The residential housing problem

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wifeisafurd said:




And in the long run, most Presidents are a blip. A few in recent times, FDR, maybe RR, change our world. My sense is that the next President after Trump, regardless of party, will handle the Presidency different, and change many policies.
One major accomplishment of Trump has been to destroy the scientific database.for the US government.
by not publishing and likely not even storing previously collected data, like climate change data. it will be impossible for scientists to make statistical analysis of climate change as the database has been corrupted and any analysis of corrupted data is meaningless.
While it took decades for RR's voodoo economics to be evaluated for effect, the extensive absence of collected data means that definitive analysis of Trump's Reign of terror will be impossible. Whether this is a sign of his evil genius as he made a lifetime of burying, destroying audit trails or just sheer incompetence; it doesn't really matter.
Trump supporters will be able to claim, rightfully, that there is no proof; it will not exist. The punches in the gut many of us may suffer prove nothing.
The only evidence will be in many US agencies/departments the absence of documentation of the Trump Reign.
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Newsom said he'll sign this bill due to the housing crisis.

AB 1482: California Senate advances statewide cap on rent hikes

Quote:

The bill would limit rent hikes on units that are at least 15 years old to 5% plus inflation, up to a maximum of 10% a year
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going4roses said:

concordtom said:

And to continue the journey, I'd suggest Eagleman's pbs show on The Brain (available on pbs app with Compass subscription). One of the 3 segments addresses the power of the subconscious brain, which handles so many decisions for us.

This is where your point and mine intersect.

Yours is biases learned during youth.
Mine is current propaganda.
Both bounce around in the subconscious and direct us what to do, how to behave, who to vote for.

The subconscious handles most of our decision making, though we are unaware, thinking we made a safe conscious choice.
Yeah, no.
It's actually very fascinating into who we are as biological creatures. How we manage so much.


Now you are getting really deep


I consider that a compliment.
Try and follow.
I think you'll be glad you did.
concordtom
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going4roses said:

concordtom said:

And to continue the journey, I'd suggest Eagleman's pbs show on The Brain (available on pbs app with Compass subscription). One of the 3 segments addresses the power of the subconscious brain, which handles so many decisions for us.

This is where your point and mine intersect.

Yours is biases learned during youth.
Mine is current propaganda.
Both bounce around in the subconscious and direct us what to do, how to behave, who to vote for.

The subconscious handles most of our decision making, though we are unaware, thinking we made a safe conscious choice.
Yeah, no.
It's actually very fascinating into who we are as biological creatures. How we manage so much.


Now you are getting really deep


Here's his Tedtalk but I didn't find it as good as what I referenced above.

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concordtom
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"California approves statewide rent control to deal with housing crunch."

Yikes.
Wife?
going4roses
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Last semester I took a research methods course with Professor Carol Silverman (really cool lady) and we learned about this case study. Interesting this flick delves into milgram and his personal life.
going4roses
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Side note interesting sideburns & choice of shirt

He is really touching on the metaphysical.

I am someone that has had to deal with two severe brain injuries once at 14, a motorcycle incident (head on collision with a police cruiser) and 37 ejected through a front windshield 25 feet across a street on my face/head and neck. Took me 5-7 yrs to be able to read and write again.
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Oaktown headlines Daily Mail

Oakland officials tears down homeless camp under BART train

https://mol.im/a/7456687
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going4roses
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bearister said:

Oaktown headlines Daily Mail

Oakland officials tears down homeless camp under BART train

https://mol.im/a/7456687


I understand the fire hazard part. But until everyone gets it that housing is human necessity. This will remain 3 card moly or ....
wifeisafurd
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concordtom said:

"California approves statewide rent control to deal with housing crunch."

Yikes.
Wife?
What passed and will be signed by the Gov is a rent cap on certain units equal to 5% a year plus inflation over the next decade. That is a 63% compounded rate plus a cpi compounded factor over 10 years. The rent ceiling probably will not apply except in rare cases. In fact, the bill was not opposed by the major apartment owner's lobbying arm, the CA Apartment Owners. This is not rent control, this is a high rent cap to be used in unusual gauging situations. This may help for low income housing units facing rent decontrols when it take effect. That would mean cities like Los Angeles would not have to use funds for keeping those in decontrolled housing from losing units and could spend money on new projects. There may be an argument that the law doesn't apply to these units because the government has contracted away the right to control rents after a certain period - I just don't know.

