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...7) Winston Churchill

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Ireland shouldn't be forgotten when reconsidering Winston Churchill


https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/others/ireland-winston-churchill
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/opinion/others/ireland-winston-churchill.amp

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okaydo said:

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Most if not all these statues were erected to commemorate people committing violence against other people.

And yet, when violence is committed against the statues, there are complaints?

What goes around comes around.

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I'll name the statue and you can provide the justification for the removal/desecration. Then you can tell us who should have a statue erected in their place:

1) George Washington
2) Theodore Roosevelt
3) Thomas Jefferson
4) The Armenian Genocide Memorial in Denver
5) Ulysses Grant
6) Abraham Lincoln
7) Winston Churchill
8) Matthias Baldwin
9) Washington DC WWII Memorial
10) Thaddeus Kosciuzko

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It doesn't matter who the statues are or what they "represent" which differs vastly among people.

There is a lawful procedure if a community objects to the existence of a statue to work to have it removed. It requires process, debate, community input, etc. A mob of morons -- or academics -- cannot unilaterally decide to deface or destruct property that they do not own. Period. Full Stop. End of story. Doing so is a crime which warrants arrest and a charge.

Strangely enough equality under the law is for all our benefit and precisely for this reason -- nobody gets to unilaterally make these decisions whether everybody agrees or nobody agrees. To leave law and order to the subjective whims of the individual is called anarchy or fascism.

It's funny that people actually try to deflect from this being terrorism. They are knowingly engaging in violent acts to intimidate in the pursuit of power and political aims.

When your mommy told you when you were a kid not to touch sh*t that aint yours she meant it. It's clear some of these BI clowns didn't get the message.

With regard to those statues of Confederate heroes, I draw inspiration from the words of Senator Lane in the Outlaw Josey Wales:

" They [Confederate prisoners] were decently treated. They were decently fed and then they were decently shot. Those men are common outlaws, nothing more."

GBear4Life said:

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LMK5 said:

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okaydo said:

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Most if not all these statues were erected to commemorate people committing violence against other people.

And yet, when violence is committed against the statues, there are complaints?

What goes around comes around.

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I'll name the statue and you can provide the justification for the removal/desecration. Then you can tell us who should have a statue erected in their place:

1) George Washington
2) Theodore Roosevelt
3) Thomas Jefferson
4) The Armenian Genocide Memorial in Denver
5) Ulysses Grant
6) Abraham Lincoln
7) Winston Churchill
8) Matthias Baldwin
9) Washington DC WWII Memorial
10) Thaddeus Kosciuzko

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It doesn't matter who the statues are or what they "represent" which differs vastly among people.

There is a lawful procedure if a community objects to the existence of a statue to work to have it removed. It requires process, debate, community input, etc. A mob of morons -- or academics -- cannot unilaterally decide to deface or destruct property that they do not own. Period. Full Stop. End of story. Doing so is a crime which warrants arrest and a charge.

Strangely enough equality under the law is for all our benefit and precisely for this reason -- nobody gets to unilaterally make these decisions whether everybody agrees or nobody agrees. To leave law and order to the subjective whims of the individual is called anarchy or fascism.

It's funny that people actually try to deflect from this being terrorism. They are knowingly engaging in violent acts to intimidate in the pursuit of power and political aims.

When your mommy told you when you were a kid not to touch sh*t that aint yours she meant it. It's clear some of these BI clowns didn't get the message.

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Lawful procedure? Get the *****out of here! The United States was founded on mob violence, terrorism, looting, immorality and rioting and protest and looting.

Several of those people in the Top 10 list above were slaveholders, who followed "lawful procedure."

These "mob of morons," as you like to call them, are acting in the spirit of the United States.

They are fighting against monuments to terrorism.

You should honor and celebrate these people.

okaydo said:

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GBear4Life said:

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LMK5 said:

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okaydo said:

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Most if not all these statues were erected to commemorate people committing violence against other people.

And yet, when violence is committed against the statues, there are complaints?

What goes around comes around.

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I'll name the statue and you can provide the justification for the removal/desecration. Then you can tell us who should have a statue erected in their place:

1) George Washington
2) Theodore Roosevelt
3) Thomas Jefferson
4) The Armenian Genocide Memorial in Denver
5) Ulysses Grant
6) Abraham Lincoln
7) Winston Churchill
8) Matthias Baldwin
9) Washington DC WWII Memorial
10) Thaddeus Kosciuzko

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It doesn't matter who the statues are or what they "represent" which differs vastly among people.

