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MinotStateBeav said:


In a world of bad takes, this is perhaps the most idiotic.

Smirnov was the GOP's main source for the GOP's numerous wild claims against Hunter Biden. He provided all of that false information in his role as an informant to Trump's weaponized FBI. This started back in 2017. That was the fake predicate for the GOP "investigation" which has carried on and interfered with 2 different presidential elections.

Pretending like the FBI turned on an informant to protect Biden is perhaps the stupidest claim anyone has ever made. This dude was working for Putin to undermine our democracy by providing false information. The GOP campaign against Hunter was based on this informant's false claims and you all were all too happy to consume it without any skepticism.

Yes, Trump's FBI shouldn't have invited one of Putin's propaganda mouthpieces to provide false information about Hunter Biden in order to assist Trump in 2020. The GOP was so enthralled with anything that could help Trump in an election he had no chance of winning which is why we are where we are. You may remember Trump publicly asking ""I will tell you this, Russia: If you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing." He wasn't joking and the GOP bent over backwards to take in any false information that anyone could provide, in order to keep this hoax going for as long as possible. It became clear to Comer months ago that this investigation was going nowhere (you could see the shift in the narrative) but they still haven't come clean about the fact that it was all based on lies and they will never actually issue a mea culpa to the American people for what theyve done.

And this isn't some "gotcha" by whatever moron you quoted. The FBI announcement of this indictment spells it out quite clearly. The freaking headline calls out that the dude was an informant and that in his role as informant he provided false information spoonfed to him by Russian intelligence. Which your MAGA buddies were all too happy to weaponize for 5 years.

You should be asking yourself why Comer and the rest of the GOP were so reluctant to share their sources or any information about their investigation for so long. All they did was obfuscate and demagogue - probably because they knew it was all a charade based on a thinly-covered cutout for Vlad Putin who was basically just laundering idiotic GOP conspiracy theories.

This is far from the first time you've fallen for this type of garbage and it's pretty obvious that you have an answer looking for a problem (typical confirmation bias).

Here's the DOJ release announcing the indictment of Smirnov. Why don't you read it, then re-read the tweet you posted and then tell us who looks foolish.


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Grand Jury Returns Indictment Charging FBI Confidential Human Source with Felony False Statement and Obstruction Crimes

According to the indictment, Smirnov was a confidential human source (CHS) with the FBI. As alleged in the indictment, despite repeated admonishments that he must provide truthful information to the FBI and that he must not fabricate evidence, Smirnov provided false derogatory information to the FBI about Public Official 1, and Businessperson 1, the son of Public Official 1, in 2020, after Public Official 1 became a presidential candidate.

The indictment alleges that in March 2017, Smirnov reported to an FBI Agent that he had had a phone call with the owner of Ukrainian industrial conglomerate Burisma Holdings, Limited concerning Burisma's interest in acquiring a U.S. company and making an initial public offering (IPO) on a U.S.-based stock exchange. In reporting that conversation to the FBI Agent, Smirnov also noted that Businessperson 1, Public Official 1's son, was a member of Burisma's Board, a fact that was publicly known. The indictment alleges that Smirnov provided no further information.

Three years later, in June 2020, the indictment alleges that Smirnov reported, for the first time, two meetings in 2015 and/or 2016. As alleged in the indictment, Smirnov falsely claimed that during these meetings, executives associated with Burisma, admitted to him that they hired Businessperson 1 to "protect us, through his dad, from all kinds of problems," and later that they had specifically paid $5 million each to Public Official 1 and Businessperson 1, when Public Official 1 was still in office, so that "[Businessperson 1] will take care of all those issues through his dad," referring to a criminal investigation being conducted by the then-Ukrainian Prosecutor General into Burisma and to "deal with [the then-Ukrainian Prosecutor General]."

