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Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee quashed six counts in the indictment, including three against Trump, the presumptive 2024 Republican presidential nominee. But the judge left in place other counts including 10 facing Trump and said prosecutors could seek a new indictment to try to reinstate the ones he dismissed.


https://apnews.com/article/georgia-election-interference-2020-trump-46e0b68c25719c404130f7e6eab69dcd

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WalterSobchak said:

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Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee quashed six counts in the indictment, including three against Trump, the presumptive 2024 Republican presidential nominee. But the judge left in place other counts including 10 facing Trump and said prosecutors could seek a new indictment to try to reinstate the ones he dismissed.


https://apnews.com/article/georgia-election-interference-2020-trump-46e0b68c25719c404130f7e6eab69dcd


This is so exciting!

God I pray that he gets off on all the counts and indictments and is never held to account and gets special treatment by the courts he appoints and pressures and is put back in the Oval Office by our least qualified citizens so our government will be filled with loyalists who will do any all of his bidding so he can seek revenge against political enemies, further bury any wrong doing, engage in more wrong doing for personal gain and consolidation of power, never leave office and turn the presidency into a familial dictatorship, and take us past the tipping point of authoritarianism and kill this democratic republic one and for all!

Each little win for him feels like personal victory for me and a strike against those others so-called fellow Americans. He is my validation. Leader of my tribe. My tribe is the one that includes white christian nationalists and the low information voters. I'm the good guy for sure. I vote for people who say they like the Bible. That's the proof. I celebrate politics that limit other people's rights and control others as a result of projecting my fears and ignorance. My happiness and self image is singularly tied to one man and not the health and happiness of the country as a whole. And the last thing I want is to be empathetic, sympathetic, informed, and in touch with reality. I make up reality and then do everything to insulate myself from the lies I believe and act upon.

Again, any news that helps Trump is good news and I live for making all of you uncomfortable, frustrated, and anxious about the future. I have nothing else.
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blungld said:

WalterSobchak said:

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Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee quashed six counts in the indictment, including three against Trump, the presumptive 2024 Republican presidential nominee. But the judge left in place other counts including 10 facing Trump and said prosecutors could seek a new indictment to try to reinstate the ones he dismissed.


https://apnews.com/article/georgia-election-interference-2020-trump-46e0b68c25719c404130f7e6eab69dcd


further bury any wrong doing, engage in more wrong doing
Is there anything funnier than self-important Democrats who get caught stretching the law far beyond its limits and then, when they get called out by the system for having gone too far, blaming the system while never doing any self-reflection on how maybe their own wrongdoing had something to do with why their legal maneuverings failed?

Meanwhile, from the article linked above, there are some interesting bits that Walter failed to highlight.

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The ruling is a blow for Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who already is facing an effort to have her removed from the prosecution over her romantic relationship with a colleague. It's the first time charges in any of Trump's four criminal cases have been dismissed, with the judge saying prosecutors failed to provide enough detail about the alleged crime.
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The six challenged counts charge the defendants with soliciting public officers to violate their oaths. One count stems from a phone call Trump made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a fellow Republican, on Jan. 2, 2021, in which Trump urged Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes."
Oooh, and that happens to be the resistance's big one that they always talk about. Not enough detail about the crime unfortunately though.

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Another of the dismissed counts accuses Trump of soliciting then-Georgia House Speaker David Ralston to violate his oath of office by calling a special session of the legislature to unlawfully appoint presidential electors.
Unfortunately for the Democrats, they can't have all their trials in New York and Washington D.C.
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Genocide Joe said:

Unfortunately for the Democrats, they can't have all their trials in New York and Washington D.C.
Yeah! Because the Democrats are evil manipulative cheaters...not the guy who literally worked with his own attorney and advisors to construct a plan where they tell the public that the election is rigged over and over again thought they know it isn't but their followers are dumb enough to believe if repeated with ZERO evidence, and then create rosters of totally made up electors that they then pressure the VP to treat as legitimate through internal pressure and external pressure like a riot, and this is a plan admitted to and backed up by sworn testimony...but its the Democrats who lie and cheat and rig elections because projection and the narrative I want to believe.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

SFCityBear said:

movielover said:

Official sh-thole country?

No history of law abiding, business building, public and health education?
That also sounds like a description of the present state of some of America's big cities.
I'll mark you down as never having been to Haiti.
You can take your mark and put it where the sun don't shine. Should I take a biased statement like yours and ask you, "Have you ever been in Hunter's Point, or the Fillmore, or have you been to East Oakland? Have you been to South Side Chicago, or South Philly, or Harlem, or the Bronx? or Baltimore, or Cleveland, or St Louis, or New Orleans? Detroit? Have you been to Watts in LA? I have been to all of them, and they are far worse today than ever before. The Fillmore is better to white eyes today, because the wealthy white democrats have overseen so much inflation over 60 years that the black citizens had to move out. There are condos down there now. I lived in LA during the Watts riots, with buildings and cars on fire, and constant gunfire everywhere. A Peruvian friend called me, who was crying as she begged me to drive into the area to rescue her and her aunt from danger, and take them to a relative's house in another town. It would have been OK, except they did not tell me they had a little dog who loved to bark and chase gunfire. The dog busted loose and took off heading for the heart of Watts, and my friend and her aunt got hysterical, so I had to chase the dog and bring it back, and we got underway out of town. Sorry I digress.

