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7:25a, 7/30/26
Sayed increasing his lead, doing well even with middle aged group and older (70+) Boomers.

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In reply to Cal88 • 10:30a, 7/30/26
Cal88 said:
Sayed increasing his lead, doing well even with middle aged group and older (70+) Boomers.


One can only hope.

I don't really care about candidates like El-Sayed and Platner. I expect them to disappoint as they get assimilated into the Democratic machine. I just want obviously bought and paid for candidates to lose favor.
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:42p, 7/30/26
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.


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In reply to wifeisafurd • 11:12p, 7/30/26
wifeisafurd said:
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.
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In reply to calpoly • 7:09a, 7/31/26
calpoly said:
wifeisafurd said:
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.

Economically, Harry Truman was what we call a democratic socialist today.
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In reply to calpoly • 11:47a, 7/31/26
calpoly said:
wifeisafurd said:
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.

I would agree with you on the where the parties are going, but not necessarily with your labels. I don't want to live undef either ideology, and I'm glad to be a resident of a purple state.
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In reply to dajo9 • 11:51a, 7/31/26
dajo9 said:
calpoly said:
wifeisafurd said:
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.

Economically, Harry Truman was what we call a democratic socialist today.

And Eisenhower frequently cited for high growth, job creation, and stability would be a "fascist"? .
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In reply to wifeisafurd • 12:23p, 7/31/26
wifeisafurd said:
dajo9 said:
calpoly said:
wifeisafurd said:
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.

Economically, Harry Truman was what we call a democratic socialist today.

And Eisenhower frequently cited for high growth, job creation, and stability would be a "fascist"? .

Fun fact: The interstate highway system wasn't built by the free market

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In reply to wifeisafurd • 2:10p, 7/31/26
wifeisafurd said:
dajo9 said:
calpoly said:
wifeisafurd said:
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.

Economically, Harry Truman was what we call a democratic socialist today.

And Eisenhower frequently cited for high growth, job creation, and stability would be a "fascist"? .


Why are you calling Eisenhower a fascist? Please explain.
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That guy is off by a decimal, she has received over $30M from AIPAC.
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calpoly said:
wifeisafurd said:
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.


The charges of "fascism" and " socialist" are fear mongering by two capitalist/ corporate parties protecting their turf. In truth Michigan is not going to wake up either. Fascist or Socialist; it will be Democrat or Republican.
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dajo9 said:
wifeisafurd said:
dajo9 said:
calpoly said:
wifeisafurd said:
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.

Economically, Harry Truman was what we call a democratic socialist today.

And Eisenhower frequently cited for high growth, job creation, and stability would be a "fascist"? .


Why are you calling Eisenhower a fascist? Please explain.

You need to catch-up on reading the thread, labels being used by Ia one poster and people somehow tying Presidents to these labels purely on their econmcs. The poster that suggested Truman was a democratic socialist probably forgot his brutal attacks on labor unions, his fierce anti-commjnist Cold War policies and that he would have had a knee jerk negative reaction to anything labelled socialism, and the pull back from new deal philosophy, during his administration (he also had to compromise with a more conservative Congress). The one thing somewhat democratic socialist about Truman was his desire for universal health care in his Square Deal program. Of course, so did Richard Nixon, another great democratic socialist who basically ran on a Square Deal type platform.

In any event, Eisenhower strongly supported private enterprise and opposed government-run healthcare or public ownership of industries. He was fiscally conservative (like Bill Clinton another fascist), etc. Of coursse if you start looking at President in narrow areas, you can label them almost anything.


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Anarchistbear said:
calpoly said:
wifeisafurd said:
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.


The charges of "fascism" and " socialist" are fear mongering by two capitalist/ corporate parties protecting their turf. In truth Michigan is not going to wake up either. Fascist or Socialist; it will be Democrat or Republican.

Man what a great post, though it really is language being used by one or two posters here. But yea, the party partisans really do use this language.
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Not sure it's going to matter who wins the dem nomination.



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wifeisafurd said:
dajo9 said:
wifeisafurd said:
dajo9 said:
calpoly said:
wifeisafurd said:
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.

