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concordtom
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dajo9 said:

LudwigsFountain said:

concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

In my humble opinion this is the stupidest idea since 50 year mortgage loans. Trump is really on a heater for horrible policy ideas.

For fun, assuming a 50 year old single person before subsidies...
  • My employer plan (Regence): $950 a month
  • ACA Silver Plan: $600 a month




Did I just say this?

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/america-path-38-trillion-national-140000583.html


America's path out of $38 trillion national debt crisis likely involves pushing up inflation and 'eroding Fed independence,' says JPMorgan Private Bank

Likely? I'd say assuredly. The estimates of the combined unfunded liability for Medicare and Social Security range from 75 to 125 TRILLION dollars. There will be adjustments around the edges, but we won't allow wholesale changes. We can't raise taxes enough to leave them as is. Only out is inflation


You folks are very uncreative


I know, right?
Crypto!! The dollar replacement
Make it official and abandon the dollar. That'd work.
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concordtom said:

dajo9 said:

LudwigsFountain said:

concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

In my humble opinion this is the stupidest idea since 50 year mortgage loans. Trump is really on a heater for horrible policy ideas.

For fun, assuming a 50 year old single person before subsidies...
  • My employer plan (Regence): $950 a month
  • ACA Silver Plan: $600 a month




Did I just say this?

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/america-path-38-trillion-national-140000583.html


America's path out of $38 trillion national debt crisis likely involves pushing up inflation and 'eroding Fed independence,' says JPMorgan Private Bank

Likely? I'd say assuredly. The estimates of the combined unfunded liability for Medicare and Social Security range from 75 to 125 TRILLION dollars. There will be adjustments around the edges, but we won't allow wholesale changes. We can't raise taxes enough to leave them as is. Only out is inflation


You folks are very uncreative


I know, right?
Crypto!! The dollar replacement
Make it official and abandon the dollar. That'd work.


The best thing we could do for our national finances is go to a national healthcare system, like Bill Maher's shining examples of capitalism have - South Korea and Poland.

We also need better wages at the lower end so our economy can grow out of this mess. That's what our socialist grandparents like Truman and Eisenhower did.

Unfortunately the problem is so bad that high marginal income tax rates at the extreme high end will no longer cut it. We also need a wealth tax.
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AI Bubble Popping.

People have finally figured out that earnings will be inflated from an extended depreciation schedule for servers that don't last more than 18 months to 2 years.

SPX and NAZ didn't make a higher high.
Rolling over.









Nvidia reports Wednesday
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Feels like Trump's economy is not going well
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It's the scale of this that this overstatement of useful life that is troublesome. From my experience lifetimes were constructs determined by the accounting folk but generally overstated and hard to fit into broad tech definitions available at that time (hardware, software etc) and that don't do justice to the specific technology. Uncertainty is at an all time high (go figure), I know that.
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I remember when pro-assisted suicide told us it was only going to be used to end suffering from these terrible terminal illnesses. Well, that era was short lived. Now it's cause "We wanted to die together".

Twins assisted suicide because they just wanted to.
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AI Overview: In Canada, 15,343 people received medical assistance in dying (MAID) in 2023, which is the most recent full year with available data. Since legalization in 2016, a total of 60,301 MAID provisions have been reported. MAID accounted for 4.7% of all deaths in Canada in 2023."
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movielover said:

AI Overview: In Canada, 15,343 people received medical assistance in dying (MAID) in 2023, which is the most recent full year with available data. Since legalization in 2016, a total of 60,301 MAID provisions have been reported. MAID accounted for 4.7% of all deaths in Canada in 2023."


The real handMAID's dystopian tale.
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SO MUCH WINNING!

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MinotStateBeav said:

I remember when pro-assisted suicide told us it was only going to be used to end suffering from these terrible terminal illnesses. Well, that era was short lived. Now it's cause "We wanted to die together".

Twins assisted suicide because they just wanted to.

I don't know who put forth that argument, but explain to me what the problem is here cause I have zero objection to this.
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movielover said:

San Ramon High Schools are looking to copy Dublin High, and others, in adding "Equity Grading". A missed test equals a 50% score, homework isn't graded, tests can be taken multiple times, etc.

There are misconceptions about "equity grading", but if you understand it, it's probably a good thing. Some possible flaws, of course, just like everything else.

