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I like CA a lot. It's just too expensive. I'm sorry you think it's a cesspool. It's not, as a matter of fact from Austin to The Piney Woods is beautiful and forested. Houston is built in a forest. If you dislike Texas for its politics, I do too. It's lethal here, but every state has it.

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I went the other way around. I lived in Texas as a little kid, before moving to California, where I grew up. I have some fond memories of Texas, but am glad I left. I visited Texas for work a couple times in the early 2000s; I was glad for the trips back to Texas but even more glad to be flying back to California.

For one, humidity is not my friend. For another, the natural beauty of California dwarfs that found in Texas*. Also, California has all four seasons within driving distance.

Finally, the food scene in California is the best. I can have pastrami breakfast burritos in the morning, goulash for lunch, and doro wat for dinner followed by a nightcap of California wines. Don't get me wrong, Texas BBQ is the best and Texmex is also fantastic, but the melting pot of cuisines and cultures in California is nonpareil.

Sure, there's plenty California doesn't get quite right. The cost of living is also ridiculous! But overall, California is about as close to paradise as I've found.

*Is there anything to rival Yosemite? That's one of the most beautiful spots on God's green earth, IMHO.

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Well I agree on the CA vs Texas comparison, especially the weather.

But CA doesn't have the best food scene in the world. Start with Italy. San Sebastin, France, etc.

And Yosemite is awesome, but it isn't the Grand Canyon, the Alps, the Great Ocean road, Patagonia, New Zealand Alps (think the Lord of the Ring Trilogy) and I could go on.

Nothing wrong with being a boomer for where you live, but let's not get crazy.

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If you're limiting good food to just European cuisine, you're absolutely missing out. Italian and French food are definitely good, but they aren't nearly the best IMHO. One of the drawbacks with eating in Italy or France is the dearth of variety. While there's excellent French food in France and also excellent Italian food in Italy, it's hard to find excellent Italian food in France or excellent French food in Italy, let alone at reasonable prices.

California, OTOH, has excellent cuisines from all around the world, and all at reasonable prices. Heck, we even have pizza trucks that make traditional Neapolitan pizzas! If just for the culinary options alone, I would much rather live in California than anywhere else in the world.

Also, I've been to the Grand Canyon and it's little more than a giant hole in the ground. Seriously, though, I've visited the Grand Canyon many times, but Yosemite is on a whole other level. It has a different personality for each of the four seasons. The same can't really be said about the Grand Canyon. As for the Alps, i've never been but I really don't see the appeal as a non-skiier/hiker. If there are other reasons to visit, please feel free to enlighten me (I mean this entirely seriously). As for Patagonia, I'd love to visit there some day. That looks like a gorgeous spot of Earth, as well.

That said, none of these spots are in Texas. IIRC, we were comparing the relative pros and cons of Texas with those of California.

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Agreed about Yosemite being better than the Grand Canyon but Yellowstone is better than both.

But you are missing out on the Alps. In the Alps you can take aerial cable cars or underground trams up to mountain towns that have no private cars. Then a short walk into a valley where a small family owned restaurant will serve you and dozens of other travelers great wine, cheese, and food with a majestic view. In America the spot would probably have a McDonalds.

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I may just have to visit the Alps at some point? Any one in particular you'd recommend?

Also, I've visited Yellowstone. While it was gorgeous in some places, a lot of it was just about the hot springs. While I liked them well enough, it also meant I really couldn't wander around Yellowstone as I could Yosemite. Also, the sulphur smell I could do without.

For me, Yosemite wins hands down. Zion National Park is another gorgeous spot, and one I'd like to explore more sometime. But Yosemite stole my heart.

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Yellowstone is huge and hot springs are just a small part of it. I camped and wandered the backwoods of Yellostone for a week with no hot springs around. Sorry your visit wasn't as enjoyable.

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Texas and California are both great and both are examples of how the decentralized system in the US can create different economic powerhouses with different approaches but the major approach has been the same- business rules.

Both have relied on immigration to sustain this, both domestic and international with Texas now eclipsing CA because of costs.

Both have diverse cultures- Texas more African American and Latino; California more Asian and Latino.

Both have great places of beauty and recreation but California gets the clear edge from ocean to desert .

Texas wins music. Football isn't close. You can eat well in both.

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I agree with most of your points, but beg to differ as to music. It really depends on what kind of music one likes. When it comes to classical, California wins hands down. Back in the 80s and 90s, California also won re rap and hip hop (I'm not sure now as I no longer regularly follow/listen to rap/hip hop). For country, Texas definitely has an edge, but California isn't that far behind with Stagecoach, Bakersfield, and the rural areas up and down the state.

