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Biden didn't seem senile at the Democratic debates. It was clear however, that everyone else on stage was smarter than him. That would have been the case even with Joe minus 40 years. A 10 year old could hold his own with tRump, intellectually. tRump is just a bully that regurgitates Tucker, Stephen Miller and Fox & Friends talking points. I'm not happy Joe is our guy, but you gotta dance with the guy that brought you.

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The speech was arguably inappropriate for the time and place. Divisive and, in that respect, not presidential on a national holiday. But Trump was elected, in part, precisely because he will fully engage on these cultural issues and doesn't really care about protocol.

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LMK5 said:

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We are going to have an election of the lesser of two evils. Trump is a known quantity. A bad quantity yes, but a known one. Biden will be under tremendous pressure from the radical left who hold all the momentum in this country. He will be under pressure to bring on a running mate who, in the past, would have been deemed completely out of consideration, but would now be seen as a representative for "radical" change. The AOCs, the Omars, the Talibs and their followers will have tremendous influence on Biden, and I don't think that gives the average American any comfort at all. This can and will be easily exploited by the Trump campaign. It's going to be messy.

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Biden actually performed pretty well at the debates if you think about what he's trying to accomplish. His goal is on winning voters over to become president.

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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Biden didn't seem senile at the Democratic debates. It was clear however, that everyone else on stage was smarter than him. That would have been the case even with Joe minus 40 years. A 10 year old could hold his own with tRump, intellectually. tRump is just a bully that regurgitates Tucker, Stephen Miller and Fox & Friends talking points. I'm not happy Joe is our guy, but you gotta dance with the guy that brought you.

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Joe "you know the thing" Biden will not look good in a one-on-one debate and his handlers know it (and so does everyone on this board). They are keeping him tucked away as much as possible and for as long as possible. They've made a calculation: Who will hurt their chances more, the chaos in America's lawless Dem-run cities, or having Joe Biden appear in public? They've determined that they'll take their chances with the trashing of urban America. Stay tuned.

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Wow. That is a bizarre take. Especially given the "chaos" has subsided. Whether they have hidden him away vs. keeping him and others safe from catching Covid while he issues statements and does interviews from inside is one question, but the bottom line is the reason they think they can afford it is that Trump has spent a couple months doing and saying things to hurt his chances of reelection and seen his standing in the polls plummet. Frankly, I think if Biden were a dazzling and brilliant person they still think the best course is to keep the focus on Trump. A view that is shared by absolutely everyone in the political sphere including Republican operatives, many of whom are focusing on trying to save the House and Senate. The calculation they have made is what helps Biden's chances more, Biden talking or Trump talking. The fact that they think it is Trump talking is 90% related to Trump. Since April 2, Trump's net approval rating (according to Fivethirtyeight) has gone from negative 4.3 to negative 15.4. If you were running against him you would also shut up, sit in your recliner and watch him go while eating your favorite brand of popcorn.

I've seen Biden at several debates over the past several months. He is fine. He has not appeared slow or confused. He is an average to below average debater and always has been. His main issue is he can seem out of touch to the world of Zoomers and Millennials by referring to things like record players, but that is baked in. I remember when Democrats so ramped up how bad George W. was going to be that when he failed to drool or poop his pants on stage it was a huge victory for him. Amazing that you guys are making the same mistake. You don't see the Democrats playing up Mr. "United Shezhsezeh" talking about the "Oranges of the Investigation". You have two guys that pretty equally likely to say something stupid at a debate. One who is expected to and one who isn't and keeps calling the other guy senile. The danger would be all on Trump's side except for the fact that if things stay the same he will have nothing to lose.

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Maybe to you the chaos has subsided, but not to the people in Portland, New York, Seattle, Chicago or Atlanta. My stepmother lives in NYC and she won't even leave her house. There's a feeling that the inmates are running the prison there and it ain't pretty. Look at the crime rates of the major cities vs. last year. If all is calm in your eyes, get to the optometrist ASAP.

I agree that Trump hurts himself in many ways. But it's clear that Biden's handlers are keeping him out of public view. I watch the NBC Nightly News every day and I can't remember even a Skype interview occurring, even on tape. This is unheard of in an election year. To say they're just trying to keep him safe from Covid when dozens and dozens of other politicians are doing the interview circuit is just wishful thinking. Let's see how many debates Biden agrees to, but more specifically, let's see how many he agrees to unconditionally.

