There is still a very interesting realignment going on in American politics and I have no idea where it will land.

Democrats obviously have a very unpopular older leadership class and a base that is agitating for younger leadership. The further-left types like Mamdani and AOC get the most attention but there are more centrist types gaining traction too (Ossoff, Buttigieg). I could see one of many factions winning out in the next primary season.

Meanwhile, Republicans have only one Trump and he only barely wins anyway. The candidates that have tried to mimic Trump's approach have underperformed, and Trump himself has not proven to be a particularly effective kingmaker in competitive downballot races. No idea where they go next.

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Except who replaces one-of-a-kind Trump? JD Vance, Rubio?

Trump appeals to disaffected blue collar Americans, Latinos, and African American men.

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Trump's ideas are largely popular. That's not changing. They'll have a big deficit on the Popular/personality part of the ledger with Rs/Independents. And there's a segment of the R party that isn't MAGA; they'll see this as an opportunity to move the party in their direction

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Securing the border is popular with most Americans. I'm not sure about amnesty, which is unpopular with MAGA. The Democrats can run on those two issues and if they win, pretend everything is fine when they open the border again. My guess is they'll find a Latino male candidate to convince voters of their new platform.

MAGA Going to Israel for Propaganda Training https://t.co/RiwNsrTxtM

The Israeli government is paying to have 16 MAGA social media influencers with millions of followers brought to Israel to learn how to stop American youth from turning against it over Gaza, writes Joe…

— Joe Lauria (@unjoe) July 21, 2025

Are you really all that surprised?

Trump is just as DEEP STATE as any previous President before him.
His followers got duped.

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Are you really all that surprised?

Trump is just as DEEP STATE as any previous President before him.
His followers got duped.

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Agreed, and no, not all that surprised overall, but the 180 degree "Epstein hoax" gaslighting has been something else...

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DiabloWags said:

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Are you really all that surprised?

Trump is just as DEEP STATE as any previous President before him.
His followers got duped.

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Agreed, and no, not all that surprised overall, but the 180 degree "Epstein hoax" gaslighting has been something else...

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I agree 100%

“A nation can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely. He rots the soul of a nation.” pic.twitter.com/5dZ746H016

— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) July 20, 2025

Caption this.... pic.twitter.com/nCevBrzj1e

— Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧 (@TRobinsonNewEra) July 21, 2025

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“A nation can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely. He rots the soul of a nation.” pic.twitter.com/5dZ746H016

— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) July 20, 2025

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We need to circle back to the SCOTUS decision on Presidential immunity. From memory, I believe the court established a basic test that actions that are clearly within the President's job duties cannot lead to criminality. National Security is clearly a in a President's scope of responsibilities. Unless there is some paper trail where Obama pretty directly orders someone to use the IC apparatus for illegal purposes it is difficult to see how Obama is at risk. Short that paper trail someone from the ICA inner circle (Comey, et al) would have to flip. That is not happening.

Harry Da Souza has a name for guys like James Woods.

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We need to circle back to the SCOTUS decision on Presidential immunity. From memory, I believe the court established a basic test that actions that are clearly within the President's job duties cannot lead to criminality. National Security is clearly a in a President's scope of responsibilities. Unless there is some paper trail where Obama pretty directly orders someone to use the IC apparatus for illegal purposes it is difficult to see how Obama is at risk. Short that paper trail someone from the ICA inner circle (Comey, et al) would have to flip. That is not happening.

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Can Obama claim Presidential Immunity?

Yes

Will he?

Yes

Does it matter?

No

Let him defend himself in court and financially and psychologically dragged through the court system like thousands of conservatives had to over the past 4 years

The only difference he committed…

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) July 21, 2025

The point is to drag Obama into the court of public opinion and convict him there. Boomer Democrats and others still think Russia collusion is real. See Bill Maher.

The anger behind the J6 protestors is real. This stuff doesn't go away until people are behind bars or else the Democrats will do it again.
Trump can chew gum and walk at the same time, he can pursue justice while growing the economy.

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We need to circle back to the SCOTUS decision on Presidential immunity. From memory, I believe the court established a basic test that actions that are clearly within the President's job duties cannot lead to criminality. National Security is clearly a in a President's scope of responsibilities. Unless there is some paper trail where Obama pretty directly orders someone to use the IC apparatus for illegal purposes it is difficult to see how Obama is at risk. Short that paper trail someone from the ICA inner circle (Comey, et al) would have to flip. That is not happening.

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Can Obama claim Presidential Immunity?

Yes

Will he?

Yes

Does it matter?

No

Let him defend himself in court and financially and psychologically dragged through the court system like thousands of conservatives had to over the past 4 years

The only difference he committed…

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) July 21, 2025

The point is to drag Obama into the court of public opinion and convict him there. Boomer Democrats and others still think Russia collusion is real. See Bill Maher.

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It has been many moons since law school so I am more than a little rusty on my Criminal Procedure but I don't know that this ever sees the inside of a courtroom. Obama would claim his immunity and in one form or another the prosecution would have to overcome that affirmative defense, which likely means some sort of pre-trial proffer of evidence. But that gets us back to some sort of documentary evidence or one of the insider's flipping.

"Let him defend himself in court and financially and psychologically dragged through the court system like thousands of conservatives had to over the past 4 years."

The difference being that those conservatives were actually guilty of crimes and either pled guilty or were convicted by a jury.

Republican investigations of alleged criminal conduct on behalf of Democrats always end up being multi million dollar bridges to nowhere on the taxpayers' dime.