There is a lawful procedure if a community objects to the existence of a statue to work to have it removed. It requires process, debate, community input, etc. A mob of morons -- or academics -- cannot unilaterally decide to deface or destruct property that they do not own. Period. Full Stop. End of story. Doing so is a crime which warrants arrest and a charge.

Strangely enough equality under the law is for all our benefit and precisely for this reason -- nobody gets to unilaterally make these decisions whether everybody agrees or nobody agrees. To leave law and order to the subjective whims of the individual is called anarchy or fascism.

It's funny that people actually try to deflect from this being terrorism. They are knowingly engaging in violent acts to intimidate in the pursuit of power and political aims.

When your mommy told you when you were a kid not to touch sh*t that aint yours she meant it. It's clear some of these BI clowns didn't get the message.

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Lawful procedure? Get the *****out of here! The United States was founded on mob violence, terrorism, looting, immorality and rioting and protest and looting.

Several of those people in the Top 10 list above were slaveholders, who followed "lawful procedure."

These "mob of morons," as you like to call them, are acting in the spirit of the United States.

They are fighting against monuments to terrorism.

You should honor and celebrate these people.

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There's more than a trace of self-loathing in your posts. More telling, you refuse to respond to my list. C'mon, give us the hidden history of the Armenian ties to slavery.

LMK5 said:

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okaydo said:

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GBear4Life said:

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It doesn't matter who the statues are or what they "represent" which differs vastly among people.

There is a lawful procedure if a community objects to the existence of a statue to work to have it removed. It requires process, debate, community input, etc. A mob of morons -- or academics -- cannot unilaterally decide to deface or destruct property that they do not own. Period. Full Stop. End of story. Doing so is a crime which warrants arrest and a charge.

Strangely enough equality under the law is for all our benefit and precisely for this reason -- nobody gets to unilaterally make these decisions whether everybody agrees or nobody agrees. To leave law and order to the subjective whims of the individual is called anarchy or fascism.

It's funny that people actually try to deflect from this being terrorism. They are knowingly engaging in violent acts to intimidate in the pursuit of power and political aims.

When your mommy told you when you were a kid not to touch sh*t that aint yours she meant it. It's clear some of these BI clowns didn't get the message.

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Lawful procedure? Get the *****out of here! The United States was founded on mob violence, terrorism, looting, immorality and rioting and protest and looting.

Several of those people in the Top 10 list above were slaveholders, who followed "lawful procedure."

These "mob of morons," as you like to call them, are acting in the spirit of the United States.

They are fighting against monuments to terrorism.

You should honor and celebrate these people.

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There's more than a trace of self-loathing in your posts. More telling, you refuse to respond to my list. C'mon, give us the hidden history of the Armenian ties to slavery.

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You're probably fatigued from litigating leftist absurdity but you need not give a pass to Okaydo's teenage angst-type moral reasoning and logic sprinkled in with brooding narcissism.

It's like conversing with a self-involved inexperienced high school student government president who just finished reading a Howard Zinn book and feels a sense of unparalleled moral righteousness that he forgets to do some actual critical thinking outside the parameters of what means he'd like to achieve. An example of this low level reasoning:

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Lawful procedure? Get the *****out of here! The United States was founded on mob violence, terrorism, looting, immorality and rioting and protest and looting.

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If that's the rule we're following, I guess whatever's been done in history is justified -- no debate, no flushing out the full reality of this juvenile, self destructive logic with about the same moral clarity as the OJ jury. I guess slavery is back on the table too, which makes me wonder why they foam at the mouth at mere words.

This political and moral reasoning and clarity are so egregious. He has contempt for equality under the law -- violence and destruction is not just permitted but should be lauded *IF* Okaydo -- he, the great one himself -- deems the cause righteous. This is fundamentally the thinking of malevolent idiots.

The most dangerous are those who believe that if only the world operated under their unwavering moral compass -- and using whatever means necessary to achieve their aims, including violence as in this case -- the world would be just and moral. These malevolent idiots lack self-awareness and deny their own -- the human -- capacity for evil in the striving for their "just" goals.

Only a matter of time before LMK5 argues in favor of a draconian lockdown to protect his favorite statues. Or will we need to wait until we can prove that more statues have been lost this year than in a typical flu season?