Example of possible flaw: Lazy teacher lets students retake tests and then gives them the exact same test (so students just memorize the answers). I have seen this and it is just cringe-worthy. Good God, at the very minimum, change the order of the questions and the order of the choices (in a multiple choice test). Should be a different test that tests for the same learning objectives.
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Aunburdened said:

MinotStateBeav said:

I remember when pro-assisted suicide told us it was only going to be used to end suffering from these terrible terminal illnesses. Well, that era was short lived. Now it's cause "We wanted to die together".

Twins assisted suicide because they just wanted to.

I don't know who put forth that argument, but explain to me what the problem is here cause I have zero objection to this.

You don't know who put forth that argument?

Doctors
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6913818/

It use to be against the oath to do harm. Now we're like "Let's make dying easy and profitable."
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tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

San Ramon High Schools are looking to copy Dublin High, and others, in adding "Equity Grading". A missed test equals a 50% score, homework isn't graded, tests can be taken multiple times, etc.

I can't remember the details but there was news a little while back about some school district in CA adopting a grading scale where A's went all the way down to like 80%; F's started at like 50%. Cray cray.

I am a recently retired high school teacher and my kids are currently in 8th and 11th grade.

Grading by strict percentages (no matter what they are) can be problematic.

If one of your softball players is batting .450, that's probably good, right? Well, 45% is actually an "F" by many measures.

If an airline pilot lands his plane safely 95% of the time, he gets an "A", but I'm not going near his flight.

These are extreme examples to prove a point, but you get the idea. More to the point, I can make up a multiple choice test to get most any scores I want by manipulating the "distractors" (wrong answers).

Society wants percentage-based grading because it seems objective. It can be, in theory, but oftentimes it is not.
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sycasey said:

concordtom said:

Then also SAT's are no longer universally required because they are socio-economically biased.

This was such a dumb decision that is actively being walked back in most places (thankfully).

Yes, the SAT is socio-economically biased. But all the other measures (grades, extra-curriculars, essay writing) are even MORE so. They actually removed the better tool for separating the smart underprivileged kids from the ones who had a lot of mommy and daddy's help.

Totally agree. The SAT should be reinstated. Maybe it counted too much before, but it is definitely one data point, for the reasons you mentioned.

At the same time, these tests need to be constantly revised/improved, to avoid any cultural biases and to minimize the extent to which they can be "gamed".
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MinotStateBeav said:

Aunburdened said:

MinotStateBeav said:

I remember when pro-assisted suicide told us it was only going to be used to end suffering from these terrible terminal illnesses. Well, that era was short lived. Now it's cause "We wanted to die together".

Twins assisted suicide because they just wanted to.

I don't know who put forth that argument, but explain to me what the problem is here cause I have zero objection to this.

You don't know who put forth that argument?

Doctors
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6913818/

It use to be against the oath to do harm. Now we're like "Let's make dying easy and profitable."

You're quoting an American journal that is not taking either side of the argument about something that is legal in other countries, but not America. Furthermore, nowhere in the pro side of the argument does it say anything about only being used to end suffering from terminal diseases.

All of the arguments about expanding who can request assisted euthanasia are coming from the con side in this article.

But once again, explain to me what the problem is with two 89 year old women deciding to end their lives on their own terms.
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DiabloWags said:

SO MUCH WINNING!



This just shows how much damage the Democrats can do, even when they don't have full control of the government. For these judges to be fair-minded, they should now bar California from using its new US House map in the 2026 midterms.
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Ideally, no state would be gerrymandering. It is political, but non-democratic.
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SFCityBear said:

DiabloWags said:

SO MUCH WINNING!



This just shows how much damage the Democrats can do, even when they don't have full control of the government. For these judges to be fair-minded, they should now bar California from using its new US House map in the 2026 midterms.


Fairness has nothing to do with it. California's new map will also be challenged in courts
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movielover said:

San Ramon High Schools are looking to copy Dublin High, and others, in adding "Equity Grading". A missed test equals a 50% score, homework isn't graded, tests can be taken multiple times, etc.


Such an awful idea. This doesn't help anyone, it hurts them. It teaches them nothing about accountability
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BearlySane88 said:

movielover said:

San Ramon High Schools are looking to copy Dublin High, and others, in adding "Equity Grading". A missed test equals a 50% score, homework isn't graded, tests can be taken multiple times, etc.


Such an awful idea. This doesn't help anyone, it hurts them. It teaches them nothing about accountability


Maybe they can get a scholly to….



….and play some ball there.
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Big C said:

movielover said:

San Ramon High Schools are looking to copy Dublin High, and others, in adding "Equity Grading". A missed test equals a 50% score, homework isn't graded, tests can be taken multiple times, etc.

