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sycasey said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

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I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

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Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

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Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

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You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

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I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

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Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

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I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

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I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

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Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

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Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

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He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

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I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

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So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

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There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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dajo9 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

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I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

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Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

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Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

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You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

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I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

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Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

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I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

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I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

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Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

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Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

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He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

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I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

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So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

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There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

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Systematic by the Republican Party? No. Many attempts by Trump himself (and his proxies)? Yes.

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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dajo9 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

---

I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

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Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

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Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

---

You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

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I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

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Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

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I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

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I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

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Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

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Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

---

He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

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I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

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So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

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There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

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Systematic by the Republican Party? No. Many attempts by Trump himself (and his proxies)? Yes.

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Debatable at best. Do you concede that the democratic party colluded to skirt the democratic process?

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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dajo9 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

---

I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

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Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

---

Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

---

You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

---

I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

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Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

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I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

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I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

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Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

---

Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

---

He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

---

I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

---

So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

---

There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

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Systematic by the Republican Party? No. Many attempts by Trump himself (and his proxies)? Yes.

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Debatable at best. Do you concede that the democratic party colluded to skirt the democratic process?

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I guess you can make an argument for that. But IMO changing out a party nominee isn't really that. Parties have always had the right to choose their own nominees and the primary popular-vote system is something they choose to do, not something they have to do. I think a lot of folks don't realize that. There are plenty of legitimate democracies today (and the US in the past) where there are no primaries and parties just choose their own candidates. That's not necessarily skirting any process.

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sycasey said:

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B.D.Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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dajo9 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

---

I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

---

Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

---

Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

---

You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

---

I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

---

Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

---

I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

---

I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

---

Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

---

Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

---

He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

---

I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

---

So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

---

There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

---

Systematic by the Republican Party? No. Many attempts by Trump himself (and his proxies)? Yes.

---

Debatable at best. Do you concede that the democratic party colluded to skirt the democratic process?

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I guess you can make an argument for that. But IMO changing out a party nominee isn't really that. Parties have always had the right to choose their own nominees and the primary popular-vote system is something they choose to do, not something they have to do. I think a lot of folks don't realize that. There are plenty of legitimate democracies today (and the US in the past) where there are no primaries and parties just choose their own candidates. That's not necessarily skirting any process.

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I appreciate you sharing your opinion. I disagree but can see why some may feel the way you do.

Canadians: "We're joining the EU! Take THAT, Trump!"

EU: "Yeah, take THAT, Trump!"

*EU looks at Canada's complete mess of regulations, interprovincial trade barriers, and business-hostile environment*

EU: "Yeah Canada, uhhhhh, don't call us, we'll call you." https://t.co/TfniKvtntV

— Matt Forney (@mattforney) October 28, 2026

So much for Canada and the EU partnership

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sycasey said:

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B.D.Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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dajo9 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

---

I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

---

Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

---

Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

---

You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

---

I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

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Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

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I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

---

I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

---

Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

---

Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

---

He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

---

I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

---

So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

---

There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

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Systematic by the Republican Party? No. Many attempts by Trump himself (and his proxies)? Yes.

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Debatable at best. Do you concede that the democratic party colluded to skirt the democratic process?

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Many of the Dems who voted for Biden in the 2024 primaries -- if they had a do-over after that first debate -- probably would have voted for a different candidate.

I do think choosing Kamala Harris, the way it was done, could have been more "democratic", but if no rules were broken, it just becomes politics, not "undemocratic".

You people have always been desperately searching for something to conflate to the level of Trump's bs.

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sycasey said:

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B.D.Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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dajo9 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

---

I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

---

Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

---

Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

---

You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

---

I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

---

Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

---

I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

---

I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

---

Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

---

Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

---

He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

---

I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

---

So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

---

There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

---

Systematic by the Republican Party? No. Many attempts by Trump himself (and his proxies)? Yes.

---

Debatable at best. Do you concede that the democratic party colluded to skirt the democratic process?

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Many of the Dems who voted for Biden in the 2024 primaries -- if they had a do-over after that first debate -- probably would have voted for a different candidate.

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Not to mention that the major contenders on the Dem side didn't even run in that primary because it's very hard to challenge a sitting President. Biden even trying to run again was the original sin here. The rest was everyone scrambling to try to pick up the pieces from that selfish decision.

This is funny after Obama recently called the investigation by Trump "appalling."

BREAKING via NYT: In 2016, the Obama administration investigated Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) and found “some evidence that Ms. Omar had entered into a sham marriage with a man suspected of being her brother”, but the case and potential felony charges stalled because of a 5 year…

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) October 29, 2026

He just can't keep showing how big of a RACIST he is.







Trump Mocks Black and Jewish People Voting for El-Sayed: 'You're Crazy Anyway'

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

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I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

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Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

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Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

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You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

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I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

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Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

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I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

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I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

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Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

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Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

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He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

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I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

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So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

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There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

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You are mistaken. There absolutely was a systematic attempt by Republicans to overturn the 2020 election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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dajo9 said:

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bearister said:

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

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I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

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Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

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Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

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You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

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I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

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Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

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I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

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I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

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Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

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Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

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He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

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I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

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So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

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There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

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You are mistaken. There absolutely was a systematic attempt by Republicans to overturn the 2020 election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

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No there wasn't. Individuals, not the party at large and not on behalf of the party.

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dajo9 said:

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B.D.Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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dajo9 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

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I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

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Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

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Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

---

You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

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I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

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Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

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I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

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I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

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Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

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Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

---

He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

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I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

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So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

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There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

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You are mistaken. There absolutely was a systematic attempt by Republicans to overturn the 2020 election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

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No there wasn't. Individuals, not the party at large and not on behalf of the party.

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Wrong.

Republican Party Officials on behalf of the Party.
Systematically. In 7 battleground states.

