Kamala Harris (not necessarily OT)

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Anarchistbear said:

Calaveras County where you live, right Tom? Big Trump county. Racists and xenophobic central. How are you surviving- are there swatstikas on the " I'm with her" lawn signs?
Placer.
There's more blue Bay Area types moving up here all the time.
It's not as bad as true hick country.
ducky23
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While Amy klobuchar is busy running for "king beyond the wall", looks like Harris is still the current front runner of those who have declared.

It's still early, but doesn't look like warren is going to be able to recover from the Native American fiasco. Klobuchar lacks wattage (and is probably too moderate in this day and age). Booker is too early to tell.

Let's see what the three B's do in the up coming months (Biden, Beto, Bernie)

I still think Harris is best situated to put together the varying groups you need (minorities, progressives, women, youth) to build a strong democratic coalition, but Beto is still a wildcard.
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ducky23 said:

It's still early, but doesn't look like warren is going to be able to recover from the Native American fiasco. Klobuchar lacks wattage (and is probably too moderate in this day and age). Booker is too early to tell.
For the space aliens learning English by reading Off Topic, this is what the man Ducky23 means by "wattage":


(Naomi Watts)
sycasey
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ducky23 said:

While Amy klobuchar is busy running for "king beyond the wall", looks like Harris is still the current front runner of those who have declared.

It's still early, but doesn't look like warren is going to be able to recover from the Native American fiasco. Klobuchar lacks wattage (and is probably too moderate in this day and age). Booker is too early to tell.

Let's see what the three B's do in the up coming months (Biden, Beto, Bernie)

I still think Harris is best situated to put together the varying groups you need (minorities, progressives, women, youth) to build a strong democratic coalition, but Beto is still a wildcard.


Warren should have run against Hillary in 2016. She probably missed her moment (though honestly it's still too early to write anyone off).
oski003
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Is the Willie Brown scandal going to hinder KMs chances?
blungld
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For Republicans accentuating your native-american heritage is a lie worthy of discrediting an entire political career, but twenty years of affiliating with mafia, money laundering, and lying about everything in one's life is the basis of creating a political career.
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oski003 said:

Is the Willie Brown scandal going to hinder KMs chances?


Is that the one where she colluded with Russians, surrounded herself with felons, went bankrupt 6 times, paid off multiple porn stars and got caught lying about it, advocated the death penalty for 5 innocent black kids, ran a fraudulent charitable foundation, ran a fraudulent university, hired a bunch of undocumented workers, admitted to doing business with mobsters, got sued by the DOJ for prejudice against black people as a landlord, made up the birther conspiracy or was it like something really bad like having consensual relations with an adult?
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ducky23 said:

It's still early, but doesn't look like warren is going to be able to recover from the Native American fiasco.
It's such a stupid thing to care about in either direction.
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Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Is the Willie Brown scandal going to hinder KMs chances?


Is that the one where she colluded with Russians, surrounded herself with felons, went bankrupt 6 times, paid off multiple porn stars and got caught lying about it, advocated the death penalty for 5 innocent black kids, ran a fraudulent charitable foundation, ran a fraudulent university, hired a bunch of undocumented workers, admitted to doing business with mobsters, got sued by the DOJ for prejudice against black people as a landlord, made up the birther conspiracy or was it like something really bad like having consensual relations with an adult?


As far as I know, the Willie Brown Kamala Harris scandal has nothing to do with birthers and porn stars.
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oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Is the Willie Brown scandal going to hinder KMs chances?


Is that the one where she colluded with Russians, surrounded herself with felons, went bankrupt 6 times, paid off multiple porn stars and got caught lying about it, advocated the death penalty for 5 innocent black kids, ran a fraudulent charitable foundation, ran a fraudulent university, hired a bunch of undocumented workers, admitted to doing business with mobsters, got sued by the DOJ for prejudice against black people as a landlord, made up the birther conspiracy or was it like something really bad like having consensual relations with an adult?


As far as I know, the Willie Brown Kamala Harris scandal has nothing to do with birthers and porn stars.
So if a female politician has an affair with a married man, that's a scandal, but if the president has an affair with a porn star and paid her off to keep her quiet about it, that's not a scandal.

Anarchistbear
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F$cking someone is not a scandal. What will hurt her is the fact she hasn't faced any opposition in CA. She's never had to defend her character or her views as she's lived in a bubble where all her opponents were all Democrats and mostly indistinguishable from her.. But as soon as this honeymoon ends she will be brutalized by the press, the opposition and also will take fire from the left where she is thought of not as a progressive but a self- promoting "cop". I don't think she'll make it.