Economically, Harry Truman was what we call a democratic socialist today.

And Eisenhower frequently cited for high growth, job creation, and stability would be a "fascist"? .


Why are you calling Eisenhower a fascist? Please explain.

You need to catch-up on reading the thread, labels being used by Ia one poster and people somehow tying Presidents to these labels purely on their econmcs. The poster that suggested Truman was a democratic socialist probably forgot his brutal attacks on labor unions, his fierce anti-commjnist Cold War policies and that he would have had a knee jerk negative reaction to anything labelled socialism, and the pull back from new deal philosophy, during his administration (he also had to compromise with a more conservative Congress). The one thing somewhat democratic socialist about Truman was his desire for universal health care in his Square Deal program. Of course, so did Richard Nixon, another great democratic socialist who basically ran on a Square Deal type platform.

In any event, Eisenhower strongly supported private enterprise and opposed government-run healthcare or public ownership of industries. He was fiscally conservative (like Bill Clinton another fascist), etc. Of coursse if you start looking at President in narrow areas, you can label them almost anything.


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I disagree with you about Bill Clinton and Eisenhower being fascist or fiscally conservative.

Truman supported universal healthcare, very high taxes on the wealthy, federal affordable housing programs, raised the federal minimum wage to a modern equivalent of $10.42/hr, supported the GI Bill and 2 years of free college. His economic policies are similar to today's Democratic Socialists.
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Is there anything funnier than a guy who only got elected to Congress because he was a trust fund baby that got an endorsement from the New York Times lecturing people about how to win an election when he suffered the biggest primary blowout this side of Liz Cheney?



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Not sure it's going to matter who wins the dem nomination.


Al Sayed was also way behind his two primary challengers early in the race, and that was before they spent $30M+ against him.

It will be interesting to see if the Dem leadership is going to rally around him or pull another Mamdani and tacitly endorse his AIPAC opponent...
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BearlySane88 said:
Not sure it's going to matter who wins the dem nomination.


Al Sayed was also way behind his two primary challengers early in the race, and that was before they spent $30M+ against him.

It will be interesting to see if the Dem leadership is going to rally around him or pull another Mamdani and tacitly endorse his AIPAC opponent...

Oh, you know the answer to that already
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Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Is it supposed to be a surprise that conservatives always think Democrats should be more like conservatives?

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Centrists like to play dumb like they don't understand why they are so unpopular, so Shawn Fain lays it out for us. It's one of our leading Ukraine war supporter's favorite tactics.



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In blue-collar towns across Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvaniaonce the heart of the "blue wall"workers stopped believing Democrats were on their side. Communities built on strong union jobs that could support a family, buy a home, and retire with dignity were hollowed out. America was under siege by bad trade deals, like NAFTA, and the plant closures that followed devastate blue-collar towns while corporations came to dominate Washington.

Over the decades, too many Democrats stopped listening to working people and started listening to political donors.

We call on elected officials to pick a side. You can fight for the working class or do the bidding of billionaires and corporations, but you cannot do both. If Democrats want to win, they must prove they are on the side of workers.

You don't have to look far back to see Democratic governors choosing otherwise. In 2025, Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont vetoed unemployment benefits for striking workerstwice. In 2026, Virginia Governor Abigail Spanberger vetoed collective bargaining rights for public-sector workers. And just weeks ago, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer vetoed nine bills restoring pensions, lowering health care costs, and restoring bargaining rights for public-sector workers.

Those vetoes came after Michigan Democrats fought an 18-month legal battle to force the bills to the governor's desk. When the courts finally ordered them delivered, Whitmer vetoed all nine the same daywithout so much as a phone call to legislative leaders or the unions that helped elect her.

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wifeisafurd said:
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Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

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"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


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Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.

Economically, Harry Truman was what we call a democratic socialist today.

And Eisenhower frequently cited for high growth, job creation, and stability would be a "fascist"? .


Why are you calling Eisenhower a fascist? Please explain.

