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Pence probably fogged him with heavy Covid aerosols. I wouldn't want to be within a 100 feet of anyone that works at the White House aka Taint Central.
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I think the biggest issue is that Floridians have stopped taking reasonable protective measures recommended by the WHO. They should go back to doing things recommended by the healthcare organizations and media to slow down the spread, including wearing masks, washing hands, and protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
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calbear93 said:




I think the biggest issue is that Floridians have stopped taking reasonable protective measures recommended by the WHO. They should go back to doing things recommended by the healthcare organizations and media to slow down the spread, including wearing masks, washing hands, and protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.

Of course you are correct from a functional standpoint. But I think the biggest obstacle is that there is no one who can convey the information to do those things who will be trusted by enough people to make a difference.

We obviously have a massive trust gap with politicians and media, on both sides. What are the people that Floridians trust telling them to do? What is the media Floridians trust telling them to do?

As a nation if we want to defeat this virus and return to some form of normal in the near future, we need our leaders to speak with one voice and have that voice communicated without commentary through the media to ensure it's heard by all. Public health responses should be nonpartisan, just as public health threats are. If this virus has taught us anything in the past 3 months, it's that for our response to really work, it needs to be widespread and consistent. We need the whole country to make sacrifices and exert collective will power to forgo instant gratification until we've won.

You can say I'm not optimistic about that happening any time soon.
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calbear93 said:

protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rates-are-dropping-in-us-cities-with-protests-2020-6
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sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rates-are-dropping-in-us-cities-with-protests-2020-6


That is what I am saying. Clearly the virus will support just causes and will stand down if it believes it will lead to greater social justice. Never doubted the healthcare professionals who gave a pass on social distancing for protests.
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sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rates-are-dropping-in-us-cities-with-protests-2020-6


Interesting... maybe cuz a huge majority of protesters were wearing masks? As opposed to Florida Man and Texas Man and Arizona Man packing bars and chugging Nattie Lites with 80 of their best friends?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rates-are-dropping-in-us-cities-with-protests-2020-6


Interesting... maybe cuz a huge majority of protesters were wearing masks? As opposed to Florida Man and Texas Man and Arizona Man packing bars and chugging Nattie Lites with 80 of their best friends?
Lots of masks + outdoor setting were the reasons the protests did not cause big spikes, I suspect.
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sycasey said:

AunBear89 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rates-are-dropping-in-us-cities-with-protests-2020-6


Interesting... maybe cuz a huge majority of protesters were wearing masks? As opposed to Florida Man and Texas Man and Arizona Man packing bars and chugging Nattie Lites with 80 of their best friends?
Lots of masks + outdoor setting were the reasons the protests did not cause big spikes, I suspect.
Could be any number of reasons. This article was an exercise in cherry-picking, not epidemiology. There are so many different trends intersecting that you can't always just pop science your way into the actual answer. I don't disagree that any of the rationales presented had an impact, it's just really hard to weigh the various moving pieces.
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sycasey said:

AunBear89 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rates-are-dropping-in-us-cities-with-protests-2020-6


Interesting... maybe cuz a huge majority of protesters were wearing masks? As opposed to Florida Man and Texas Man and Arizona Man packing bars and chugging Nattie Lites with 80 of their best friends?
Lots of masks + outdoor setting were the reasons the protests did not cause big spikes, I suspect.


I see. The science is showing that hundreds of people standing shoulder to shoulder yelling but wearing masks slows down the spread if it is for a just cause but an outdoor funeral with people wearing masks was not permitted. So much we still don't know about the virus. I think we should just shut every thing down again for a year (or two if we want to be safe) except for the next protest.
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sycasey said:

AunBear89 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rates-are-dropping-in-us-cities-with-protests-2020-6


Interesting... maybe cuz a huge majority of protesters were wearing masks? As opposed to Florida Man and Texas Man and Arizona Man packing bars and chugging Nattie Lites with 80 of their best friends?
Lots of masks + outdoor setting were the reasons the protests did not cause big spikes, I suspect.


20,000 people marched in LA in close proximity. Cases among LA police have increased 20% post protest because they are tracked. None of these protestors are being tracked, so the answer is we won't know. What is apparent is the utter hypocrisy of government which is fixated on hair cuts and gyms.. Nobody knows what is going on in LA, Houston, Atlanta, Memphis or other places with major protests and lots of cases but it is likely to be something more than this cherry picked article purports.
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calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

AunBear89 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rates-are-dropping-in-us-cities-with-protests-2020-6


Interesting... maybe cuz a huge majority of protesters were wearing masks? As opposed to Florida Man and Texas Man and Arizona Man packing bars and chugging Nattie Lites with 80 of their best friends?
Lots of masks + outdoor setting were the reasons the protests did not cause big spikes, I suspect.


I see. The science is showing that hundreds of people standing shoulder to shoulder yelling but wearing masks slows down the spread if it is for a just cause but an outdoor funeral with people wearing masks was not permitted. So much we still don't know about the virus. I think we should just shut every thing down again for a year (or two if we want to be safe) except for the next protest.
No one said the protests "slowed down" the spread, just that they don't seem to have contributed.