We are going to have an election of the lesser of two evils. Trump is a known quantity. A bad quantity yes, but a known one. Biden will be under tremendous pressure from the radical left who hold all the momentum in this country. He will be under pressure to bring on a running mate who, in the past, would have been deemed completely out of consideration, but would now be seen as a representative for "radical" change. The AOCs, the Omars, the Talibs and their followers will have tremendous influence on Biden, and I don't think that gives the average American any comfort at all. This can and will be easily exploited by the Trump campaign. It's going to be messy.

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I'm terrified that Biden is going to lose Oregon, Washington, New York or Illinois. Meanwhile he is polling better in Georgia than any Democrat in decades. I don't need an optometrist. I can see just fine how right wing media is trying to play up the stories.

They have already agreed to three debates. Don't give me the BS about how much BIDEN will agree to unconditionally. Trump was the one who was dodging claiming the bipartisan Commission on Debates is bias against him and he might not agree to debate, until it became clear that he was the one that needed the debates. He went from 0 debates to 5 while the Biden campaign consistently maintained they would do 3 debates as has become the norm.

The Democratic party is united. The "radical left" is not pressuring him to pick a "radical left" VP unless you define "radical left" from the point of view of "radical right". You can try to tie him to AOC and Omar all you want, but the VP candidates are already pretty well known and none of them come from that wing of the party. Kamala Harris is thought to be the frontrunner. Most political pundits view her as a pretty run of the mill Democrat, though I know Trump will try to exploit how left wing she is or whoever else is picked. (I'm sure he would do it equally if Biden picked Mitt Romney, frankly). You are right it will be easily exploited...in states that Biden was never going to win.

The hilarious thing is that Republican political operatives are not painting anything close to as good a picture for you as you are. Their own polling is awful.

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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bearister said:

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Biden didn't seem senile at the Democratic debates. It was clear however, that everyone else on stage was smarter than him. That would have been the case even with Joe minus 40 years. A 10 year old could hold his own with tRump, intellectually. tRump is just a bully that regurgitates Tucker, Stephen Miller and Fox & Friends talking points. I'm not happy Joe is our guy, but you gotta dance with the guy that brought you.

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Joe "you know the thing" Biden will not look good in a one-on-one debate and his handlers know it (and so does everyone on this board). They are keeping him tucked away as much as possible and for as long as possible. They've made a calculation: Who will hurt their chances more, the chaos in America's lawless Dem-run cities, or having Joe Biden appear in public? They've determined that they'll take their chances with the trashing of urban America. Stay tuned.

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Wow. That is a bizarre take. Especially given the "chaos" has subsided. Whether they have hidden him away vs. keeping him and others safe from catching Covid while he issues statements and does interviews from inside is one question, but the bottom line is the reason they think they can afford it is that Trump has spent a couple months doing and saying things to hurt his chances of reelection and seen his standing in the polls plummet. Frankly, I think if Biden were a dazzling and brilliant person they still think the best course is to keep the focus on Trump. A view that is shared by absolutely everyone in the political sphere including Republican operatives, many of whom are focusing on trying to save the House and Senate. The calculation they have made is what helps Biden's chances more, Biden talking or Trump talking. The fact that they think it is Trump talking is 90% related to Trump. Since April 2, Trump's net approval rating (according to Fivethirtyeight) has gone from negative 4.3 to negative 15.4. If you were running against him you would also shut up, sit in your recliner and watch him go while eating your favorite brand of popcorn.

I've seen Biden at several debates over the past several months. He is fine. He has not appeared slow or confused. He is an average to below average debater and always has been. His main issue is he can seem out of touch to the world of Zoomers and Millennials by referring to things like record players, but that is baked in. I remember when Democrats so ramped up how bad George W. was going to be that when he failed to drool or poop his pants on stage it was a huge victory for him. Amazing that you guys are making the same mistake. You don't see the Democrats playing up Mr. "United Shezhsezeh" talking about the "Oranges of the Investigation". You have two guys that pretty equally likely to say something stupid at a debate. One who is expected to and one who isn't and keeps calling the other guy senile. The danger would be all on Trump's side except for the fact that if things stay the same he will have nothing to lose.

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Maybe to you the chaos has subsided, but not to the people in Portland, New York, Seattle, Chicago or Atlanta. My stepmother lives in NYC and she won't even leave her house. There's a feeling that the inmates are running the prison there and it ain't pretty. Look at the crime rates of the major cities vs. last year. If all is calm in your eyes, get to the optometrist ASAP.

