Who will pay, indeed

Cop throws a guy into fire

Who going to Pay?

We all pay until the people stop dying at the hands of the police while unarmed and being investigated for misdemeanors, or just under suspicion, or just being asleep in their own bed in their own home, or just standing on your own porch.

Attempted murder caught on camera

dajo9 said:

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People wonder if the police are out of control, their treatment of the press like in the example above, the arrest of press members, and the use of pepper spray and rubber bullets on the press should answer the question. The hallmark of a Democracy is a free press that isn't mistreated by its police forces. In this instance we are failing for all the world to see.

Peaceful protestor caught on camera but rejected by America

dajo9 said:

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Attempted murder caught on camera

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I'm going to make a wild guess that you see the besieged cops in the car as the perpetrators. I guess you would have just put it in "Park" and hoped for the best, right?

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This article by Kareem Abdul Jabbar is the best thing I've read on the subject. Certainly better than anything I've read in this thread.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-30/dont-understand-the-protests-what-youre-seeing-is-people-pushed-to-the-edge?fbclid=IwAR03L3c8U5pJ1r6TSXytsnDbTCiM8wn0XniDO46yvahU64GV2zpr6wB3hlQ

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He's a good writer, but the credibility needle went left when he wrote "So, maybe the black community's main concern right now isn't whether protesters are standing three or six feet apart or whether a few desperate souls steal some T-shirts or even set a police station on fire." He knows damn well that every bit of that burning and looting--much of it in their own community--destroys any message. That's why he watered it down with "T-shirts" instead of saying cash registers, Hermes handbags, and 4k TVs.

Do yourself a favor and watch this: https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/30/keisha-lance-bottoms-full-address-atlanta-protests-vpx.wgcl

Assault caught on video

How on earth can you begin to believe what just just said.

Truth : your just adding to lies and misinformation bka Not Helping

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I'm going to make a wild guess that you see the besieged cops in the car as the perpetrators. I guess you would have just put it in "Park" and hoped for the best, right?

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Your threshold for the acceptance of the state killing its citizens is disturbingly low. There is nothing in that video that warrants the attempted murder response of the police. I suppose if you were around at the Boston Massacre of 1770 you would have sided with the British. Or maybe your response is not principled just partisan.

Here is a citizen posing a real threat to U.S. authorities. I would have supported the U.S. using helicopters to snuff out this real threat. What say you?

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This is it right here. The same people who storm state capitols armed to the teeth because they can't get haircuts told Colin Kaepernick that he couldn't peacefully protest. I don't condone looting or rioting and I think this is largely being instigated by a number of bad actors who need to be prosecuted but this isn't happening in a vacuum.

On the bright side, you can get a haircut in 47 counties in California so we don't have to listen to LMK5 whinging about how great Arizona is any more.

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Newsom must be absolutely beside himself watching those "protesters. " Not so much because they're trashing his cities, but because they aren't practicing social distancing.

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Actually, he didn't say squat. So much for Newsom being all about the science.

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I'm going to make a wild guess that you see the besieged cops in the car as the perpetrators. I guess you would have just put it in "Park" and hoped for the best, right?

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Not sure what I would have done but what should have happened was to slowly accelerate, not ram into pedestrians.

"I would have supported the U.S. using helicopters to snuff out this real threat. What say you?"

My preference would have been a small commercial drone dropping grenades on those bridge snipers.

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"I would have supported the U.S. using helicopters to snuff out this real threat. What say you?"

My preference would have been a small commercial drone dropping grenades on those bridge snipers.

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I always thought that the pointing of a loaded weapon at BLM officers should have been met with the appropriate force such as a Blackhawk helicopter fully armed. Can you imagine what would have happened if these so-called patriots were minorities?

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This article by Kareem Abdul Jabbar is the best thing I've read on the subject. Certainly better than anything I've read in this thread.

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article is subscriber only, darnit, better or not.

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dajo9 said:

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This article by Kareem Abdul Jabbar is the best thing I've read on the subject. Certainly better than anything I've read in this thread.

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article is subscriber only, darnit, better or not.

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Attempted murder caught on camera

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I'm going to make a wild guess that you see the besieged cops in the car as the perpetrators. I guess you would have just put it in "Park" and hoped for the best, right?

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Not sure what I would have done but what should have happened was to slowly accelerate, not ram into pedestrians.

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They weren't about to let this happen again: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-molotov-cocktail-tossers-floyd-protests-20200531-vnvnnul2l5gq5hsusn5bhv4ud4-story.html

https://midhudsonnews.com/2020/05/31/two-sisters-from-greene-county-charged-with-firebombing-nypd-vehicle-during-violent-protests/

linked la times articles are subscribers-only. might wanna quote/summarize stuff.

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linked la times articles are subscribers-only. might wanna quote/summarize stuff.

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Ask and you shall receive;
"The Lakers, Dodgers and Rams are the three most beloved teams in pro sports."
Los Angeles Times

thank you sir.

A cop who actually belongs to a community!

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linked la times articles are subscribers-only. might wanna quote/summarize stuff.

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Ask and you shall receive;
"The Lakers, Dodgers and Rams are the three most beloved teams in pro sports."
Los Angeles Times

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"careful what you wish for" proved once again, urk.

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thank you sir.

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No problem. I wish that particular wasn't behind a paywall.

nostalgia for the good old day of yore

r.i.p. gonzo edward abbey edition..

guerrilla subtitle (nicked from BeeGee) "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! "

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Attempted murder caught on camera

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I'm going to make a wild guess that you see the besieged cops in the car as the perpetrators. I guess you would have just put it in "Park" and hoped for the best, right?

