And this is your 2020 frontrunner?

Not to mention Corrupt Joe:



Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn't resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn't immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

"I said, 'You're not getting the billion.' I'm going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: 'I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money,'" Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

"Well, son of a *****, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time," Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.

The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden's younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden's American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts usually more than $166,000 a month from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

Obama named Biden the administration's point man on Ukraine in February 2014, after a popular revolution ousted Russia-friendly President Viktor Yanukovych and as Moscow sent military forces into Ukraine's Crimea territory.

According to Schweizer's book, Vice President Biden met with Archer in April 2014 right as Archer was named to the board at Burisma. A month later, Hunter Biden was named to the board, to oversee Burisma's legal team.

But the Ukrainian investigation and Joe Biden's effort to fire the prosecutor overseeing it has escaped without much public debate.

Most of the general prosecutor's investigative work on Burisma focused on three separate cases, and most stopped abruptly once Shokin was fired.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived

We get it. You think Biden is creepier and more corrupt than Deranged Donald and you want to alert Democrats that they should find a better candidate so that you won't be forced to vote for Deranged Donald again.

Also, are you the same person as dbklalw, but just posting from two different accounts?

Ah yes, try to marginalize me by tying me to other accounts or because I post factual items that contradict the bubble worldview here.

No, I don't have or post under any other handle.

Btw, are you comfortable with the way Biden handles himself with little girls and women? Are you comfortable with his son getting named to the Ukranian corporation's board right after Biden was named as Ukraine point man and with his son's company receiving 160k/mo every month? Then him exerting very public pressure to fire the prosecutor investigating the corporation his son's on the board of, as well as his son, for potentially receiving improper payments?

I didn't ask you anything about Trump. I know that's the knee jerk response here. Just answer the questions about Biden.

bearlyamazing said:

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Ah yes, try to marginalize me by tying me to other accounts or because I post factual items that contradict the bubble worldview here.

No, I don't have or post under any other handle.

Btw, are you comfortable with the way Biden handles himself with little girls and women? Are you comfortable with his son getting named to the Ukranian corporation's board right after Biden was named as Ukraine point man and with his son's company receiving 160k/mo every month? Then him exerting very public pressure to fire the prosecutor investigating the corporation his son's on the board of, as well as his son, for potentially receiving improper payments?

I didn't ask you anything about Trump. I know that's the knee jerk response here. Just answer the questions about Biden.

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I most surely will be accused of "whataboutism," but your post does not seem to be made in good faith. If you started by stating that you are against this type of behavior from any candidate, we can debate the merits of the behavior.

This behavior, if substantiated, would trouble me. I, however, have yet to find a sinless person, much less a sinless candidate. I would have to assess a candidate's qualifications based on all facts and not just in isolation to win an argument or engage in a "gotcha" on a message forum

Do you believe this type of behavior is disqualifying, irrespective of party involved? I assume you wish to engage in a good faith debate.

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Also, are you the same person as dbklalw, but just posting from two different accounts?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2016/03/One-Person-One-Vote-e1459374401193.jpeg

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I am extremely confused by this post. Who are you asking and what are you asking? Must everything be accusatory and a pissing contest where it is a debate on personality and not about ideas?

I personally don't find Biden creepy. I find him awkward and a bit familiar but not as creepy as standing over another candidate during debate.

Do you have any comment on the substance of my posts or are we just into forming groups and cliques like some high school social circle?

bearlyamazing said:

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Ah yes, try to marginalize me by tying me to other accounts or because I post factual items that contradict the bubble worldview here.

No, I don't have or post under any other handle.

Btw, are you comfortable with the way Biden handles himself with little girls and women? Are you comfortable with his son getting named to the Ukranian corporation's board right after Biden was named as Ukraine point man and with his son's company receiving 160k/mo every month? Then him exerting very public pressure to fire the prosecutor investigating the corporation his son's on the board of, as well as his son, for potentially receiving improper payments?

I didn't ask you anything about Trump. I know that's the knee jerk response here. Just answer the questions about Biden.

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I've always found Biden to be not very bright. Kind of like an elderly Swalwell.

The 5 presidential candidates in my adult life that stand out for their intelligence, in no particular order, are Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney, and Al Gore. How many did you vote for?

