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The other side is what if Biden picks an Obama, perhaps Michelle?

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Michelle has no interest in being an elected official

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That was before Trump. That said, she may not want to run for Vice President.

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Michelle Obama would be the best presidential candidate in the field by far. However, she has seen what the job entails and she doesn't want it.

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No more American royal families.

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Seems like the gloves are off between Sanders and Warren (she just accused him of being a liar). My amateur read is there is only room for one candidate on the very left against Biden, or if he shoots himself in the foot, probably Mayor B. Oak or someone who follows polls better than me can provide better insight. The field is narrowing down. Obviously, I'm known for my biases for Biden or Mayor B, but it seems like the agreement to not attack each other between Sanders and Warren is in the wind.

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FYI, Fivethirtyeight's simulation (not the same as a poll compliation and definitely not a predictions) has Biden at 26.8%, Bernie at 18.8%, Warren at 16% and Buttigieg at 7.1%

In Iowa it is Biden 20.1, Bernie 20.0, Buttigieg 17.4, Warren 15

In New Hampshire it is Biden 21.7, Bernie 20.1, Warren 15.8, Buttigieg 13.2

The polling is not as prolific in Nevada and South Carolina, but Biden as a small but distinct lead in Nevada with Bernie second.

Biden is way ahead in South Carolina. Bernie is second.

So right now Warren is up there, but she is in no better than third in any of the four states before Super Tuesday and no closer than 5% points from the lead. She needs to move the needle and quickly. She can definitely win in either Iowa or New Hampshire, but she desperately needs to or she is going to go to Super Tuesday very weak.

See why she is lobbing a molotov cocktail at her former pal?

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Thanks Oak for the polls stuff. It certainly adds a clarity that I can't provide.

so exciting.

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so exciting.

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Trump = one Pacific Ocean of Snake Oil for everyone. Almost 16K lies and counting!

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so exciting.

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Trump = one Pacific Ocean of Snake Oil for everyone. Almost 16K lies and counting!

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More like:

Trump = "Many people tell me I have the BEST snake oil!"

Consumers will have to pay middlemen a fee just to be able to access the snake oil market.

Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Biden has been saying occassinsaly weird stuff and been occasionally confused from time to time forever. Watch the Thomas herrings decades ago. Joe is who Joe is.

I see no evidence of Alzheimer's and my mother suffered from it, so I have seen it. Do you have some medical training that you can share with us why Joe has Alzheimer's or is this everyone old must have it?

Re: the issue of this thread, on reflection, I wonder if Warren was really trying to play the woman card with Bernie? If so, I don't think she picked-up many votes by doing it in such a clumsy manner.

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Trump has it and so did Reagan. What's your point?

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Trump has it and so did Reagan. What's your point?

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He wants you to vote for someone better on the Democrat side.

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

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dimitrig said:

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Trump has it and so did Reagan. What's your point?

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He wants you to vote for someone better on the Democrat side.

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Professor, are you going to vote blue no matter who?

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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

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dimitrig said:

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Trump has it and so did Reagan. What's your point?

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He wants you to vote for someone better on the Democrat side.

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Professor, are you going to vote blue no matter who?

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You'll have to search the forum to find that answer. I don't give them away to Cal88 2.0.

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Trump has it and so did Reagan. What's your point?

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we don't know Trump has it - he may just be a arsehole, You are simply saying anyone on in years has Alzheirmer, which makes you arsenole to anyone over 70 for your sterotyping. IN fact, there is no point, unless the poster actually knows something the rest of us don't about Biden, or he is just some internet turd throwing cr@p around about people. Might as well say the same thing for Warren, Sanders and anyone else pushing age, including most of Congress, Ginsberg and Breyer, the Cal Chancellor, many posters on this site or their parents, and the like. You really sound like someone who has not been exposed to a loved one with the disease.

Its really great when some can hide behind their computers and get a kick out of being jerk and targeting someone as having a severe illness and make fun of it. That's why this current president remains popular - he gets to be a bully and lie through his posts, because people like you support that. As long as it doesn't affect you personally and it fits into your moral compass keep enjoying.