As alleged in the indictment, the events that Smirnov first reported to the FBI Agent in June 2020 were fabrications. In truth and fact, the defendant had contact with executives from Burisma in 2017, after the end of the administration when Public Official 1 had no ability to influence U.S. policy and after the Ukrainian Prosecutor General had been fired in February 2016. The indictment alleges that the defendant transformed his routine and unextraordinary business contacts with Burisma in 2017 and later into bribery allegations against Public Official 1 after expressing bias against Public Official 1 and his presidential candidacy.

As further alleged in the indictment, when he was interviewed by FBI agents in September 2023, Smirnov repeated some of his false claims, changed his story as to other of his claims, and promoted a new false narrative after he said he met with Russian officials.




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MinotStateBeav said:




Minot, don't worry about Unit2. He still thinks Dems have to keep up the charade. I've chatted with Unit2 about this in the secret meetings. We've got all the media, all tech, both political parties, all the business elite, all the non-business elite, the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, and more. On this community board we can come clean about our wily schemes. The only people not in on it are that meddling genius, Donald Trump, his highly intelligent supporters, and Vladimir Putin, who is dead.

You are smart not to buy into this whistleblower arrest. Very smart.
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dajo9 said:




Minot, don't worry about Unit2. He still thinks Dems have to keep up the charade. I've chatted with Unit2 about this in the secret meetings. We've got all the media, all tech, both political parties, all the business elite, all the non-business elite, the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, and more. On this community board we can come clean about our wily schemes. The only people not in on it are that meddling genius, Donald Trump, his highly intelligent supporters, and Vladimir Putin, who is dead.

You are smart not to buy into this whistleblower arrest. Very smart.
Thought you would appreciate this article about ya boy Garland.

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Garland should have seen this coming. He didn't. Three years into Garland's term as attorney general, it's clear that he has failed. Far from rebuilding the Justice Department's reputation, he has failed to carry out some of his basic duties out of fear of being attacked as a partisan. His rigid adherence to "norms" has instead aided Republican bad faith attacks. For all of the efforts undertaken to cleanse the agency of the politics of his predecessor, Garland has allowed a more insidious politics to seep into the Department of Justice's affairsand it only appears that he has given it his blessing.

When Merrick Garland was sworn in as attorney general in March 2021, he promised to restore the Justice Department's reputation after it was left tainted by the corruptions of William Barr, who often ran the DOJ as if it were Donald Trump's legal retainer. Where Trump had weaponized the department to attack his enemies and protect himself, Garland would be straitlaced, a no-nonsense prosecutor above the petty realities of politics. "The only way we can succeed and retain the trust of the American people is to adhere to the norms that have become part of the DNA of every Justice Department employee," Garland said shortly after being sworn in.

Garland's aim of depoliticizing the Justice Department is a laudable one. Garland had little choice but to try to rebuild trust and an air of nonpartisanship. But during his tenure, Garland's noble goals have, again and again, rendered him overly passive to the threat posed by the right. Perhaps fearing backlash, the attorney general slow-walked the investigation into Donald Trump's role in the January 6 insurrection, only appointing Jack Smith as special counsel in late November 2022, after Trump formally declared his bid for the presidency. With Hur, Garland appears to be back-footed about the threat posed by a Republican-aligned special counsel. And when Hur presented his lengthy report, which was full of irrelevant information about Biden's cognitive faculties, he did nothingagain, perhaps because he feared that stepping in would make him seem political.

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movielover said:


You and Poso obviously weren't paying attention to gun violence rates in the 1980s and 1990s compared to now.
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movielover said:




I don't think most people are as concerned about gang on gang violence as they are about some white male wacko shooting up a mall or a school or a church.
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dimitrig said:

movielover said:




I don't think most people are as concerned about gang on gang violence as they are about some white male wacko shooting up a mall or a school or a church.



Except when it happens at a parade and 22 innocent bystanders are wounded.
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oski003 said:

dimitrig said:

movielover said:




I don't think most people are as concerned about gang on gang violence as they are about some white male wacko shooting up a mall or a school or a church.