The rent cap only applies to units more than 15 years old; thus it theoretically doesn't change the economics for new buildings, which in the current environment already is bleak given housing cost structure and risk. If you want cheaper housing, you need to expedite the permit process, cut down on building requirements that add cost, and allow greater density. The concept that you can pass on these costs to the consumer doesn't work for middle and low income apartment housing; thus, the economics are bad, investment is difficult and finally adjacent landowners or renters are hostile to these projects. The bill does nothing to improve, make worse or address any of this. It may add some risk if the bill is found to apply to apartments facing decontrol.

The one thing that makes other real estate groups wary (the real estate brokers opposed the bill) is that tenants can only be removed for cause. This prevents conversions, which may be good from a public policy standpoint and likely doesn't apply to low and middle class apartments. Investors in middle and low income housing are looking at more short term fee income, then long term to think about conversions that may occur decades later. From an investor standpoint (rememberer most developers of apartment housing for middle or low income housing have no skin in the game so investors matter), is it provides some level of uncertainty, since a tenant can buy time by stating their was no cause even when there is (landlords generally have no incentive to get rid of tenets who pay their rent and don't engage in bad conduct unless they are converting the building). This risk may make it slightly more expensive to attract capital. Maybe.

Overall, I don't think legislation will impact housing starts much or help many tenants in urban areas who already pay exceedingly high rents.
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going4roses said:

Side note interesting sideburns & choice of shirt

He is really touching on the metaphysical.

I am someone that has had to deal with two severe brain injuries once at 14, a motorcycle incident (head on collision with a police cruiser) and 37 ejected through a front windshield 25 feet across a street on my face/head and neck. Took me 5-7 yrs to be able to read and write again.


Holy shnikees!!
I'm so sorry.
That sounds awful, tragic, and horrible all rolled into 1.

And I was just complaining about kidney stones.
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Creating more housing instability for those barely hanging on
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
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going4roses said:



Creating more housing instability for those barely hanging on
Not good.
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I hate savage greedy people. All those that aid and abetted this type of behavior suck balls
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Random Baseless Speculation:

I wonder if the current housing crisis is fueled in part by a lack of large scale natural disasters over the last 30 years. Natural disasters, are obviously bad, but they do offer the opportunity to rebuild and re-envision cities and urban spaces without the local stakeholders throwing a hissy-fit about it (if a whole neighborhood is destroyed, does anyone object to building a 6 story building rather than a 3?). Thus a city has more freedom and flexibility to address the current needs of the city. LA had the Northridge quake in 94 and SF had the Loma Prieta quake in 89, and although there was damage it was not at a neighborhood-wide level which allows a city to address previous issues on a large scale. Anyway, just a thought.
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Would you be willing to carry Narcan and resurrect OD victims sprawled on the sidewalks of SF or would you prefer not to for fear of getting stabbed or sued? Poll question on KGO News this evening (minus the un PC stabbed or sued part).
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going4roses said:



Creating more housing instability for those barely hanging on
The reality is more nuanced than your one line summary. The tenants who are being evicted were middle or lower-middle income people getting a well below market deal. No one's entitled to that forever. And the new tenants who are replacing them are genuinely poor people. Unfortunately, that is where the public subsidies are - renovating or building housing for poor people, not lower-middle income people. Personally, I think housing subsidies should be spread out among the really poor and the lower-middle but they're not, for the most part. Only the really poor get them. I'm sure the landlord would have liked to keep those lower-middle people - they make better tenants, generally. But then there are no subsidies, there is no renovation project, and the poor people are on the streets. Go talk to your Congressman if you want the housing subsidy laws changed.
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going4roses said:



I hate savage greedy people. All those that aid and abetted this type of behavior suck balls
The reality here is also... ah, you've made up your mind.
going4roses
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So, the reality of many of these people will displaced or flat out homeless is that true or not or you are just ok with that?

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going4roses said:

So, the reality of many of these people will displaced or flat out homeless is that true or not or you are just ok with that?


It's not as if the apartment complex is being converted to luxury condos. It is being converted to subsidized housing for poor people. If you're against housing for poor people in favor of housing for working class tenants (who are much more likely to find alternative housing, especially since their relocation costs are being paid), that is a perfectly reasonable position to stake out. But let's be clear that is the position you are staking out.

2-minute local news segments designed to generate ratings have a hard time explaining complex problems.
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Two major developments.

New bill eliminates CEQA for affordable housing. This is big as is saves affordable housing developers 18 months on average (Newsom's words), avoids Greenmail, and possibly allows development not just in lower income areas. West LA not happy. I can provide links to articles when I have more time.