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

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dajo9 said:

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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

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dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Trump has it and so did Reagan. What's your point?

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He wants you to vote for someone better on the Democrat side.

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Professor, are you going to vote blue no matter who?

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You'll have to search the forum to find that answer. I don't give them away to Cal88 2.0.

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Bernie Bros hate party unity

Can we put this BS to rest yet

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Can we put this BS to rest yet

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Biden looks like he's providing security for the column

dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Trump has it and so did Reagan. What's your point?

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Reagan actually thought he was filming Bonzo Goes to Washington his last 3 years in office.

wifeisafurd said:

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dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Trump has it and so did Reagan. What's your point?

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we don't know Trump has it - he may just be a arsehole, You are simply saying anyone on in years has Alzheirmer, which makes you arsenole to anyone over 70 for your sterotyping. IN fact, there is no point, unless the poster actually knows something the rest of us don't about Biden, or he is just some internet turd throwing cr@p around about people. Might as well say the same thing for Warren, Sanders and anyone else pushing age, including most of Congress, Ginsberg and Breyer, the Cal Chancellor, many posters on this site or their parents, and the like. You really sound like someone who has not been exposed to a loved one with the disease.

Its really great when some can hide behind their computers and get a kick out of being jerk and targeting someone as having a severe illness and make fun of it. That's why this current president remains popular - he gets to be a bully and lie through his posts, because people like you support that. As long as it doesn't affect you personally and it fits into your moral compass keep enjoying.

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Actually, my mother-in-law has dementia and it is my experiences in dealing with her that make me pretty sure Trump also has it. Add to the fact that his father had it and it makes it even more likely. My m-i-l is also a narcissist like Trump. It's a bad combination to have. I am not a psychiatrist, but I can tell you that the behaviors Trump exhibits are very similar to those of my narcissistic, demented, m-i-l. Trump's dementia is not very advanced yet, but he is showing the signs: incoherent speech, being caught in blatantly obvious lies that he believes he will get away with, gaslighting, repeating the same words, and keeping a tight circle of friends so as not to be embarrassed.

As for Biden, I am not sure if he has it or not. He does seem confused at times.

The point of my post, actually, was that in itself having Alzheimer's apparently does not - for better or worse- disqualify someone from being voted President. Maybe Biden has it, but even if he does, I'd still vote for him over Trump or Pence or most people with an "R" next to their names.

dimitrig said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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dimitrig said:

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Grigsby said:

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Trump has it and so did Reagan. What's your point?

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we don't know Trump has it - he may just be a arsehole, You are simply saying anyone on in years has Alzheirmer, which makes you arsenole to anyone over 70 for your sterotyping. IN fact, there is no point, unless the poster actually knows something the rest of us don't about Biden, or he is just some internet turd throwing cr@p around about people. Might as well say the same thing for Warren, Sanders and anyone else pushing age, including most of Congress, Ginsberg and Breyer, the Cal Chancellor, many posters on this site or their parents, and the like. You really sound like someone who has not been exposed to a loved one with the disease.

Its really great when some can hide behind their computers and get a kick out of being jerk and targeting someone as having a severe illness and make fun of it. That's why this current president remains popular - he gets to be a bully and lie through his posts, because people like you support that. As long as it doesn't affect you personally and it fits into your moral compass keep enjoying.

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Actually, my mother-in-law has dementia and it is my experiences in dealing with her that make me pretty sure Trump also has it. Add to the fact that his father had it and it makes it even more likely. My m-i-l is also a narcissist like Trump. It's a bad combination to have. I am not a psychiatrist, but I can tell you that the behaviors Trump exhibits are very similar to those of my narcissistic, demented, m-i-l. Trump's dementia is not very advanced yet, but he is showing the signs: incoherent speech, being caught in blatantly obvious lies that he believes he will get away with, gaslighting, repeating the same words, and keeping a tight circle of friends so as not to be embarrassed.