You need to catch-up on reading the thread, labels being used by Ia one poster and people somehow tying Presidents to these labels purely on their econmcs. The poster that suggested Truman was a democratic socialist probably forgot his brutal attacks on labor unions, his fierce anti-commjnist Cold War policies and that he would have had a knee jerk negative reaction to anything labelled socialism, and the pull back from new deal philosophy, during his administration (he also had to compromise with a more conservative Congress). The one thing somewhat democratic socialist about Truman was his desire for universal health care in his Square Deal program. Of course, so did Richard Nixon, another great democratic socialist who basically ran on a Square Deal type platform.

In any event, Eisenhower strongly supported private enterprise and opposed government-run healthcare or public ownership of industries. He was fiscally conservative (like Bill Clinton another fascist), etc. Of coursse if you start looking at President in narrow areas, you can label them almost anything.


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I disagree with you about Bill Clinton and Eisenhower being fascist or fiscally conservative.

Truman supported universal healthcare, very high taxes on the wealthy, federal affordable housing programs, raised the federal minimum wage to a modern equivalent of $10.42/hr, supported the GI Bill and 2 years of free college. His economic policies are similar to today's Democratic Socialists.

You really need a lesson on how to read. I responded to a comment that someone else was calling them fascicxgt by the way they defined the terms.

I disagree with you on Truman. He also expressly retorted that he was not a socialist and that funding specific government projects was not socialism. Nevertheless, by your definition Reagan and Nixon are socialists because they raised the miiumn wage and GI benefits and in Nixo case raised taxes. incldgi capital gain rates eve more than Harry Truman. Reagan raised taxes multiple times. If you start picking at specific thigs to try and define past Presidents to specific policiers you think a group believes you look foolish. Fro example, Truman reluctantly raised tax rates to fund increased war spending against Communists. How do you think today's socialists view that rationale for raising taxes? This really has become one really dumb argument.


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In reply to wifeisafurd • 3:54a, 8/2/26
wifeisafurd said:
dajo9 said:
wifeisafurd said:
dajo9 said:
wifeisafurd said:
dajo9 said:
calpoly said:
wifeisafurd said:
Cal88 said:
wifeisafurd said:
calpoly said:
tequila4kapp said:
Is it supposed to be a surprise that AIPAC opposes candidates who can't even say Israel has a right to exist? The DSA are basically a bunch of anti-semites. They run anti-Israel candidates then complain about Jewish money when it opposes their candidates. Nice trick.

Are you anti-Palestinian? Do you support the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government?

Some of them are not exactly innocent. What becomes clear is that it is only when the IDF is blowing up things (and doing so after provocation), that we hear your hypercritical voices.

Where were you and yours when the Jordanian Army caused heavy casualties among Palestinian fighters and civilians in Jordan?

Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Where were you and yours when Hamas took over Gaza from the PLO with atrocity after atrocity.

Where are you and yours why Egypt collaborates with the IDF now for decades in keeping those in Gaza stuck in Gaza.

Where are you and yours with all the crackdowns by places Palestinians have moved including Syria, Saudia Arabia and other Gulf states. Go read some Amnesty International material sometime.

The Palestinians are treated as the garbage of the area. No one wants them, and everyone has taken turns attacking them, and like garbage everyone wants them removed from their area. You and yours just pinpoint Israel because the US supports Israel. I suppose since the other countries get aid and trade with the US, but they are fellow Muslims attacking the Palestinians, so they get a pass, but not those Jews.


You are saying essentially that the Palestinians are garbage here.

You could probably find the same type of discourse in western Europe and N. America about Jewish refugees in the 1930s.

The main problem in Palestine is that you have an entire people that has been displaced and ethnically cleansed by another people claiming the land by divine decree and past victimhood.

Quote:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is natural: we took their country. True, God promised it to us, but why should that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. There was antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitzbut was that their fault? They see only one thing: we came and stole their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli Prime Minister): quoted by Nahum Goldmann in *Le Paradoxe Juif*, p. 121.


Your facts above are wrong as well.
Quote:
Where were you and yours Maronite Christian militia t perpetrated the Sabra and Shatila massacre, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There were about 3,500 Palestinians massacred by the far right Kataeb Phalange militias, but it was done in full coordination with the IDF which cordoned off the area, and the massacres of an unarmed population were carried through the night with the Israelis lighting the area with flares.