Trump pressured then-vice president Mike Pence to count the fake electors instead of the electors certified by state governments.

A GRAND JURY INDICTED TRUMP ON 4 CHARGES.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_prosecution_of_Donald_Trump_(election_obstruction_case)

BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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B.D.Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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dajo9 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

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I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

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Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

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Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

---

You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

---

I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

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Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

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I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

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I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

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Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

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Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

---

He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

---

I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

---

So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

---

There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

---

You are mistaken. There absolutely was a systematic attempt by Republicans to overturn the 2020 election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

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No there wasn't. Individuals, not the party at large and not on behalf of the party.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa …. Ok then …. Name the individuals that you believe tried to overturn the election…..

Tedhead94 the II said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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B.D.Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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sycasey said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Big C said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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dajo9 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Trump is the worst POTUS in the lifetime of anyone that has ever lived from George Washington's presidency to the present time. He is also the most corrupt……and history will adjudge him so.

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Nah, Bush Jr was way worse- we are still dealing with his disasters. Trump is mostly inconsequential

---

I understand your point. Bush Jr was conventionally bad in an unmatched way in our lifetime. Trump is unconventionally bad in a way that threatens and weakens the Republic (attacking elections, atracking the media, copying up with dictators, grifting for billions of dollars).

Lots of people here voted for them 5 times and will claim to have good judgment.

---

Pretty much everything Trump has been done can be reversed.

---

Not so sure.

Okay, our foreign relations might be easy: "That was Trump; he was a one-off. Let's wipe the slate clean."

The tariffs? Just reverse then. Same with spending priorities.

But ethical standards, selfless behavior and respect for institutions seem like they are easy to degrade but hard to build back up.

---

You think all that just happened with Trump? It's been bipartisan rot for decades

Bankers rape the country nothing happens

Bush and Cheney rape the country nothing happens

Epstein rapes everyone, nothing happens

A brain dead President and the government assures us he's sharp as a tack until a presidential debate.

Take a look at what polls say about our institutions, they've been on the skids for a long time, our " democracy" as well.

---

I think there is a significant difference between the two sides. Not to say that the Dems always occupy the moral high ground... referring more to policies. In terms of morality, though, we've reached a new low with DJT.

I get that InstitutionalistBear is an entirely different poster.

---

Morality is entirely subjective. Many would argue Biden was the lowest tier of morality when he wasn't even actually acting as president. Or when he flooded the borders. Or when he and his team skirted the democratic system and put Kamala in as the dem candidate.

---

I'm pretty sure Biden's team wanted him to be the candidate, not Kamala. The rest of the party coalesced around her as the best option, given the short runway.

---

I don't remember Biden or his team speaking out against it as the leader of the democratic party

---

Once he stepped out of the race he was no longer the leader of the party. And let's not be cute and act like he stepped down entirely of his own accord. It was intense pressure from everyone else that got him to step down.

---

Got him to step down and shut up. He played along like a good boy. Very democratic. Such a moral party those dems are.

---

He played himself out of the job with that debate performance.

I'm not suggesting any of this was moral. It was about having the best chance of winning, as all political parties try to do.

---

I don't debate that but the post was in relation to morality so I'm glad we agree there

---

So if we're going to talk about morality and protecting the democratic system then we should also talk about the degrees of difference between swapping out a party nominee because the existing one has either dropped out or been incapacitated and trying to overturn the results of the actual final vote.

---

There were no systematic attempts to try and overturn the results. There were individuals who marched on the Capitol. The Republican party didn't collude to bypass our Democratic systems.

---

You are mistaken. There absolutely was a systematic attempt by Republicans to overturn the 2020 election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

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No there wasn't. Individuals, not the party at large and not on behalf of the party.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa …. Ok then …. Name the individuals that you believe tried to overturn the election…..

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Fascists

Nothing to see here.
We are the "hottest country in the world" right now.

C = A around 24,670

Wow, that seemed unlikely 30 years ago. Happy birthday Grace.

****s going down in Poland right now. Some judges on the Constitutional Tribunal who are more on the government's side just suspended the court's president (and his deputy), Bogdan wiczkowski who's a leftover from the old PiS government. Tusk's people are saying it's needed to actually fix the rule of law, but the PiS side is calling it a straight-up coup. Riot police locked down the court building in Warsaw while protesters (including Kaczyski himself) showed up, some of them clashed with cops, threw stuff, tried climbing the fences, and three people got detained. Meanwhile the president, who's aligned with the opposition, was already flying to Senegal, found out what was happening, and literally turned the plane around mid-air to come straight back. Absolute chaos.

Game over.

LA beaten.

Always nice to see.!

I'm out, best to you Wags!

HAPPY 95th, Dan!

Bonus Trivia Reference:

bearister said:

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This is the final auger in of a private jet dropping 32.000 feet in 60 seconds:

https://mol.im/a/16257059

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Just heard the audio from the cockpit, sounds like an ice issue and then the pilot completely loses their cool and freaks out. No clue if a calmer head could have done something but it's clear the pilot was not able to control their emotions.

I read nine souls lost, sad news.

BREAKING NEWS: HALEY STEVENS IS ENDORSING...

MinotStateBeav said:

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BREAKING NEWS: HALEY STEVENS IS ENDORSING...

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Breaking news: someone named Haley Stevens just ended her political career. News at 11

Watched this live. Truly, something is wrong. It was bizarre, it was at times incomprehensible and just….truly a WTF moment. https://t.co/JzeHjmg1Gj

— Regina Ham (@regina_ham) November 2, 2026

At least this distracts the GOP from having to answer anything about the cost of living and affordability for a few days under Donald Twump.