As for Biden, I am not sure if he has it or not. He does seem confused at times.

The point of my post, actually, was that in itself having Alzheimer's apparently does not - for better or worse- disqualify someone from being voted President. Maybe Biden has it, but even if he does, I'd still vote for him over Trump or Pence or most people with an "R" next to their names.

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I don't think you get it at all. Dementia is a collective term used to describe various symptoms of cognitive decline, and can be as simple as chronic forgetfulness. Saying someone Alzheirmes is saying they are going to die a horrible death in generally around 3 to 9 years. As a person's condition declines, they lose bodily functions, can't function in society, are terrified, . and ultimately suffocate as their body forgets how to breath. Compound this with the flippant comment about the group home and you come off as a bigger jerk than our President on some of his worse tweets.

If the jerk said if you vote for Mayor B you are voting for someone who will get AIDS and be sent off the homo ward to die, you hopefully would condemn the comment as made by a jerk. Same applies in this case.

wifeisafurd said:

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dimitrig said:

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dimitrig said:

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Trump has it and so did Reagan. What's your point?

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we don't know Trump has it - he may just be a arsehole, You are simply saying anyone on in years has Alzheirmer, which makes you arsenole to anyone over 70 for your sterotyping. IN fact, there is no point, unless the poster actually knows something the rest of us don't about Biden, or he is just some internet turd throwing cr@p around about people. Might as well say the same thing for Warren, Sanders and anyone else pushing age, including most of Congress, Ginsberg and Breyer, the Cal Chancellor, many posters on this site or their parents, and the like. You really sound like someone who has not been exposed to a loved one with the disease.

Its really great when some can hide behind their computers and get a kick out of being jerk and targeting someone as having a severe illness and make fun of it. That's why this current president remains popular - he gets to be a bully and lie through his posts, because people like you support that. As long as it doesn't affect you personally and it fits into your moral compass keep enjoying.

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Actually, my mother-in-law has dementia and it is my experiences in dealing with her that make me pretty sure Trump also has it. Add to the fact that his father had it and it makes it even more likely. My m-i-l is also a narcissist like Trump. It's a bad combination to have. I am not a psychiatrist, but I can tell you that the behaviors Trump exhibits are very similar to those of my narcissistic, demented, m-i-l. Trump's dementia is not very advanced yet, but he is showing the signs: incoherent speech, being caught in blatantly obvious lies that he believes he will get away with, gaslighting, repeating the same words, and keeping a tight circle of friends so as not to be embarrassed.

As for Biden, I am not sure if he has it or not. He does seem confused at times.

The point of my post, actually, was that in itself having Alzheimer's apparently does not - for better or worse- disqualify someone from being voted President. Maybe Biden has it, but even if he does, I'd still vote for him over Trump or Pence or most people with an "R" next to their names.

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I don't think you get it at all. Dementia is a collective term used to describe various symptoms of cognitive decline, and can be as simple as chronic forgetfulness. Saying someone Alzheirmes is saying they are going to die a horrible death in generally around 3 to 9 years. As a person's condition declines, they lose bodily functions, can't function in society, are terrified, . and ultimately suffocate as their body forgets how to breath. Compound this with the flippant comment about the group home and you come off as a bigger jerk than our President on some of his worse tweets.

If the jerk said if you vote for Mayor B you are voting for someone who will get AIDS and be sent off the homo ward to die, you hopefully would condemn the comment as made by a jerk. Same applies in this case.

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Ummm.... Grigsby was the one that made the comment about the group home and he was referring to Biden.

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dajo9 said:

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Might as well vote for an Alzheimer's patient if you are going to vote for Biden. He'll be in group home halfway through his term.

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Trump has it and so did Reagan. What's your point?

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He wants you to vote for someone better on the Democrat side.

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Professor, are you going to vote blue no matter who?

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You'll have to search the forum to find that answer. I don't give them away to Cal88 2.0.

