The WNBA Trans Problem

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wifeisafurd
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I figured that I better start the over here than on the basketball board, because it would get moved here in any event.

Two former NBA players have announced they will declare for the 2027 WNBA draft. This may be a stunt, but both players stated they want to test the league's inclusion standards and policies, and it pretty clear they could be the top players picked. Royce White, who is now a Republican politician, indicated he's transgender and identifies as a woman "sometimes… for purpose of basketball, professional basketball." White is 6'8", and played at at 260 lbs, was a first round pick, played through 2018 and while 35, appears to be in playing shape. Enes Caner, 34, is, a 6'10" NBA center, who played professionally for 10 years is saying he is transgender for the right money. Polymaket gives him a 32% chance of being drafted as the top pick, which says something about betting these days. Both these guys look like buff dudes.

The WNBA commissioner, ,rather than declaring this a ruse (though both former players of course now have retained legal representation), indicated instead the issue of biological men playing in the WNBA is a "very nuanced issue." She said she was appointing a committee to study the issue. WNBA player eligibility rules are governed by a Collective Bargaining Agreement, meaning they aren't at the sole discretion of WNBA leadership, but the Commish did say "preserving the integrity of our game and ensuring fair competition will always remain among the league's highest priorities." I'm sure that gives everyone a clear picture of her thinking (sarcasm intended).

The WNBA players association released a statement insisting they will not be used as "political pawns" and condemning hate while calling for stronger Title IX protections, whatever that means in this context. It is not clear if tthe players want the WNBA to define "woman" by biology or open the door to biological men who would immediately dominate, or perhaps even develop some form of trans standard whereby trans players would have to meet some sort of criteria, which itself raises a lot of questions and consequences, and do away with the current standard of simple self- identification. But is clear the players do really, condemn hate.

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Hey, if it picks up the level of play and makes the product remotely watchable, this a shrewd business move. Barnum and Bailey that sh@it!
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This is what happens when people go overboard with all that.

A better test case would be a trans woman who has identified as such for a long time, passes whatever sort of hormone test they might think up and maybe has even had that junk chopped off down there. And she should be an average WNBA player: not someone who would dominate, but certainly would take a roster spot from a woman who was born as such.

But test cases like the two referenced are certainly interesting, as well.
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bearister said:

Hey, if it picks up the level of play and makes the product remotely watchable, this a shrewd business move. Barnum and Bailey that sh@it!

sorry for the non-sequiter: Trying to make sports more watchable? Start this at about one minute in - what if we add defense?
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This is not a serious thing and these guys are obviously doing it for political attention.

But yes, the league should have some kind of eligibility standard if it doesn't already. Legitimately have no idea if they do.
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sycasey said:

This is not a serious thing and these guys are obviously doing it for political attention.

But yes, the league should have some kind of eligibility standard if it doesn't already. Legitimately have no idea if they do.

apparently if you self-identify as trans you qualify. In White's case it clearly is politically motivated. The other guy hard to say. He made serious coin in the NBA and WNBA doesn't pay that well. Might be fronting for a lawyer looking for a case. With all the other headaches the WNBA had with Clark, reffing issues, etc. they don't need this wedge issue now.
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wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

This is not a serious thing and these guys are obviously doing it for political attention.

But yes, the league should have some kind of eligibility standard if it doesn't already. Legitimately have no idea if they do.

apparently if you self-identify as trans you qualify. In White's case it clearly is motivated. The other guy hard to say. He made serious coin in the NBA and WNBA doesn't pay that well. Might be fronting for a lawyer looking for a case. With all the other headaches the WNBA had with Clark, reffing issues, etc. they don't need this wedge issue now.

Well, just today, DiJonai Carrington clobbered Sophia Cunningham, pulling her down from behind by her neck while she was shooting a wide open layup, and, upon review, was given a flagrant 2 and ejected. She went on Threads after the game and posted "White Privilege."

In the same game, Caitlin Clark was bumped out of bounds by the defender while making a dime to a cutting forward from the baseline. Caitlin inadvertently bumped the rep and, instead of people talking about the nice pass, the ref stopped the play to give CC a technical foul for bumping her. This tech was immediately rescinded after the game because it was obvious to everybody but the ref that it was an accident.