There are misconceptions about "equity grading", but if you understand it, it's probably a good thing. Some possible flaws, of course, just like everything else.

Example of possible flaw: Lazy teacher lets students retake tests and then gives them the exact same test (so students just memorize the answers). I have seen this and it is just cringe-worthy. Good God, at the very minimum, change the order of the questions and the order of the choices (in a multiple choice test). Should be a different test that tests for the same learning objectives.


Please enlighten me about how it is a good thing to not hold students accountable? You don't get do over after do over in your job. Why are we training students to think that's the norm? We wonder why we have these soft Starbucks baristas complaining about a work uniform.
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Big C said:

tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

San Ramon High Schools are looking to copy Dublin High, and others, in adding "Equity Grading". A missed test equals a 50% score, homework isn't graded, tests can be taken multiple times, etc.

I can't remember the details but there was news a little while back about some school district in CA adopting a grading scale where A's went all the way down to like 80%; F's started at like 50%. Cray cray.

I am a recently retired high school teacher and my kids are currently in 8th and 11th grade.

Grading by strict percentages (no matter what they are) can be problematic.

If one of your softball players is batting .450, that's probably good, right? Well, 45% is actually an "F" by many measures.

If an airline pilot lands his plane safely 95% of the time, he gets an "A", but I'm not going near his flight.

These are extreme examples to prove a point, but you get the idea. More to the point, I can make up a multiple choice test to get most any scores I want by manipulating the "distractors" (wrong answers).

Society wants percentage-based grading because it seems objective. It can be, in theory, but oftentimes it is not.


Granted we teach different ages but I couldn't disagree with you more.

I don't believe you should be giving multiple choice tests to begin with. Short answer questions. Make the child actually know the material.

Thank you for your, likely, many years of teaching. I hope your retirement treats you well!
Big C
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BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

San Ramon High Schools are looking to copy Dublin High, and others, in adding "Equity Grading". A missed test equals a 50% score, homework isn't graded, tests can be taken multiple times, etc.

There are misconceptions about "equity grading", but if you understand it, it's probably a good thing. Some possible flaws, of course, just like everything else.

Example of possible flaw: Lazy teacher lets students retake tests and then gives them the exact same test (so students just memorize the answers). I have seen this and it is just cringe-worthy. Good God, at the very minimum, change the order of the questions and the order of the choices (in a multiple choice test). Should be a different test that tests for the same learning objectives.


Please enlighten me about how it is a good thing to not hold students accountable? You don't get do over after do over in your job. Why are we training students to think that's the norm? We wonder why we have these soft Starbucks baristas complaining about a work uniform.

When you speak of not holding students accountable, is it the part about retaking tests?

One could argue that they are still accountable, just by the end of the semester. Or, you could have it where they get somewhat reduced credit for each time they need to retake it.

The concept of being able to retake tests only got to be a thing towards the end of my career. Students would ask if they could retake it and I would say "sure". Rarely did they actually take me up on it. Then, once they found out it was a similar test, but not exactly the same (in other words, they actually needed to know the material instead of memorizing the answers from a friend's test), they never took me up on it. Not one time.

But they could have.
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BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

San Ramon High Schools are looking to copy Dublin High, and others, in adding "Equity Grading". A missed test equals a 50% score, homework isn't graded, tests can be taken multiple times, etc.

I can't remember the details but there was news a little while back about some school district in CA adopting a grading scale where A's went all the way down to like 80%; F's started at like 50%. Cray cray.

I am a recently retired high school teacher and my kids are currently in 8th and 11th grade.

Grading by strict percentages (no matter what they are) can be problematic.

If one of your softball players is batting .450, that's probably good, right? Well, 45% is actually an "F" by many measures.

If an airline pilot lands his plane safely 95% of the time, he gets an "A", but I'm not going near his flight.

These are extreme examples to prove a point, but you get the idea. More to the point, I can make up a multiple choice test to get most any scores I want by manipulating the "distractors" (wrong answers).

Society wants percentage-based grading because it seems objective. It can be, in theory, but oftentimes it is not.


Granted we teach different ages but I couldn't disagree with you more.

I don't believe you should be giving multiple choice tests to begin with. Short answer questions. Make the child actually know the material.

Thank you for your, likely, many years of teaching. I hope your retirement treats you well!


IMO, well-written multiple-choice tests can absolutely test for knowledge and can be one component of assessment. No way would I assess with strictly multiple-choice tests, but for a more comprehensive assessment such as a unit test or final exam, they can have their advantages.

