I see two threads here near the top for a few days now. One highlighting a disproven Russian conspiracy theory called quid pro joe and one referencing a Representative Swalwell farting.

I get that we want to counter misinformation and downright ugliness but let's make a few comments and then let these poorly done threads fade quickly into oblivion. Just a suggestion.

Why do you hate half of America?

Lighten up and grow a pair. Jesus.

Just a suggestion, though.

Bobodeluxe said:

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Why do you hate half of America?

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Because of their fear and ignorance, and with an assist from the Electoral College and the Russians, they have imposed on the rest of the country, and the world, the most wholly unqualified and unfit person to ever hold the office of POTUS.

bearister said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Why do you hate half of America?

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Because of their fear and ignorance, and with an assist from the Electoral College and the Russians, they have imposed on the rest of the country, and the world, the most wholly unqualified and unfit person to ever hold the office of POTUS.

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Not sure anybody here personifies precisely what they detest in the "other" in virtually every one of their posts better than you.

So my anti tRumpism is based on fear and ignorance?

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So my anti tRumpism is based on fear and ignorance?

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definitely ignorance (blind hatred of the "other") and hatred. I'd guess fear too, given the obvious insecurity from having to proclaim your superiority to the "other" to a group of people who largely agree with you.

Bobodeluxe said:

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Why do you hate half of America?

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What do you get when a bunch of stupid racist poor white people vote against their economic interest because a billionare tells them he's going to get their jobs back?

I'll tell you what you get.

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bearister said:

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So my anti tRumpism is based on fear and ignorance?

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definitely ignorance (blind hatred of the "other") and hatred. I'd guess fear too, given the obvious insecurity from having to proclaim your superiority to the "other" to a group of people who largely agree with you.

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Anyone who cannot discern the difference in caliber of character and integrity between people like Fiona Hill/David Holmes on the one hand and Devin Nunes/Jim Jordan/Rudy Giuliani/Donald Trump on the other, is a lost cause and any debate with such a person is pointless.

Exactly!!

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Anyone who cannot discern the difference in caliber of character and integrity between people like Fiona Hill/David Holmes on the one hand and Devin Nunes/Jim Jordan/Rudy Giuliani/Donald Trump on the other, is a lost cause and any debate with such a person is pointless.

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+1000

Agree with bearup. +1000

Let's watch the video first before we all fade into oblivion.

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Why do you hate half of America?

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What do you get when a bunch of stupid racist poor white people vote against their economic interest because a billionare tells them he's going to get their jobs back?

I'll tell you what you get.

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You get the Joker? ok......... What happens when the black and brown equivalent of your "stupid racist poor white people" group vote Democrat? Batman?

Bobodeluxe said:

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Why do you hate half of America?

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Trump = Hitler
Trump supporters, apologists, or others who just stick their head in the sand = Nazis, or otherwise decent Germans who allowed the crimes to happen.
All that insanity needed to be stopped long before it got started!

Good Americans recognize this, are standing up, speaking out, marching, and will not be fooled or quieted down into submission. This is what peaceful democracy is all about.

Bobo, are you adding your name to the list of Trump supporters here? Or can you, like us, recognize what's actually going on with Trump and his dishonest manipulation machine of psychological destruction?

(And by the way, it's far less than half. And getting smaller all the time.)

I am bringing it at Thanksgiving, dammit. Anyone at the table who says shtt about the Trump/GOP opposition is going to get it from me. Don't you ever dare to stand by the side of darkness and evil.

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Anyone who cannot discern the difference in caliber of character and integrity between people like Fiona Hill/David Holmes on the one hand and Devin Nunes/Jim Jordan/Rudy Giuliani/Donald Trump on the other, is a lost cause and any debate with such a person is pointless.

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+1000

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Bearister's quote says all that needs to be said.
The only thing that needs to be done, i suppose, is some sort of re-education, reclamation, reprogramming effort. These brains are incapable of thinking for themselves, deduction, reasoning. And yet, we cannot allow them to continue with their flawed mindset and untrue facts.

What did Germany and Japan do post WW2 to heal the nation, to bring former supporters of their militaristically aggressive regimes into societies that are what is today right in the world?

Germany is a leader in the European Union. Japan is a leader in Asia. We need the Trump people to come back into the fold at some point.

Germans and Japanese were both defeated into humiliation. The GOP will not go quietly into the night.

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bearister said:

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So my anti tRumpism is based on fear and ignorance?

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definitely ignorance (blind hatred of the "other") and hatred. I'd guess fear too, given the obvious insecurity from having to proclaim your superiority to the "other" to a group of people who largely agree with you.

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Look, GB4L, we've been over this before. If you are pro-Trump, then you need to be countered. It's real easy.

On the other hand, if you want to say there are policies of his you support, there are things you like, but you are not truly a Trump fan - and you are only arguing red vs blue because you fear certain things about the blue - then we can work things out.