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Bernie Bros hate party unity

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-sanders-vs-warren-battle-is-really-about/

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Tlaib's voice rose in emotional peaks and cracks as she spoke of her childhood in Detroit, which in her memory is perfumed with the rotten-egg smell of hydrogen sulfide. She bemoaned the building of "bougie" condos in her city. "We need somebody that's courageous, that won't sell us out," she said. "I'm exhausted about the broken promises, these polished speeches I don't care if you said the same thing." With Sanders, she said, "you see this person and he's real." It was as succinct an endorsement as a 2020 Democratic candidate could ask for; though, as we all well know by now, what's "real" is ambiguous and mutable and very much according to one's taste.

But of course, the crowd cheered; there was no higher praise.

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Hillary Clinton on Bernie Sanders in documentary: 'Nobody likes him'


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/01/21/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-documentary-nobody-likes-him/4528776002/

Putin is grooming Hillary.

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Hillary Clinton on Bernie Sanders in documentary: 'Nobody likes him'


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/01/21/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-documentary-nobody-likes-him/4528776002/

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In general I've not cared about whatever Hillary wants to say since she lost the last election, but this is just petty and dumb. Won't do anything but stoke more conflict among Democrats.

Further proving that her political instincts are not strong.

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Hillary Clinton on Bernie Sanders in documentary: 'Nobody likes him'


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/01/21/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-documentary-nobody-likes-him/4528776002/

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Won't she just go away?

Doesn't Bernie have the most successful track record for amendments to legislation, meaning he knows how to work with other Senators to get things done? Clinton just seems to be suffering from the same problem Trump has with her, The election is over, time to move on.

Hillary has pretty clearly reached the DGAF stage. She's obviously not worried about how her statements will read and there's no love lost with Bernie.

Is it good for this country or democrats? Obviously not. But that's obviously not what she's going for.

People should take this for what it is, a retiree who chooses which questions she wants to answer and doesn't care about the fallout.

People, men typically, underestimate the amount of support Hillary has. A large number of women in this country are inspired by Hillary Clinton. It's no surprise that on a male dominated forum like this, there are few people willing to speak up in support of Hillary. A few men, such as me, are inspired by Hillary as well. Very few good, honest, public servants have had to put up with as much garbage as Hillary Clinton and I greatly appreciate her for it. I just about always like to hear what Hillary Clinton has to say and usually she is completely on point. In this case, it's a bit more divisive than I would like in an election year. But, in general, keep it coming Hillary.

I do not necessarily like Hillary, but since Leon Panetta respects her, that is good enough for me. IMHO, Hillary lost in 2016 because of Russian interference, the Electoral College, and Bernie Sanders and his supporters. If he doesn't like her returning the favor, tough titty.

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I do not necessarily like Hillary, but since Leon Panetta respects her, that is good enough for me. IMHO, Hillary lost in 2016 because of Russian interference, the Electoral College, and Bernie Sanders and his supporters. If he doesn't like her returning the favor, tough titty.

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And Comey pontificating about her case in complete disregard for FBI precedent and policy as well as Comey's fear of the anti-Hillary FBI leakers - whom we still don't know anything about and which is being covered up.

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People, men typically, underestimate the amount of support Hillary has.

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In 2016 I overestimated it.

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I do not necessarily like Hillary, but since Leon Panetta respects her, that is good enough for me. IMHO, Hillary lost in 2016 because of Russian interference, the Electoral College, and Bernie Sanders and his supporters. If he doesn't like her returning the favor, tough titty.

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And Comey pontificating about her case in complete disregard for FBI precedent and policy as well as Comey's fear of the anti-Hillary FBI leakers - whom we still don't know anything about and which is being covered up.

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I never understood the love on this board for Comey. The guy that put in place all the major surveillance programs post-911, the guy who laid a public turd on both Clinton and Trump for his own benefit, the guy who engaged in a lot Hoover like behavior. My general praise for the guy was he was great a giving testimony. But, beyond that I took a lot of guff saying this guy was a bad player. So I'm going to act like the ultimate 10 year old - told you so.....