On the one hand, I'm worried about the economic costs of further lockdown to protect statues, on the other hand, can our economy survive without a few more statues?

This is a monumental (get it?) juncture in our history and it is of vital importance that as a nation we focus all of our energy on this one critical topic. Or whatever the next thing Tucker Carlson decides is worthy of criticism. What do we have to lose? I mean other than a bunch of statues that most of these complainers have never heard of until they tried to use it as a distraction from their disastrous president who self immolates 3-5 days a week now.

You're advocating for the suspension of lawful protection of property and enforcement of representative enacted law because in your opinion, you don't like what it stands for. Preference is irrelevent. Statues weren't important in the name of your preferences but neither was destroying cities and looting. Hey, it's what the country gets for their systems of systematic oppression mechanisms and systems.

I think Merriam calls this type of person pond scum.

Spinning the objection to the looting of public property as a moral imperative is desperate and weak.

OK lawyers, they are now desecrating the monuments of abolitionists. If there's a BLM statement condemning it, please point me to it. If not, let's see you write a few eloquent paragraphs explaining how this is just collateral damage in the urban druggys' just war against racism.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Let this be a lesson to everyone: if cops start brutalizing statues, there will be hell to pay from Bear Insiders. That should teach them to keep to assaulting black men and protesters and stay away from the stuff you guys really care about.

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LOL at you pretending to care about black people.

You assume that the people involved are members of BLM. Do you have any evidence to support your assumptions, or this typical Righty virtue signaling and bigotry?

AunBear89 said:

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You assume that the people involved are members of BLM. Do you have any evidence to support your assumptions, or this typical Righty virtue signaling and bigotry?

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Not at all. Not members of BLM ... ardent supporters of BLM and vice versa.

LMK5 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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You assume that the people involved are members of BLM. Do you have any evidence to support your assumptions, or this typical Righty virtue signaling and bigotry?

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Not at all. Not members of BLM ... ardent supporters of BLM and vice versa.

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They won't give in. They are pot-committed. When you point out tomorrow, next week or next month, after they foam at the mouth over trivial matters relative to mob violence, terrorism, destruction and arson because such activity doesn't align or advance their point of view, that that for a month they rationalized extreme mob violence, bigotry, and terrorism, they will deflect, deny and gaslight.

The mob is not criticizing mob violence, and not calling on a swift response to stop such illegal acitivity (in many cases exalting such behavior), because concepts like equality and justice are mere slogans in the face of blaming enemies and advancing ideological narratives. Behaviors and action don't matter.

This isn't a complicated matter. The above listed behaviors are illegal and sinister independent of the ends it is being leveraged to achieve, and in a civil society with equality and rule of law, formed by a duly elected representative government, such behaviors must be stopped, arrested and charged. To broadcast one's acquiescence or rationalizing of such behavior is to broadcast that you have no moral principle -- put another way, no spine, you are merely a bot to be manipulated as you stand for, effectively, nothing, in principle. These characteristics are typically reserved for psychopaths, sociopaths, incels and beta males.

This is a much nicer form of recourse than if government wasn't involved. Try taking someone's sh*t. You're gonna get your a** beat, or shot. Mob violence and destruction is so cowardice, so petulant, so ignorant. It is a flock of wild animals lashing out at the community for being constrained by the mutually agreed community guidelines of a civil society.

GBear4Life said:

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LMK5 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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You assume that the people involved are members of BLM. Do you have any evidence to support your assumptions, or this typical Righty virtue signaling and bigotry?

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Not at all. Not members of BLM ... ardent supporters of BLM and vice versa.

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They won't give in. They are pot-committed. When you point out tomorrow, next week or next month, after they foam at the mouth over trivial matters relative to mob violence, terrorism, destruction and arson because such activity doesn't align or advance their point of view, they will deflect, deny and gaslight.

The mob is not criticizing mob violence, and not calling on a swift response to stop such illegal acitivity (in many cases exalting such behavior), because concepts like equality and justice are mere slogans in the face of blaming enemies and advancing ideological narratives. Behaviors and action don't matter.

This isn't a complicated matter. The above listed behaviors are illegal and sinister independent of the ends it is being leveraged to achieve, and in a civil society with equality and rule of law, formed by a duly elected representative government, such behaviors must be stopped, arrested and charged. To broadcast one's acquiescence or rationalizing of such behavior is to broadcast that you have no moral principle -- put another way, no spine, you are merely a bot to be manipulated as you stand for, effectively, nothing, in principle. These characteristics are typically reserved for psychopaths, sociopaths, incels and beta males.