Except when it happens at a parade and 22 innocent bystanders are wounded.
It's a good thing that you know all the facts about the case. We'd be lost without your insinuations. Maybe you should offer your services to the Kansas City Police Department.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:


Maybe you should offer your services to the Kansas City Police Department.


He already has. He showed up in KC yesterday with his new kneepads and extra Chapstick.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:


Maybe you should offer your services to the Kansas City Police Department.


He already has. He showed up in KC yesterday with his new kneepads and extra Chapstick.


Hi Aunbear89. I have not been to Kansas City recently. Please take a moment and try to be less angry. Forgive yourself and others and don't be so mean on the Internet. You can move forward and have a positive life.
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Please take a moment to FOAD.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

Please take a moment to FOAD.


Hi Aunbear89. That is really, really, really not a nice thing to say. Please spend some time off the Internet and return when you can be much nicer and more civil. Cheers to better days.
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It wasn't intended to be nice, genius.


Liars, hypocrites, and the morons like you who defend, fund, vote for , and otherwise enable them.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

It wasn't intended to be nice, genius.


Liars, hypocrites, and the morons like you who defend, fund, vote for , and otherwise enable them.


Yes, I know. You are not nice. You are terrible.
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dimitrig said:

movielover said:




I don't think most people are as concerned about gang on gang violence as they are about some white male wacko shooting up a mall or a school or a church.

You are right about one thing, that whether the perp is a gang member or a wacko, the perp is usually a male, but there have been a few exceptions.

I get the feeling you are not a resident of South Side Chicago, or inner city New Orleans, St Louis, Baltimore, Washington DC, Cleveland, Detroit. Or Durban, Capetown, or Johannesburg in South Africa. It is gang on gang violence in all those cities, and it ain't white. It is black on black. And the regular folks living there are living scared.

And I doubt you live in a Mexican city, like Tijuana, Ciudad Juarez, and a dozen more, where gang violence is rampant, and where the color is brown, if you think that way. In China there are chinese wackos who enter schools and kill children, and even though guns are legal in China, the weapon of choice for the chinese wackos in China is often the knife, but hammers and cleavers have also been used. There are mean folks everywhere, and there are wackos everywhere.

Wherever you are getting information, it is not trustworthy. Do try and get out more, and see the world. Unfortunately, there are fewer places where it is safe to go.
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Oakland the same, but the gangs are loosely organized. If the homicides were in Piedmont, something would be done about it. Something not right about that.
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concordtom said:

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movielover said:

I wonder why this mass killing has received no wall-to-wall coverage.
. . . it has, though?


Who are the mass shooters?






These came to mind. Along with the Sandy hook guy.

But Wikipedia says:


According to The New York Times, there is no common profile of people who carry out mass shootings in the United States, except that they are mostly men. By race, according to a study, the proportion of mass shooters in the United States who are white is about equal to the overall proportion of white people in the general population of the US.[50][51] According to the same study, Asians are overrepresented in mass shootings, having perpetrated 6.06% of attacks despite being 5.7% of the population.[52] The proportion of male mass shooters is considerably larger than the proportion of males in the general population.[51] According to the Associated Press, white men comprise nearly 50% of all mass shooters in the US.[53] According to the National Institute of Justice/The Violence project study, the demographics of shooters were 97.7% male, with an average age of 34.1 years, 52.3% white, 20.9% black, 8.1% Latino, 6.4% Asian, 4.2% middle eastern, and 1.8% native American.[30]

According to the Center for Inquiry, mass shootings of family members (the most common) are usually carried out by white, middle-aged males. Felony-related mass shootings (connected with a previous crime) tend to be committed by young Black or Hispanic males with extensive criminal records, typically against people of the same ethnic group. Public mass shootings of persons unrelated to the shooter, and for a reason not connected with a previous crime (the rarest but most publicized) are committed by men whose racial distribution closely matches that of the nation as a whole.[54][55] Other than gender, the demographic profiles of public mass shooters are too varied to draw firm conclusions.[54] In its 2014 active shooter incidents review, the FBI found that the perpetrator was female in only 6 of the 160 incidents (4%) and that in only 2 incidents (1%) was there more than one perpetrator.[42] Analogously, in December 2013, the Journal of Forensic Sciences published a sociodemographic network characteristics and antecedent behaviors survey of 119 lone-actor terrorists in the United States and Europe that found that 96.6% were male.


