile,

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In reply to bearister • 6:41a, 9/2/26
bearister said:
DiabloWags said:
The USS Abraham Lincoln has taken port in Thailand.
Laem Chabang, Thailand.


Thailand issues prostitution warning as USS Abraham Lincoln docks in tourist town after 200 days at sea | The Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/uss-abraham-lincoln-pattaya-prostitution-thailand-b3042016.html
I would expect many film crews and "journalists" to greet them and provide us with much content
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In reply to bearister • 6:50a, 9/2/26
bearister said:
DiabloWags said:
The USS Abraham Lincoln has taken port in Thailand.
Laem Chabang, Thailand.


Thailand issues prostitution warning as USS Abraham Lincoln docks in tourist town after 200 days at sea | The Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/uss-abraham-lincoln-pattaya-prostitution-thailand-b3042016.html


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In reply to Cal88 • 6:56a, 9/2/26
You're stating that as fact. There are conflicting reports with many saying it was Iran that hit the wedding. The fragments were presented through Iranian media, so their location and chain of custody aren't independently established.

No confirmation either way and it wouldn't surprise me if we did hit the wedding, a comms facility was also hit nearby.
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In reply to TrumpBear • 6:59a, 9/2/26
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You're stating that as fact. There are conflicting reports with many saying it was Iran that hit the wedding.

Those were the same arguments that were used for the bombing of the girl school at the beginning of the last war.
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In reply to Cal88 • 7:00a
Cal88 said:
TrumpBear said:
You're stating that as fact. There are conflicting reports with many saying it was Iran that hit the wedding.

Those were the same arguments that were used for the bombing of the girl school at the beginning of the last war.

See my above edit. I'm not denying it happened but this also hasn't been proven to be what you're claiming it to be.
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In reply to oski003 • 7:42a
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
I recall that one of Trump's biggest supporters gave Trump a "5" on a Scale of 1 - 10 when I asked how confident they were in Trump achieving his stated objectives in Iran.

Doesn't sound like a good reason to continue to me.


Like many things, you misremember what I rated a 5, and the premise of your logic is once again false. Please do better.


My memory is exceptionally accurate.
The TRUTH will set you free.

From May 28th.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2698644




Yeah, I still give it a 5 that he will NEGOTIATE the opening of the Strait of Hormutz AND DESTROY all of Iran's uranium and their nuclear capability. Maybe even less than a 5. Actually, I give that a 3 that we will accomplish diablo's version of Trump's objectives.


After three months, it doesn't sound like you are all that confident with your "5".
Thanks for the update!
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7:49a
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Iran launched a wave of attacks on US sites across the Middle East on Wednesday as violence surged after an extensive American bombardment and the deaths of four people at an Iranian wedding party.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards announced attacks on US bases in Jordan, the UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain and Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan region, in the six-month conflict's heaviest exchange in weeks.

The renewed attacks deepen the impasse in the war, as Iran maintains a stranglehold on the Strait of Hormuz oil export route while the US presses a counter-blockade of Iranian ports.

In the latest strikes, the Iranian Red Crescent said on Tuesday that four people including a child were killed and more than 50 people were wounded by a US attack at a wedding in Iran's south.

A video shared by an Iranian government account showed debris and damage at what it said was the wedding site in Sirik following a US strike, with people heard screaming in the background.

"Unfortunately, this is a residential building. And unfortunately, this happened during my daughter's wedding ceremony," Ali Mallahi, father of the bride and owner of the building, said in a video carried by state TV.

Iran attacks US sites after American strikes, wedding deaths
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In reply to DiabloWags • 8:12a
Any article that says Iran still has a stranglehold on the strait is not worth my time to read.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 8:14a
BearlySane88 said:
Any article that says Iran still has a stranglehold on the strait is not worth my time to read.


Also, why is Iran attacking sites that folks here claimed were already destroyed? Weird.
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