This is a much nicer form of recourse than if government wasn't involved. Try taking someone's sh*t. You're gonna get your a** beat, or shot. Mob violence and destruction is so cowardice, so petulant, so ignorant. It is a flock of wild animals lashing out at the community for being constrained by the mutually agreed community guidelines of a civil society.

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What really gets me is that none of the usual suspects here are willing to even infer that these druggy criminals are just that--criminals--and are in fact detracting from the overall message. Does their whole ideological house of cards come tumbling down if common criminals are disavowed? What does that say about the greater message and those voicing it?

The great thing about Trump is he destroys monuments legally, as the minority of voters elected him to do, unlike those darn protesters.

LMK5 said:

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GBear4Life said:

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LMK5 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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You assume that the people involved are members of BLM. Do you have any evidence to support your assumptions, or this typical Righty virtue signaling and bigotry?

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Not at all. Not members of BLM ... ardent supporters of BLM and vice versa.

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They won't give in. They are pot-committed. When you point out tomorrow, next week or next month, after they foam at the mouth over trivial matters relative to mob violence, terrorism, destruction and arson because such activity doesn't align or advance their point of view, they will deflect, deny and gaslight.

The mob is not criticizing mob violence, and not calling on a swift response to stop such illegal acitivity (in many cases exalting such behavior), because concepts like equality and justice are mere slogans in the face of blaming enemies and advancing ideological narratives. Behaviors and action don't matter.

This isn't a complicated matter. The above listed behaviors are illegal and sinister independent of the ends it is being leveraged to achieve, and in a civil society with equality and rule of law, formed by a duly elected representative government, such behaviors must be stopped, arrested and charged. To broadcast one's acquiescence or rationalizing of such behavior is to broadcast that you have no moral principle -- put another way, no spine, you are merely a bot to be manipulated as you stand for, effectively, nothing, in principle. These characteristics are typically reserved for psychopaths, sociopaths, incels and beta males.

This is a much nicer form of recourse than if government wasn't involved. Try taking someone's sh*t. You're gonna get your a** beat, or shot. Mob violence and destruction is so cowardice, so petulant, so ignorant. It is a flock of wild animals lashing out at the community for being constrained by the mutually agreed community guidelines of a civil society.

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What really gets me is that none of the usual suspects here are willing to even infer that these druggy criminals are just that--criminals--and are in fact detracting from the overall message. Does their whole ideological house of cards come tumbling down if common criminals are disavowed? What does that say about the greater message and those voicing it?

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It would be great if these monument desecrators were upstanding citizens like Monument Desecrator President Trump, whose corruption and work with the mafia should in no way detract from his monument desecration.

Statue desecration should be done the legal way by making voting as difficult as possible and banning mail-in voting so that the voice of people can decide.

okaydo said:

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LMK5 said:

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GBear4Life said:

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LMK5 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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You assume that the people involved are members of BLM. Do you have any evidence to support your assumptions, or this typical Righty virtue signaling and bigotry?

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Not at all. Not members of BLM ... ardent supporters of BLM and vice versa.

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They won't give in. They are pot-committed. When you point out tomorrow, next week or next month, after they foam at the mouth over trivial matters relative to mob violence, terrorism, destruction and arson because such activity doesn't align or advance their point of view, they will deflect, deny and gaslight.

The mob is not criticizing mob violence, and not calling on a swift response to stop such illegal acitivity (in many cases exalting such behavior), because concepts like equality and justice are mere slogans in the face of blaming enemies and advancing ideological narratives. Behaviors and action don't matter.

This isn't a complicated matter. The above listed behaviors are illegal and sinister independent of the ends it is being leveraged to achieve, and in a civil society with equality and rule of law, formed by a duly elected representative government, such behaviors must be stopped, arrested and charged. To broadcast one's acquiescence or rationalizing of such behavior is to broadcast that you have no moral principle -- put another way, no spine, you are merely a bot to be manipulated as you stand for, effectively, nothing, in principle. These characteristics are typically reserved for psychopaths, sociopaths, incels and beta males.