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/31/kamala-harris-and-the-myth-of-a-progressive-cop/

ducky23
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oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

oski003 said:

Is the Willie Brown scandal going to hinder KMs chances?


Is that the one where she colluded with Russians, surrounded herself with felons, went bankrupt 6 times, paid off multiple porn stars and got caught lying about it, advocated the death penalty for 5 innocent black kids, ran a fraudulent charitable foundation, ran a fraudulent university, hired a bunch of undocumented workers, admitted to doing business with mobsters, got sued by the DOJ for prejudice against black people as a landlord, made up the birther conspiracy or was it like something really bad like having consensual relations with an adult?


As far as I know, the Willie Brown Kamala Harris scandal has nothing to do with birthers and porn stars.


Can you explain why it's a "scandal"

Brown was separated (though not officially divorced) from his then wife for years when he was in a relationship with Harris.

I suppose there's the nepotism angle. But trump probably isn't the one to credibly make that allegation.
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ducky23 said:



Can you explain why it's a "scandal"
Ditto on this. Brown and his wife had been separated amicably since 1981 [Source: NYT]. Or is the scandal that she was appointed to the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and the Medical Assistance Commission by Brown in 1994, presumably overlapping with a period when they were in a relationship. Which part is the scandal? If you're calling either of these scandals, then the answer to your question is nobody cares. Would either of these matters cause you not to vote for someone?
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B.A. Bearacus
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This woman is stronger and just a better American in every way than the president:

sycasey
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ducky23 said:

Can you explain why it's a "scandal"
He can't, because the point isn't to actually learn anything about Kamala Harris, it's to put this idea into the conversation so that people are all talking about it. Doesn't matter if it's discredited or disproven, it's out there now. Now one of the leading liberal candidates is subtly undermined, regardless of truth.



Don't fall for the trick.
Another Bear
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If you want to blame anyone, blame Willie. I doubt Senator Harris understood at that age then consequences. Otherwise, look at the azzhole in office as POTUS. Same generation as Willie. Both are old school dog, although Willie is NOT a traitor to America, a Russkie asset or a criminal. I knew a couple of people who worked as aides to Willie and they too were in fact dogs of the same kind. Of course one dude got his payback of sorts. He got married and had 4 girls. Everyone said the same thing...yeah he's gonna run around chasing guys just like him.
oski003
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Willie Brown:

Yes, we dated. It was more than 20 years ago. Yes, I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was Assembly speaker.

And I certainly helped with her first race for district attorney in San Francisco. I have also helped the careers of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and a host of other politicians

...

When they met, she was 29 and he was 60. Anyway, it's more of a glass houses issue. I guess nobody gets to throw stones.
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While I like Klobacher because she has a chance to win and seems likeable...turns out she has a staff abuse issues and that might be a problem going forward. Of course if that's all they have, it's nothing compared to the f'tard in office now...on display daily. Of course Kobacher might get the double standard treatment as women.
sycasey
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oski003 said:


When they met, she was 29 and he was 60. Anyway, it's more of a glass houses issue. I guess nobody gets to throw stones. Only rape and racism accusations based on high school or college events are fair game.
False equivalence alert!
oski003
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oski003
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sycasey said:

oski003 said:


When they met, she was 29 and he was 60. Anyway, it's more of a glass houses issue. I guess nobody gets to throw stones. Only rape and racism accusations based on high school or college events are fair game.
False equivalence alert!


I will edit that out. It was a joke
Yogi Bear
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oski003 said:

Willie Brown:

Yes, we dated. It was more than 20 years ago. Yes, I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was Assembly speaker.

And I certainly helped with her first race for district attorney in San Francisco. I have also helped the careers of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and a host of other politicians

...

When they met, she was 29 and he was 60. Anyway, it's more of a glass houses issue. I guess nobody gets to throw stones.
So you didn't vote for Trump then because of your deep rooted moral values, huh?
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oski003 said:

Willie Brown:

Yes, we dated. It was more than 20 years ago. Yes, I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was Assembly speaker.

And I certainly helped with her first race for district attorney in San Francisco. I have also helped the careers of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and a host of other politicians

...

When they met, she was 29 and he was 60. Anyway, it's more of a glass houses issue. I guess nobody gets to throw stones.
Can you see that what you are doing is trying to discredit or cause controversy or make false equivalence, rather than actually try and figure out the character of the woman? This is why the us vs them is so bad right now, because ideas like this are floated out there not out of real interest or trying to find a truth or because you really want information, the question itself is a statement of belief by you. You are not really asking a question. Your mind is made up and the question is only an intention to score points for your side.