I agree that white people are proportional to their population in premeditated mass shootings, like school shootings. Is that what happened here? This seems more like a gang shooting, which is predominantly done by minorities, despite being less of the population. We really don't know what race the shooters are because the media is being incredibly tight-lipped about it; far from simply naming names.
There is a widely viewed video of bystanders tackling one of the shooters. You can feed your obsession with race by going through that video frame by frame to determine his race. As for whether it was gang related, the news stories I saw described it as a personal dispute between a few people. That could be gang related or it could be a "you stole my girlfriend" or "you clowned me on Tik Tok" situation.


I don't have an obsession with race. I rarely post about it in a vacuum. 95% of the time it is in response to someone here asking for reparations, disparaging white people or Asians, or at least already in a racial discussion.


Hmmm.
Allow me to guess.
This otherwise "vacuum" you live in is a white bubble, right? Engaging in such discussions here on BI is getting out there and mixing with the crowd, right?




No, the vacuum would be me bringing up race without folks here already bringing up race. That should be clear for folks who objectively read my post. I live far from a white bubble. As I type this, the last 3 folks I just spoke to at my work were not white. I live in a big city and employ many workers, many of which are not white. My life is integrated with many races. I do not live in a gated community. I see folks of all races work hard and succeed or sometimes struggle. I also see folks of all races who don't have the drive to succeed, are incredibly immature, yet expect things to be given to them. I am on or at least near the front line.


Touche!
From one fund manager to one non-"white-bubble" worker, you win this point!
Good on you!


PS: although, maybe that "front line" bit gives you away. Is that what makes you, uh, shall we say, "race focused"?



Your interpretation of what I posted certainly reinforces that you are race focused.

Frontline workers:
Frontline workers are employees in an organization that provide some essential service to the general public. Not all essential workers are considered frontline workers.

The distinction is based on how much interaction they have with people, and whether they're customers or recipients of the service provided. For example, frontline workers have a higher rate of face-to-face interactions than essential workers, who aren't necessarily required to work in public-facing roles.

Some essential workers can work from home, while frontline workers usually have to report in-person to complete their job responsibilities. Both essential and frontline workers help society function and contribute to the economic growth of the communities in which they live and serve.


Good morning,

I want to commend you for your decorum.
You have exhibited significant restraint in typing toxic barbs at your detractors.
I respect that.

Thank you for explaining that you mean "public facing" where you used "front line".

I hope you have a good day today.
See you in other threads shortly, I'm sure.


I used Frontline when I meant Frontline. It is common terminology, especially post covid. Look it up.
Frontline does a fine job of protecting my cats from fleas and ticks.


Good one.
This Frontline can be applied safely to humans.

I recommend strapping the infected subjects into a chair and running these videos on loop repeat for one week straight. Corrective educational programming.

3 years ago:



3 years ago, Trump's American carnage


2 years ago:


1 year ago:
Lies, politics, and democracy series:










1 year ago:


2 weeks ago:




Sigh. That's only about 3/5ths of it.

PBS Frontline is excellent!

John Bolton is your hero???

Incredible how far gone PBS is, it turned into a clown show, an alphabet agency theater for the gullible segment of the center left.
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bearister said:

Oakland the same, but the gangs are loosely organized. If the homicides were in Piedmont, something would be done about it. Something not right about that.


This is what happens in SF but at the district level. We walk through them all and it's like you are walking through different countries. Something is rotten in Denmark.
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82gradDLSdad said:

bearister said:

Oakland the same, but the gangs are loosely organized. If the homicides were in Piedmont, something would be done about it. Something not right about that.


This is what happens in SF but at the district level. We walk through them all and it's like you are walking through different countries. Something is rotten in Denmark.