I agree that Trump hurts himself in many ways. But it's clear that Biden's handlers are keeping him out of public view. I watch the NBC Nightly News every day and I can't remember even a Skype interview occurring, even on tape. This is unheard of in an election year. To say they're just trying to keep him safe from Covid when dozens and dozens of other politicians are doing the interview circuit is just wishful thinking. Let's see how many debates Biden agrees to, but more specifically, let's see how many he agrees to unconditionally.

We are going to have an election of the lesser of two evils. Trump is a known quantity. A bad quantity yes, but a known one. Biden will be under tremendous pressure from the radical left who hold all the momentum in this country. He will be under pressure to bring on a running mate who, in the past, would have been deemed completely out of consideration, but would now be seen as a representative for "radical" change. The AOCs, the Omars, the Talibs and their followers will have tremendous influence on Biden, and I don't think that gives the average American any comfort at all. This can and will be easily exploited by the Trump campaign. It's going to be messy.

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I'm terrified that Biden is going to lose Oregon, Washington, New York or Illinois. Meanwhile he is polling better in Georgia than any Democrat in decades. I don't need an optometrist. I can see just fine how right wing media is trying to play up the stories.

They have already agreed to three debates. Don't give me the BS about how much BIDEN will agree to unconditionally. Trump was the one who was dodging claiming the bipartisan Commission on Debates is bias against him and he might not agree to debate, until it became clear that he was the one that needed the debates. He went from 0 debates to 5 while the Biden campaign consistently maintained they would do 3 debates as has become the norm.

The Democratic party is united. The "radical left" is not pressuring him to pick a "radical left" VP unless you define "radical left" from the point of view of "radical right". You can try to tie him to AOC and Omar all you want, but the VP candidates are already pretty well known and none of them come from that wing of the party. Kamala Harris is thought to be the frontrunner. Most political pundits view her as a pretty run of the mill Democrat, though I know Trump will try to exploit how left wing she is or whoever else is picked. (I'm sure he would do it equally if Biden picked Mitt Romney, frankly). You are right it will be easily exploited...in states that Biden was never going to win.

The hilarious thing is that Republican political operatives are not painting anything close to as good a picture for you as you are. Their own polling is awful.

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Did I paint a good picture for Trump? I didn't think so. I think his chances are 25% right now. I've seen enough debates with Biden and he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one.

Do you really think AOC and the like won't have influence with Joe? Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one

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You mean polite and following the rules? You really think that is going to play badly next to Trump who can't help being an ass?

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Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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Oh.... my..... god! Co chair of the climate change task force!!!!! The power behind the thrown?!?!?!?! She is practically running the universe! She is like only 150 million heartbeats away from the presidency. Why, Joe? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY???????? Next you are going to tell me that Omar is assistant to the regional manager in charge of advising the undersecretary to the chief of the committee to advise on the formation of the Space Force.

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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bearister said:

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Biden didn't seem senile at the Democratic debates. It was clear however, that everyone else on stage was smarter than him. That would have been the case even with Joe minus 40 years. A 10 year old could hold his own with tRump, intellectually. tRump is just a bully that regurgitates Tucker, Stephen Miller and Fox & Friends talking points. I'm not happy Joe is our guy, but you gotta dance with the guy that brought you.

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Joe "you know the thing" Biden will not look good in a one-on-one debate and his handlers know it (and so does everyone on this board). They are keeping him tucked away as much as possible and for as long as possible. They've made a calculation: Who will hurt their chances more, the chaos in America's lawless Dem-run cities, or having Joe Biden appear in public? They've determined that they'll take their chances with the trashing of urban America. Stay tuned.

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Wow. That is a bizarre take. Especially given the "chaos" has subsided. Whether they have hidden him away vs. keeping him and others safe from catching Covid while he issues statements and does interviews from inside is one question, but the bottom line is the reason they think they can afford it is that Trump has spent a couple months doing and saying things to hurt his chances of reelection and seen his standing in the polls plummet. Frankly, I think if Biden were a dazzling and brilliant person they still think the best course is to keep the focus on Trump. A view that is shared by absolutely everyone in the political sphere including Republican operatives, many of whom are focusing on trying to save the House and Senate. The calculation they have made is what helps Biden's chances more, Biden talking or Trump talking. The fact that they think it is Trump talking is 90% related to Trump. Since April 2, Trump's net approval rating (according to Fivethirtyeight) has gone from negative 4.3 to negative 15.4. If you were running against him you would also shut up, sit in your recliner and watch him go while eating your favorite brand of popcorn.