I said they are being treated like garbage. Want to guess who I'm quoting before you put words in my mouth? Really you need to actually read what people say rather the reduce things to base propaganda. If you read what I said with the intelligence of a Cal alum, it should be apparent I'm saying the Palestinians are being beat on on by all their neighbors. (I will leave it to others to discuss to wha degree this is deserved). it's the hypocrisy you have to always say its the Jews that is appalling.

You seem to ignore all the times I referenced where the Palestinians were attacked by Muslims and focus on the one Christian massacre mentioned and find a way to blame the Jews by quoting some nut job known for his online virality and polarization connected to Middle East conflicts, and who routinely says stuff without any factual support (the left wing version of far right influencers).

In this case, he has no actual evidence the IDF involved is involved in the massacre and covers this up with some message the IDF must have known (so must have the US, Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc). But yea, it's the Jew's fault, that a Christian group massacred Palestinians.

As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling. The Democratic moderates and leadership of the Democratic Party are worried that El-Sayeed is going to beat (perhaps badly) a weak main line candidate worrying El-Sayeed's left politics and lack of experience in winning political races will hinder the Democrats chance to regain the Senate. A recent Michigan Education survey showed Republican Rogers beating El-Sayed by 10 points in a hypothetical match-up, with only 11 percent of respondents undecided.



You said: "As the GOP lurches right, the Democrats seem to believe in what this socialist is selling."

To me, the GOP is moving toward fascism, while the Democrats are moving toward democratic socialism. I don't particularly like either direction, but I would rather live under democratic socialism than fascism. It seems like the political middle ground is disappearing.

Economically, Harry Truman was what we call a democratic socialist today.

And Eisenhower frequently cited for high growth, job creation, and stability would be a "fascist"? .


Why are you calling Eisenhower a fascist? Please explain.

You need to catch-up on reading the thread, labels being used by Ia one poster and people somehow tying Presidents to these labels purely on their econmcs. The poster that suggested Truman was a democratic socialist probably forgot his brutal attacks on labor unions, his fierce anti-commjnist Cold War policies and that he would have had a knee jerk negative reaction to anything labelled socialism, and the pull back from new deal philosophy, during his administration (he also had to compromise with a more conservative Congress). The one thing somewhat democratic socialist about Truman was his desire for universal health care in his Square Deal program. Of course, so did Richard Nixon, another great democratic socialist who basically ran on a Square Deal type platform.

In any event, Eisenhower strongly supported private enterprise and opposed government-run healthcare or public ownership of industries. He was fiscally conservative (like Bill Clinton another fascist), etc. Of coursse if you start looking at President in narrow areas, you can label them almost anything.


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I disagree with you about Bill Clinton and Eisenhower being fascist or fiscally conservative.

Truman supported universal healthcare, very high taxes on the wealthy, federal affordable housing programs, raised the federal minimum wage to a modern equivalent of $10.42/hr, supported the GI Bill and 2 years of free college. His economic policies are similar to today's Democratic Socialists.

You really need a lesson on how to read. I responded to a comment that someone else was calling them fascicxgt by the way they defined the terms.

I disagree with you on Truman. He also expressly retorted that he was not a socialist and that funding specific government projects was not socialism. Nevertheless, by your definition Reagan and Nixon are socialists because they raised the miiumn wage and GI benefits and in Nixo case raised taxes. incldgi capital gain rates eve more than Harry Truman. Reagan raised taxes multiple times. If you start picking at specific thigs to try and define past Presidents to specific policiers you think a group believes you look foolish. Fro example, Truman reluctantly raised tax rates to fund increased war spending against Communists. How do you think today's socialists view that rationale for raising taxes? This really has become one really dumb argument.




There you go again. It's Democratic Socialist not socialist. And yes, thank you for proving my point that Democratic Socialism was mainstream by different names before the current right wing period.
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In reply to dajo9 • 8:20a, 8/2/26
"Social democrat" seems more benign and less radical than "democratic socialist" although the words are practically the same. The emergence of democratic socialism is due to the predatory and dysfunctional nature of late stage capitalism, which has been particularly harsh on younger people (exorbitant college, housing costs. fewer professional prospects etc).
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"Social democrat" seems more benign and less radical than "democratic socialist" although the words are practically the same. The emergence of democratic socialism is due to the predatory and dysfunctional nature of late stage capitalism, which has been particularly harsh on younger people (exorbitant college, housing costs. fewer professional prospects etc).