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bearlyamazing said:

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Ah yes, try to marginalize me by tying me to other accounts or because I post factual items that contradict the bubble worldview here.

No, I don't have or post under any other handle.

Btw, are you comfortable with the way Biden handles himself with little girls and women? Are you comfortable with his son getting named to the Ukranian corporation's board right after Biden was named as Ukraine point man and with his son's company receiving 160k/mo every month? Then him exerting very public pressure to fire the prosecutor investigating the corporation his son's on the board of, as well as his son, for potentially receiving improper payments?

I didn't ask you anything about Trump. I know that's the knee jerk response here. Just answer the questions about Biden.

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I've always found Biden to be not very bright. Kind of like an elderly Swalwell.

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In order for him to have accomplished as much as he has, he has to be bright. Maybe not the most articulate speaker, but bright enough to be a monumental improvement over the currently intellectually lazy administration.

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I am extremely confused by this post.

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Anyone who doesn't have a track record on here but comes out guns a-blazing in at least one of their posts after having only one prior post on all BI (from 2014) just makes one wonder. There was another poster on here called iwantwinners that came and went with a lot of bluster and I assume that he used (or uses) another handle so that his views wouldn't be co-mingled with the other one. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's better in many ways for posters not named Cal Strong to post from one account only, especially in the politics forum.

Anyways, if you are a one handle guy, that's all good. Curious, since there were never any proper introductions: any reason for the five-year hiatus from posting?

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The 5 presidential candidates in my adult life that stand out for their intelligence, in no particular order, are Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney, and Al Gore. How many did you vote for?

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I would replace Gore with Kerry.

Biden is not my first choice in the primary, and I will probably not vote for him there. If he makes it to the general election, then his issues with treatment of women and general corruption are absolute peanuts compared to Trump.

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Biden is not my first choice in the primary, and I will probably not vote for him there. If he makes it to the general election, then his issues with treatment of women and general corruption are absolute peanuts compared to Trump.

In order for Biden to become an vialbe candidate, doesn't he have to proclaim that he hates American first. After all, isn't that what all the other candidtates are running on?

And. just what Trump corruption are you talking about? Now, be specific, what has Trump done that is corrupt the Mueller did not find?

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Sonofoski said:

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And. just what Trump corruption are you talking about? Now, be specific, what has Trump done that is corrupt the Mueller did not find?

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https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/january-february-march-2018/a-year-in-trump-corruption/

I think Biden/Harris makes a strong ticket. I'll vote for that over Grab 'em by the p#ssy Deranged Donald/Banshee Pence.

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sycasey said:

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Biden is not my first choice in the primary, and I will probably not vote for him there. If he makes it to the general election, then his issues with treatment of women and general corruption are absolute peanuts compared to Trump.

In order for Biden to become an vialbe candidate, doesn't he have to proclaim that he hates American first. After all, isn't that what all the other candidtates are running on?

And. just what Trump corruption are you talking about? Now, be specific, what has Trump done that is corrupt the Mueller did not find?

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LOL. You are one ignorant dude.

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Sonofoski said:

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And. just what Trump corruption are you talking about? Now, be specific, what has Trump done that is corrupt the Mueller did not find?

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https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/january-february-march-2018/a-year-in-trump-corruption/

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Apparently, Trump is going with Sleepy Joe.
And the left is calling out Trump as a bully.

bearlyamazing said:

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Ah yes, try to marginalize me

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You marginalized yourself.

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I've always found Biden to be not very bright. Kind of like an elderly Swalwell.

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No, he's not a Rhodes scholar.
But he's smart enough.
And I'd rather have a less intelligent guy who is honest but fumbles here and there in his attempts to do the right thing than a less intelligent guy who lies and fumbles here and there as he tries to do the self serving unethical things.

The latter is called criminal.

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Sonofoski said:

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And. just what Trump corruption are you talking about? Now, be specific, what has Trump done that is corrupt the Mueller did not find?

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https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/january-february-march-2018/a-year-in-trump-corruption/

If that's all you got, you've got nothing.

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Sonofoski said:

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And. just what Trump corruption are you talking about? Now, be specific, what has Trump done that is corrupt the Mueller did not find?

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https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/january-february-march-2018/a-year-in-trump-corruption/

If that's all you got, you've got nothing.

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You can lead a horse to water . . .