I've seen Biden at several debates over the past several months. He is fine. He has not appeared slow or confused. He is an average to below average debater and always has been. His main issue is he can seem out of touch to the world of Zoomers and Millennials by referring to things like record players, but that is baked in. I remember when Democrats so ramped up how bad George W. was going to be that when he failed to drool or poop his pants on stage it was a huge victory for him. Amazing that you guys are making the same mistake. You don't see the Democrats playing up Mr. "United Shezhsezeh" talking about the "Oranges of the Investigation". You have two guys that pretty equally likely to say something stupid at a debate. One who is expected to and one who isn't and keeps calling the other guy senile. The danger would be all on Trump's side except for the fact that if things stay the same he will have nothing to lose.

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Maybe to you the chaos has subsided, but not to the people in Portland, New York, Seattle, Chicago or Atlanta. My stepmother lives in NYC and she won't even leave her house. There's a feeling that the inmates are running the prison there and it ain't pretty. Look at the crime rates of the major cities vs. last year. If all is calm in your eyes, get to the optometrist ASAP.

I agree that Trump hurts himself in many ways. But it's clear that Biden's handlers are keeping him out of public view. I watch the NBC Nightly News every day and I can't remember even a Skype interview occurring, even on tape. This is unheard of in an election year. To say they're just trying to keep him safe from Covid when dozens and dozens of other politicians are doing the interview circuit is just wishful thinking. Let's see how many debates Biden agrees to, but more specifically, let's see how many he agrees to unconditionally.

We are going to have an election of the lesser of two evils. Trump is a known quantity. A bad quantity yes, but a known one. Biden will be under tremendous pressure from the radical left who hold all the momentum in this country. He will be under pressure to bring on a running mate who, in the past, would have been deemed completely out of consideration, but would now be seen as a representative for "radical" change. The AOCs, the Omars, the Talibs and their followers will have tremendous influence on Biden, and I don't think that gives the average American any comfort at all. This can and will be easily exploited by the Trump campaign. It's going to be messy.

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I'm terrified that Biden is going to lose Oregon, Washington, New York or Illinois. Meanwhile he is polling better in Georgia than any Democrat in decades. I don't need an optometrist. I can see just fine how right wing media is trying to play up the stories.

They have already agreed to three debates. Don't give me the BS about how much BIDEN will agree to unconditionally. Trump was the one who was dodging claiming the bipartisan Commission on Debates is bias against him and he might not agree to debate, until it became clear that he was the one that needed the debates. He went from 0 debates to 5 while the Biden campaign consistently maintained they would do 3 debates as has become the norm.

The Democratic party is united. The "radical left" is not pressuring him to pick a "radical left" VP unless you define "radical left" from the point of view of "radical right". You can try to tie him to AOC and Omar all you want, but the VP candidates are already pretty well known and none of them come from that wing of the party. Kamala Harris is thought to be the frontrunner. Most political pundits view her as a pretty run of the mill Democrat, though I know Trump will try to exploit how left wing she is or whoever else is picked. (I'm sure he would do it equally if Biden picked Mitt Romney, frankly). You are right it will be easily exploited...in states that Biden was never going to win.

The hilarious thing is that Republican political operatives are not painting anything close to as good a picture for you as you are. Their own polling is awful.

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Did I paint a good picture for Trump? I didn't think so. I think his chances are 25% right now. I've seen enough debates with Biden and he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one.

Do you really think AOC and the like won't have influence with Joe? Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one

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You mean polite and following the rules? You really think that is going to play badly next to Trump who can't help being an ass?

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Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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Oh.... my..... god! Co chair of the climate change task force!!!!! The power behind the thrown?!?!?!?! She is practically running the universe! She is like only 150 million heartbeats away from the presidency. Why, Joe? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY???????? Next you are going to tell me that Omar is assistant to the regional manager in charge of advising the undersecretary to the chief of the committee to advise on the formation of the Space Force.

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Polite and following the rules? Is that what he was doing? OK I guess you could spin it that way, but I think you're pulling my leg. I think he wants to talk as little as he can and I have a feeling you know what OTB.

Sure, you could say that AOC was appointed a figurehead position, but keep in mind, he could've appointed any of hundreds of worthwhile candidates. He could have appointed someone who was knowledgeable on ... well ... the environment! Like it or not she's the face of the Democratic party and that's why she was given the position. It's distasteful, I know, but still undeniable.