As for other music, at least my generation had something called the Orange County music scene that gave us bands like the Offspring, No Doubt, and Save Ferris. I'm hard pressed to think of anything similar from Texas. Of course, personally, I would also want to remind you that California also gave the world Carlos Santana and the Beach Boys. Also, since this is a Cal board, I'm going to pull the trump card and remind you that Counting Crows was formed in Berkeley (with fellow Cal alum Adam Duritz as lead vocals).

Ultimately, I think the music point goes to California, not Texas. Especially for a Cal fan board!

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Now you have really done it. On a Cal board discussing music and no reference to the Dead? Blasphemy!

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Mea culpa!

Seriously, though, I did consider adding in the Dead but I wasn't sure if they were from California. I kind of assumed a couple of them were, but I wasn't positive. Thanks for letting me know that they're a Californian band, though!

So does the Dead being a Californian group swing your vote on music to California?

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Okay, a political answer here: for me yes, I like classic rock and there are just so many classic rock acts that developed in CA that it has the edge: the Eagles, the Dead, CC&R, The Doors, Beach Boys, Go-Gos. Jefferson Airplane/Starship and I could just go on and on. But I understand that people into other musical genres may lean to Texas. Depends on what you listen to.

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If you like country then Texas may win. But if you like classic rock or hip hop or new wave or heavy metal or glam rock or punk or pop or grunge then CA wins.

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I agree with this, but would add Texas is known for its particular type of blues scene with guys like ZZ Topp, Stevie Ray Vaughan, T-bone Walker and the like, admittedly, not my thing, and I'm told by some younger relatives who have Latin blood, a form of Tejano popularized by the likes of Selena, that gets played when I visit. Again, not my thing.

What do think about these songs with a Latin flavor to them:

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1989

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I like CA a lot. It's just too expensive. I'm sorry you think it's a cesspool. It's not, as a matter of fact from Austin to The Piney Woods is beautiful and forested. Houston is built in a forest. If you dislike Texas for its politics, I do too. It's lethal here, but every state has it.

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I went the other way around. I lived in Texas as a little kid, before moving to California, where I grew up. I have some fond memories of Texas, but am glad I left. I visited Texas for work a couple times in the early 2000s; I was glad for the trips back to Texas but even more glad to be flying back to California.

For one, humidity is not my friend. For another, the natural beauty of California dwarfs that found in Texas*. Also, California has all four seasons within driving distance.

Finally, the food scene in California is the best. I can have pastrami breakfast burritos in the morning, goulash for lunch, and doro wat for dinner followed by a nightcap of California wines. Don't get me wrong, Texas BBQ is the best and Texmex is also fantastic, but the melting pot of cuisines and cultures in California is nonpareil.

Sure, there's plenty California doesn't get quite right. The cost of living is also ridiculous! But overall, California is about as close to paradise as I've found.

*Is there anything to rival Yosemite? That's one of the most beautiful spots on God's green earth, IMHO.

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Well I agree on the CA vs Texas comparison, especially the weather.

But CA doesn't have the best food scene in the world. Start with Italy. San Sebastin, France, etc.

And Yosemite is awesome, but it isn't the Grand Canyon, the Alps, the Great Ocean road, Patagonia, New Zealand Alps (think the Lord of the Ring Trilogy) and I could go on.

Nothing wrong with being a boomer for where you live, but let's not get crazy.

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If you're limiting good food to just European cuisine, you're absolutely missing out. Italian and French food are definitely good, but they aren't nearly the best IMHO. One of the drawbacks with eating in Italy or France is the dearth of variety. While there's excellent French food in France and also excellent Italian food in Italy, it's hard to find excellent Italian food in France or excellent French food in Italy, let alone at reasonable prices.

California, OTOH, has excellent cuisines from all around the world, and all at reasonable prices. Heck, we even have pizza trucks that make traditional Neapolitan pizzas! If just for the culinary options alone, I would much rather live in California than anywhere else in the world.

Also, I've been to the Grand Canyon and it's little more than a giant hole in the ground. Seriously, though, I've visited the Grand Canyon many times, but Yosemite is on a whole other level. It has a different personality for each of the four seasons. The same can't really be said about the Grand Canyon. As for the Alps, i've never been but I really don't see the appeal as a non-skiier/hiker. If there are other reasons to visit, please feel free to enlighten me (I mean this entirely seriously). As for Patagonia, I'd love to visit there some day. That looks like a gorgeous spot of Earth, as well.

That said, none of these spots are in Texas. IIRC, we were comparing the relative pros and cons of Texas with those of California.