This is a much nicer form of recourse than if government wasn't involved. Try taking someone's sh*t. You're gonna get your a** beat, or shot. Mob violence and destruction is so cowardice, so petulant, so ignorant. It is a flock of wild animals lashing out at the community for being constrained by the mutually agreed community guidelines of a civil society.

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What really gets me is that none of the usual suspects here are willing to even infer that these druggy criminals are just that--criminals--and are in fact detracting from the overall message. Does their whole ideological house of cards come tumbling down if common criminals are disavowed? What does that say about the greater message and those voicing it?

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It would be great if these monument desecrators were upstanding citizens like Monument Desecrator President Trump, whose corruption and work with the mafia should in no way detract from his monument desecration.

Statue desecration should be done the legal way by making voting as difficult as possible and banning mail-in voting so that the voice of people can decide.

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okaydo, I know you can do this. I promise your lib creds will not be diminished one iota. Your allied posters will not abandon you. Your old Cal professors will never find out, at least not from me. Just say it. You'll feel better for it. Here we go, 3...2...1:
I hate the criminals. They have hijacked the message. They are losers. They will hurt us more than help us. It was cathartic for a while, but the fact that they have infiltrated my own backyard--Golden Gate Park--has me nauseated. I have no respect for them.

LMK5 said:

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okaydo said:

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It would be great if these monument desecrators were upstanding citizens like Monument Desecrator President Trump, whose corruption and work with the mafia should in no way detract from his monument desecration.

Statue desecration should be done the legal way by making voting as difficult as possible and banning mail-in voting so that the voice of people can decide.

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okaydo, I know you can do this. I promise your lib creds will not be diminished one iota. Your allied posters will not abandon you. Your old Cal professors will never find out, at least not from me. Just say it. You'll feel better for it. Here we go, 3...2...1:
I hate the criminals. They have hijacked the message. They are losers. They will hurt us more than help us. It was cathartic for a while, but the fact that they have infiltrated my own backyard--Golden Gate Park--has me nauseated. I have no respect for them.

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LOL

Why are you insisting Okaydo make professions that he does not believe?

You can't deflect and whataboutist as much as he does in the face of unequivocal malevolence if you don't sincerely believe the ends justify the means. Said conduct is okay because Okaydo approves the aims and the ends. He knows it would LOOK bad if he admits this explicitly, so he deflects with "BUT WHAT ABOUT TRUMP DERRRRRRRRRPPPPPP".

Everyone: "That rape was vile and disgusting. I'm shaking. He should get the death penalty"

Okaydo: "Oh yeah, well Trump has been raping the U.S. Treasury for years!"

Wait, so there really is a racist out there running around trolling NASCAR? OH HEAVENS. Should we stop the presses?

Okaydo: mob violence in the name of social justice is amazing!

Also Okaydo: This image is a travesty. It is threatening violence. How can we get the FBI and DOJ involved in this? This is scary. Be very, very afraid

Someone remind me again why we didn't shoot all the Johnny Rebs after the war as traitors?

bearister said:

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Someone remind me again why we didn't shoot all the Johnny Rebs after the war as traitors?

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Not all of the citizens but their leaders for sure!

sycasey said:

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I do not understand the reasoning behind taking down Grant's statue. I suspect they thought it was a confederate monument.

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There is no reasoning. It's mindless destruction by people who lack the talent to create.

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bearister said:

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Someone remind me again why we didn't shoot all the Johnny Rebs after the war as traitors?

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Not all of the citizens but their leaders for sure!

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No. Shoot 'em all. Guilt by association - just like the righties and their view that all protesters are thugs and looters.

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Someone remind me again why we didn't shoot all the Johnny Rebs after the war as traitors?

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It was that damn Lincoln and his "malice towards none and charity for all". Many Presidential historians believe he was the Trump of his day. Cut from the same mold.

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Nice staged photo. Lol. And you wonder why half the country doesn't take you seriously. "What is this, a noose for ants?"

https://images.app.goo.gl/u3cWUaCRvdSUU4g46

I mean, Okaydo's dick could fit through that, but not much else.

BancroftBear93 said:

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https://images.app.goo.gl/u3cWUaCRvdSUU4g46

I mean, Okaydo's dick could fit through that, but not much else.

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You need to grow-up.

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BancroftBear93 said:

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https://images.app.goo.gl/u3cWUaCRvdSUU4g46

I mean, Okaydo's dick could fit through that, but not much else.

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You need to grow-up.

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