No, I have never been to Haiti. Have you?

I've seen videos for years from Left and Right wing news sources, which distinguishes me from the average poster who watches one side of the news, exclusively.

But my personal knowledge of Haiti comes from the fact that one of my dear friends was the former US Ambassador to the Dominican Republic. His sister was my girlfriend in high school, and still a close friend today. My friend the Ambassador made many visits to Haiti during his time in Santo Domingo, he described to me in great detail, the wretched conditions there, both physical, and the oppression under the regime in power at the time. His sister, along with her husband and 3 kids, once visited her brother in the Dominican Republic. They were particularly curious (and naive) and wanted to visit Haiti. Her brother tried to discourage them from going. Haiti has a long history of strongmen and oppressive regimes, awful poverty, sanitation problems, along with a lot of sickness, and revolts among the people. So his sister and her family snuck (is that a word?) out of the embassy one night, and crossed the border into Haiti. She later told me of her visit, and confirmed all I wrote here. I have another dear friend from the Dominican, who had visited Haiti a few times when she lived there. She too, confirmed all that I feel about Haiti. She now lives in the Bronx, and there is so much crime there, she will not go out after dark.

As I see it, the difference between Haiti and a typical major American city is that in Haiti, their underclass is suffering under much worse conditions, and a more oppressive elite. But American cities are moving in that direction, as living conditions deteriorate for the underclass, fear has begun to permeate the middle class, and the elite are becoming more oppressive. That is my point. In American cities, you can walk around many neighborhoods and never see a crime, or evidence of one. There are no bars on windows or doors. In other neighborhoods, people live behind iron bars on every door and window. They never go out at night. And you can go in some neighborhoods and see windows smashed, cars abandoned, and all businesses shuttered by sunset. No, it is not Haiti, but give it another 50 years, if we keep going like we are, and we could easily become Haiti.

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SFCityBear said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

SFCityBear said:

movielover said:

Official sh-thole country?

No history of law abiding, business building, public and health education?
That also sounds like a description of the present state of some of America's big cities.
I'll mark you down as never having been to Haiti.
You can take your mark and put it where the sun don't shine. Should I take a biased statement like yours and ask you, "Have you ever been in Hunter's Point, or the Fillmore, or have you been to East Oakland? Have you been to South Side Chicago, or South Philly, or Harlem, or the Bronx? or Baltimore, or Cleveland, or St Louis, or New Orleans? Detroit? Have you been to Watts in LA? I have been to all of them, and they are far worse today than ever before. The Fillmore is better to white eyes today, because the wealthy white democrats have overseen so much inflation over 60 years that the black citizens had to move out. There are condos down there now.

I stopped reading after the bolded because it's laughably false (in addition to being self-contradicting). You acknowledge that the Fillmore is better than before. There is no reasonable argument that the Fillmore is worse than ever or anywhere close to as bad as Haiti yet rather than understand what's happened and adjust your worldview, you just make a false claim anyway.

I haven't been recently to every single place on your list, but I have been to many of them and I know the vast majority of them are not worse than ever. Harlem is in pretty good shape right now and leagues better than it was in the 90's. No one would compare it to Haiti. Hunter's Point was a mess in the 90's and is much better now. That's true for most of the trouble spots in SF - the only place that's close to as bad (or worse) is the tenderloin. Everywhere else in the city is as good or better than it was 20-30 years ago.

Virtually every big city in America is significantly safer now than it was in the 90's. This isn't some hot take or controversial statement - everyone who makes any attempt to evaluate this objectively knows this to be true. There is a concerted effort by certain people for political reasons to catastrophize this country but you should know better.

You are a wealth of knowledge on the history of SF and I appreciate your anecdotes but you are so far from the mark it's comical.

EDIT: for anyone interested in facts instead of false doomsday narratives, the city released a report on 2023 crime and it was the best year in the last decade (other than the pandemic). Big declines from 2022 and even 2019, but this will never be covered on Fox News or by MAGA politicians. San Francisco is not more crime-ridden than ever, it's continuing to ride a multi decade downward crime trend, just like most big cities in America. It's extremely inconvenient for the doomsdayers so they just make things up and focus on distractions to avoid the truth.

https://www.sf.gov/news/san-franciscos-public-safety-efforts-deliver-results-decline-crime-rates
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Harlem and the Fillmore are only better because they are neighborhoods surrounded by very expensive areas and have gentrified as a result. Their situation is unique, being in the two most expensive big cities in the US.

By and large though, "normal' cities like Chicago, Houston, Minneapolis, Cleveland etc have gotten worse, according to friends and family who live there.
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Burglary Tourism in SoCal, using Visa program.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/lapd-forming-task-force-to-target-organized-teams-of-foreign-burglars/3361857/
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Cal88 said:

Harlem and the Fillmore are only better because they are neighborhoods surrounded by very expensive areas and have gentrified as a result. Their situation is unique, being in the two most expensive big cities in the US.

By and large though, "normal' cities like Chicago, Houston, Minneapolis, Cleveland etc have gotten worse, according to friends and family who live there.

"Worse" compared to what time? Let's be specific.
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To no one's surprise, our tax system is still broken post Trump's tax cuts. No laws were broken or shenanigans were necessary - this is how the system is designed to work.