The appropriateness also depends on the subject matter, of course.

But my main point in referencing them was as an example to skewer the notion that 90-100% must be an "A", 80-89% must be a "B", etc.
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Big C said:


But my main point in referencing them was as an example to skewer the notion that 90-100% must be an "A", 80-89% must be a "B", etc.

Should an F ever be below 50%? And remember that wasn't for a single class, that was a broader policy across classes.
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Anarchistbear said:

SFCityBear said:

DiabloWags said:

SO MUCH WINNING!



This just shows how much damage the Democrats can do, even when they don't have full control of the government. For these judges to be fair-minded, they should now bar California from using its new US House map in the 2026 midterms.


Fairness has nothing to do with it. California's new map will also be challenged in courts

I suspect that SCOTUS will allow the Texas GOP to do what they want, but my understanding here is that the situations are a bit different: the TX law tried to justify the new maps on racial equality grounds, but the CA law is just an explicitly partisan gerrymander. And SCOTUS has already ruled that partisan gerrymanders are legal, but not racial ones.
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Correct. But heads up re the Voting rights Act case currently before SCOTUS. That area of the law will be changing shortly.
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tequila4kapp said:

Correct. But heads up re the Voting rights Act case currently before SCOTUS. That area of the law will be changing shortly.

That's right, they'll probably rule that racial gerrymanders are fine too.
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Big C said:

BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

San Ramon High Schools are looking to copy Dublin High, and others, in adding "Equity Grading". A missed test equals a 50% score, homework isn't graded, tests can be taken multiple times, etc.

There are misconceptions about "equity grading", but if you understand it, it's probably a good thing. Some possible flaws, of course, just like everything else.

Example of possible flaw: Lazy teacher lets students retake tests and then gives them the exact same test (so students just memorize the answers). I have seen this and it is just cringe-worthy. Good God, at the very minimum, change the order of the questions and the order of the choices (in a multiple choice test). Should be a different test that tests for the same learning objectives.


Please enlighten me about how it is a good thing to not hold students accountable? You don't get do over after do over in your job. Why are we training students to think that's the norm? We wonder why we have these soft Starbucks baristas complaining about a work uniform.

When you speak of not holding students accountable, is it the part about retaking tests?

One could argue that they are still accountable, just by the end of the semester. Or, you could have it where they get somewhat reduced credit for each time they need to retake it.

The concept of being able to retake tests only got to be a thing towards the end of my career. Students would ask if they could retake it and I would say "sure". Rarely did they actually take me up on it. Then, once they found out it was a similar test, but not exactly the same (in other words, they actually needed to know the material instead of memorizing the answers from a friend's test), they never took me up on it. Not one time.

But they could have.


Students in my middle school classes can retake a test if they score below a 75% but they can only receive up to a 75% on the retake. I'm not rewarding a student for not being prepared for an exam the first time. Do I want them to fail, no. Do I want them to learn the material, yes. Do I also want to teach them the lesson that preparation and effort will give them positive results, yes. I give them the opportunity to practice the material and raise their grade but I don't hand them an A on a silver platter.

Late homework is two points off every day it's late until it's down to 50% of the grade. My homework assignments are usually 10 points so even a day late cuts into the grade pretty heavily. My school's policy is that I have to accept any late assignments up to two weeks late so they get a 50% at that point because I could give them lower but again I'm not trying to fail kids and I want them to do the work.

My 6th graders grades are weighted:
60% test, 15% homework, 15% classwork (mostly quizzes), 10% participation

My 7th graders grades are weighted:
65% test, 15% homework, 10% classwork (mostly quizzes), 10% participation

My 8th graders grades are weighted:
70% test, 10% homework, 10% classwork (mostly quizzes), 10% participation
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Big C said:

BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

tequila4kapp said:

movielover said:

San Ramon High Schools are looking to copy Dublin High, and others, in adding "Equity Grading". A missed test equals a 50% score, homework isn't graded, tests can be taken multiple times, etc.

I can't remember the details but there was news a little while back about some school district in CA adopting a grading scale where A's went all the way down to like 80%; F's started at like 50%. Cray cray.

I am a recently retired high school teacher and my kids are currently in 8th and 11th grade.

Grading by strict percentages (no matter what they are) can be problematic.

If one of your softball players is batting .450, that's probably good, right? Well, 45% is actually an "F" by many measures.

If an airline pilot lands his plane safely 95% of the time, he gets an "A", but I'm not going near his flight.