Honestly I think the city has decided to cede the Tenderloin to a DMZ. Virtually everywhere else in the city is safer now than it was 20 or 30 years ago. Hayes Valley, Western Addition, Hunters Point, Mission, SOMA, Polk Gulch, Alamo Square, Potrero Hill, NOPA are all better now.

Only the tenderloin is worse. You walk everywhere, so tell us where you feel unsafe now and how those places used to be. Most of the people trashing SF know nothing about it and spend no time here.

Of course the conservative media which is trying to attack SF doesn't want to paint it this way but as a long-time resident, that's what I've seen over the last few decades.

Edit: by way of example, there are only 5 or 6 large cities in America with lower homicide rates: NY, Austin, Honolulu, San Diego and San Jose. There are numerous small and large cities with far worse homicide rates but the conservative media doesn't want to tell the rubes that they would be far safer in liberal SF or NYC than in Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Omaha, Corpus Christi, Savannah, Des Moines, Pittsburgh, Cincy or Mobile. There is a reason they obscure the red state crime problem.
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bearister said:

Oakland the same, but the gangs are loosely organized. If the homicides were in Piedmont, something would be done about it. Something not right about that.


I'll take False Assumptions for $1,000 Alex.

Danville is called Dantioch by some now after broad-daylight gun battles, and takeover robberies at City Center.

Walnut Creek rolled over when BLM hooligans looted Broadway Plaza, and then Nordys.

Menlo Park has had a recent rash of home break-in robberies.

Tony places in Los Angeles are now fair game.

A Latino Democrat head LA Sherriff cleaned up Venice Beach and Olivera Street of homeless and vagrants, and radical Progressives ran him out of town on false allegations.

If Looters were shot w a shotgun full of buckshot, at worse would a store owner be charged w a misdemeanor?
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Market Street is worse; The Mission was far better in the 1970s
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dimitrig said:

movielover said:




I don't think most people are as concerned about gang on gang violence as they are about some white male wacko shooting up a mall or a school or a church.



Most prefer all the violent wackos are off the streets. Since you brought up race, most of our dangerous cities are plagued by crime from "POC".

And as far as the alleged dangerous White Supremacists, the only place I've heard of violent White gangs are in prison, where everyone sides with their ethnic tribe.

Far Northern California now has 'trimmigrants' processing drugs for Hmong, Chinese, and Mexican gangs in an over $7 Billion operation - which Governor Newsom ignores.
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movielover said:

Market Street is worse; The Mission was far better in the 1970s
The Zebra Killers would like to discuss this with you.
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Guess no one here has any money in the stock market.
No one ever talks about it.

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"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Market Street is worse; The Mission was far better in the 1970s
The Zebra Killers would like to discuss this with you.


I never heard of the Zebra Killers before but holy hell !!

Crazy when people talk about crime now being anything like the 70s - 90s.
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dajo9 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:


The Zebra Killers would like to discuss this with you.


I never heard of the Zebra Killers before but holy hell !!

Crazy when people talk about crime now being anything like the 70s - 90s.
Either they are so old they don't remember what it was like, they are too young to realize how bad it was, or they are lying clowns.

Imagine pretending that SF wasn't a crime and drug-infested city in the 70's? Or that the 90's was some halcyon era, lol.

San Francisco is among the safest big cities in America and it's far safer than many smaller "conservative" cities. It's not Mayberry, but Mayberry in 2024 isn't Mayberry from the 1950's, it would be a town riddled with opioids addicts, domestic violence and sexual crimes.

The bigger issue is why conservatives don't seem to care about the rise in red-state crime. Maybe they should take care of their own communities before getting selective outrage over what's happening in successful big cities.

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Unit2Sucks said:

dajo9 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:


The Zebra Killers would like to discuss this with you.


I never heard of the Zebra Killers before but holy hell !!

Crazy when people talk about crime now being anything like the 70s - 90s.
Either they are so old they don't remember what it was like, they are too young to realize how bad it was, or they are lying clowns.