But if you say you love Trump? Forget about it. I will meet you at the barricades!

+1000

I listen to Les Miz quite apart from Grump.

This song is perfect for here and now.

This is for "you know who"

This was pretty interesting

concordtom said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Why do you hate half of America?

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Trump = Hitler
Trump supporters, apologists, or others who just stick their head in the sand = Nazis, or otherwise decent Germans who allowed the crimes to happen.
All that insanity needed to be stopped long before it got started!

Good Americans recognize this, are standing up, speaking out, marching, and will not be fooled or quieted down into submission. This is what peaceful democracy is all about.

Bobo, are you adding your name to the list of Trump supporters here? Or can you, like us, recognize what's actually going on with Trump and his dishonest manipulation machine of psychological destruction?

(And by the way, it's far less than half. And getting smaller all the time.)

I am bringing it at Thanksgiving, dammit. Anyone at the table who says shtt about the Trump/GOP opposition is going to get it from me. Don't you ever dare to stand by the side of darkness and evil.

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And yet you live in an area that voted for Trump. So by your definitions you willingly consort and live with "Nazis". You probably have "Nazi" friends, shop at "Nazi" stores, eat at "Nazi" restaurants. Maybe, you are just an internet resistance fighter. Why don't you move?

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concordtom said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Why do you hate half of America?

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Trump = Hitler
Trump supporters, apologists, or others who just stick their head in the sand = Nazis, or otherwise decent Germans who allowed the crimes to happen.
All that insanity needed to be stopped long before it got started!

Good Americans recognize this, are standing up, speaking out, marching, and will not be fooled or quieted down into submission. This is what peaceful democracy is all about.

Bobo, are you adding your name to the list of Trump supporters here? Or can you, like us, recognize what's actually going on with Trump and his dishonest manipulation machine of psychological destruction?

(And by the way, it's far less than half. And getting smaller all the time.)

I am bringing it at Thanksgiving, dammit. Anyone at the table who says shtt about the Trump/GOP opposition is going to get it from me. Don't you ever dare to stand by the side of darkness and evil.

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And yet you live in an area that voted for Trump. So by your definitions you willingly consort and live with "Nazis". You probably have "Nazi" friends, shop at "Nazi" stores, eat at "Nazi" restaurants. Maybe, you are just an internet resistance fighter. Why don't you move?

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That's right, and it's very sad.
But I am an embedded insurgent bringing the fight to Placer County so that we can turn another House seat away from the Nazis. What good does my vote do had I stayed in Concord?

The tide is turning, my friend.

bearister said:

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Anyone who cannot discern the difference in caliber of character and integrity between people like Fiona Hill/David Holmes on the one hand and Devin Nunes/Jim Jordan/Rudy Giuliani/Donald Trump on the other, is a lost cause and any debate with such a person is pointless.

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That is the point!

Look at the personalities involved. Which group is intelligent, articulate, and working for an interest other than their own?

Look at the sources of information. The rantings of an InfoWars, Breitbart, or Hannity vs the NYTimes.

And look at legitimate witness and evidence based conclusions vs unsubstantiated tenuous conspiracy theory that is convoluted and does not coherently adhere (the illogical work one has to do to believe the GOP spin).

The alignment of all three above also happens to align with basic common sense.

There is no "never-Trump" or witch hunt. There are simply people who were concerned about the character of the man AS HE REPRESENTED HIMSELF TO BE who have seen him live up to his worst and do bad and illegal things. These are REACTIONS to him, not pre-determinations of him. I had never seen a less qualified and more divisive and mean-spirited presidential candidate. I was dumfounded when he was elected, but I hoped that perhaps he would make the so-promised pivot and put highly qualified people around him and defer to them. But no, he put crooks around him and deferred to no one. He has mafiaed the White House. It is far far worse than I had ever imagined it could be and it needs to be remedied for good of country.

If you REALLY can't tell the difference or think they are the same or just two opposing opinions based on political bias, then you have lost the ability for objective analysis and something like tribal denial or Cognitive Dissonance is at work with you and you will refuse to see it.

If the numeric trolls actually engaged in dialogue and had a fifth grade comprehension level, they might get a response. Instead the numeric trolls are a waste of time. Either they're in mom's basement or sucking on rotten potatoes in Petrograd. Must be freezing ass cold there.

Highly recommended, use the ignore feature.

concordtom said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Why do you hate half of America?

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Trump = Hitler
Trump supporters, apologists, or others who just stick their head in the sand = Nazis, or otherwise decent Germans who allowed the crimes to happen.
All that insanity needed to be stopped long before it got started!

Good Americans recognize this, are standing up, speaking out, marching, and will not be fooled or quieted down into submission. This is what peaceful democracy is all about.