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Agreed about Yosemite being better than the Grand Canyon but Yellowstone is better than both.

But you are missing out on the Alps. In the Alps you can take aerial cable cars or underground trams up to mountain towns that have no private cars. Then a short walk into a valley where a small family owned restaurant will serve you and dozens of other travelers great wine, cheese, and food with a majestic view. In America the spot would probably have a McDonalds.

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I may just have to visit the Alps at some point? Any one in particular you'd recommend?

Also, I've visited Yellowstone. While it was gorgeous in some places, a lot of it was just about the hot springs. While I liked them well enough, it also meant I really couldn't wander around Yellowstone as I could Yosemite. Also, the sulphur smell I could do without.

For me, Yosemite wins hands down. Zion National Park is another gorgeous spot, and one I'd like to explore more sometime. But Yosemite stole my heart.

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The Alps cover a huge area. The French Alps, the Swiss Alps, the German/Austrian Alps and the Italian alps tend to be different due to cultural leanings (and the Swiss Alps themselves have several different cultural leanings). And the Alps even get to Slovenia, which is a beautiful country. My favorite place is the Bernese Oberland, which is insanely dramatic and accessible due to gondolas and railways. But what area you will like best depends on budget, travel style, if you want to participate in sports or outdoor adventure, enjoy luxury, you are a foodie (go to France or Italy) etc.

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Yup, when people mention visiting the Alps, I always wonder which particular part they mean exactly because it crosses so many borders. I'm not into skiing, but I do enjoy being out in nature; hikes to waterfalls or running water are my thing. But I'm also a foodie who loves trying different foods, with a preference for trying what locals eat.

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I like CA a lot. It's just too expensive. I'm sorry you think it's a cesspool. It's not, as a matter of fact from Austin to The Piney Woods is beautiful and forested. Houston is built in a forest. If you dislike Texas for its politics, I do too. It's lethal here, but every state has it.

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I went the other way around. I lived in Texas as a little kid, before moving to California, where I grew up. I have some fond memories of Texas, but am glad I left. I visited Texas for work a couple times in the early 2000s; I was glad for the trips back to Texas but even more glad to be flying back to California.

For one, humidity is not my friend. For another, the natural beauty of California dwarfs that found in Texas*. Also, California has all four seasons within driving distance.

Finally, the food scene in California is the best. I can have pastrami breakfast burritos in the morning, goulash for lunch, and doro wat for dinner followed by a nightcap of California wines. Don't get me wrong, Texas BBQ is the best and Texmex is also fantastic, but the melting pot of cuisines and cultures in California is nonpareil.

Sure, there's plenty California doesn't get quite right. The cost of living is also ridiculous! But overall, California is about as close to paradise as I've found.

*Is there anything to rival Yosemite? That's one of the most beautiful spots on God's green earth, IMHO.

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Well I agree on the CA vs Texas comparison, especially the weather.

But CA doesn't have the best food scene in the world. Start with Italy. San Sebastin, France, etc.

And Yosemite is awesome, but it isn't the Grand Canyon, the Alps, the Great Ocean road, Patagonia, New Zealand Alps (think the Lord of the Ring Trilogy) and I could go on.

Nothing wrong with being a boomer for where you live, but let's not get crazy.

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If you're limiting good food to just European cuisine, you're absolutely missing out. Italian and French food are definitely good, but they aren't nearly the best IMHO. One of the drawbacks with eating in Italy or France is the dearth of variety. While there's excellent French food in France and also excellent Italian food in Italy, it's hard to find excellent Italian food in France or excellent French food in Italy, let alone at reasonable prices.

California, OTOH, has excellent cuisines from all around the world, and all at reasonable prices. Heck, we even have pizza trucks that make traditional Neapolitan pizzas! If just for the culinary options alone, I would much rather live in California than anywhere else in the world.

Also, I've been to the Grand Canyon and it's little more than a giant hole in the ground. Seriously, though, I've visited the Grand Canyon many times, but Yosemite is on a whole other level. It has a different personality for each of the four seasons. The same can't really be said about the Grand Canyon. As for the Alps, i've never been but I really don't see the appeal as a non-skiier/hiker. If there are other reasons to visit, please feel free to enlighten me (I mean this entirely seriously). As for Patagonia, I'd love to visit there some day. That looks like a gorgeous spot of Earth, as well.

That said, none of these spots are in Texas. IIRC, we were comparing the relative pros and cons of Texas with those of California.

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Agreed about Yosemite being better than the Grand Canyon but Yellowstone is better than both.

