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Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.
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tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.


It's a tired trope to say that people like me are anti-semitic because we oppose Israel committing genocide and we oppose the influx of pro Israeli money in our political system.
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tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Here's a nice response to your pat "Does Israel have a right to exist?" question

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dajo9 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.


It's a tired trope to say that people like me are anti-semitic because we oppose Israel committing genocide and we oppose the influx of pro Israeli money in our political system.


You love tired tropes against the right. There's a difference between opposing genocide and denying a countries right to exist.
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tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.


Does East Germany have a right to exist? Apartheid South Africa?

Does the fact that half the Israeli population wants to kill every man, woman and child in Gaza bother you at all?
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If recent history teaches us anything, it's no country has a right to exist
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BearlySane88 said:

dajo9 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.


It's a tired trope to say that people like me are anti-semitic because we oppose Israel committing genocide and we oppose the influx of pro Israeli money in our political system.


You love tired tropes against the right. There's a difference between opposing genocide and denying a countries right to exist.

You don't accept Palestine's right to exist, and what's left of it today is literally being genocided, so spare us the cheap sanctimony.
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tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?
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calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?


Somebody on this board does
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Aunburdened said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Here's a nice response to your pat "Does Israel have a right to exist?" question



You know what a nice response to the question is? Yes or no.
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calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Palestinians have a right to exist (see, that isn't hard). And they do exist - 80% of Jordan is Palestinian and they live peacefully next to Israel; 20% of Israel's population is Palestinian / Muslim and they generally thrive.

rather than argue the merits of anything I say about Israel / Gaza let's get back to the point - the DSA nominates people who cannot even answer the question, which means their answer is No for Israel existing, which means they are anti-Semite candidates.
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tequila4kapp said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Palestinians have a right to exist (see, that isn't hard). And they do exist


They are being genocided.
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Cal88 said:

tequila4kapp said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Palestinians have a right to exist (see, that isn't hard). And they do exist


They are being genocided.
We know from the Israel thread that we do not see eye to eye on any of that. I'll back out of this convo to help bring it back on topic.
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

dajo9 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.


It's a tired trope to say that people like me are anti-semitic because we oppose Israel committing genocide and we oppose the influx of pro Israeli money in our political system.


You love tired tropes against the right. There's a difference between opposing genocide and denying a countries right to exist.

You don't accept Palestine's right to exist, and what's left of it today is literally being genocided, so spare us the cheap sanctimony.



When did I say I don't accept Palestine's right to exist? You must be confusing me with someone else
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tequila4kapp said:

Aunburdened said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Here's a nice response to your pat "Does Israel have a right to exist?" question



You know what a nice response to the question is? Yes or no.

It's a BS question asked by people who support genocide. Thanks!
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tequila4kapp said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Palestinians have a right to exist (see, that isn't hard). And they do exist - 80% of Jordan is Palestinian and they live peacefully next to Israel; 20% of Israel's population is Palestinian / Muslim and they generally thrive.

rather than argue the merits of anything I say about Israel / Gaza let's get back to the point - the DSA nominates people who cannot even answer the question, which means their answer is No for Israel existing, which means they are anti-Semite candidates.



I note you have slyly, subtly, or other of course changed the original question and comment from Israel's right to exist and Palestine's right to exist to Israelis and Palestinians. Do you agree Palestine has a right to exist or just Palestinians?
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Detroit community actvist and youth soccer coach talks about his vote in the MI primary:

"the 6 year olds that I coach here, are just as precious as the 6 year olds in Palestine"
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calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.
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Not all candidates are alike...
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crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel, and I suppose since the cotter countries get aid to trade with the US, because Isreal are Jews.
Point of clarification - about 5.5 million Palestinians live peacefully inside Israel and adjacent to Israel in Jordan. Israel doesn't attack them. No genocides there. Whacky how that happens. It's the PLO / HAMAS segment of Palestinians who are (mostly) the problem. In addition to the countries you listed they've also been booted from Kuwait, Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt (and maybe Iraq…not sure of my history there). Not because those countries were attempting some political triangulation related to Gaza, but because THOSE Palestinians are collectively bad actors and had to go. Huge surprise those same Palestinians are impossible to deal with in Gaza. They refuse to accept Israel's right to exist, have it in their Constitution to kill Jews and make a two state solution impossible.
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tequila4kapp said:

wifeisafurd said:

crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel, and I suppose since the cotter countries get aid to trade with the US, because Isreal are Jews.