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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bearister said:

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Biden didn't seem senile at the Democratic debates. It was clear however, that everyone else on stage was smarter than him. That would have been the case even with Joe minus 40 years. A 10 year old could hold his own with tRump, intellectually. tRump is just a bully that regurgitates Tucker, Stephen Miller and Fox & Friends talking points. I'm not happy Joe is our guy, but you gotta dance with the guy that brought you.

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Joe "you know the thing" Biden will not look good in a one-on-one debate and his handlers know it (and so does everyone on this board). They are keeping him tucked away as much as possible and for as long as possible. They've made a calculation: Who will hurt their chances more, the chaos in America's lawless Dem-run cities, or having Joe Biden appear in public? They've determined that they'll take their chances with the trashing of urban America. Stay tuned.

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Wow. That is a bizarre take. Especially given the "chaos" has subsided. Whether they have hidden him away vs. keeping him and others safe from catching Covid while he issues statements and does interviews from inside is one question, but the bottom line is the reason they think they can afford it is that Trump has spent a couple months doing and saying things to hurt his chances of reelection and seen his standing in the polls plummet. Frankly, I think if Biden were a dazzling and brilliant person they still think the best course is to keep the focus on Trump. A view that is shared by absolutely everyone in the political sphere including Republican operatives, many of whom are focusing on trying to save the House and Senate. The calculation they have made is what helps Biden's chances more, Biden talking or Trump talking. The fact that they think it is Trump talking is 90% related to Trump. Since April 2, Trump's net approval rating (according to Fivethirtyeight) has gone from negative 4.3 to negative 15.4. If you were running against him you would also shut up, sit in your recliner and watch him go while eating your favorite brand of popcorn.

I've seen Biden at several debates over the past several months. He is fine. He has not appeared slow or confused. He is an average to below average debater and always has been. His main issue is he can seem out of touch to the world of Zoomers and Millennials by referring to things like record players, but that is baked in. I remember when Democrats so ramped up how bad George W. was going to be that when he failed to drool or poop his pants on stage it was a huge victory for him. Amazing that you guys are making the same mistake. You don't see the Democrats playing up Mr. "United Shezhsezeh" talking about the "Oranges of the Investigation". You have two guys that pretty equally likely to say something stupid at a debate. One who is expected to and one who isn't and keeps calling the other guy senile. The danger would be all on Trump's side except for the fact that if things stay the same he will have nothing to lose.

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Maybe to you the chaos has subsided, but not to the people in Portland, New York, Seattle, Chicago or Atlanta. My stepmother lives in NYC and she won't even leave her house. There's a feeling that the inmates are running the prison there and it ain't pretty. Look at the crime rates of the major cities vs. last year. If all is calm in your eyes, get to the optometrist ASAP.

I agree that Trump hurts himself in many ways. But it's clear that Biden's handlers are keeping him out of public view. I watch the NBC Nightly News every day and I can't remember even a Skype interview occurring, even on tape. This is unheard of in an election year. To say they're just trying to keep him safe from Covid when dozens and dozens of other politicians are doing the interview circuit is just wishful thinking. Let's see how many debates Biden agrees to, but more specifically, let's see how many he agrees to unconditionally.

We are going to have an election of the lesser of two evils. Trump is a known quantity. A bad quantity yes, but a known one. Biden will be under tremendous pressure from the radical left who hold all the momentum in this country. He will be under pressure to bring on a running mate who, in the past, would have been deemed completely out of consideration, but would now be seen as a representative for "radical" change. The AOCs, the Omars, the Talibs and their followers will have tremendous influence on Biden, and I don't think that gives the average American any comfort at all. This can and will be easily exploited by the Trump campaign. It's going to be messy.

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I'm terrified that Biden is going to lose Oregon, Washington, New York or Illinois. Meanwhile he is polling better in Georgia than any Democrat in decades. I don't need an optometrist. I can see just fine how right wing media is trying to play up the stories.

They have already agreed to three debates. Don't give me the BS about how much BIDEN will agree to unconditionally. Trump was the one who was dodging claiming the bipartisan Commission on Debates is bias against him and he might not agree to debate, until it became clear that he was the one that needed the debates. He went from 0 debates to 5 while the Biden campaign consistently maintained they would do 3 debates as has become the norm.