These are extreme examples to prove a point, but you get the idea. More to the point, I can make up a multiple choice test to get most any scores I want by manipulating the "distractors" (wrong answers).

Society wants percentage-based grading because it seems objective. It can be, in theory, but oftentimes it is not.


Granted we teach different ages but I couldn't disagree with you more.

I don't believe you should be giving multiple choice tests to begin with. Short answer questions. Make the child actually know the material.

Thank you for your, likely, many years of teaching. I hope your retirement treats you well!


IMO, well-written multiple-choice tests can absolutely test for knowledge and can be one component of assessment. No way would I assess with strictly multiple-choice tests, but for a more comprehensive assessment such as a unit test or final exam, they can have their advantages.

The appropriateness also depends on the subject matter, of course.

But my main point in referencing them was as an example to skewer the notion that 90-100% must be an "A", 80-89% must be a "B", etc.


Fair enough
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I'm counting this as Breaking News

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MinotStateBeav said:

I'm counting this as Breaking News



Big C
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BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

San Ramon High Schools are looking to copy Dublin High, and others, in adding "Equity Grading". A missed test equals a 50% score, homework isn't graded, tests can be taken multiple times, etc.

There are misconceptions about "equity grading", but if you understand it, it's probably a good thing. Some possible flaws, of course, just like everything else.

Example of possible flaw: Lazy teacher lets students retake tests and then gives them the exact same test (so students just memorize the answers). I have seen this and it is just cringe-worthy. Good God, at the very minimum, change the order of the questions and the order of the choices (in a multiple choice test). Should be a different test that tests for the same learning objectives.


Please enlighten me about how it is a good thing to not hold students accountable? You don't get do over after do over in your job. Why are we training students to think that's the norm? We wonder why we have these soft Starbucks baristas complaining about a work uniform.

When you speak of not holding students accountable, is it the part about retaking tests?

One could argue that they are still accountable, just by the end of the semester. Or, you could have it where they get somewhat reduced credit for each time they need to retake it.

The concept of being able to retake tests only got to be a thing towards the end of my career. Students would ask if they could retake it and I would say "sure". Rarely did they actually take me up on it. Then, once they found out it was a similar test, but not exactly the same (in other words, they actually needed to know the material instead of memorizing the answers from a friend's test), they never took me up on it. Not one time.

But they could have.


Students in my middle school classes can retake a test if they score below a 75% but they can only receive up to a 75% on the retake. I'm not rewarding a student for not being prepared for an exam the first time. Do I want them to fail, no. Do I want them to learn the material, yes. Do I also want to teach them the lesson that preparation and effort will give them positive results, yes. I give them the opportunity to practice the material and raise their grade but I don't hand them an A on a silver platter.

Late homework is two points off every day it's late until it's down to 50% of the grade. My homework assignments are usually 10 points so even a day late cuts into the grade pretty heavily. My school's policy is that I have to accept any late assignments up to two weeks late so they get a 50% at that point because I could give them lower but again I'm not trying to fail kids and I want them to do the work.

My 6th graders grades are weighted:
60% test, 15% homework, 15% classwork (mostly quizzes), 10% participation

My 7th graders grades are weighted:
65% test, 15% homework, 10% classwork (mostly quizzes), 10% participation

My 8th graders grades are weighted:
70% test, 10% homework, 10% classwork (mostly quizzes), 10% participation


I have thought, from your posts, that you are a good teacher. Your posts on this thread tend to confirm that. Keep up the good work!
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tequila4kapp said:

Big C said:


But my main point in referencing them was as an example to skewer the notion that 90-100% must be an "A", 80-89% must be a "B", etc.

Should an F ever be below 50%? And remember that wasn't for a single class, that was a broader policy across classes.

I'm not envisioning a scenario in one of my classes where below 50% would not be an "F". Rather, I was just making the point that grading by a strict "90%+ is an "A", 80-90% is a "B", etc. can be foolish...

Let me go back to the example I was working with in an earlier post:

One of your softball players is batting .450. Would you give her an "F" at batting? I'm assuming you would not. Well, I can construct a history quiz on the American Revolution (to tie this into another thread) in which a heckuva lot of high school kids would score below 50%... and this would be based solely on what was taught in the class they were taking.

Point being... it's more complicated and nuanced than 90%/80%/70% etc. Some people believe Moses came down from the mountain with these grading percentages etched into a stone tablet, but I really doubt that was the case (and no, some of you wags, I was not there to see him when he descended the mountain).
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