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In case you need another reason to shout "tax the rich" from the rooftops, it's here, and it's going to make you angry. A study found that 35 major US companies paid their top five executives more than they paid in federal income taxes between 2018 and 2022, the Guardian reports. The findings, which come from The Institute for Policy Studies and Americans for Tax Fairness, are even less shocking when you learn the worst offender: Tesla.

Elon Musk's company earned $4.4 billion during those five years and gave its executives $2.5 billion. Despite that, Tesla not only didn't pay any federal taxes, but it received $1 million in refunds from the government. Musk himself is the second richest person in the world, with Forbes reporting he had a net worth of $207.9 billion at the start of March.

Tesla is one of 35 companies that paid less federal income tax than they paid their top five executives during that period. In total, the well-deserving and not-at-all greedy execs of these companies raked in $9.5 billion over these years, while cumulatively those same companies received $1.8 billion back from the government. Eighteen of these businesses reported net profits over the five years but didn't pay a cent of federal income tax. (All but one got refunds).

The study lists other notable companies like T-Mobile, Netflix, Ford Motor and Match Group alongside Tesla. T-Mobile made $17.9 billion, paid executives $675 million and received $80 million in refunds. The mobile provider has spent an incredible amount of money on lobbying Congress for tax breaks, spending $9 million in 2022 alone. Netflix actually did pay some taxes, but the $236 million was just 1.6 percent of its $15.1 billion in earnings and just over a third of what it paid those top five executives. The statutory rate for federal income tax is 21 percent, so yeah, feel free to scream.

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"Worse" compared to what time? Let's be specific.

I've posted this before (as have others I'm sure) but people's "feelings" about crime rates are completely unreliable. Crime has been falling for decades but virtually every year conservatives "feel" like it's getting worse. That's a product of news coverage generally and conservative media specifically. You occasionally see conservatives cherry-picking data when it's helpful to their agenda but typically they rely on amorphous claims and anecdotes.

There is zero doubt that crime is on a multi-decade downward trend in the US. Conservative media loves to make San Francisco specifically some sort of example of increased crime when SF is far safer than it used to be and safer than many "conservative" cities because what matters to these people is weaving together a narrative that allows them to scapegoat minorities, attack progressives and drive home their divisive rhetoric.
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movielover said:

Official sh-thole country?

No history of law abiding, business building, public and health education?


Haitians are making an effort to fight climate change.
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To no one's surprise, our tax system is still broken post Trump's tax cuts. No laws were broken or shenanigans were necessary - this is how the system is designed to work.

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In case you need another reason to shout "tax the rich" from the rooftops, it's here, and it's going to make you angry. A study found that 35 major US companies paid their top five executives more than they paid in federal income taxes between 2018 and 2022, the Guardian reports. The findings, which come from The Institute for Policy Studies and Americans for Tax Fairness, are even less shocking when you learn the worst offender: Tesla.

Elon Musk's company earned $4.4 billion during those five years and gave its executives $2.5 billion. Despite that, Tesla not only didn't pay any federal taxes, but it received $1 million in refunds from the government. Musk himself is the second richest person in the world, with Forbes reporting he had a net worth of $207.9 billion at the start of March.

Tesla is one of 35 companies that paid less federal income tax than they paid their top five executives during that period. In total, the well-deserving and not-at-all greedy execs of these companies raked in $9.5 billion over these years, while cumulatively those same companies received $1.8 billion back from the government. Eighteen of these businesses reported net profits over the five years but didn't pay a cent of federal income tax. (All but one got refunds).

The study lists other notable companies like T-Mobile, Netflix, Ford Motor and Match Group alongside Tesla. T-Mobile made $17.9 billion, paid executives $675 million and received $80 million in refunds. The mobile provider has spent an incredible amount of money on lobbying Congress for tax breaks, spending $9 million in 2022 alone. Netflix actually did pay some taxes, but the $236 million was just 1.6 percent of its $15.1 billion in earnings and just over a third of what it paid those top five executives. The statutory rate for federal income tax is 21 percent, so yeah, feel free to scream.

sycasey said:


"Worse" compared to what time? Let's be specific.

I've posted this before (as have others I'm sure) but people's "feelings" about crime rates are completely unreliable. Crime has been falling for decades but virtually every year conservatives "feel" like it's getting worse. That's a product of news coverage generally and conservative media specifically. You occasionally see conservatives cherry-picking data when it's helpful to their agenda but typically they rely on amorphous claims and anecdotes.

There is zero doubt that crime is on a multi-decade downward trend in the US. Conservative media loves to make San Francisco specifically some sort of example of increased crime when SF is far safer than it used to be and safer than many "conservative" cities because what matters to these people is weaving together a narrative that allows them to scapegoat minorities, attack progressives and drive home their divisive rhetoric.
More evidence that people should ignore about the drop in crime during Joe Biden's administration. Weird because it "feels" like crime is up when Trump and his lying liars are constantly pretending that crime is up. What is the world coming to when we can't trust untrustworthy people.


movielover
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Home robbery w AK47 in Alamo. Sure, crime is down. s/ Union Square, Market Street, Oakland are ghost towns.