But you are missing out on the Alps. In the Alps you can take aerial cable cars or underground trams up to mountain towns that have no private cars. Then a short walk into a valley where a small family owned restaurant will serve you and dozens of other travelers great wine, cheese, and food with a majestic view. In America the spot would probably have a McDonalds.

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I may just have to visit the Alps at some point? Any one in particular you'd recommend?

Also, I've visited Yellowstone. While it was gorgeous in some places, a lot of it was just about the hot springs. While I liked them well enough, it also meant I really couldn't wander around Yellowstone as I could Yosemite. Also, the sulphur smell I could do without.

For me, Yosemite wins hands down. Zion National Park is another gorgeous spot, and one I'd like to explore more sometime. But Yosemite stole my heart.

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Yellowstone is huge and hot springs are just a small part of it. I camped and wandered the backwoods of Yellostone for a week with no hot springs around. Sorry your visit wasn't as enjoyable.

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I enjoyed my visit and want to go back, but really so I can go fishing there. To be clear, I'm not saying Yellowstone sucks nor am I complaining about it. Rather, I enjoyed myself more at Yosemite than I did at Yellowstone and I thought Yosemite was also more beautiful .

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California High School Football

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He didn't say there weren't good teams in California. If you're arguing the level of support for HS FB is the same in California as the states mentioned then you're highly confused.

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I simply posted photos of one of the greatest high school teams in history 151 - 0.

I'm not arguing anything.
You are.

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As a rival who beat DLS before their streak, I say F DLS. they tried to recruit our RB after he run through them. Low class, he said "how'd you like to go to a real school next year?" F Off. My high school wipes yours up, down, left, right, and everywhere in between.

They just recruit athletes and are attractive to wealthier folks who'd otherwise end up at nearby questionable schools.

It's not a horrible place to matriculate. I'm not saying that, but I'm not giving them TOO much credit when I know how they operate. Coach Lad, with his team unity? Yes, high praise, and that's a much bigger deal than what I'm complaining about. But let's be real, their deck is stacked vs all other schools they beat. They have kids commuting from far away - the radius is a joke.

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I have cousins in Texas.
They all were very desirous to leave TX their whole lives, but they never did simply because home is home - for everyone everywhere.

But I've listened to them complain about how horrible TX is in various ways, but especially the weather.

They come to CA and just rave about how awesome it is. And then tell me about the summers with 90 consecutive days above 100.

As far as cost goes…. If you can get yourself some CA salaried jobs then you can afford it better. It also helps to have rooted yourself with housing a while back. I DO feel bad for young folks, hard to get a foothold.

But let's not pretend about how awesome living in TX is. No thx.

As for people's love of football in hs.
Whatever. Does that move the needle?

And what is the marginal gain to society about that?

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You're on a college football fan forum and ask what the marginal gain of football to society is? You must start with the gain to society of billions in pro team wealth and revenue? Then, college team wealth and revenue and supply of players to pro teams, then wealth and revenue to the high school teams that supply the colleges. Not to mention the joy and SOCIAL interaction of its adherents. You do get that, don't you?

That leads to the comparison between TX and CA in re the value of social interaction around fandom and merch. How many CA hs stadia are filled with 20,000+ fans on Friday nights? How many Californians patronize local businesses because of their financial support of the local hs? I could go on, but if you are still of your opinion after reading this far, nothing I could say further would make a difference.

I appreciate your reply, but just because something makes money doesn't mean it's good.

Lots of people make money selling drugs, or bombs.

I think it's GREAT that people gather publicly at games. Social cohesion. Great point.
But spending so much budgetary income on the stadiums? Hmmm.
Lots of communities build public stadiums and those are money losers. To the pro team owners' advantage.
I don't know if hs stadium construction takes from libraries and computers on campus, but I do know that Al Davis' PSL scheme took from police and libraries and schools.

I also think we've lost the focus on head injuries with football. I can't really look the other way on that.

I think it's awesome playing team sports! But sometimes we Americans take things too far. The pressure on youngsters, or the lionization of a person just because they can run fast can distort what it takes to live a successful life. (Or, it can help lift a person up, too!)

Anyways, I like the discussion.

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So now you're conflating RACE with the nicest place to live?

Got it.

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The Diablo Valley sucks no matter what race.

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And where do you live that is so much nicer?

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Berkeley

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Looks like we share similar demographics.
Thanks for pointing that out.



U.S. Census Bureau QuickFacts: Berkeley city, California

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You're not a racist, just uninformed.

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The data clearly says otherwise.

62% of students are minorities or people of color (BIPOC)

Diablo Valley College Diversity & Student Demographics

Berkeley.

Tons of diversity!



Right there with AUSTIN, TEXAS