The premise is dumb! Cal has over 30,000 undergraduates, and 1 acts like an ass so we should condemn the entire University and the other 29,999 students. No, that is dumb, it is one dude acting like an idiot (and we should wait to judge as I don't typically trust cropped videos like this, particularly when the content's author is obviously shaping the conversation).santacruzbear said:
wifeisafurd said:
We don't have the whole film... don't rush to judgement quite yet (this from one of the more conservative posters on OT).
It is all over the news.Goobear said:
Well if roles were reversed would it not be all over?
A couple of kids get into a disagreement and it makes the "news". Yikes. I'm thankful social media didn't exist during my days at Berkeley. Heck, someday these guys will get together over a beer and laugh about all the stupid things they did in their college days. It isn't about politics. It's about growing up......LunchTime said:wifeisafurd said:
We don't have the whole film... don't rush to judgement quite yet (this from one of the more conservative posters on OT).
One should not have to be liberal or conservative to avoid falling for "outrage" media. Especially if it is clear who is supposed to be outraged and who is supposed to excuse it.
Where? CNN has 90 stories on their site and 20 videos and none of them are of this story. MSNBC has 36 and none of them are this incident. They'd be the lead story if the student punched were a Dem and the perpetrator a guy in a MAGA hat.sycasey said:It is all over the news.Goobear said:
Well if roles were reversed would it not be all over?
And threatened to shoot him as well. Sorry but if the roles were reversed this would be on CNN not Bearinsider.bearlyamazing said:Where? CNN has 90 stories on their site and 20 videos and none of them are of this story. MSNBC has 36 and none of them are this incident. They'd be the lead story if the student punched were a Dem and the perpetrator a guy in a MAGA hat.sycasey said:It is all over the news.Goobear said:
Well if roles were reversed would it not be all over?
Let's be real here.
And a massive LOL to 71bear's, "A couple of kids get into a disagreement" nonsense. In what world? Two punches to the face will get you jail time in most situations, especially violently delivered with lots of witnesses.
bearlyamazing said:Where? CNN has 90 stories on their site and 20 videos and none of them are of this story. MSNBC has 36 and none of them are this incident. They'd be the lead story if the student punched were a Dem and the perpetrator a guy in a MAGA hat.sycasey said:It is all over the news.Goobear said:
Well if roles were reversed would it not be all over?
Let's be real here.
And a massive LOL to 71bear's, "A couple of kids get into a disagreement" nonsense. In what world? Two punches to the face will get you jail time in most situations, especially violently delivered with lots of witnesses.
It was in our day. Yup, this was called a tussle then. Now it is about college codes of conduct. If the kid throwing the punch wasn't physically attacked first or in fear, he may be facing some serious sanctions if he is a student or employee. Also in these days of lawsuits, there is the proverbial rights violation in federal court. I'm sure deep pocket Cal will get sued somehow.71Bear said:A couple of kids get into a disagreement and it makes the "news". Yikes. I'm thankful social media didn't exist during my days at Berkeley. Heck, someday these guys will get together over a beer and laugh about all the stupid things they did in their college days. It isn't about politics. It's about growing up......LunchTime said:wifeisafurd said:
We don't have the whole film... don't rush to judgement quite yet (this from one of the more conservative posters on OT).
One should not have to be liberal or conservative to avoid falling for "outrage" media. Especially if it is clear who is supposed to be outraged and who is supposed to excuse it.
It is on google news and other internet news sites. I don't think it will have legs, though the administration and police probably will go after the kid who threw the punches because that is what they do these days. '71 is right, in the old days this would be considered a scrap between two college kids and forgotten.sycasey said:bearlyamazing said:Where? CNN has 90 stories on their site and 20 videos and none of them are of this story. MSNBC has 36 and none of them are this incident. They'd be the lead story if the student punched were a Dem and the perpetrator a guy in a MAGA hat.sycasey said:It is all over the news.Goobear said:
Well if roles were reversed would it not be all over?
Let's be real here.
And a massive LOL to 71bear's, "A couple of kids get into a disagreement" nonsense. In what world? Two punches to the face will get you jail time in most situations, especially violently delivered with lots of witnesses.
Not sure, I haven't looked everywhere. I know when I came home and the local news was on (ABC 7), it was one of the lead stories. It certainly came to this board quickly enough. It's not as though it isn't being reported.
If you're wondering why it's not national news on the level of Jussie Smollett, it's probably because he was an actor on a popular network show and this is one attack on an unknown college student. The levels of fame are not comparable. Maybe give it more than six hours to percolate through the news cycle though.
golden sloth said:The premise is dumb! Cal has over 30,000 undergraduates, and 1 acts like an ass so we should condemn the entire University and the other 29,999 students. No, that is dumb, it is one dude acting like an idiot (and we should wait to judge as I don't typically trust cropped videos like this, particularly when the content's author is obviously shaping the conversation).santacruzbear said:
There is no silencing of Conservative speech on campus, there is no Liberal mob out to hurt Conservatives, these are just narratives Conservatives created to manufacture fear from the stupid and ill-informed to make them feel victimized and outraged.