Bobo, are you adding your name to the list of Trump supporters here? Or can you, like us, recognize what's actually going on with Trump and his dishonest manipulation machine of psychological destruction?

(And by the way, it's far less than half. And getting smaller all the time.)

I am bringing it at Thanksgiving, dammit. Anyone at the table who says shtt about the Trump/GOP opposition is going to get it from me. Don't you ever dare to stand by the side of darkness and evil.

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This isn't fascism; it's farce. Trump isn't Hitler; he's Berlusconi.

Hitler was a young ideologue with a political vision. Trump is an old buffoon who doesn't care about politics any further than how it can enrich him.

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If the numeric trolls actually engaged in dialogue and had a fifth grade comprehension level, they might get a response. Instead the numeric trolls are a waste of time. Either they're in mom's basement or sucking on rotten potatoes in Petrograd. Must be freezing ass cold there.

Highly recommended, use the ignore feature.

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I'm now ignoring three..including non-numeric troll b**********g.
For some reason I still have hope for k*****9.

BearsWiin said:

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concordtom said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Why do you hate half of America?

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Trump = Hitler
Trump supporters, apologists, or others who just stick their head in the sand = Nazis, or otherwise decent Germans who allowed the crimes to happen.
All that insanity needed to be stopped long before it got started!

Good Americans recognize this, are standing up, speaking out, marching, and will not be fooled or quieted down into submission. This is what peaceful democracy is all about.

Bobo, are you adding your name to the list of Trump supporters here? Or can you, like us, recognize what's actually going on with Trump and his dishonest manipulation machine of psychological destruction?

(And by the way, it's far less than half. And getting smaller all the time.)

I am bringing it at Thanksgiving, dammit. Anyone at the table who says shtt about the Trump/GOP opposition is going to get it from me. Don't you ever dare to stand by the side of darkness and evil.

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This isn't fascism; it's farce. Trump isn't Hitler; he's Berlusconi.

Hitler was a young ideologue with a political vision. Trump is an old buffoon who doesn't care about politics any further than how it can enrich him.

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Trump is the same kind of Nazi as Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heroes.

General Burkhalter lived to be 97, which goes to prove moderation is severely overrated.

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This isn't fascism; it's farce. Trump isn't Hitler; he's Berlusconi.

Hitler was a young ideologue with a political vision. Trump is an old buffoon who doesn't care about politics any further than how it can enrich him.

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Perfect comparison. I had relatives in Italy during his regime. When they weren't crying, they were laughing.

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This isn't fascism; it's farce. Trump isn't Hitler; he's Berlusconi.

Hitler was a young ideologue with a political vision. Trump is an old buffoon who doesn't care about politics any further than how it can enrich him.

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Perfect comparison. I had relatives in Italy during his regime. When they weren't crying, they were laughing.

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Yup. That doesn't mean Trump isn't wholly unfit for office; he is. It also doesn't mean that people aren't supporting him for their own nefarious agendas; they are. But he's just a straight-up corrupt grifter, not a Nazi.

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This isn't fascism; it's farce. Trump isn't Hitler; he's Berlusconi.

Hitler was a young ideologue with a political vision. Trump is an old buffoon who doesn't care about politics any further than how it can enrich him.

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Perfect comparison. I had relatives in Italy during his regime. When they weren't crying, they were laughing.

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Yup. That doesn't mean Trump isn't wholly unfit for office; he is. It also doesn't mean that people aren't supporting him for their own nefarious agendas; they are. But he's just a straight-up corrupt grifter, not a Nazi.

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I forgot. That was regime(s). (Rounded off) In for 4, out for 2, back in for 5.

Accidenti!

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If the numeric trolls actually engaged in dialogue and had a fifth grade comprehension level, they might get a response. Instead the numeric trolls are a waste of time. Either they're in mom's basement or sucking on rotten potatoes in Petrograd. Must be freezing ass cold there.

Highly recommended, use the ignore feature.

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There have been conservative posters on this board who are willing to engage in such a dialogue. The guys posting caricatures and memes are clearly not.

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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

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What do you get when a bunch of stupid racist poor white people vote against their economic interest because a billionare tells them he's going to get their jobs back?

I'll tell you what you get.

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You get the Joker? ok......... What happens when the black and brown equivalent of your "stupid racist poor white people" group vote Democrat? Batman?

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You wouldn't get it

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Why do you hate half of America?

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What do you get when a bunch of stupid racist poor white people vote against their economic interest because a billionare tells them he's going to get their jobs back?

I'll tell you what you get.

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MEATLOAF!

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

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What do you get when a bunch of stupid racist poor white people vote against their economic interest because a billionare tells them he's going to get their jobs back?

I'll tell you what you get.

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You get the Joker? ok......... What happens when the black and brown equivalent of your "stupid racist poor white people" group vote Democrat? Batman?

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You wouldn't get it

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Now accepting bets on bf2's IQ,
And highest grade level completed.