The Democratic party is united. The "radical left" is not pressuring him to pick a "radical left" VP unless you define "radical left" from the point of view of "radical right". You can try to tie him to AOC and Omar all you want, but the VP candidates are already pretty well known and none of them come from that wing of the party. Kamala Harris is thought to be the frontrunner. Most political pundits view her as a pretty run of the mill Democrat, though I know Trump will try to exploit how left wing she is or whoever else is picked. (I'm sure he would do it equally if Biden picked Mitt Romney, frankly). You are right it will be easily exploited...in states that Biden was never going to win.

The hilarious thing is that Republican political operatives are not painting anything close to as good a picture for you as you are. Their own polling is awful.

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Did I paint a good picture for Trump? I didn't think so. I think his chances are 25% right now. I've seen enough debates with Biden and he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one.

Do you really think AOC and the like won't have influence with Joe? Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one

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You mean polite and following the rules? You really think that is going to play badly next to Trump who can't help being an ass?

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Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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Oh.... my..... god! Co chair of the climate change task force!!!!! The power behind the thrown?!?!?!?! She is practically running the universe! She is like only 150 million heartbeats away from the presidency. Why, Joe? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY???????? Next you are going to tell me that Omar is assistant to the regional manager in charge of advising the undersecretary to the chief of the committee to advise on the formation of the Space Force.

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Polite and following the rules? Is that what he was doing? OK I guess you could spin it that way, but I think you're pulling my leg. I think he wants to talk as little as he can and I have a feeling you know what OTB.

Sure, you could say that AOC was appointed a figurehead position, but keep in mind, he could've appointed any of hundreds of worthwhile candidates. He could have appointed someone who was knowledgeable on ... well ... the environment! Like it or not she's the face of the Democratic party and that's why she was given the position. It's distasteful, I know, but still undeniable.

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The "face of the party" is usually the President, the Presidential Nominee, or maybe someone in a leadership position like Speaker of the House.

AOC has plenty of fans, but she's got a ways to go before being the "face of the party."

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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Biden didn't seem senile at the Democratic debates. It was clear however, that everyone else on stage was smarter than him. That would have been the case even with Joe minus 40 years. A 10 year old could hold his own with tRump, intellectually. tRump is just a bully that regurgitates Tucker, Stephen Miller and Fox & Friends talking points. I'm not happy Joe is our guy, but you gotta dance with the guy that brought you.

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Joe "you know the thing" Biden will not look good in a one-on-one debate and his handlers know it (and so does everyone on this board). They are keeping him tucked away as much as possible and for as long as possible. They've made a calculation: Who will hurt their chances more, the chaos in America's lawless Dem-run cities, or having Joe Biden appear in public? They've determined that they'll take their chances with the trashing of urban America. Stay tuned.

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Wow. That is a bizarre take. Especially given the "chaos" has subsided. Whether they have hidden him away vs. keeping him and others safe from catching Covid while he issues statements and does interviews from inside is one question, but the bottom line is the reason they think they can afford it is that Trump has spent a couple months doing and saying things to hurt his chances of reelection and seen his standing in the polls plummet. Frankly, I think if Biden were a dazzling and brilliant person they still think the best course is to keep the focus on Trump. A view that is shared by absolutely everyone in the political sphere including Republican operatives, many of whom are focusing on trying to save the House and Senate. The calculation they have made is what helps Biden's chances more, Biden talking or Trump talking. The fact that they think it is Trump talking is 90% related to Trump. Since April 2, Trump's net approval rating (according to Fivethirtyeight) has gone from negative 4.3 to negative 15.4. If you were running against him you would also shut up, sit in your recliner and watch him go while eating your favorite brand of popcorn.

I've seen Biden at several debates over the past several months. He is fine. He has not appeared slow or confused. He is an average to below average debater and always has been. His main issue is he can seem out of touch to the world of Zoomers and Millennials by referring to things like record players, but that is baked in. I remember when Democrats so ramped up how bad George W. was going to be that when he failed to drool or poop his pants on stage it was a huge victory for him. Amazing that you guys are making the same mistake. You don't see the Democrats playing up Mr. "United Shezhsezeh" talking about the "Oranges of the Investigation". You have two guys that pretty equally likely to say something stupid at a debate. One who is expected to and one who isn't and keeps calling the other guy senile. The danger would be all on Trump's side except for the fact that if things stay the same he will have nothing to lose.

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Maybe to you the chaos has subsided, but not to the people in Portland, New York, Seattle, Chicago or Atlanta. My stepmother lives in NYC and she won't even leave her house. There's a feeling that the inmates are running the prison there and it ain't pretty. Look at the crime rates of the major cities vs. last year. If all is calm in your eyes, get to the optometrist ASAP.