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I do not necessarily like Hillary, but since Leon Panetta respects her, that is good enough for me. IMHO, Hillary lost in 2016 because of Russian interference, the Electoral College, and Bernie Sanders and his supporters. If he doesn't like her returning the favor, tough titty.

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And Comey pontificating about her case in complete disregard for FBI precedent and policy as well as Comey's fear of the anti-Hillary FBI leakers - whom we still don't know anything about and which is being covered up.

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I never understood the love on this board for Comey. The guy that put in place all the major surveillance programs post-911, the guy who laid a public turd on both Clinton and Trump for his own benefit, the guy who engaged in a lot Hoover like behavior. My general praise for the guy was he was great a giving testimony. But, beyond that I took a lot of guff saying this guy was a bad player. So I'm going to act like the ultimate 10 year old - told you so.....

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Well, I mean, you didn't tell me so, but maybe others. The thing about Comey, lifelong Republican, is he did his job as FBI Director poorly and lost control of the organization and had bad judgment that always seemed to put himself in front of cameras. But. . . in a contest of Comey vs. Trump, Comey is by far the better and more honest public servant.

1) Voter suppression in North Carolina and Wisconsin*;
2) Russian hacking*;
3) FBI Director Comey's willful and intentional release of documents meant to suggest criminal wrongdoing by the Democratic nominee a week before the presidential election;
4) The use of Wikileaks as an agent for a hostile foreign power to meddle with our election;
5) A systemic failure by the news media to serve as editorial gatekeepers, differentiate false equivalencies, or to report on falsehoods propagated about the Democratic nominee.*
6) Men hate powerful women
6a) Women hate powerful women
7) Bernie Sanders spent the tail-end of that campaign impugning Clinton's integrity and questioning her qualifications to lead. Despite having begrudgingly supported Clinton following his primary defeat, he gloated on the talk shows with a "told-ya-so" (btw, isn't this called politics).
8) The liberal progressive voter base supporting Sanders began to regurgitate right wing talking points and lies used to impugn Clinton's integrity for decades
9) She should have been more personable (citing Hilbot)
10) Her staff let her down, not scheduling her in the states that went narrowly to Trump
10a) The Electoral College
11) The polls lied (the narrative is Trump voters lied to pollsters and more Clinton supporters would felt the urge to vote if they knew how close the election was).

These are all excuses made by Clinton why she lost. Only one is her own doing arguably (number 9).No fault has ever lied at the feet of Hillary Clinton or the Clintons, in countless years of controversies, scandals and the like, or for losing against Donald Trump, a horrible politician. Everything always is a historic injustice that, if allowed to continue, only hurts us as a nation and democracy.

Look in the mirror woman - you lost to Donald Trump, a man with no political background, a weak, small staff and who you outspent immeasurably.

Her repeated excuse making allows a shift in conversation away from crucial issues, smothers important Democratic candidates, and moves the discourse towards petty partisan squabbles and the unproductive blame game.

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I do not necessarily like Hillary, but since Leon Panetta respects her, that is good enough for me. IMHO, Hillary lost in 2016 because of Russian interference, the Electoral College, and Bernie Sanders and his supporters. If he doesn't like her returning the favor, tough titty.

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And Comey pontificating about her case in complete disregard for FBI precedent and policy as well as Comey's fear of the anti-Hillary FBI leakers - whom we still don't know anything about and which is being covered up.

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I never understood the love on this board for Comey. The guy that put in place all the major surveillance programs post-911, the guy who laid a public turd on both Clinton and Trump for his own benefit, the guy who engaged in a lot Hoover like behavior. My general praise for the guy was he was great a giving testimony. But, beyond that I took a lot of guff saying this guy was a bad player. So I'm going to act like the ultimate 10 year old - told you so.....

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Well, I mean, you didn't tell me so, but maybe others. The thing about Comey, lifelong Republican, is he did his job as FBI Director poorly and lost control of the organization and had bad judgment that always seemed to put himself in front of cameras. But. . . in a contest of Comey vs. Trump, Comey is by far the better and more honest public servant.