Also, Newsom admitted even small units cost upward $700K per unit due to all regulations. Wants bill eliminating lot of regulation to cut costs. Again will provide links.

Query, why should the state not do this on all housing given how few players there are in the affordable market area?
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wifeisafurd said:

Query, why should mot t the state do this on all housing given how few players are n the affordable market area?
what were you trying to ask here?
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hmm
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golden sloth said:

wifeisafurd said:

Query, why should mot t the state do this on all housing given how few players are n the affordable market area?
what were you trying to ask here?
Query, why should the state not do this on all housing given how few players there are in the affordable market area?

Increasing the entire housing supply in a hurry is necessary to handle this crises.

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wifeisafurd said:

golden sloth said:

wifeisafurd said:

Query, why should mot t the state do this on all housing given how few players are n the affordable market area?
what were you trying to ask here?
Query, why should the state not do this on all housing given how few players there are in the affordable market area?

Increasing the entire housing supply in a hurry is necessary to handle this crises.


Perhaps they are afraid that developers would then just invest in high end development that most people can't afford, and typically include high HOA fees which act as a second barrier to housing. I think your argument is essentially that if the supply increases at the top, then the prices will fall across the board. I can think of two issues with this:

1. It takes too much time before the prices drop in response, and the crisis is urgent.

2. Richard Florida did a study on the housing crisis a few years back (I only got halfway through his book), but I remember one section where he discussed high-end condos being built in NYC but remaining 40% unoccupied as speculative buyers (both local and international) bought them with the intent to sell it 20 years down the line when they retire. The issue was that the developers built more housing stock, but the people that purchased them weren't the ones in need and weren't actually occupying them, thus the development of high end residential only had a minimal impact on the affordable housing crisis.
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golden sloth said:

wifeisafurd said:

golden sloth said:

wifeisafurd said:

Query, why should mot t the state do this on all housing given how few players are n the affordable market area?
what were you trying to ask here?
Query, why should the state not do this on all housing given how few players there are in the affordable market area?

Increasing the entire housing supply in a hurry is necessary to handle this crises.


Perhaps they are afraid that developers would then just invest in high end development that most people can't afford, and typically include high HOA fees which act as a second barrier to housing. I think your argument is essentially that if the supply increases at the top, then the prices will fall across the board. I can think of two issues with this:

1. It takes too much time before the prices drop in response, and the crisis is urgent.

2. Richard Florida did a study on the housing crisis a few years back (I only got halfway through his book), but I remember one section where he discussed high-end condos being built in NYC but remaining 40% unoccupied as speculative buyers (both local and international) bought them with the intent to sell it 20 years down the line when they retire. The issue was that the developers built more housing stock, but the people that purchased them weren't the ones in need and weren't actually occupying them, thus the development of high end residential only had a minimal impact on the affordable housing crisis.
Take it back. Actually there is a bill heading to Newsom for signature eliminating CEQA challenges to housing projects in urban areas, and barring cities from putting a moratorium on housing projects (looking at you Huntington Beach). I'm impressed, these guys in Sacramento are willing to take on some of their core constituents.
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https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/10/09/landlords-might-have-to-disclose-finances-to-raise-rent/
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https://sfist.com/2019/10/15/landlords-line-up-to-evict-tenants-ahead-of-new-state-law/
wifeisafurd
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going4roses said:

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/10/09/landlords-might-have-to-disclose-finances-to-raise-rent/
Thanks for posting, Don't expect an increase run rental housing in SF soon.
wifeisafurd
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wifeisafurd said:

going4roses said:

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/10/09/landlords-might-have-to-disclose-finances-to-raise-rent/
Thanks for posting, Don't expect an increase run rental housing in SF soon.
Maybe someone who is a residential landlord can explain this: why are you so below market value that yo have to evict someone because of a new law which caps rents well above inflation?
wifeisafurd
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BTW, Newsom vetoed a bill to put State money into low income housing units. His rational was that the average cost for a studio being mourned $700K made no sense for investment of state funds. His rationale was it was better to pass legislation to bring the cost down (like CEQA exemptions, relaxing building codes, eliminating developer fees, etc.). Housing advocates were not happy because they need the money now, but didn't;t opposes Newsom's logic out of hand. I'm impressed that a policy maker at this level understands the issues, and is not afraid to make tough decisions.
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On a side note ...
https://abc7news.com/amp/society/mill-valley-reverses-fire-prevention-plan-after-backlash/5519714/?__twitter_impression=true
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Hard decisions to be made either way...
 
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