Liberal policies fail. Blame police, society, close prisons (Newsom), handcuff police, don't hire police, cashless bail.

https://nextdoor.com/p/54C8DRm7SWBb?utm_source=share&extras=MjE1ODA0NTc%3D&utm_campaign=1710516148391
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movielover said:

Home robbery w AK47 in Alamo. Sure, crime is down. s/ Union Square, Market Street, Oakland are ghost towns.

Liberal policies fail. Blame police, society, close prisons (Newsom), handcuff police, don't hire police, cashless bail.

https://nextdoor.com/p/54C8DRm7SWBb?utm_source=share&extras=MjE1ODA0NTc%3D&utm_campaign=1710516148391
I wonder which party has championed the right to own AK-47s and which party would like to ban the private ownership of AK-47s.
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Unit2Sucks said:



The source and interpretation of this type of data is key. For example, in 2021 the FBI's official crime report showed that crime was down 1% in 2021. BUT police departments are not required to report and reporting was down 63% for 2021, including no reporting from New York and Los Angeles.

So...what's MSNBC's source?
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tequila4kapp said:

Unit2Sucks said:



The source and interpretation of this type of data is key. For example, in 2021 the FBI's official crime report showed that crime was down 1% in 2021. BUT police departments are not required to report and reporting was down 63% for 2021, including no reporting from New York and Los Angeles.

So...what's MSNBC's source?


The plot thickens. Hopefully, the ostriches are open to more than confirming their biases. Question though. This is crime per 100k, right? The absence of NY and Los Angeles isn't necessarily damning. I do agree that less crime is now reported than ever. Also, technology has made certain crimes, such as murder, much harder to get away with than they used to be. Technology helps explain trends over long periods. It doesn't explain recent trends.
oski003
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Also,

Australian farm grows world's biggest blueberry.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-68572278

On a side note...

Sax, Wags, and Ernest were at a bar. After a few drinks, they ran into the curator for the Guinness book of world records at the bar. Sax says, I have the stretchiest skin. Sure enough, the curator measured the stretching and marked him down for the stretchiest. Wags said, "I bragged the most yesterday about my wealth and knowledge of such", and sure enough, the curator marked him down for the new world record. Ernest said, 'Well I have the smallest pecker."

He then went to the men's room with the curator, who had a tape measure. Wags said, "how'd it go?" Ernest said sadly, give me another lemon drop and sex on the beach. After downing such, he just shook his head. "I don't get it. Who the heck is AunBear89?"
tequila4kapp
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oski003 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Unit2Sucks said:



The source and interpretation of this type of data is key. For example, in 2021 the FBI's official crime report showed that crime was down 1% in 2021. BUT police departments are not required to report and reporting was down 63% for 2021, including no reporting from New York and Los Angeles.

So...what's MSNBC's source?
The plot thickens. Hopefully, the ostriches are open to more than confirming their biases. Question though. This is crime per 100k, right? The absence of NY and Los Angeles isn't necessarily damning. I do agree that less crime is now reported than ever. Also, technology has made certain crimes, such as murder, much harder to get away with than they used to be. Technology helps explain trends over long periods. It doesn't explain recent trends.
Not sure I agree about the impact of omitting the two largest urban centers in the nation. I would think they are large enough, demographically diverse enough and urban enough to skew things (eg, this government sourced document shows that LA's crime rate is almost always higher than the national average: https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Los-Angeles-California.html).

And more from the 'you've gotta love the internet category':
NYC had 7,000 more 'major felony offenses' in 2021 vs 2020 (and fwiw 24K more in 2022 vs 2021; then 200 more in 2023)
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2023.pdf

NYC non-major felonies increased even more:
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/non-seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2023.pdf

Los Angeles' violent crime rate went in the same direction, though I only see data though 2022
https://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr01.php

And a random personal observation / opinion: it may be important to understand the impact of expressing crime as a function of 100,000 relative to people's perception of crime. The total number of non-major felony offenses in NYC went from @40K in 2020 to @60K in 2023. 1.5 times as many in 3 years is a big change. People are naturally more acutely aware of raw change in crime than they are population change. Expressing things as a function of 100K likely ignores this natural human condition...so people's belief that there is more crime may not be entirely attributable to the Evil Right Wing Media.
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oski003 said:

Also,

Australian farm grows world's biggest blueberry.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-68572278

On a side note...

Sax, Wags, and Eastern were at a bar. After a few drinks, they ran into the curator for the Guinness book of world records at the bar. Sax says, I have the stretchiest skin. Sure enough, the curator measured the stretching and marked him down for the stretchiest. Wags said, "I bragged the most yesterday about my wealth and knowledge of such", and sure enough, the curator marked him down for the new world record. Eastern said, well I have the smallest pecker.

He then went to the men's room with the curator, who had a tape measure. Wags said, "how'd it go?" Eastern said sadly, give me another lemon drop and sex on the beach. After downing such, he just shook his head. "I don't get it. Who the heck is AunBear89?"
Gratuitous unprovoked ridicule from the hall monitor who gets bent out of shape about AunBear is duly noted. Also, I am mildly disturbed by your fascination about my genitals.
oski003
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

Also,

Australian farm grows world's biggest blueberry.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-68572278

On a side note...