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Well I did post so a lot- too lazy to go back and find it. Maybe others gave me crap and you didn't. Trump is a an awfully low standard.

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1) Voter suppression in North Carolina and Wisconsin*;
2) Russian hacking*;
3) FBI Director Comey's willful and intentional release of documents meant to suggest criminal wrongdoing by the Democratic nominee a week before the presidential election;
4) The use of Wikileaks as an agent for a hostile foreign power to meddle with our election;
5) A systemic failure by the news media to serve as editorial gatekeepers, differentiate false equivalencies, or to report on falsehoods propagated about the Democratic nominee.*
6) Men hate powerful women
6a) Women hate powerful women
7) Bernie Sanders spent the tail-end of that campaign impugning Clinton's integrity and questioning her qualifications to lead. Despite having begrudgingly supported Clinton following his primary defeat, he gloated on the talk shows with a "told-ya-so" (btw, isn't this called politics).
8) The liberal progressive voter base supporting Sanders began to regurgitate right wing talking points and lies used to impugn Clinton's integrity for decades
9) She should have been more personable (citing Hilbot)
10) Her staff let her down, not scheduling her in the states that went narrowly to Trump
10a) The Electoral College
11) The polls lied (the narrative is Trump voters lied to pollsters and more Clinton supporters would felt the urge to vote if they knew how close the election was).

These are all excuses made by Clinton why she lost. Only one is her own doing arguably (number 9).No fault has ever lied at the feet of Hillary Clinton or the Clintons, in countless years of controversies, scandals and the like, or for losing against Donald Trump, a horrible politician. Everything always is a historic injustice that, if allowed to continue, only hurts us as a nation and democracy. Look in the mirror woman.

Her repeated excuse making allows a shift in conversation away from crucial issues, smothers important Democratic candidates, and moves the discourse towards petty partisan squabbles and the unproductive blame game.

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I think this is you trying to shift blame. The reason Trump won is because too many people, like you, voted for him.

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wifeisafurd said:

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1) Voter suppression in North Carolina and Wisconsin*;
2) Russian hacking*;
3) FBI Director Comey's willful and intentional release of documents meant to suggest criminal wrongdoing by the Democratic nominee a week before the presidential election;
4) The use of Wikileaks as an agent for a hostile foreign power to meddle with our election;
5) A systemic failure by the news media to serve as editorial gatekeepers, differentiate false equivalencies, or to report on falsehoods propagated about the Democratic nominee.*
6) Men hate powerful women
6a) Women hate powerful women
7) Bernie Sanders spent the tail-end of that campaign impugning Clinton's integrity and questioning her qualifications to lead. Despite having begrudgingly supported Clinton following his primary defeat, he gloated on the talk shows with a "told-ya-so" (btw, isn't this called politics).
8) The liberal progressive voter base supporting Sanders began to regurgitate right wing talking points and lies used to impugn Clinton's integrity for decades
9) She should have been more personable (citing Hilbot)
10) Her staff let her down, not scheduling her in the states that went narrowly to Trump
10a) The Electoral College
11) The polls lied (the narrative is Trump voters lied to pollsters and more Clinton supporters would felt the urge to vote if they knew how close the election was).

These are all excuses made by Clinton why she lost. Only one is her own doing arguably (number 9).No fault has ever lied at the feet of Hillary Clinton or the Clintons, in countless years of controversies, scandals and the like, or for losing against Donald Trump, a horrible politician. Everything always is a historic injustice that, if allowed to continue, only hurts us as a nation and democracy. Look in the mirror woman.

Her repeated excuse making allows a shift in conversation away from crucial issues, smothers important Democratic candidates, and moves the discourse towards petty partisan squabbles and the unproductive blame game.

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I think this is you trying to shift blame. The reason Trump won is because too many people, like you, voted for him.

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and my California vote mattered how? I'm not the one still making all the excuses.