Hilarious how the vampires of capitalism never take any blame for the increased interest in socialism. Maybe if they hadn't been so greedy and had been interested in the welfare of the people on whose backs they earned their ill-gotten gains, there wouldn't be so many people seeing the appeal an economic system that punishes greed.
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The total inability (or a lack of willingness) of many on here to correctly use terms like "socialism" "communism" "fascist" makes it impossible to have productive conversations.
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The total inability (or a lack of willingness) of many on here to correctly use terms like "socialism" "communism" "fascist" makes it impossible to have productive conversations.

Kinda my point on the labeling. Just a dumb conversation when labeling Presidents and others.
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Cal88 said:
"Social democrat" seems more benign and less radical than "democratic socialist" although the words are practically the same. The emergence of democratic socialism is due to the predatory and dysfunctional nature of late stage capitalism, which has been particularly harsh on younger people (exorbitant college, housing costs. fewer professional prospects etc).

Hilarious how the vampires of capitalism never take any blame for the increased interest in socialism. Maybe if they hadn't been so greedy and had been interested in the welfare of the people on whose backs they earned their ill-gotten gains, there wouldn't be so many people seeing the appeal an economic system that punishes greed.

There is legitimate pushback from those on the left when in a no bipartisanship environment, they get nothing that they want with the GOP in power, and they move even more left, just as the right did when bipartenship failed under Obama and you got Trump. This also encourages a stronger executive branch as Congress refuses to address difficult issues.

The problem facing the Dems is that democratic socialism in the form presented by Sanders can be sold in very progressive enclaves like a small state, Seattle and New York but doesn't translate into larger areas like the State of Michigan. And the Dems will learn that lesson when they likely lose to Collins (some of this is bad vetting of candidates) and in Michigan, and therefore don't win back the Senate, despite an unpopular President.

As for the impact on the young, you have a combination of an entitled overly sensitive generation facing a sharp drop in entry level jobs due to tech driven business (created primarily by a younger often progressive generation) and a mismatch of majors and current business needs. And you may wang to blame housing costs on government (restrictive local zoning codes, environmental reviews, and procedures that entrenched community opposition can use to kill housing) no growthers, and liberal NIMBYs, and not capitalists who want to build more housing, hire people and make money. Housing in blue states is, on average, roughly 52% more expensive than in red states. Maybe these progressives might hold up a mirror and see they are big part of their children's problems.
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Muckieeye said:
The total inability (or a lack of willingness) of many on here to correctly use terms like "socialism" "communism" "fascist" makes it impossible to have productive conversations.

Kinda my point on the labeling. Just a dumb conversation when labeling Presidents and others.


No different than the liberal or conservative label. They all have meaning and should be used appropriately. Trump is a fascist. I wouldn't say that about any other President. Trump tried to overturn an election he lost to stay in power. We've never had a communist President.
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wifeisafurd said:
Muckieeye said:
The total inability (or a lack of willingness) of many on here to correctly use terms like "socialism" "communism" "fascist" makes it impossible to have productive conversations.

Kinda my point on the labeling. Just a dumb conversation when labeling Presidents and others.


No different than the liberal or conservative label. They all have meaning and should be used appropriately. Trump is a fascist. I wouldn't say that about any other President. Trump tried to overturn an election he lost to stay in power. We've never had a communist President.


People really shouldn't throw around things that aren't true like this. It's like the boy who cried wolf, people stop taking it seriously when it is true.