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Not sure what I would have done but what should have happened was to slowly accelerate, not ram into pedestrians.

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No, they should have reversed and left, returning soon with a force large enough to safely maintain order.

Police Erupt in Violence Nationwide

I am certainly no fan of looting and property destruction. I can't be sure exactly which groups are doing it (protesters, Antifa, undercover agents, random hooligans), but I know it comes with the territory when protests reach a level of anger and a large enough scale. Not sure what the answer is for that.

However, images of police officers attacking citizens who were not really doing anything but milling around during a protest bothers me much more. These are people who we have given weapons to use while sanctioned by the state. They should be way more judicious than random people in a mob. I have seen enough in the last several years to tell me that a whole lot of police across a whole lot of this country are way too eager to overstep their bounds. That doesn't mean they're all bad or even that most of them are bad, but as an institution they haven't been able to successfully rein in this kind of behavior. So I am also sympathetic to the reasons behind these protests, if not everything that happens during them. Balanced reporting should also show you where the police overreached and escalated violence, not just count up the property damage costs and numbers of arrests.

As for what MLK would have thought about all this:

The entire premise of the domestic terrorism conducted all over the country is predicated on a completely false and illogical set of moral reasoning.

As Hanky and everyone who is not blinded by ideology can recognize is it makes zero logical or moral sense to ascribe culpability this way.

Teacher sexually violates student - teachers are evil, take to the streets for justice

Crackhead shoots undercover cop -- crackheads are evil, take to the streets for justice

Janitor rapes receptionist -- Janitors are evil, take to the streets for justice

Man rapes woman -- men are evil, take to the streets for justice

The examples are virtually infinite when following this kind of illogic. This is the level of moral reasoning of the terrorists and their enablers.

Anytime an individual does harm -- and it's clear it doesn't matter if authorities systematically punish the perpetrator -- the group to which they belong needs to be condemned and it also means the country at large -- the system and individuals who don't agree with you -- is responsible.

There is also no evidence that the officer was animated by race. (If there was, it wouldn't change that there is zero moral justification for domestic terrorism nor would it change the illogic of holding everybody accountable for one person's (racially motivated) actions that were condemned and illegal). The depraved rioters, who are not motivated by facts or reason, only narrative and optics, of course sprung into action before the investigation was complete and even an autopsy was performed. This is the descent into madness. A culture that offers prestige and affirmation to motives and behaviors that are demonstrably unfounded and often untrue. A social movement, e.g. BLM, who has demonstrated facts about violence don't matter. They've made this very clear. They have a political ideology and perspective and it won't change -- they only seek out scenarios that affirm their warm prejudice.

It's been five days and none of the usual suspects has unequivocally condemned riots. If domestic terrorism was employed by anti abortionists, pro gun, or white supremacist groups who condemn the police for killing twice as many whites as blacks, the Left and their institutions and partisan hacks would unequivocally denounce the riots (as should everyone who is principally against domestic terrorism).

The most hilarious -- and predictable -- things I've read in this thread, by two of the most sanctimonious, stated summarily that they'd prefer there to be no riots but this is kind of what happens when ya know, some dude commits manslaughter and then the system correctly charges him with murder for it....

It's easy and takes a lot of the work off everybody else's plates when the politically motivated state their own malevolence and stupidity so that we don't have to spend the time to litigate it.

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Police Erupt in Violence Nationwide

I am certainly no fan of looting and property destruction. I can't be sure exactly which groups are doing it (protesters, Antifa, undercover agents, random hooligans), but I know it comes with the territory when protests reach a level of anger and a large enough scale. Not sure what the answer is for that.

However, images of police officers attacking citizens who were not really doing anything but milling around during a protest bothers me much more. These are people who we have given weapons to use while sanctioned by the state. They should be way more judicious than random people in a mob. I have seen enough in the last several years to tell me that a whole lot of police across a whole lot of this country are way too eager to overstep their bounds. That doesn't mean they're all bad or even that most of them are bad, but as an institution they haven't been able to successfully rein in this kind of behavior. So I am also sympathetic to the reasons behind these protests, if not everything that happens during them. Balanced reporting should also show you where the police overreached and escalated violence, not just count up the property damage costs and numbers of arrests.

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"I'm certainly no fan of looting and property destruction, but let me spend 500 words telling you what's worse."

"I'm certainly no fan of violent rape, but let me spend 500 words telling you about how women are dressing these days."

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Attempted murder caught on camera

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I'm going to make a wild guess that you see the besieged cops in the car as the perpetrators. I guess you would have just put it in "Park" and hoped for the best, right?

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Not sure what I would have done but what should have happened was to slowly accelerate, not ram into pedestrians.

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No, they should have reversed and left, returning soon with a force large enough to safely maintain order.

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That "large force" would have tear gassed those violent clowns, who were seeking to ambush and destroy an occupied vehicle, and you'd be whining like a simp about "police brutality" like "well actually, in that scnerio, LE should have held their d**ks and said they're sorry." Nobody is buying your bulls**t

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People wonder if the police are out of control, their treatment of the press like in the example above, the arrest of press members, and the use of pepper spray and rubber bullets on the press should answer the question. The hallmark of a Democracy is a free press that isn't mistreated by its police forces. In this instance we are failing for all the world to see.

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The mobs are out of control for all the world to see.