I agree that Trump hurts himself in many ways. But it's clear that Biden's handlers are keeping him out of public view. I watch the NBC Nightly News every day and I can't remember even a Skype interview occurring, even on tape. This is unheard of in an election year. To say they're just trying to keep him safe from Covid when dozens and dozens of other politicians are doing the interview circuit is just wishful thinking. Let's see how many debates Biden agrees to, but more specifically, let's see how many he agrees to unconditionally.

We are going to have an election of the lesser of two evils. Trump is a known quantity. A bad quantity yes, but a known one. Biden will be under tremendous pressure from the radical left who hold all the momentum in this country. He will be under pressure to bring on a running mate who, in the past, would have been deemed completely out of consideration, but would now be seen as a representative for "radical" change. The AOCs, the Omars, the Talibs and their followers will have tremendous influence on Biden, and I don't think that gives the average American any comfort at all. This can and will be easily exploited by the Trump campaign. It's going to be messy.

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I'm terrified that Biden is going to lose Oregon, Washington, New York or Illinois. Meanwhile he is polling better in Georgia than any Democrat in decades. I don't need an optometrist. I can see just fine how right wing media is trying to play up the stories.

They have already agreed to three debates. Don't give me the BS about how much BIDEN will agree to unconditionally. Trump was the one who was dodging claiming the bipartisan Commission on Debates is bias against him and he might not agree to debate, until it became clear that he was the one that needed the debates. He went from 0 debates to 5 while the Biden campaign consistently maintained they would do 3 debates as has become the norm.

The Democratic party is united. The "radical left" is not pressuring him to pick a "radical left" VP unless you define "radical left" from the point of view of "radical right". You can try to tie him to AOC and Omar all you want, but the VP candidates are already pretty well known and none of them come from that wing of the party. Kamala Harris is thought to be the frontrunner. Most political pundits view her as a pretty run of the mill Democrat, though I know Trump will try to exploit how left wing she is or whoever else is picked. (I'm sure he would do it equally if Biden picked Mitt Romney, frankly). You are right it will be easily exploited...in states that Biden was never going to win.

The hilarious thing is that Republican political operatives are not painting anything close to as good a picture for you as you are. Their own polling is awful.

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Did I paint a good picture for Trump? I didn't think so. I think his chances are 25% right now. I've seen enough debates with Biden and he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one.

Do you really think AOC and the like won't have influence with Joe? Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one

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You mean polite and following the rules? You really think that is going to play badly next to Trump who can't help being an ass?

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Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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Oh.... my..... god! Co chair of the climate change task force!!!!! The power behind the thrown?!?!?!?! She is practically running the universe! She is like only 150 million heartbeats away from the presidency. Why, Joe? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY???????? Next you are going to tell me that Omar is assistant to the regional manager in charge of advising the undersecretary to the chief of the committee to advise on the formation of the Space Force.

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Polite and following the rules? Is that what he was doing? OK I guess you could spin it that way, but I think you're pulling my leg. I think he wants to talk as little as he can and I have a feeling you know what OTB.

Sure, you could say that AOC was appointed a figurehead position, but keep in mind, he could've appointed any of hundreds of worthwhile candidates. He could have appointed someone who was knowledgeable on ... well ... the environment! Like it or not she's the face of the Democratic party and that's why she was given the position. It's distasteful, I know, but still undeniable.

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The "face of the party" is usually the President, the Presidential Nominee, or maybe someone in a leadership position like Speaker of the House.

AOC has plenty of fans, but she's got a ways to go before being the "face of the party."

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Then she, out of a country full of worthwhile candidates, was appointed for what reason?

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LMK5 said:

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Biden didn't seem senile at the Democratic debates. It was clear however, that everyone else on stage was smarter than him. That would have been the case even with Joe minus 40 years. A 10 year old could hold his own with tRump, intellectually. tRump is just a bully that regurgitates Tucker, Stephen Miller and Fox & Friends talking points. I'm not happy Joe is our guy, but you gotta dance with the guy that brought you.

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Joe "you know the thing" Biden will not look good in a one-on-one debate and his handlers know it (and so does everyone on this board). They are keeping him tucked away as much as possible and for as long as possible. They've made a calculation: Who will hurt their chances more, the chaos in America's lawless Dem-run cities, or having Joe Biden appear in public? They've determined that they'll take their chances with the trashing of urban America. Stay tuned.