I know the temptation is to defend your own, and to see the other side as doing the same thing (If the situation were reversed it would be hard for me to concede this too), but it is not a case that "both sides do it." It is the right who have engaged in a type of rhetoric and debate that has become more and more extreme over the last 20 years that is causing the rift. It is not both sides fault.

Yes, liberals make mistakes and have strong opinions and say dumb things and have faults and can learn from the right. But Liberals are entering into discussions trying to figure out the truth and to make good arguments to convince others to agree with them. Even if you disagree with their positions, the effort is reasonable and fair and honestly attempted.

The FOX News and Alex Jones Republicans are not interested in any kind of fair or reasoned debate. They don't even have a principle or belief to argue for. They are just arguing to win the argument or make the Liberal wrong. That is the root of the divisiveness. When one side cares not about the truth or making the best decision anymore, they just want to be on the side that wins, the country as a whole loses and we spend all this energy arguing about things that actually do not matter or that no one really cares about or is not the real problem. We are debating symbols when there is real crisis we should be talking about honestly to make all of our lives better. That's what politics is for. Not winning, just making our lives a little better.

The Right needs to start caring about the real every day life experience and the 70 years we each get on the planet, and not Pyrrhic victory about defeating these symbolic, often nonexistent, enemies. We can't make you see how you are doing this, you have to have the guts to admit that you are in the wrong, not on the issues necessarily, but how you are arguing and not attempting to coexist with others.
sycasey
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blungld said:

Can you see that what you are doing is trying to discredit or cause controversy or make false equivalence, rather than actually try and figure out the character of the woman? This is why the us vs them is so bad right now, because ideas like this are floated out there not out of real interest or trying to find a truth or because you really want information, the question itself is a statement of belief by you. You are not really asking a question. Your mind is made up and the question is only an intention to score points for your side.
"The card says moops."

Yogi Bear
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blungld said:

oski003 said:

Willie Brown:

Yes, we dated. It was more than 20 years ago. Yes, I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was Assembly speaker.

And I certainly helped with her first race for district attorney in San Francisco. I have also helped the careers of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and a host of other politicians

...

When they met, she was 29 and he was 60. Anyway, it's more of a glass houses issue. I guess nobody gets to throw stones.
Can you see that what you are doing is trying to discredit or cause controversy or make false equivalence, rather than actually try and figure out the character of the woman? This is why the us vs them is so bad right now, because ideas like this are floated out there not out of real interest or trying to find a truth or because you really want information, the question itself is a statement of belief by you. You are not really asking a question. Your mind is made up and the question is only an intention to score points for your side.

I know the temptation is to defend your own, and to see the other side as doing the same thing (If the situation were reversed it would be hard for me to concede this too), but it is not a case that "both sides do it." It is the right who have engaged in a type of rhetoric and debate that has become more and more extreme over the last 20 years that is causing the rift. It is not both sides fault.

Yes, liberals make mistakes and have strong opinions and say dumb things and have faults and can learn from the right. But Liberals are entering into discussions trying to figure out the truth and to make good arguments to convince others to agree with them. Even if you disagree with their positions, the effort is reasonable and fair and honestly attempted.

The FOX News and Alex Jones Republicans are not interested in any kind of fair or reasoned debate. They don't even have a principle or belief to argue for. They are just arguing to win the argument or make the Liberal wrong. That is the root of the divisiveness. When one side cares not about the truth or making the best decision anymore, they just want to be on the side that wins, the country as a whole loses and we spend all this energy arguing about things that actually do not matter or that no one really cares about or is not the real problem. We are debating symbols when there is real crisis we should be talking about honestly to make all of our lives better. That's what politics is for. Not winning, just making our lives a little better.

The Right needs to start caring about the real every day life experience and the 70 years we each get on the planet, and not Pyrrhic victory about defeating these symbolic, often nonexistent, enemies. We can't make you see how you are doing this, you have to have the guts to admit that you are in the wrong, not on the issues necessarily, but how you are arguing and not attempting to coexist with others.
Yesterday I posted a 20 minute video of Ocasio-Cortez being interviewed on MSNBC and put forth the controversial opinion that whether you agree with or disagree with her, she's not stupid. The good part of that is now I know for sure that at least some of my "friend" list actually reads what I write. At least later on when someone uncovers me wearing Nazi periphernalia in ninth grade, I'll know someone out there will care when I defend myself on social media.
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