Catty garbage.
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oski003 said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

This is not a serious thing and these guys are obviously doing it for political attention.

But yes, the league should have some kind of eligibility standard if it doesn't already. Legitimately have no idea if they do.

apparently if you self-identify as trans you qualify. In White's case it clearly is motivated. The other guy hard to say. He made serious coin in the NBA and WNBA doesn't pay that well. Might be fronting for a lawyer looking for a case. With all the other headaches the WNBA had with Clark, reffing issues, etc. they don't need this wedge issue now.

Well, just today, DiJonai Carrington clobbered Sophia Cunningham, pulling her down from behind by her neck while she was shooting a wide open layup, and, upon review, was given a flagrant 2 and ejected. She went on Threads after the game and posted "White Privilege."

In the same game, Caitlin Clark was bumped out of bounds by the defender while making a dime to a cutting forward from the baseline. Caitlin inadvertently bumped the rep and, instead of people talking about the nice pass, the ref stopped the play to give CC a technical foul for bumping her. This tech was immediately rescinded after the game because it was obvious to everybody but the ref that it was an accident.

Catty garbage.

DiJonai Carrington has had a rough life, what with attending private schools (including Stanfurd) and now being a regular victim of White Privilege. It's kinda like she's been in Gaza or South Sudan or something. I just hope she's okay.
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sycasey said:

This is not a serious thing and these guys are obviously doing it for political attention.

But yes, the league should have some kind of eligibility standard if it doesn't already. Legitimately have no idea if they do.


They are doing it to prove a point and I'd say they are already proving it well.
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This will be a disaster for their game and particularly their fan base, women and disproportionately lesbian. Inadvertently it may lead to some common sense
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Anarchistbear said:

This will be a disaster for their game and particularly their fan base, women and disproportionately lesbian. Inadvertently it may lead to some common sense

I love it precisely because in demonstrating the absurdity of the current rules it will force some common sense on people.

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oski003 said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

This is not a serious thing and these guys are obviously doing it for political attention.

But yes, the league should have some kind of eligibility standard if it doesn't already. Legitimately have no idea if they do.

apparently if you self-identify as trans you qualify. In White's case it clearly is motivated. The other guy hard to say. He made serious coin in the NBA and WNBA doesn't pay that well. Might be fronting for a lawyer looking for a case. With all the other headaches the WNBA had with Clark, reffing issues, etc. they don't need this wedge issue now.

Well, just today, DiJonai Carrington clobbered Sophia Cunningham, pulling her down from behind by her neck while she was shooting a wide open layup, and, upon review, was given a flagrant 2 and ejected. She went on Threads after the game and posted "White Privilege."

In the same game, Caitlin Clark was bumped out of bounds by the defender while making a dime to a cutting forward from the baseline. Caitlin inadvertently bumped the rep and, instead of people talking about the nice pass, the ref stopped the play to give CC a technical foul for bumping her. This tech was immediately rescinded after the game because it was obvious to everybody but the ref that it was an accident.

Catty garbage.
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The refs in the league are horrible. On top of that the league is largely played out like a reality tv show on social media where the drama bits are far more interesting than anything on the court.
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Yes, all these "controversies" are by design.

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cal83dls79 said:

oski003 said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

This is not a serious thing and these guys are obviously doing it for political attention.

But yes, the league should have some kind of eligibility standard if it doesn't already. Legitimately have no idea if they do.

apparently if you self-identify as trans you qualify. In White's case it clearly is motivated. The other guy hard to say. He made serious coin in the NBA and WNBA doesn't pay that well. Might be fronting for a lawyer looking for a case. With all the other headaches the WNBA had with Clark, reffing issues, etc. they don't need this wedge issue now.

Well, just today, DiJonai Carrington clobbered Sophia Cunningham, pulling her down from behind by her neck while she was shooting a wide open layup, and, upon review, was given a flagrant 2 and ejected. She went on Threads after the game and posted "White Privilege."