Sax, Wags, and Eastern were at a bar. After a few drinks, they ran into the curator for the Guinness book of world records at the bar. Sax says, I have the stretchiest skin. Sure enough, the curator measured the stretching and marked him down for the stretchiest. Wags said, "I bragged the most yesterday about my wealth and knowledge of such", and sure enough, the curator marked him down for the new world record. Eastern said, well I have the smallest pecker.

He then went to the men's room with the curator, who had a tape measure. Wags said, "how'd it go?" Eastern said sadly, give me another lemon drop and sex on the beach. After downing such, he just shook his head. "I don't get it. Who the heck is AunBear89?"
Gratuitous unprovoked ridicule from the hall monitor who gets bent out of shape about AunBear is duly noted. Also, I am mildly disturbed by your fascination about my genitals.


Okay, I will edit it.
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tequila4kapp said:


Not sure I agree about the impact of omitting the two largest urban centers in the nation. I would think they are large enough, demographically diverse enough and urban enough to skew things (eg, this government sourced document shows that LA's crime rate is almost always higher than the national average: https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Los-Angeles-California.html).

And more from the 'you've gotta love the internet category':
NYC had 7,000 more 'major felony offenses' in 2021 vs 2020 (and fwiw 24K more in 2022 vs 2021; then 200 more in 2023)
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2023.pdf

NYC non-major felonies increased even more:
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/non-seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2023.pdf

Los Angeles' violent crime rate went in the same direction, though I only see data though 2022
https://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr01.php

And a random personal observation / opinion: it may be important to understand the impact of expressing crime as a function of 100,000 relative to people's perception of crime. The total number of non-major felony offenses in NYC went from @40K in 2020 to @60K in 2023. 1.5 times as many in 3 years is a big change. People are naturally more acutely aware of raw change in crime than they are population change. Expressing things as a function of 100K likely ignores this natural human condition...so people's belief that there is more crime may not be entirely attributable to the Evil Right Wing Media.
These are great questions to be asking. Do you also ask them about Trump who is claiming that crime is out of control and worse then it's ever been?

As for the substance of your questions, I don't know whether it would move the needle much. Since 2021 the FBI/DOJ exclusively rely on the newish NIBRS data, which as of 2022 covered 77% of the population. Interestingly, it has low coverage in CA, NY and FL for whatever reason.

If you have data showing that crime has risen during Biden's presidency compared to Trump's presidency, we would all love to see it. Would be great to compare it to the historical data as well to help check Trump's claims about crime being out of control and worse than ever.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Home robbery w AK47 in Alamo. Sure, crime is down. s/ Union Square, Market Street, Oakland are ghost towns.

Liberal policies fail. Blame police, society, close prisons (Newsom), handcuff police, don't hire police, cashless bail.

https://nextdoor.com/p/54C8DRm7SWBb?utm_source=share&extras=MjE1ODA0NTc%3D&utm_campaign=1710516148391
I wonder which party has championed the right to own AK-47s and which party would like to ban the private ownership of AK-47s.


We banned home invasions. Why on earth would these folks follow one set of laws (gun ownership) but disregard others? I'm not a gun advocate but to me there is only one solution: enforce our current laws to the full extent with however many police it takes. And for those worried about too many police...enforce laws governing police conduct to the full extent too.
tl;dr Enforce all our laws to the maximum.
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See the data posted above. Crime appears to be up when you look at raw numbers; it appears to be down when you look at it as a function of 100K.

Anecdotal observation: I live in a Portland suburb with @50K citizens. When we bought our house 20 years ago this was a very 'safe' area. This week alone the police department's Facebook feed has told us of an armed robbery, a stabbing and a shooting. In recent months that same source has told us about shootings/murders. Not a right wing news source, the police. Were these things happening 20 years ago but we didn't know about them because their wasn't a police department FB feed? I don't know. I just know it really feels like crime is up.
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tequila4kapp said:

See the data posted above. Crime appears to be up when you look at raw numbers; it appears to be down when you look at it as a function of 100K.

Anecdotal observation: I live in a Portland suburb with @50K citizens. When we bought our house 20 years ago this was a very 'safe' area. This week alone the police department's Facebook feed has told us of an armed robbery, a stabbing and a shooting. In recent months that same source has told us about shootings/murders. Not a right wing news source, the police. Were these things happening 20 years ago but we didn't know about them because their wasn't a police department FB feed? I don't know. I just know it really feels like crime is up.
Crime may very well be up in your suburb - I can't tell you that it isn't.

I know that people tell me to think that crime feels up in SF. In fact they are sure of it. A lot of that "feeling" is from media coverage which gets parroted here by a few people.

The actual data, which I posted recently and below, shows that crime in fact is quite a bit lower than it has been historically.

Anecdotally, I went to the Haight last night to grab some pizza. I left my young kids in the car while I ran in to grab the pie. That is NOT something I would have done 5 or 10 years ago because the Haight used to be quite sketchy. I still thought twice about it, but I was barely more concerned than I would have been doing the same thing in a suburb.

I live near Golden Gate Park and run there a few times per week. The edge of the park near the Panhandle used to be a haven for homeless people and drum circles but hasn't been that way for several years. I would avoid that area with my kids but now it's no issue whatsoever.

I know I'm supposed to "feel" like things are worse than ever, but that's not what I see with my own two eyes.

Or what the data shows.