*"The GOP spent over $82 million of our money on four Clinton-related scandals pushed by Republican lawmakers, leading to the independent counsel's report that concluded the evidence was insufficient to bring charges.

A total of 10 House and Senate committees all with an unlimited budget spent $8,000 a day on the Benghazi hearings, spending a total of approximately $22 million. That makes a total of about $100 million spent by Republicans on hearings and investigations into Hillary Clinton without anything to show for it.

And if that wasn't enough, then began a year-long investigation by the FBI of her e-mails when she was secretary of state that ended with a report that "no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges." This wasted north of $20 million, according to the conservative online magazine American Thinker."
https://www.gainesville.com/story/opinion/columns/more-voices/2019/02/21/june-girard-millions-wasted-on-investigations-of-clinton/5892210007/

"The Durham report, officially titled "Report on Matters Related to Intelligence Activities and Related Matters," cost taxpayers over $6.5 million, according to a statement from the Senate Committee on the Judiciary. This figure represents the total expenses incurred by Special Counsel John Durham's investigation into the origins of the FBI's Russia probe. The investigation itself spanned several years, with Durham appointed as special counsel in 2020. "
AI Overview

Starving old man in Gaza spent his last breath waiting to get his first meal in days.

An elderly Palestinian man collapsed and died while waiting in line for food aid in Gaza, his frail body a haunting symbol of the starvation crisis inflicted by Israel’s months-long blockade. Witnesses say he hadn’t eaten in days. He died clutching an empty bowl.#GazaStarving… pic.twitter.com/z0NhGzPN2c

— OnePath Network (@OnePathNetwork) July 21, 2025

Hunter miffed that his art sales dried up? How long will his gal stick around now?

WATCH: Hunter Biden says Nancy Pelosi drove his father out of the Presidential race
pic.twitter.com/0lxs203NXK

— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) July 21, 2025

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“A nation can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely. He rots the soul of a nation.” pic.twitter.com/5dZ746H016

— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) July 20, 2025

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We need to circle back to the SCOTUS decision on Presidential immunity. From memory, I believe the court established a basic test that actions that are clearly within the President's job duties cannot lead to criminality. National Security is clearly a in a President's scope of responsibilities. Unless there is some paper trail where Obama pretty directly orders someone to use the IC apparatus for illegal purposes it is difficult to see how Obama is at risk. Short that paper trail someone from the ICA inner circle (Comey, et al) would have to flip. That is not happening.

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ODNI Director Tulsi Gabbard's info dump supports the previous work of alternative media and Internet sleuths. Months of PDB's revealed no Russian threat or capability to affect our elections. Then a PDB was pulled, a "sensitive" top-level White House meeting was called, and Gabbard asserts Obama directed his IC staff to fabricate a Russia Hoax.

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I understand the underlying assertions. A president has immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts within his constitutional authority. Broad swaths of presidential conduct here are likely to be covered by immunity. DOJ would have to be able to conclusively prove conduct that goes beyond official acts, like, say Conspiracy. But they have to prove it. Did Obama sign a memo ordering the IC to get Trump? Short of that or one of the insiders flipping Obama is in the clear.

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Hunter miffed that his art sales dried up? How long will his gal stick around now?

WATCH: Hunter Biden says Nancy Pelosi drove his father out of the Presidential race
pic.twitter.com/0lxs203NXK

— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) July 21, 2025

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I read some of his comments. It's pretty hilarious that this man, of all people, is complaining about other people "dining out" on their relationship with a President.

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presidential relatives, lol,,, rarely are they helping

in this case they've basically demolished Biden's legacy from his first three years, which was pretty good... people gonna remember the last year

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“A nation can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely. He rots the soul of a nation.” pic.twitter.com/5dZ746H016

— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) July 20, 2025

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We need to circle back to the SCOTUS decision on Presidential immunity. From memory, I believe the court established a basic test that actions that are clearly within the President's job duties cannot lead to criminality. National Security is clearly a in a President's scope of responsibilities. Unless there is some paper trail where Obama pretty directly orders someone to use the IC apparatus for illegal purposes it is difficult to see how Obama is at risk. Short that paper trail someone from the ICA inner circle (Comey, et al) would have to flip. That is not happening.

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ODNI Director Tulsi Gabbard's info dump supports the previous work of alternative media and Internet sleuths. Months of PDB's revealed no Russian threat or capability to affect our elections. Then a PDB was pulled, a "sensitive" top-level White House meeting was called, and Gabbard asserts Obama directed his IC staff to fabricate a Russia Hoax.

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I understand the underlying assertions. A president has immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts within his constitutional authority. Broad swaths of presidential conduct here are likely to be covered by immunity. DOJ would have to be able to conclusively prove conduct that goes beyond official acts, like, say Conspiracy. But they have to prove it. Did Obama sign a memo ordering the IC to get Trump? Short of that or one of the insiders flipping Obama is in the clear.

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I would think the DOJ would also be looking for evidence created after Obama's presidency ended, anything he said or written that would suggest some kind of coverup would not be protected by immunity.

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Bingo.

NEW: “Scarf Lady” Dr. Deborah Birx admits 85% of global aid NEVER reached the countries it was supposed to help.

“Do these programs actually become programs that [help local communities]? Or are we going to say we have to have the old model where, frankly, 85% of the resources… pic.twitter.com/jAAknzGIFs

— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) July 22, 2025

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Per Rubio 12 cents of every dollar reaches aid recipients. 12 cents. The model is beyond broken. And that doesn't even account for all the programs that are not "aid" but instead are social engineer abroad, or the NGO corruption.

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NGIC.