I thought the argument from conservatives was that we should let people make their own decisions about whether or not to go outside, so long as they take reasonable precautions? Now the your big objection is to outdoor protests on account of coronavirus? Seems a bit like selective outrage on your part.
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sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

AunBear89 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rates-are-dropping-in-us-cities-with-protests-2020-6


Interesting... maybe cuz a huge majority of protesters were wearing masks? As opposed to Florida Man and Texas Man and Arizona Man packing bars and chugging Nattie Lites with 80 of their best friends?
Lots of masks + outdoor setting were the reasons the protests did not cause big spikes, I suspect.


I see. The science is showing that hundreds of people standing shoulder to shoulder yelling but wearing masks slows down the spread if it is for a just cause but an outdoor funeral with people wearing masks was not permitted. So much we still don't know about the virus. I think we should just shut every thing down again for a year (or two if we want to be safe) except for the next protest.
No one said the protests "slowed down" the spread, just that they don't seem to have contributed.

I thought the argument from conservatives was that we should let people make their own decisions about whether or not to go outside, so long as they take reasonable precautions? Now the your big objection is to outdoor protests on account of coronavirus? Seems a bit like selective outrage on your part.


You are missing the point.

The point is that I stopped being swayed by these type of finger wagging by these liberal folks when not too long ago, they spent all their credibility promoting people to go out and protest in the midst of a pandemic.

I am all for allowing people to make their choices while in favor of reasonable measures like wearing masks and social distancing whenever possible.

Not even close to being interested in doom and gloom by the liberals, media or healthcare professionals who play loose with recommendations and guidance.
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calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

AunBear89 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rates-are-dropping-in-us-cities-with-protests-2020-6


Interesting... maybe cuz a huge majority of protesters were wearing masks? As opposed to Florida Man and Texas Man and Arizona Man packing bars and chugging Nattie Lites with 80 of their best friends?
Lots of masks + outdoor setting were the reasons the protests did not cause big spikes, I suspect.


I see. The science is showing that hundreds of people standing shoulder to shoulder yelling but wearing masks slows down the spread if it is for a just cause but an outdoor funeral with people wearing masks was not permitted. So much we still don't know about the virus. I think we should just shut every thing down again for a year (or two if we want to be safe) except for the next protest.
No one said the protests "slowed down" the spread, just that they don't seem to have contributed.

I thought the argument from conservatives was that we should let people make their own decisions about whether or not to go outside, so long as they take reasonable precautions? Now the your big objection is to outdoor protests on account of coronavirus? Seems a bit like selective outrage on your part.


You are missing the point.

The point is that I stopped being swayed by these type of finger wagging by these liberal folks when not too long ago, they spent all their credibility promoting people to go out and protest in the midst of a pandemic.

I am all for allowing people to make their choices while in favor of reasonable measures like wearing masks and social distancing whenever possible.

Not even close to being interested in doom and gloom by the liberals, media or healthcare professionals who play loose with recommendations and guidance.

Okay. No need to be snarky with me, then, since I'm not really a doom-and-gloom guy about COVID.
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sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

AunBear89 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

protesting in a massive crowd if the cause is popular enough.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-rates-are-dropping-in-us-cities-with-protests-2020-6


Interesting... maybe cuz a huge majority of protesters were wearing masks? As opposed to Florida Man and Texas Man and Arizona Man packing bars and chugging Nattie Lites with 80 of their best friends?
Lots of masks + outdoor setting were the reasons the protests did not cause big spikes, I suspect.


I see. The science is showing that hundreds of people standing shoulder to shoulder yelling but wearing masks slows down the spread if it is for a just cause but an outdoor funeral with people wearing masks was not permitted. So much we still don't know about the virus. I think we should just shut every thing down again for a year (or two if we want to be safe) except for the next protest.
No one said the protests "slowed down" the spread, just that they don't seem to have contributed.

I thought the argument from conservatives was that we should let people make their own decisions about whether or not to go outside, so long as they take reasonable precautions? Now the your big objection is to outdoor protests on account of coronavirus? Seems a bit like selective outrage on your part.


You are missing the point.

The point is that I stopped being swayed by these type of finger wagging by these liberal folks when not too long ago, they spent all their credibility promoting people to go out and protest in the midst of a pandemic.

I am all for allowing people to make their choices while in favor of reasonable measures like wearing masks and social distancing whenever possible.

Not even close to being interested in doom and gloom by the liberals, media or healthcare professionals who play loose with recommendations and guidance.

Okay. No need to be snarky with me, then, since I'm not really a doom-and-gloom guy about COVID.
Umm, Sycasey, I was not originally responding to you but to a poster doing exactly that. You interjected with a counter.
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Wow, Dick Cheney is now a liberal.


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okaydo said:

Wow, Dick Cheney is now a liberal.