Quote:

San Francisco, CA Today Mayor London N. Breed announced the City's public safety efforts yielded significant results in 2023 with crime dropping year over year. In 2023, overall crime was at its lowest point in the last ten years, other than the 2020 year when San Francisco and the region was mostly shut down due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The drop in crime is driven by significant decreases in property crime, most notably larceny thefts that include car break-ins and retail theft. Violent crime also remains below pre-pandemic levels. These crime trends are continuing in the first month of 2024, as are the city's efforts to confront its public safety challenges.

In total, San Francisco's crime rate in 2023 was lower than any period in the last ten years, except for 2020 when the pandemic caused a Citywide shutdown:
  • Overall Crime: 7% decrease from 2022 and a 13% decrease from 2019
  • Property Crime: Lower than any period in the last 10 years, except for 2020
  • Violent Crime: Remains below pre-pandemic levels, down 11% from 2019


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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Home robbery w AK47 in Alamo. Sure, crime is down. s/ Union Square, Market Street, Oakland are ghost towns.

Liberal policies fail. Blame police, society, close prisons (Newsom), handcuff police, don't hire police, cashless bail.

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I wonder which party has championed the right to own AK-47s and which party would like to ban the private ownership of AK-47s.
One party DID ban them. The other party let it expire.
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Unit2Sucks said:

tequila4kapp said:

See the data posted above. Crime appears to be up when you look at raw numbers; it appears to be down when you look at it as a function of 100K.

Anecdotal observation: I live in a Portland suburb with @50K citizens. When we bought our house 20 years ago this was a very 'safe' area. This week alone the police department's Facebook feed has told us of an armed robbery, a stabbing and a shooting. In recent months that same source has told us about shootings/murders. Not a right wing news source, the police. Were these things happening 20 years ago but we didn't know about them because their wasn't a police department FB feed? I don't know. I just know it really feels like crime is up.
Crime may very well be up in your suburb - I can't tell you that it isn't.

I know that people tell me to think that crime feels up in SF. In fact they are sure of it. A lot of that "feeling" is from media coverage which gets parroted here by a few people.

The actual data, which I posted recently and below, shows that crime in fact is quite a bit lower than it has been historically.

Anecdotally, I went to the Haight last night to grab some pizza. I left my young kids in the car while I ran in to grab the pie. That is NOT something I would have done 5 or 10 years ago because the Haight used to be quite sketchy. I still thought twice about it, but I was barely more concerned than I would have been doing the same thing in a suburb.

I live near Golden Gate Park and run there a few times per week. The edge of the park near the Panhandle used to be a haven for homeless people and drum circles but hasn't been that way for several years. I would avoid that area with my kids but now it's no issue whatsoever.

I know I'm supposed to "feel" like things are worse than ever, but that's not what I see with my own two eyes.

Or what the data shows.

Quote:

San Francisco, CA Today Mayor London N. Breed announced the City's public safety efforts yielded significant results in 2023 with crime dropping year over year. In 2023, overall crime was at its lowest point in the last ten years, other than the 2020 year when San Francisco and the region was mostly shut down due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The drop in crime is driven by significant decreases in property crime, most notably larceny thefts that include car break-ins and retail theft. Violent crime also remains below pre-pandemic levels. These crime trends are continuing in the first month of 2024, as are the city's efforts to confront its public safety challenges.

In total, San Francisco's crime rate in 2023 was lower than any period in the last ten years, except for 2020 when the pandemic caused a Citywide shutdown:
  • Overall Crime: 7% decrease from 2022 and a 13% decrease from 2019
  • Property Crime: Lower than any period in the last 10 years, except for 2020
  • Violent Crime: Remains below pre-pandemic levels, down 11% from 2019





https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/richmond-district-san-francisco-18599211.php%23:~:text%3DThe%2520number%2520of%2520reported%2520robberies,in%2520the%2520district%2520since%25202017.&ved=2ahUKEwiLlM2qhPeEAxUNwOYEHeF8ANcQFnoECBMQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2ZdR5eTpFbhBjoHyiaaqgc

Like we've spoken about before there are many good areas in SF. Unfortunately there are still many bad areas. Sadly, my home district is one of them. Also, and most definitely, the amount of drug abusing, mentally ill folks roaming around and setting up camp in SF is far worse than when I was a young man. They can fix this easily but they don't and I don't have inside info to know why.
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82gradDLSdad said:

Unit2Sucks said:

tequila4kapp said:

See the data posted above. Crime appears to be up when you look at raw numbers; it appears to be down when you look at it as a function of 100K.

Anecdotal observation: I live in a Portland suburb with @50K citizens. When we bought our house 20 years ago this was a very 'safe' area. This week alone the police department's Facebook feed has told us of an armed robbery, a stabbing and a shooting. In recent months that same source has told us about shootings/murders. Not a right wing news source, the police. Were these things happening 20 years ago but we didn't know about them because their wasn't a police department FB feed? I don't know. I just know it really feels like crime is up.
Crime may very well be up in your suburb - I can't tell you that it isn't.

I know that people tell me to think that crime feels up in SF. In fact they are sure of it. A lot of that "feeling" is from media coverage which gets parroted here by a few people.

The actual data, which I posted recently and below, shows that crime in fact is quite a bit lower than it has been historically.