In the same game, Caitlin Clark was bumped out of bounds by the defender while making a dime to a cutting forward from the baseline. Caitlin inadvertently bumped the rep and, instead of people talking about the nice pass, the ref stopped the play to give CC a technical foul for bumping her. This tech was immediately rescinded after the game because it was obvious to everybody but the ref that it was an accident.

Catty garbage.
watch this if you want to put an icicle in your head:





The lady defending DiJonai ignores the fact you can easily put a full montage together of her hitting players in the head while attempting to block them from behind. DiJonai also notoriously directly poked CC in the eye last year while facing her head on. She is dangerously reckless. Someone needs to take her out back and kick her butt.
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cal83dls79 said:

The refs in the league are horrible. On top of that the league is largely played out like a reality tv show on social media where the drama bits are far more interesting than anything on the court.


Exactly.

It's terribly performative.
That's why I don't watch any of it or lose sleep over it.
Plenty of other high-quality sports to watch that aren't the WNBA.


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A Furd has had the best take on this and owned Royce on this. I thought Royce was afraid to fly on airplanes also?

https://nypost.com/2026/08/09/sports/robin-lopez-takes-shot-at-enes-kanter-royce-white-amid-unreal-wnba-claim/

Nice shot Robin!

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SBGold said:

A Furd has had the best take on this and owned Royce on this. I thought Royce was afraid to fly on airplanes also?

https://nypost.com/2026/08/09/sports/robin-lopez-takes-shot-at-enes-kanter-royce-white-amid-unreal-wnba-claim/

Nice shot Robin!

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Is it true Robbn Lopez really is Sideshow Bob?

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wifeisafurd said:

SBGold said:

A Furd has had the best take on this and owned Royce on this. I thought Royce was afraid to fly on airplanes also?

https://nypost.com/2026/08/09/sports/robin-lopez-takes-shot-at-enes-kanter-royce-white-amid-unreal-wnba-claim/

Nice shot Robin!

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Is it true Robbn Lopez really is Sideshow https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRobin_Lopez&ved=0CBYQjRxqFwoTCOj76peAlZYDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ&opi=89978449

He's a bit different, seems like a good guy though

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SBGold said:

wifeisafurd said:

SBGold said:

A Furd has had the best take on this and owned Royce on this. I thought Royce was afraid to fly on airplanes also?

https://nypost.com/2026/08/09/sports/robin-lopez-takes-shot-at-enes-kanter-royce-white-amid-unreal-wnba-claim/

Nice shot Robin!

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN

Is it true Robbn Lopez really is Sideshow https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRobin_Lopez&ved=0CBYQjRxqFwoTCOj76peAlZYDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ&opi=89978449

He's a bit different, seems like a good guy though

VOTE BLUE AND WELCOME HOME WAGS

Now hold on, Lopez has among others things:

  • Framed Krusty the Clown for a armed robbery
  • Stolen a nuclear bomb to hold Springfield hostage
  • Rigged a mayoral election using names of dead people
  • Tried to blow up the city and anyone in his way
  • Attempted to murder Bart repeatedly over the years.
  • Maybe you are right
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    Lol, well played
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    bearister said:

    Yes, all these "controversies" are by design.




    Lol
    That's what I was going to say!!
    People are talking about the WNBA.

    concordtom
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    This issue doesn't affect me or anyone else here.
    True?
    False?

    We could discuss my stamp collection, too, if people want to.
    sycasey
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    This seems a bit overboard.

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    cal83dls79 said:

    oski003 said:

    wifeisafurd said:

    sycasey said:

    This is not a serious thing and these guys are obviously doing it for political attention.

    But yes, the league should have some kind of eligibility standard if it doesn't already. Legitimately have no idea if they do.

    apparently if you self-identify as trans you qualify. In White's case it clearly is motivated. The other guy hard to say. He made serious coin in the NBA and WNBA doesn't pay that well. Might be fronting for a lawyer looking for a case. With all the other headaches the WNBA had with Clark, reffing issues, etc. they don't need this wedge issue now.

    Well, just today, DiJonai Carrington clobbered Sophia Cunningham, pulling her down from behind by her neck while she was shooting a wide open layup, and, upon review, was given a flagrant 2 and ejected. She went on Threads after the game and posted "White Privilege."

