Graham Platner FTW

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In reply to sycasey • 10:41a, 7/18/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
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Economics is why the right wing Democrats had to smear Platner and get him out of the race


Not taking Ryan and Alex's opinions (no facts given on anything seriously

VOTE BLUE AND FREE WAGS

I bet that you would if they were published on MSNOW

Look man, you can say that Platner got smeared or whatever but if the smears are true then he was simply a bad candidate and this stuff was going to come out sooner or later. At least some of the fault is on him and the people who recruited him, yes?

Was he less than an ideal candidate? Yes. But if you look at how your Democrats are now smearing the other candidates who have the same platform, but don't have the same issues, you might realize it has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with economics.

What am I saying? Of course you wouldn't realize that. You have to constantly pretend that what's happening isn't.



Happy Roevember!
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In reply to Aunburdened • 10:52a, 7/18/26
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
SBGold said:
Aunburdened said:
Economics is why the right wing Democrats had to smear Platner and get him out of the race


Not taking Ryan and Alex's opinions (no facts given on anything seriously

VOTE BLUE AND FREE WAGS

I bet that you would if they were published on MSNOW

Look man, you can say that Platner got smeared or whatever but if the smears are true then he was simply a bad candidate and this stuff was going to come out sooner or later. At least some of the fault is on him and the people who recruited him, yes?

Was he less than an ideal candidate? Yes. But if you look at how your Democrats are now smearing the other candidates who have the same platform, but don't have the same issues, you might realize it has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with economics.

Every candidate has opponents and those opponents will use whatever they can to discredit them, including rape allegations. Good candidates either don't have those issues or are able to get out of ahead of them. There's a reason the smears against Mamdani didn't work.

I can see that this happens, but I also have a problem with folks on the far left who want to act like this is all just the establishment attacking them and that no mistakes were made on their end.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:58a, 7/18/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
SBGold said:
Aunburdened said:
Economics is why the right wing Democrats had to smear Platner and get him out of the race


Not taking Ryan and Alex's opinions (no facts given on anything seriously

VOTE BLUE AND FREE WAGS

I bet that you would if they were published on MSNOW

Look man, you can say that Platner got smeared or whatever but if the smears are true then he was simply a bad candidate and this stuff was going to come out sooner or later. At least some of the fault is on him and the people who recruited him, yes?

Was he less than an ideal candidate? Yes. But if you look at how your Democrats are now smearing the other candidates who have the same platform, but don't have the same issues, you might realize it has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with economics.

Every candidate has opponents and those opponents will use whatever they can to discredit them, including rape allegations. Good candidates either don't have those issues or are able to get out of ahead of them. There's a reason the smears against Mamdani didn't work.

I can see that this happens, but I also have a problem with folks on the far left who want to act like this is all just the establishment attacking them and that no mistakes were made on their end.

Cuomo vs Mamdani. Once in a Democratic primary and once as an independent.

Happy Roevember!
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In reply to sycasey • 11:14a, 7/18/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
SBGold said:
Aunburdened said:
Economics is why the right wing Democrats had to smear Platner and get him out of the race


Not taking Ryan and Alex's opinions (no facts given on anything seriously

VOTE BLUE AND FREE WAGS

I bet that you would if they were published on MSNOW

Look man, you can say that Platner got smeared or whatever but if the smears are true then he was simply a bad candidate and this stuff was going to come out sooner or later. At least some of the fault is on him and the people who recruited him, yes?

Was he less than an ideal candidate? Yes. But if you look at how your Democrats are now smearing the other candidates who have the same platform, but don't have the same issues, you might realize it has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with economics.

Every candidate has opponents and those opponents will use whatever they can to discredit them, including rape allegations. Good candidates either don't have those issues or are able to get out of ahead of them. There's a reason the smears against Mamdani didn't work.

I can see that this happens, but I also have a problem with folks on the far left who want to act like this is all just the establishment attacking them and that no mistakes were made on their end.

Have to agree with this. This is just the Dems screwing up another race they should win. They knew Biden had issues, and they simply ignored them and had their friendly media ignore them, and now here again they are forced to in appoint a late minute candidate to enter the race. The real contenders, are for the most part , those that lost in primaries, having displayed numerous vulnerabilities (the current Secretary of State at least didn't lose in the primary, though she has a thin resume). Collins is Republican in a blue state and should be vulnerable, but like Trump, is an able political strategist, and likely will win a race she should not, and the Democrats again are their own worse enemy.
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In reply to wifeisafurd • 11:16a, 7/18/26
wifeisafurd said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
SBGold said:
Aunburdened said:
Economics is why the right wing Democrats had to smear Platner and get him out of the race


Not taking Ryan and Alex's opinions (no facts given on anything seriously

VOTE BLUE AND FREE WAGS

I bet that you would if they were published on MSNOW

Look man, you can say that Platner got smeared or whatever but if the smears are true then he was simply a bad candidate and this stuff was going to come out sooner or later. At least some of the fault is on him and the people who recruited him, yes?