Anecdotally, I went to the Haight last night to grab some pizza. I left my young kids in the car while I ran in to grab the pie. That is NOT something I would have done 5 or 10 years ago because the Haight used to be quite sketchy. I still thought twice about it, but I was barely more concerned than I would have been doing the same thing in a suburb.

I live near Golden Gate Park and run there a few times per week. The edge of the park near the Panhandle used to be a haven for homeless people and drum circles but hasn't been that way for several years. I would avoid that area with my kids but now it's no issue whatsoever.

I know I'm supposed to "feel" like things are worse than ever, but that's not what I see with my own two eyes.

Or what the data shows.

Quote:

San Francisco, CA Today Mayor London N. Breed announced the City's public safety efforts yielded significant results in 2023 with crime dropping year over year. In 2023, overall crime was at its lowest point in the last ten years, other than the 2020 year when San Francisco and the region was mostly shut down due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The drop in crime is driven by significant decreases in property crime, most notably larceny thefts that include car break-ins and retail theft. Violent crime also remains below pre-pandemic levels. These crime trends are continuing in the first month of 2024, as are the city's efforts to confront its public safety challenges.

In total, San Francisco's crime rate in 2023 was lower than any period in the last ten years, except for 2020 when the pandemic caused a Citywide shutdown:
  • Overall Crime: 7% decrease from 2022 and a 13% decrease from 2019
  • Property Crime: Lower than any period in the last 10 years, except for 2020
  • Violent Crime: Remains below pre-pandemic levels, down 11% from 2019





https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/richmond-district-san-francisco-18599211.php%23:~:text%3DThe%2520number%2520of%2520reported%2520robberies,in%2520the%2520district%2520since%25202017.&ved=2ahUKEwiLlM2qhPeEAxUNwOYEHeF8ANcQFnoECBMQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2ZdR5eTpFbhBjoHyiaaqgc

Like we've spoken about before there are many good areas in SF. Unfortunately there are still many bad areas. Sadly, my home district is one of them. Also, and most definitely, the amount of drug abusing, mentally ill folks roaming around and setting up camp in SF is far worse than when I was a young man. They can fix this easily but they don't and I don't have inside info to know why.

Thanks for sharing - sad to hear that there has been a spike in crime in the Richmond. My brother lived there until a few years ago and really enjoyed it.

I don't think that this article shows the Richmond to be a "bad area" but perhaps if the trend continues it would become one.

As for being able to "fix it easily," if it were easy Reagan would have done it. Drugs and mental illness are a nationwide problem and have been for decades. Thinking that complex, multi-variable problems are "easily" fixed is perhaps one of the larger flaws with our political establishment. If they were honest with Americans and said hat the challenges we face require consistent investment and hard work, they would never win elections. Better to offer empty promises and just do nothing.
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movielover said:

Home robbery w AK47 in Alamo. Sure, crime is down. s/ Union Square, Market Street, Oakland are ghost towns.

Liberal policies fail. Blame police, society, close prisons (Newsom), handcuff police, don't hire police, cashless bail.

https://nextdoor.com/p/54C8DRm7SWBb?utm_source=share&extras=MjE1ODA0NTc%3D&utm_campaign=1710516148391

You do realize that there's no crime in ghost towns, right?

Regarding the robbery in Alamo. I think this dovetails with T4K's reporting of increased crime in his Portand suburb (am assuming it's a "nicer" area): With the ever-increasing intelligence of the human species*, criminals are starting to understand that they''ll get better **** if they rob people in richer areas!







* "ever-increasing intelligence of the human species" might be a dead giveaway as to how serious I am being right now... sometimes poster Genocide Joe is the only one who can tell when I'm kidding
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It seems during lockdowns many hoodlums discovered Walnut Creek, San Ramon, and other suburbs. Social media helped 'educate' them. WC also has a woke Mayor who went soft on the first rounds of looters.
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Unit2Sucks said:

82gradDLSdad said:

Unit2Sucks said:

tequila4kapp said:

See the data posted above. Crime appears to be up when you look at raw numbers; it appears to be down when you look at it as a function of 100K.

Anecdotal observation: I live in a Portland suburb with @50K citizens. When we bought our house 20 years ago this was a very 'safe' area. This week alone the police department's Facebook feed has told us of an armed robbery, a stabbing and a shooting. In recent months that same source has told us about shootings/murders. Not a right wing news source, the police. Were these things happening 20 years ago but we didn't know about them because their wasn't a police department FB feed? I don't know. I just know it really feels like crime is up.
Crime may very well be up in your suburb - I can't tell you that it isn't.

I know that people tell me to think that crime feels up in SF. In fact they are sure of it. A lot of that "feeling" is from media coverage which gets parroted here by a few people.

The actual data, which I posted recently and below, shows that crime in fact is quite a bit lower than it has been historically.

Anecdotally, I went to the Haight last night to grab some pizza. I left my young kids in the car while I ran in to grab the pie. That is NOT something I would have done 5 or 10 years ago because the Haight used to be quite sketchy. I still thought twice about it, but I was barely more concerned than I would have been doing the same thing in a suburb.

I live near Golden Gate Park and run there a few times per week. The edge of the park near the Panhandle used to be a haven for homeless people and drum circles but hasn't been that way for several years. I would avoid that area with my kids but now it's no issue whatsoever.

I know I'm supposed to "feel" like things are worse than ever, but that's not what I see with my own two eyes.