    In the same game, Caitlin Clark was bumped out of bounds by the defender while making a dime to a cutting forward from the baseline. Caitlin inadvertently bumped the rep and, instead of people talking about the nice pass, the ref stopped the play to give CC a technical foul for bumping her. This tech was immediately rescinded after the game because it was obvious to everybody but the ref that it was an accident.

    Catty garbage.

    watch this if you want to put an icicle in your head:




    Just gonna say, anybody that came across like that at the YMCA, there's a fight starting. Like that was flat out assault and ESPN trying to pretend that was some normal in game play was ridiculous. Even the "highlights" they tried to compare Carrington with before...it's not even close to the same kind of contact lol. ESPN should be embarrassed to have that put on TV.
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    Floriduh will never change, always Floriduh,

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    And with that, I declare this thread officially DEAD
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    concordtom said:

    This issue doesn't affect me or anyone else here.
    True?
    False?

    We could discuss my stamp collection, too, if people want to.

    It is a subject being discussed publicly, and I and others here happen to follow women's basketball, and some others want to say why they don't.

    If you don't think it is relevant, go somewhere else. Obviously the other posters on the thread had something to say. Who appointed you the God of what can be said or not said?
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    There is no Trump angle… yet
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    wifeisafurd said:

    concordtom said:

    This issue doesn't affect me or anyone else here.
    True?
    False?

    We could discuss my stamp collection, too, if people want to.

    It is a subject being discussed publicly, and I and others here happen to follow women's basketball, and some others want to say why they don't.

    If you don't think it is relevant, go somewhere else. Obviously the other posters on the thread had something to say. Who appointed you the God of what can be said or not said.?

    Your last sentence applies to many other posters on this board. As feisty as I get (and you and I have gotten into it), I never get into what people should or shouldn't post and I hate censorship.

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    concordtom said:

    This issue doesn't affect me or anyone else here.
    True?
    False?

    We could discuss my stamp collection, too, if people want to.


    Agreed. I don't understand the obsession with this info other than it is safe ground for people who are uncomfortable with trans people being publicly welcome in society.
    Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist
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    dajo9 said:

    concordtom said:

    This issue doesn't affect me or anyone else here.
    True?
    False?

    We could discuss my stamp collection, too, if people want to.

    Agreed. I don't understand the obsession with this info other than it is safe ground for people who are uncomfortable with trans people being publicly welcome in society.

    I coached girl's sports for over a decade. I also have a spouse that worked in the OR for sex change operations over 30 years ago. I fully appreciate that gender dysphoria is real. I also believe in protecting sports for biological females.

    I have absolutely zero issue with an adult person going through treatment programs to change their gender. I do have an issue with biological females being negatively impacted in any way when biological men transition. (I also believe there is a very serious / real mental health component that is being cast aside in the name of gender spectrums and self selection, and that is flat wrong). I have absolute issues with children making this decision, from schools coaching kids to do it, for parent rights being removed, etc. You can't vote until 18, drink until 21, own a gun until 21...but you can make irreversible life choices that will impact your entire life when you are say 14 and have an undeveloped brain. That is wrong.

    I just think there's a fundamental need for some common sense on this issue. Bathrooms and locker rooms are private zones where people rightly expect some fundamental things. That is not unreasonable. Likewise, I'm not sure there has been a single instance ever of a female transitioning to male, playing male sports and injuring boys or dominating the sport. Calling this stuff out is not de-facto being uncomfortable with trans people. It is saying that other people have rights too.
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    wifeisafurd said:

    concordtom said:

    This issue doesn't affect me or anyone else here.
    True?
    False?

    We could discuss my stamp collection, too, if people want to.

    It is a subject being discussed publicly, and I and others here happen to follow women's basketball, and some others want to say why they don't.

    If you don't think it is relevant, go somewhere else. Obviously the other posters on the thread had something to say. Who appointed you the God of what can be said or not said?


    It almost becomes laughable how you like to in recent years pick a fight with me.