Facism is generally understood to involve far more than contesting an election. It includes one party rule, abolition of competitive elections, suppression of opposition parties, state control of the media, systematic political violence, and permanent dictatorship. Trump left office on January 20, 2021, after Congress certified the election and the courts rejected his legal challenges. The constitutional transfer of power ultimately occurred.
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A colorable argument can be made that Trump has clearly exhibited fascist tendencies:

Scholars who study authoritarian movements, alongside former members of Trump's own administration, have pointed to several key behaviors that mimic historical fascist tactics:

Rhetoric and Political Language:
Political scientists note that Trump frequently uses an "us versus them" framework. This includes dehumanizing language regarding undocumented immigrants, referencing internal political opponents as the "enemy from within", and utilizing themes centered on restoring a mythic national past.

Subverting Democratic Norms:
Experts highlight Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election results and his role in the January 6 Capitol attack as direct challenges to the peaceful transfer of power. His suggestions regarding the use of the military against domestic protesters or political rivals are frequently cited as authoritarian impulses.

Cult of Personality:
The MAGA movement is often analyzed as being built entirely around absolute personal loyalty to Trump rather than a traditional political party platform.

Insiders' Perspectives:
High-ranking former officials from his first term, most notably his former White House Chief of Staff and retired general John Kelly, have stated publicly that Trump fits the general definition of a fascist and desired a military loyal to him personally.
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In reply to bearister • 12:51p, 8/2/26
Yes because Us vs Them is exclusively Trump's thing.

"People in power are trying to convince us that the villain in our American story is each other… Our United States of America is not about us versus them. It's about We the People." Kamala Harris

Ironically, while condemning "us vs. them" politics, this speech went on to repeatedly contrasted "our America" with Trump's America, using phrases like "that's not our America."

The rest of your post is just sour grapes from both sides.
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BearlySane88 said:
dajo9 said:
wifeisafurd said:
Muckieeye said:
The total inability (or a lack of willingness) of many on here to correctly use terms like "socialism" "communism" "fascist" makes it impossible to have productive conversations.

Kinda my point on the labeling. Just a dumb conversation when labeling Presidents and others.


No different than the liberal or conservative label. They all have meaning and should be used appropriately. Trump is a fascist. I wouldn't say that about any other President. Trump tried to overturn an election he lost to stay in power. We've never had a communist President.


People really shouldn't throw around things that aren't true like this. It's like the boy who cried wolf, people stop taking it seriously when it is true.

Facism is generally understood to involve far more than contesting an election. It includes one party rule, abolition of competitive elections, suppression of opposition parties, state control of the media, systematic political violence, and permanent dictatorship. Trump left office on January 20, 2021, after Congress certified the election and the courts rejected his legal challenges. The constitutional transfer of power ultimately occurred.


You are making the argument that Hitler wasn't a fascist until after he did all those things. No, Hitler was a fascist when he was powerless in Munich. Just like Trump is a fascist now who tried and failed to stay in power after losing, among other things.
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In reply to dajo9 • 4:09p, 8/2/26
dajo9 said:
BearlySane88 said:
dajo9 said:
wifeisafurd said:
Muckieeye said:
The total inability (or a lack of willingness) of many on here to correctly use terms like "socialism" "communism" "fascist" makes it impossible to have productive conversations.

Kinda my point on the labeling. Just a dumb conversation when labeling Presidents and others.


No different than the liberal or conservative label. They all have meaning and should be used appropriately. Trump is a fascist. I wouldn't say that about any other President. Trump tried to overturn an election he lost to stay in power. We've never had a communist President.


People really shouldn't throw around things that aren't true like this. It's like the boy who cried wolf, people stop taking it seriously when it is true.

Facism is generally understood to involve far more than contesting an election. It includes one party rule, abolition of competitive elections, suppression of opposition parties, state control of the media, systematic political violence, and permanent dictatorship. Trump left office on January 20, 2021, after Congress certified the election and the courts rejected his legal challenges. The constitutional transfer of power ultimately occurred.


You are making the argument that Hitler wasn't a fascist until after he did all those things. No, Hitler was a fascist when he was powerless in Munich. Just like Trump is a fascist now who tried and failed to stay in power after losing, among other things.


No, I'm making the argument that Trump isn't a fascist because he gave up power like every other president has. If he was a fascist, he wouldn't have relented power. Your argument is entirely dead in the water.
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5:23p, 8/2/26
Jim Clyburn's influence is a lot less in Michigan

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