Or what the data shows.

Quote:

San Francisco, CA Today Mayor London N. Breed announced the City's public safety efforts yielded significant results in 2023 with crime dropping year over year. In 2023, overall crime was at its lowest point in the last ten years, other than the 2020 year when San Francisco and the region was mostly shut down due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The drop in crime is driven by significant decreases in property crime, most notably larceny thefts that include car break-ins and retail theft. Violent crime also remains below pre-pandemic levels. These crime trends are continuing in the first month of 2024, as are the city's efforts to confront its public safety challenges.

In total, San Francisco's crime rate in 2023 was lower than any period in the last ten years, except for 2020 when the pandemic caused a Citywide shutdown:
  • Overall Crime: 7% decrease from 2022 and a 13% decrease from 2019
  • Property Crime: Lower than any period in the last 10 years, except for 2020
  • Violent Crime: Remains below pre-pandemic levels, down 11% from 2019





https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/richmond-district-san-francisco-18599211.php%23:~:text%3DThe%2520number%2520of%2520reported%2520robberies,in%2520the%2520district%2520since%25202017.&ved=2ahUKEwiLlM2qhPeEAxUNwOYEHeF8ANcQFnoECBMQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2ZdR5eTpFbhBjoHyiaaqgc

Like we've spoken about before there are many good areas in SF. Unfortunately there are still many bad areas. Sadly, my home district is one of them. Also, and most definitely, the amount of drug abusing, mentally ill folks roaming around and setting up camp in SF is far worse than when I was a young man. They can fix this easily but they don't and I don't have inside info to know why.

Thanks for sharing - sad to hear that there has been a spike in crime in the Richmond. My brother lived there until a few years ago and really enjoyed it.

I don't think that this article shows the Richmond to be a "bad area" but perhaps if the trend continues it would become one.

As for being able to "fix it easily," if it were easy Reagan would have done it. Drugs and mental illness are a nationwide problem and have been for decades. Thinking that complex, multi-variable problems are "easily" fixed is perhaps one of the larger flaws with our political establishment. If they were honest with Americans and said hat the challenges we face require consistent investment and hard work, they would never win elections. Better to offer empty promises and just do nothing.


Politicians not being able to fix ongoing problems wouldn't be my first reason as to why something is hard to fix. You can't live on the streets. If you do we will move you to the federally funded facilities in Lebo Kansas (and other empty, cheap areas to build). You will be treated fairly until you can live on your own or die. Quit trying to find temporary places to house these folks in the most expensive places in the world. Seems like a dumb 'plan'.
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Author Michael Shellenberger claims the first step Europe took is to call them what they are - open air drug bazaars and mental illness.

A former drug dependent in Vancouver who now works in the 'industry' says the new idea of needing thousands of new permanent housing spots is off base.

Of coarse, the drug bazaar inhabitants here have to compete with illegal immigrants who have usurped most formerly low income housing in Marin's Canal District, the Mission, Concord, Pittsburg, Antioch, Tracy, East San Jose, etc. and will often live 4, 6, or the more adults to a residence. (Increased competition.)
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A repost from last month. I was criticized because it came from a Conservative think tank, but, naturally, no alternative solution was offered by the critic.

If treatment doesn't come before housing, you end up with the situation of spending several million dollars repairing the hotel rooms destroyed by the homeless sheltered in them during the pandemic.

Oh, and the Red States have been Gov. Abbott-ing their homeless to the Bay Area for years via free one way bus tickets.




How To Solve Our Soaring Homelessness Problem | The Heritage Foundation


https://www.heritage.org/civil-society/commentary/how-solve-our-soaring-homelessness-problem

"Homelessness set two records in 2023. The increase in homelessness between 2022 and 2023 was the largest ever recorded since the government began collecting data in 2007. That brought the number of Americans living in homeless shelters and on the streets to an all-time high.

….. Some unique factors contributed to the jump in homelessness in 2023, but policies to address homelessness have been off track for a long time. For two decades, the federal government has taken a "housing first" approach to homelessness, focusing on "permanent supportive housing" with low or no barriers to entry.

This means providing permanent housing without any conditions, such as meeting sobriety requirements, participating in drug treatment, engaging in mental health counseling or participating in job training. The idea is that giving a person housing will solve homelessness.

…… For example, between 2010 and 2019 California increased its number of permanent supportive housing units by 25,000, but the number of unsheltered homeless people in the state increased by 50%.

….. The Birmingham Model is an example of a successful treatment-first program. It combines housing with treatment, providing people with a private unit while requiring recipients to abstain from substance abuse. Those who fail to remain sober are moved to a spot in a shelter; they can work toward regaining the private unit by staying sober for a week.


….. The federal government should stop prioritizing the costly and inefficient housing-first approach. Instead, funding for programs addressing homelessness should be tied to improved outcomes, such as reduced substance abuse, better mental health, moving people into self-supported housing, and reducing overall rates of homelessness. Approaches to helping the homeless will vary based on the individual.
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Closing the border would also help, decreasing the supply of hard drugs & increasing prices.

The Vancouver man I mentioned said immediate drug-rehab intake is wise... if a person on the streets decides to get clean, you can't tell them to come back in 7 days. Strike while the iron is hot.
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President Trump on closing the border, working with the President of Mexico to shut down the cartels.

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