Yep. I saw a lot of "scraps" in my time on campus and none of them resulted in legal action. It was (and still is) nothing more than kids getting riled up and not being mature enough to find a more appropriate outlet for expressing themselves. Nothing to see here, move on......wifeisafurd said:It is on google news and other internet news sites. I don't think it will have legs, though the administration and police probably will go after the kid who threw the punches because that is what they do these days. '71 is right, in the old days this would be considered a scrap between two college kids and forgotten.sycasey said:bearlyamazing said:Where? CNN has 90 stories on their site and 20 videos and none of them are of this story. MSNBC has 36 and none of them are this incident. They'd be the lead story if the student punched were a Dem and the perpetrator a guy in a MAGA hat.sycasey said:It is all over the news.Goobear said:
Well if roles were reversed would it not be all over?
Let's be real here.
And a massive LOL to 71bear's, "A couple of kids get into a disagreement" nonsense. In what world? Two punches to the face will get you jail time in most situations, especially violently delivered with lots of witnesses.
Not sure, I haven't looked everywhere. I know when I came home and the local news was on (ABC 7), it was one of the lead stories. It certainly came to this board quickly enough. It's not as though it isn't being reported.
If you're wondering why it's not national news on the level of Jussie Smollett, it's probably because he was an actor on a popular network show and this is one attack on an unknown college student. The levels of fame are not comparable. Maybe give it more than six hours to percolate through the news cycle though.
1. Sometimes settling is cheaper than going to court and winning, and Cal (as with all institutions) has to look at the bottom when they make these decisions.LunchTime said:golden sloth said:The premise is dumb! Cal has over 30,000 undergraduates, and 1 acts like an ass so we should condemn the entire University and the other 29,999 students. No, that is dumb, it is one dude acting like an idiot (and we should wait to judge as I don't typically trust cropped videos like this, particularly when the content's author is obviously shaping the conversation).santacruzbear said:
There is no silencing of Conservative speech on campus, there is no Liberal mob out to hurt Conservatives, these are just narratives Conservatives created to manufacture fear from the stupid and ill-informed to make them feel victimized and outraged.
Who upvoted this nonsense?
I mean, the first paragraph, sure. But the second is intellectually dishonest or completely ignorant. Cal JUST settled on with campus conservative groups relating to bias, and there was a LITERAL liberal mob on campus destroying property in the name of silencing speach just over a year ago.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/3/17644180/political-correctness-free-speech-liberal-data-georgetownQuote:
There are well over 4,000 colleges and universities in the United States. And multiple attempts to catalog free speech incidents on campus, from different sources, keep coming up with numbers in the dozens. And of those dozens, a fairly large percentage of the targets are liberals, and a fairly large percentage of the others were conservative speakers who seem to have come to campus with the intent of provoking students.
golden sloth said:1. Sometimes settling is cheaper than going to court and winning, and Cal (as with all institutions) has to look at the bottom when they make these decisions.LunchTime said:golden sloth said:The premise is dumb! Cal has over 30,000 undergraduates, and 1 acts like an ass so we should condemn the entire University and the other 29,999 students. No, that is dumb, it is one dude acting like an idiot (and we should wait to judge as I don't typically trust cropped videos like this, particularly when the content's author is obviously shaping the conversation).santacruzbear said:
There is no silencing of Conservative speech on campus, there is no Liberal mob out to hurt Conservatives, these are just narratives Conservatives created to manufacture fear from the stupid and ill-informed to make them feel victimized and outraged.
Who upvoted this nonsense?
I mean, the first paragraph, sure. But the second is intellectually dishonest or completely ignorant. Cal JUST settled on with campus conservative groups relating to bias, and there was a LITERAL liberal mob on campus destroying property in the name of silencing speach just over a year ago.
2. That mob had nothing to do with the University and was not Cal students, so tying it to the University or Student's attempt limit conservative speech is completely dumb. Yes, the campus police should have been better prepared to stop it, but the main point is they didn't organize it (Also, that was 2 years ago, not last year)
3. Conclusions from studying the issue below:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/3/17644180/political-correctness-free-speech-liberal-data-georgetownQuote:
There are well over 4,000 colleges and universities in the United States. And multiple attempts to catalog free speech incidents on campus, from different sources, keep coming up with numbers in the dozens. And of those dozens, a fairly large percentage of the targets are liberals, and a fairly large percentage of the others were conservative speakers who seem to have come to campus with the intent of provoking students.
The Campus Free Speech Crisis is not real, just like vaccines giving kids autism, Sandy Hook being an inside job, and climate change not being a thing.
And other conservative speakers have come to Berkeley since that incident and there was no further violence, so the liberal "mob" silencing conservative speech on campus appears to have been a one-time thing.golden sloth said:
2. That mob had nothing to do with the University and was not Cal students, so tying it to the University or Student's attempt limit conservative speech is completely dumb. Yes, the campus police should have been better prepared to stop it, but the main point is they didn't organize it (Also, that was 2 years ago, not last year)
it was his signs. "This is maga country" and "fake hate crimes hurt real victims."Fyght4Cal said:
The puncher called the punchee a "racist mother****er". I wonder what that was about. Also, the punchee's shirt resembled a Bernie tee.
This is ridiculously simplistic. It isn't just that one college student hit another, it's why. Like if a KKK person was on campus and assaulted an African American it wouldn't just be a story of assault. Duh.CRBear said:
I just hope the survivor can find the courage to come back to campus. Maybe with years of therapy and a large cash settlement from the university he'll be able to put his life back together. Is there a gofundme link I can contribute to? If not, I'll just send thoughts and prayers.
College guy punches other college guy. That requires national news coverage because we want to go back to when America was great and everyone wasn't such a snowflake. We need around the clock team coverage. When America was great they would find the aggressor and suspend him. It might make the local police blotter at most.