Was he less than an ideal candidate? Yes. But if you look at how your Democrats are now smearing the other candidates who have the same platform, but don't have the same issues, you might realize it has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with economics.

Every candidate has opponents and those opponents will use whatever they can to discredit them, including rape allegations. Good candidates either don't have those issues or are able to get out of ahead of them. There's a reason the smears against Mamdani didn't work.

I can see that this happens, but I also have a problem with folks on the far left who want to act like this is all just the establishment attacking them and that no mistakes were made on their end.

Have to agree with this. This is just the Dems screwing up another race they should win. They knew Biden had issues, and they simply ignored them and had their friendly media ignore them, and now here again they are forced to in appoint a late minute candidate to enter the race. The real contenders, are for the most part , those that lost in primaries, having displayed numerous vulnerabilities (the current Secretary of State at least didn't lose in the primary, though she has a thin resume). Collins is Republican in a blue state and should be vulnerable, but like Trump, is an able political strategist, and likely will win a race she should not, and the Democrats again are their own worse enemy.

The Dems screwed up the race by making Janet Mills the only alternative. If they ran two candidates with a popular economic platform, they could have won. Now they're gonna lose again.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 2:29p, 7/18/26
Aunburdened said:
wifeisafurd said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
SBGold said:
Aunburdened said:
Economics is why the right wing Democrats had to smear Platner and get him out of the race


Not taking Ryan and Alex's opinions (no facts given on anything seriously

VOTE BLUE AND FREE WAGS

I bet that you would if they were published on MSNOW

Look man, you can say that Platner got smeared or whatever but if the smears are true then he was simply a bad candidate and this stuff was going to come out sooner or later. At least some of the fault is on him and the people who recruited him, yes?

Was he less than an ideal candidate? Yes. But if you look at how your Democrats are now smearing the other candidates who have the same platform, but don't have the same issues, you might realize it has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with economics.

Every candidate has opponents and those opponents will use whatever they can to discredit them, including rape allegations. Good candidates either don't have those issues or are able to get out of ahead of them. There's a reason the smears against Mamdani didn't work.

I can see that this happens, but I also have a problem with folks on the far left who want to act like this is all just the establishment attacking them and that no mistakes were made on their end.

Have to agree with this. This is just the Dems screwing up another race they should win. They knew Biden had issues, and they simply ignored them and had their friendly media ignore them, and now here again they are forced to in appoint a late minute candidate to enter the race. The real contenders, are for the most part , those that lost in primaries, having displayed numerous vulnerabilities (the current Secretary of State at least didn't lose in the primary, though she has a thin resume). Collins is Republican in a blue state and should be vulnerable, but like Trump, is an able political strategist, and likely will win a race she should not, and the Democrats again are their own worse enemy.

The Dems screwed up the race by making Janet Mills the only alternative.

Yes, this is also true.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:31p, 7/18/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Look man, you can say that Platner got smeared or whatever but if the smears are true then he was simply a bad candidate and this stuff was going to come out sooner or later. At least some of the fault is on him and the people who recruited him, yes?

Was he less than an ideal candidate? Yes. But if you look at how your Democrats are now smearing the other candidates who have the same platform, but don't have the same issues, you might realize it has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with economics.

Every candidate has opponents and those opponents will use whatever they can to discredit them, including rape allegations. Good candidates either don't have those issues or are able to get out of ahead of them. There's a reason the smears against Mamdani didn't work.

I can see that this happens, but I also have a problem with folks on the far left who want to act like this is all just the establishment attacking them and that no mistakes were made on their end.

Color me absolutely that Jon Favreau of all people told the truth about the Democratic Party.


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In reply to Aunburdened • 11:13p, 7/18/26
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Look man, you can say that Platner got smeared or whatever but if the smears are true then he was simply a bad candidate and this stuff was going to come out sooner or later. At least some of the fault is on him and the people who recruited him, yes?

Was he less than an ideal candidate? Yes. But if you look at how your Democrats are now smearing the other candidates who have the same platform, but don't have the same issues, you might realize it has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with economics.

Every candidate has opponents and those opponents will use whatever they can to discredit them, including rape allegations. Good candidates either don't have those issues or are able to get out of ahead of them. There's a reason the smears against Mamdani didn't work.

I can see that this happens, but I also have a problem with folks on the far left who want to act like this is all just the establishment attacking them and that no mistakes were made on their end.

Color me absolutely that Jon Favreau of all people told the truth about the Democratic Party.