Point of clarification - about 5.5 million Palestinians live peacefully inside Israel and adjacent to Israel in Jordan. Israel doesn't attack them. No genocides there. Whacky how that happens. It's the PLO / HAMAS segment of Palestinians who are (mostly) the problem. In addition to the countries you listed they've also been booted from Kuwait, Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt (and maybe Iraq…not sure of my history there). Not because those countries were attempting some political triangulation related to Gaza, but because THOSE Palestinians are collectively bad actors and had to go. Huge surprise those same Palestinians are impossible to deal with in Gaza. They refuse to accept Israel's right to exist, have it in their Constitution to kill Jews and make a two state solution impossible.


Both your argument here and Wife's above are mostly based on a combination of ignorance of basic facts and outright racism, perhaps the result of a lifetime of propaganda on this subject, the zionist narrative being by far the dominant one across US media and culture.

You ignore basic facts like half the Israeli population wanting to exterminate every man, woman and child in Gaza.


Only about 1.6M Palestinians live in Israel proper, and they have second class status, banned from owning homes or living in many parts of the country, forbidden from marrying Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens, though their lot is orders of magnitude better than the 5.5M Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, with the former being subject to constant bloody pogroms, repression and expropriations, while the latter are being straight up genocided through bombings, deliberate and systematic destruction of all infrastructure and outright starvation.
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NM.

I have no interest in turning this into another Israel thread. We both know where the other stands thanks to that thread.
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wifeisafurd said:

calpoly said:

tequila4kapp said:

Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
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Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.

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Back to the main subject, Abdul's primary opponent looks pretty bad.


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tequila4kapp said:

wifeisafurd said:

crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel, and I suppose since the cotter countries get aid to trade with the US, because Isreal are Jews.

Point of clarification - about 5.5 million Palestinians live peacefully inside Israel and adjacent to Israel in Jordan. Israel doesn't attack them. No genocides there. Whacky how that happens. It's the PLO / HAMAS segment of Palestinians who are (mostly) the problem. In addition to the countries you listed they've also been booted from Kuwait, Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt (and maybe Iraq…not sure of my history there). Not because those countries were attempting some political triangulation related to Gaza, but because THOSE Palestinians are collectively bad actors and had to go. Huge surprise those same Palestinians are impossible to deal with in Gaza. They refuse to accept Israel's right to exist, have it in their Constitution to kill Jews and make a two state solution impossible.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"



By the way, arresting Netanyahu wouldn't solve the Israeli genocide problem. The vast majority of the country supports the genocide and any successor to Netanyahu will continue his policy of mass murder.
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No truer words have ever been said

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AIPAC is blatantly trying to buy a Senate seat in Michigan, but the media doesn't want to draw your attention to that

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When two GOP billionaires are bankrolling your campaign, is it to get you elected or to make sure the other guy doesn't end up running against the Republican you really want to win the race?

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AIPAC money is warping our politics, but talk more about Russian and Chinese election "interference"

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I thought El Sayed would surely lose with the $46M and counting spent against him, especially in a midwestern state with a sizeable rural and "deep red" population where it might be easier to smear a candidate on the basis of his ethnicity, but it looks like he has been holding out well:




This is shocking, in a very good way, $46M are failing to stop a candidate with a solid platform.
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Cal88 said:

I thought El Sayed would surely lose with the $46M and counting spent against him, especially in a midwestern state with a sizeable rural and "deep red" population where it might be easier to smear a candidate on the basis of his ethnicity, but it looks like he has been holding out well:




This is shocking, in a very good way, $46M are failing to stop a candidate with a solid platform.

Polls are meaningless to me at this point.

What does mean something to me is American voters eventually deciding that AIPAC money is an automatic disqualifier for office and we're not there yet. Propaganda still works on voters for the most part.

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The MI primary is on Tuesday apparently, so polls do matter.
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Cal88 said:

The MI primary is on Tuesday apparently, so polls do matter.

Maybe if they were ever accurate. Sara Gideon just entered the chat.

You can easily find a poll these days that gives you the truth you want to believe.
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I get it but if the same polling company shows a huge shift in 3 weeks towards a candidate, that is a relevant data point.

 
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