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The 5 presidential candidates in my adult life that stand out for their intelligence, in no particular order, are Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney, and Al Gore. How many did you vote for?

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I would replace Gore with Kerry.

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I would eliminate Obama.

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dbklalw said:

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dajo9 said:

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The 5 presidential candidates in my adult life that stand out for their intelligence, in no particular order, are Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney, and Al Gore. How many did you vote for?

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I would replace Gore with Kerry.

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I would eliminate Obama.

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The black Constitutional scholar, huh

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kelly09 said:

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dbklalw said:

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dajo9 said:

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The 5 presidential candidates in my adult life that stand out for their intelligence, in no particular order, are Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney, and Al Gore. How many did you vote for?

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I would replace Gore with Kerry.

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I would eliminate Obama.

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The black Constitutional scholar, huh

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Have you read a treatise on the constitution authored by Obama? Have you seen SAT scores or grade transcripts? Do you know that there aren't 57 states? He is slick, but a scholar? NO.

Biden is dumb. Definitely smarter than Trump but that's an incredibly low bar for a president. Probably dumber than Dubya.

Biden has a ton of other issues but electability against Trump doesn't seem to be one of them. He seems to do well with the dumb old white guy base that Trump has to dominate in order to have a chance to win.

Basically Biden is Justin Vedder compared to Ziv Gottlieb. People complained about Vedder's flaws but he was an easy choice. No offense to either of those dudes but I couldn't think of anything better.

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The 5 presidential candidates in my adult life that stand out for their intelligence, in no particular order, are Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney, and Al Gore. How many did you vote for?

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I would replace Gore with Kerry.

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I would eliminate Obama.

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The black Constitutional scholar, huh

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Have you read a treatise on the constitution authored by Obama? Have you seen SAT scores or grade transcripts? Do you know that there aren't 57 states? He is slick, but a scholar? NO.

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This is dumb even for you. And by the way I'm not calling you dumb but you sure seem to post a lot of dumb stuff for a smart guy.

A good friend of mine took Obama's con law class at U of C. Said he was brilliant and it's obvious when you hear him speak that he has a great mind. It's ridiculous to even question his transcripts when you have a guy like Trump who probably never got an A in his life. Obama might not be as smart as Bill Clinton but he's in the conversation. The last Republican President who could even come close was Nixon. Obama runs circles around everyone else and I don't see Republicans finding anyone as smart as Obama to lead their anti-smart party anytime soon.

I would agree Romney is a smart guy too. Maybe too smart for Republicans to truly get behind.

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dbklalw said:

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dajo9 said:

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The 5 presidential candidates in my adult life that stand out for their intelligence, in no particular order, are Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney, and Al Gore. How many did you vote for?

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I would replace Gore with Kerry.

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I would eliminate Obama.

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The black Constitutional scholar, huh

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Have you read a treatise on the constitution authored by Obama? Have you seen SAT scores or grade transcripts? Do you know that there aren't 57 states? He is slick, but a scholar? NO.

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This is dumb even for you. And by the way I'm not calling you dumb but you sure seem to post a lot of dumb stuff for a smart guy.

A good friend of mine took Obama's con law class at U of C. Said he was brilliant and it's obvious when you hear him speak that he has a great mind. It's ridiculous to even question his transcripts when you have a guy like Trump who probably never got an A in his life. Obama might not be as smart as Bill Clinton but he's in the conversation. The last Republican President who could even come close was Nixon. Obama runs circles around everyone else and I don't see Republicans finding anyone as smart as Obama to lead their anti-smart party anytime soon.

I would agree Romney is a smart guy too. Maybe too smart for Republicans to truly get behind.

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I think Bill Clinton is by far the most intelligent president of my lifetime. Trump is an intellectual pygmy. And that might be giving him too much credit..BTW Bush got pretty much the same grades at Yale, where he was a classmate with the same major as Kerry and Gore. Higher SATs than Kerry, lower than Gore's.
MBA from Harvard, as did Kerry. Gore dropped out of grad school.

Yes I agree that Kerry and Gore weren't any smarter than Bush. Bush wasn't as dumb as he seemed but I still feel that in a country of 300 million plus people we should be able to find an intelligent president. Yet the only intelligent presidents in the last 40 years were Obama and Clinton.