Imagine pretending that SF wasn't a crime and drug-infested city in the 70's? Or that the 90's was some halcyon era, lol.

San Francisco is among the safest big cities in America and it's far safer than many smaller "conservative" cities. It's not Mayberry, but Mayberry in 2024 isn't Mayberry from the 1950's, it would be a town riddled with opioids addicts, domestic violence and sexual crimes.

The bigger issue is why conservatives don't seem to care about the rise in red-state crime. Maybe they should take care of their own communities before getting selective outrage over what's happening in successful big cities.


I agree that SF does not have a particularly high murder or violent-crime rate and hasn't for a while.

There has been a legitimate problem with property crime in recent years, though, right? I can see how more break-ins and thefts might register to locals as evidence of an "unsafe" city.
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sycasey said:


I agree that SF does not have a particularly high murder or violent-crime rate and hasn't for a while.



That's because they're all passed out unconscious on fentanyl.
At least, according to Fox.



As soon as this guy gets sober, he's gonna mug someone.
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Unit2Sucks said:


The bigger issue is why conservatives don't seem to care about the rise in red-state crime.


according to rising gun sales, they do!
dajo9
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When I was at Cal in the 90s I avoided Oakland because I wasn't familiar with it and I considered it unsafe. Only went in maybe twice.
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dajo9 said:

When I was at Cal in the 90s I avoided Oakland because I wasn't familiar with it and I considered it unsafe. Only went in maybe twice.


Where did you grow up?
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sycasey said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dajo9 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:


The Zebra Killers would like to discuss this with you.


I never heard of the Zebra Killers before but holy hell !!

Crazy when people talk about crime now being anything like the 70s - 90s.
Either they are so old they don't remember what it was like, they are too young to realize how bad it was, or they are lying clowns.

Imagine pretending that SF wasn't a crime and drug-infested city in the 70's? Or that the 90's was some halcyon era, lol.

San Francisco is among the safest big cities in America and it's far safer than many smaller "conservative" cities. It's not Mayberry, but Mayberry in 2024 isn't Mayberry from the 1950's, it would be a town riddled with opioids addicts, domestic violence and sexual crimes.

The bigger issue is why conservatives don't seem to care about the rise in red-state crime. Maybe they should take care of their own communities before getting selective outrage over what's happening in successful big cities.


I agree that SF does not have a particularly high murder or violent-crime rate and hasn't for a while.

There has been a legitimate problem with property crime in recent years, though, right? I can see how more break-ins and thefts might register to locals as evidence of an "unsafe" city.
Sure but that's not why conservative media is obsessed with SF. They need something to be faux-outraged about and that was the best thing they can grandstand on. There is a reason they don't show the data but I will.




SF has always been a high property crime city. I get that it may "feel" like crime is higher now but that "feeling" is largely driven by perception and when the national news media (primarily conservative) constantly drives the crime drumbeat, people's perception becomes heightened.

Perception of crime doesn't typically match up with actual crime data. We are on a multi-decade decline in crime yet most Americans have "felt" like crime is rising every single year (with the only exception being the beginning of the GWB administration). If it bleeds, it leads, regardless of whether crime is on the rise or not.

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dajo9 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Market Street is worse; The Mission was far better in the 1970s
The Zebra Killers would like to discuss this with you.


I never heard of the Zebra Killers before but holy hell !!

Crazy when people talk about crime now being anything like the 70s - 90s.


I wrote 70s, not the crack, cocaine, & PCP 80s before Clinton put "predators" behind bars in major urban cities.
movielover
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Tons of crime is never reported in The City because the hoodlums are never caught or even investigated. The City and Oakland are each hundreds of officers shy of being fully staffed.

In addition, why should a police officer risk their salary, OT, and pension in the 'defund the police' Era? Or risk a lawsuit for arresting a POC. Especially when most perps are released within hours.

A young Middleastern man told me how he and his friends were robbed by young African Americans with semiautomatic weapons in North Beach a few years ago at 1 AM. No, not normal.
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