Richard Boone to Dick Cheney:

"I wonder what Hell is going to look like?"*



*Every death and physical and mental injury in Iraq is on him.

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bearister said:

okaydo said:

Wow, Dick Cheney is now a liberal.





Richard Boone to Dick Cheney:

"I wonder what Hell is going to look like?"*



*Every death and physical and mental injury in Iraq is on him.

DVD/Vhs And Transcript | The Dark Side | FRONTLINE | PBS


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/etc/script.html

Funny how you minimize people's "personal freedoms" when you're 79, have a s****y heart and have a pretty good idea which way you're headed after you croak. Even a Wyoming summer isn't as hot as the Eternal Bonfire.

Anybody read James Comey's book? My favorite part was an anecdote where Robert Mueller takes him to a meeting of GW Bush's team. While they're prepping for the meeting, Comey makes an attempt at humor and Mueller says it's funny and he should tell it at the meeting. Comey says no way, what if they took it wrong...

During the meeting, Mueller, not himself known for humor, says "Jim has a funny line about that. Tell it, Jim..." Comey reluctantly tells it. Much to Comey's relief, Bush cracked up. Then he looked at Cheney, who just shot him daggers.
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okaydo said:

Wow, Dick Cheney is now a liberal.





Halliburton must be in the mask business- $299.00 a piece under an essential contract.
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> Wow, Dick Cheney is now a liberal.

whenever Methodist Cheney's name scrolls across the monitor i'm shocked Dick still isn't in the sweet bosom of his lord. # jesus

wikipedia >
In Who Is America? (2018), a political satire series, Sacha Baron Cohen pranked Cheney into signing a makeshift waterboard kit.


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I'm glad I don't live in Florida or California's Florida.


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Maybe Dick Cheney could have met up with Robert Mueller in Vietnam...but those 5 deferments got in the way. Dick's explanation: "I had other priorities."

Dick Cheney, expert at sending others into the meat grinder of a needless war to be killed, physically disfigured or psychologically maimed. Dick talks the talk, but when he had a chance to walk the walk, he took a pass.
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okaydo said:





I bet these same people were upset that the BLM protests were unlawful.

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Contact tracing for the coronavirus pandemic isn't working - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-contact-tracing-isnt-working-0d8ec92c-ec1c-4b46-a736-844649b760dd.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top
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bearister said:

Contact tracing for the coronavirus pandemic isn't working - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-contact-tracing-isnt-working-0d8ec92c-ec1c-4b46-a736-844649b760dd.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top


Just ask Facebook, Apple, Google, and the like. They already have all of that information including your favorite color and what you had for dinner last Tuesday.
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bearister said:

Maybe Dick Cheney could have met up with Robert Mueller in Vietnam...but those 5 deferments got in the way. Dick's explanation: "I had other priorities."

Dick Cheney, expert at sending others into the meat grinder of a needless war to be killed, physically disfigured or psychologically maimed. Dick talks the talk, but when he had a chance to walk the walk, he took a pass.

You don't think Dick Cheney walks the walk? Tell that to his buddy who he shot in the face during a skeet shoot! BOOM!!!
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dimitrig said:

bearister said:

Contact tracing for the coronavirus pandemic isn't working - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-contact-tracing-isnt-working-0d8ec92c-ec1c-4b46-a736-844649b760dd.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top


Just ask Facebook, Apple, Google, and the like. They already have all of that information including your favorite color and what you had for dinner last Tuesday.

Use DuckDuckGo as your web search engine and stop letting Google know all your private info
https://duckduckgo.com/
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Global coronavirus death toll exceeds 500,000 - Axios


https://www.axios.com/global-coronavirus-trends-610bd3cb-71f7-497d-800e-bc0d72a0c537.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top
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U.S. coronavirus hotspots failed to build up public health tools - Axios


https://www.axios.com/us-coronavirus-hotspots-testing-b20a34b9-828b-4bb3-8a4e-0a5dfc3ecac9.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top


Cities and states aren't preparing the same for future coronavirus outbreaks - Axios


https://www.axios.com/pandemic-preparedness-coronavirus-inequality-ec45aa17-4d1d-4055-a144-15f063fb7e3a.html


Gilead's coronavirus treatment remdesivir to cost $3,120 for U.S. insured patients


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/gileads-coronavirus-treatment-remdesivir-to-cost-3120-for-us-insured-patients.html
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I just want to say, that I love to travel. One of my life goals is to see as much of the world as possible, and I like to travel abroad, and right now Americans cant travel to Canada, mexico, or europe because of our response to the pandemic.

So, because other people believe their personal freedoms are being infringed upon by wearing a mask in a public setting, my freedom of travel, movement and obtaining those life goals is being curtailed.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-06-28/sweden-s-covid-expert-says-the-world-still-doesn-t-understand

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-22/coronavirus-may-be-the-disease-x-health-agency-warned-about

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-history-of-pandemics-coronavirus-covid-19/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/history-of-school-closings-for-disease-shows-high-dropout-risk

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