    First of all, I didn't try to cease your discussion. In fact, I asked a question (true/false), which is an invitation to more discussion. Like, why don't you tell me why you care, or don't care. That's what the question was asking. Or leading you to - or so I thought.

    Second, the stamp collection comment was a bit of a mock, because I think it's funny how certain people of a certain bias (which is basically everyone this way or that way to degrees) just get all riled up about certain topics.

    Here's a bit of an outline:

    Economic supremacy:
    Border and foreign nationals… they are coming. Be afraid. Same group that got all hot and bothered when the Japanese economy (stock market valuations) was kicking butt and they were buying American assets like Rockefeller Center. Oooo, we believe in free trade and open markets, except when they come here. Tariffs, bureaucratic red tape, restrictions on foreign ownership.

    Different groups:
    Whites/blacks - this is fading, takes generations
    Trans/ - not yet comfortable with that
    Men/women - it's still a male dominated world.
    Religion - fear the Arabs!


    Doesn't matter if Obama was Christian or Muslim.
    Doesn't matter if two people like to have sex this way or that way. (How about oral sex still being a crime in some states).

    The conservative people like things to stay the same. That's the definition of conservative. Opposite of Liveral. Liberal people are more open to change. Being progressive means you accept change in effort to "pro-gress".

    Conservatives get bugged by things which affect status quo - EVEN IF IT NEVER AFFECTS THEM PERSONALLY! Because their sense of the world is impacted. Must be male or female, and only male/female part can go together.

    This same group overwhelmingly excuses Jan 6 soft coup attempt because they are psychologically wed to the culpable party.

    So, it's a mindset.

    But, hey, I'm not here to bash YOU!
    I leave it as an open question. Why do you care?

    Maybe it's because you are a lawyer and you are fascinated by how laws get written.
    So, let me be more specific , since we all agree that Enes Cantor does not belong and will never play in the WNBA. So the question to you is, how would you write policy to distinguish between men and women for the purpose of sports competition?
    And I want you to consider specifically the cases of Brittany Griner, and caster Sumanya of South Africa, the track star, who apparently has female body parts, but produces other male things, such as testosterone and an Adam's apple.
    I don't know what Brittany Griner has going on under the shorts are inside her body, but clearly neither of these athletes are purely men nor purely women.

    So tell us, counselor, how do you write laws for people like them?
    Considering the Huge percentage of WNBA players who identify as something other than straight, heterosexual, I think there's a large enough population that we need some new sort of categorization for these people in our society. What do you think?

    My apologies for being flippant and short in my prior post here. I guess I was just a little surprised that we have another thread. That is all hot and bothered about this small group of people in society that probably is never going to affect you nor I nor anybody else here. But since we're all excited about it, let's deal with it. You're the lawyer. Take the first stab.
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    Visibility Over Time:

    When the WNBA began in 1997, virtually no players were publicly out. Cultural shifts have made the league a welcoming space for visible LGBTQ+ representation, with prominent stars openly identifying as part of the community.

    All-Star Representation:
    Out athletes often hold a higher visible percentage at marquee showcase events; for instance, nearly 45% of the players in the WNBA All-Star Game roster were publicly out as LGBTQ+.
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    dajo9 said:

    concordtom said:

    This issue doesn't affect me or anyone else here.
    True?
    False?

    We could discuss my stamp collection, too, if people want to.


    Agreed. I don't understand the obsession with this info other than it is safe ground for people who are uncomfortable with trans people being publicly welcome in society.


    Bingo.
    This was my stance.
    Ooh, here we are again!

    I suspect some folks don't actually care about the wnba, but they do care about the broader implications of protecting the status quo, which works for them! This is the world/cultural order they grew up in and feel comfortable with.


    And it's funny how that happens. Even against self interest. There were lots of free blacks after the Civil War and emancipation, proclamation, and constitutional amendment, declaring them equal, who continued to subject themselves to the old ways of social structure, hierarchy, because they simply did not know better and could not adapt their lives to function differently.

    Interesting! I just labeled certain groups of black slaves as conservatives. Ha! Conservatism can be a thing on the status quo works for you or against you. It speaks to habits, subconscious framing of which we are all affected by operate from.
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