So much for your respect for me, and you ability to manage your anger. But, once you disagree with someone you just go off. It's strange to me that someone who so waers their Christianity on their sleeve, lacks patience and does not seem to try and understand other's thinking. Just mock, attack, and ridicule.calbear93 said:blungld said:calbear93 said:blungld said:Couldn't help yourself? Had a few back and forths and then went in for the personal attack. I am taken aback and disappointed.That was a really condescending and insulting thing to say. And for no reason. You think that makes your position more credible?calbear93 said:
You really do not understand even the basics of Christianity or the Bible but you keep writing about it as if you have anything beyond a 5 year old understanding of it.
You have no idea what my understanding is. I was raised Catholic. Went to Catholic High School. Have read the Bible. Have studied Christian theology. I've engaged in religious discussion and debate my whole life. I would score higher on a Biblical literacy or history of the church test than 90+% of practicing Christians. But I don't need a masters degree to know what the average Christian actually says, does, or believes...or what they support or how they vote.
And if I did need an advanced degree to achieve your opaque higher understanding, then it is a crappy inaccessible ideology that somehow justifies you to feel morally superior and ready to insult those who you feel do not meet your divine measure.
I forget, did Christ say turn the other cheek or if first you do not succeed, post an ad hominem? I don't think they teach that until your 6 so I wouldn't know.
All this vitriol, after you asked me what I think. You said in all sincerity that you just wanted to hear what my thoughts were. I didn't attack or insult you, I said what I think and answered your questions. What a horrible tactic of bait and switch you played: please, tell me what you think...how dare you! That my friend is a 5 year old maneuver.
You really do lack self-awareness. You think you can insult my religion and that is OK but I say you lack knowledge on what you insult, and you whine?
What do you think the sermon on the mount was about? Did John and Andrew who were Thunder and Lightning turn the other cheek? Did Jesus turn the other cheek when money traders were at the temple? Did Jesus turn the other cheek when the Pharisees tried to trap him with words? Did Peter turn the other cheek?
In what context did Jesus say turn the other cheek? When He was referring to the principe of eye for an eye. And why did Moses even say eye for an eye? Because that was intended to moderate the vengeful nature of the people at the time. And what Jesus was saying was that not even eye for an eye is sufficient. You see, Pharisee at the time thought that they did not need salvation because they followed in a legalistic manner all of the laws handed down by Moses. But that was not enough. Instead any retribution is sinful. But so is lusting. And in what context did He talk about lusting? When He was saying that even not committing adultery is not enough. What was the point? The whole point was that there is no way for any of us to save ourselves through our own actions because we can never live up to the standard. But you don't even know Christianity 101 concepts like faith based salvation and you argue on legalistic behavior as if you think it is works based salvation. You keep saying, well Christians should behave a certain way to save themselves from hell. If you don't even understand the most basics of Christianity and don't even understand that nothing we do on our own will save us, please forgive me for not trusting your self assessment that you are some expert.
And don't insult me and my religion and then think you are being respectful and worthy of respect. You previously told me to be mindful of being respectful. I would suggest that you take your own advice. Or are your just good at handing out constructive criticism but unable to take them yourself. You are demonstrating quite a bit of lack of self-awareness.
I will advice you that if you want to maintain a modicum of respect between us, stop with your bigotry against my religion. Strange that you only rail against Christians but not Jewish or Muslim community. Bias much?
You are dodging that you insulted me vs you FELT insulted by my opinion that you ASKED FOR.
I thought that when I pointed this out you would take a step back, but you are going to seriously accuse me of religious prosecution and prejudice? I am critical of what I know and what is essentially myself as a born and raised Christian and because that demographic supports this president, keeps him in power, has been the primary core of destructive voting block of the GOP for decades, and because I AM NOT posting on religious theology or religion writ large. Why would i be critical of Muslims in a thread on Trump? Because you want some equal opportunity criticism when it is entirely unrelated? I would be just as critical of Muslims if they were ruining our country and voting for morally abject anti-Christian actions. But they are not. It's the Christians who have forcefully advanced unChristian policy.
And for all your outrage and alleged Christian sophistication, what you wrote not only misrepresented my words (like when did I say anything about Hell for example) but was itself a pretty unsophisticated bit of preaching.
Deal with it. Take some responsibility. Don't insult when you feel insulted. And don't play the Christian martyr BS.
This is why I have no respect for "progressive" bigots like you. So delusional about your own bigotry and racism while so eager to point out others.
And that was quite a bit of rewriting history by you.
When did I write anything about religion on the original post? It was a purely political post.
And then you go on a rant on Christianity because I am a Christian and then say I was preaching and you were not insulting?
And to say you are insulting Christianity because Christians voted for Trump is beyond idiotic.
This is why you are not a deep thinker.
Let's apply that with other religions. Let's assume that you were instead an anti-Semite, and not the current type of religious bigot that you are. Would you be justified in mocking Jewish people if majority of them voted for a politician you didn't like? How about if most of the Muslims had voted for Trump? That would be cause for mocking them? What kind of argument are you making?
And do you not realize that a significant majority of black population are Christians?
And I tried not to get into theology and tried to spare you and instead just wrote that you have no idea what you are writing about. You kept on posting that gibberish on "turn the other cheek" as a military argument.
Let's be finished with this. You are not a deep thinker but tend to simplify and resort to conspiracy theories.
Just recognize that if I had replaced your references to Christian in your original post (responding to something in which I had made no reference to religion) with Muslim, Jewish or black, you would clearly see that you are a bigot. And you don't stand for principle against bigotry but instead have your favorite groups and disfavored groups.
And you initiating insults against Christianity and Christians in a political post knowing that I am a Christian and wondering why I feel insulted is silly. If I insulted the black community to a black persons or insulted the Jewish faith to a Jewish person, they shouldn't feel insulted? Is that what you would think? Instead, you feel justified in losing your temper and in getting your feelings hurt because I said you have no understanding of what you profess to be an expert in?
You want me to deal with it? You are a hypocritical bigot. You deal with that.
I am really disappointed that you just tossed aside our understanding and communication so easily, and then just double down. Really not cool.
Again, as a lifelong Christian am I not allowed to be critical of Christians especially when they are so greatly shaping the political landscape?