I generally agree with this take. I've seen some more centrist/liberal types blaming Favreau/Pod Save for Platner's rise, but IMO they get that causal relationship backwards: the Pod guys care about winning elections and beating Republicans more than anything else, so if they supported Platner it's because they saw he had better support and was the better option over Mills (still don't think they were wrong about that). They took up his cause because the VOTERS showed a clear preference for Platner, not just because they loved him personally.

So yes, Platner had real support. Also, he imploded because he didn't address any of the potential problems he should have known were coming before they blew up in his face. Sometimes you have these outcomes when running someone who has never been in government before.
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4:33p, 7/19/26
Believe all women

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But she was unaware that it was all videotaped. The now-released video showed that she lied about everything. She tried to beat the **** out of the worker, even throwing stones at him, because he couldn't carry her couch up alone, while he did everything possible to avoid even defending himself let alone fighting back.

She was then forced to apologize in a weepy video, claiming she has PTSD and that "blinded" her. Good reminder for why evidence should be needed before anyone's accusations are believed.


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Trump has lowered the bar so profoundly that a lot of peccadilloes are no longer disqualifying. Both parties so innately only care about winning to obtain and retain power they are happy to look the other way when the bad candidate is on their side. IMO this one is on Schumer and the establishment Ds. Their party is under attack from the left and they are seemingly disinterested in finding real candidates. How they only came up will Mills is a serious head scratcher.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 5:20p, 7/19/26
tequila4kapp said:
Trump has lowered the bar so profoundly that a lot of peccadilloes are no longer disqualifying. Both parties so innately only care about winning to obtain and retain power they are happy to look the other way when the bad candidate is on their side. IMO this one is on Schumer and the establishment Ds. Their party is under attack from the left and they are seemingly disinterested in finding real candidates. How they only came up will Mills is a serious head scratcher.

Not just that they came up with Mills, they actively discouraged other candidates from running in the Senate race so they all ran for governor instead. That's how a former nobody like Platner won the primary: voters wanted something different and he was it.

Sometimes this makes sense if you have a candidate who is clearly far more popular than anyone else, like Cooper in North Carolina or Peltola in Alaska. But Mills always had mediocre popularity for a sitting governor and is 78 years old. They should have let a wider field of candidates fight this one out.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 5:29p, 7/19/26
tequila4kapp said:
Trump has lowered the bar so profoundly that a lot of peccadilloes are no longer disqualifying. Both parties so innately only care about winning to obtain and retain power they are happy to look the other way when the bad candidate is on their side. IMO this one is on Schumer and the establishment Ds. Their party is under attack from the left and they are seemingly disinterested in finding real candidates. How they only came up will Mills is a serious head scratcher.


The electorate doesn't want moderate milquetoast, they want someone who represents them. The likely candidate will have a similar position on israel and universal health care as Platner
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 6:08p, 7/19/26
Anarchistbear said:
tequila4kapp said:
Trump has lowered the bar so profoundly that a lot of peccadilloes are no longer disqualifying. Both parties so innately only care about winning to obtain and retain power they are happy to look the other way when the bad candidate is on their side. IMO this one is on Schumer and the establishment Ds. Their party is under attack from the left and they are seemingly disinterested in finding real candidates. How they only came up will Mills is a serious head scratcher.


The electorate doesn't want moderate milquetoast, they want someone who represents them. The likely candidate will have a similar position on israel and universal health care as Platner

Looks like it will be Troy Jackson

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In reply to Anarchistbear • 6:09p, 7/19/26
Anarchistbear said:
tequila4kapp said:
Trump has lowered the bar so profoundly that a lot of peccadilloes are no longer disqualifying. Both parties so innately only care about winning to obtain and retain power they are happy to look the other way when the bad candidate is on their side. IMO this one is on Schumer and the establishment Ds. Their party is under attack from the left and they are seemingly disinterested in finding real candidates. How they only came up will Mills is a serious head scratcher.


The electorate doesn't want moderate milquetoast, they want someone who represents them. The likely candidate will have a similar position on israel and universal health care as Platner

That's what conservatives said 10 or 15 years ago about the Tea Party movement.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 7:25p, 7/19/26
tequila4kapp said:
Anarchistbear said:
tequila4kapp said:
Trump has lowered the bar so profoundly that a lot of peccadilloes are no longer disqualifying. Both parties so innately only care about winning to obtain and retain power they are happy to look the other way when the bad candidate is on their side. IMO this one is on Schumer and the establishment Ds. Their party is under attack from the left and they are seemingly disinterested in finding real candidates. How they only came up will Mills is a serious head scratcher.


The electorate doesn't want moderate milquetoast, they want someone who represents them. The likely candidate will have a similar position on israel and universal health care as Platner

That's what conservatives said 10 or 15 years ago about the Tea Party movement.


It was true then, you can possibly trace Trump back to them.
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