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Wow. That is a bizarre take. Especially given the "chaos" has subsided. Whether they have hidden him away vs. keeping him and others safe from catching Covid while he issues statements and does interviews from inside is one question, but the bottom line is the reason they think they can afford it is that Trump has spent a couple months doing and saying things to hurt his chances of reelection and seen his standing in the polls plummet. Frankly, I think if Biden were a dazzling and brilliant person they still think the best course is to keep the focus on Trump. A view that is shared by absolutely everyone in the political sphere including Republican operatives, many of whom are focusing on trying to save the House and Senate. The calculation they have made is what helps Biden's chances more, Biden talking or Trump talking. The fact that they think it is Trump talking is 90% related to Trump. Since April 2, Trump's net approval rating (according to Fivethirtyeight) has gone from negative 4.3 to negative 15.4. If you were running against him you would also shut up, sit in your recliner and watch him go while eating your favorite brand of popcorn.

I've seen Biden at several debates over the past several months. He is fine. He has not appeared slow or confused. He is an average to below average debater and always has been. His main issue is he can seem out of touch to the world of Zoomers and Millennials by referring to things like record players, but that is baked in. I remember when Democrats so ramped up how bad George W. was going to be that when he failed to drool or poop his pants on stage it was a huge victory for him. Amazing that you guys are making the same mistake. You don't see the Democrats playing up Mr. "United Shezhsezeh" talking about the "Oranges of the Investigation". You have two guys that pretty equally likely to say something stupid at a debate. One who is expected to and one who isn't and keeps calling the other guy senile. The danger would be all on Trump's side except for the fact that if things stay the same he will have nothing to lose.

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Maybe to you the chaos has subsided, but not to the people in Portland, New York, Seattle, Chicago or Atlanta. My stepmother lives in NYC and she won't even leave her house. There's a feeling that the inmates are running the prison there and it ain't pretty. Look at the crime rates of the major cities vs. last year. If all is calm in your eyes, get to the optometrist ASAP.

I agree that Trump hurts himself in many ways. But it's clear that Biden's handlers are keeping him out of public view. I watch the NBC Nightly News every day and I can't remember even a Skype interview occurring, even on tape. This is unheard of in an election year. To say they're just trying to keep him safe from Covid when dozens and dozens of other politicians are doing the interview circuit is just wishful thinking. Let's see how many debates Biden agrees to, but more specifically, let's see how many he agrees to unconditionally.

We are going to have an election of the lesser of two evils. Trump is a known quantity. A bad quantity yes, but a known one. Biden will be under tremendous pressure from the radical left who hold all the momentum in this country. He will be under pressure to bring on a running mate who, in the past, would have been deemed completely out of consideration, but would now be seen as a representative for "radical" change. The AOCs, the Omars, the Talibs and their followers will have tremendous influence on Biden, and I don't think that gives the average American any comfort at all. This can and will be easily exploited by the Trump campaign. It's going to be messy.

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I'm terrified that Biden is going to lose Oregon, Washington, New York or Illinois. Meanwhile he is polling better in Georgia than any Democrat in decades. I don't need an optometrist. I can see just fine how right wing media is trying to play up the stories.

They have already agreed to three debates. Don't give me the BS about how much BIDEN will agree to unconditionally. Trump was the one who was dodging claiming the bipartisan Commission on Debates is bias against him and he might not agree to debate, until it became clear that he was the one that needed the debates. He went from 0 debates to 5 while the Biden campaign consistently maintained they would do 3 debates as has become the norm.

The Democratic party is united. The "radical left" is not pressuring him to pick a "radical left" VP unless you define "radical left" from the point of view of "radical right". You can try to tie him to AOC and Omar all you want, but the VP candidates are already pretty well known and none of them come from that wing of the party. Kamala Harris is thought to be the frontrunner. Most political pundits view her as a pretty run of the mill Democrat, though I know Trump will try to exploit how left wing she is or whoever else is picked. (I'm sure he would do it equally if Biden picked Mitt Romney, frankly). You are right it will be easily exploited...in states that Biden was never going to win.

The hilarious thing is that Republican political operatives are not painting anything close to as good a picture for you as you are. Their own polling is awful.

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Did I paint a good picture for Trump? I didn't think so. I think his chances are 25% right now. I've seen enough debates with Biden and he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one.

Do you really think AOC and the like won't have influence with Joe? Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one

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You mean polite and following the rules? You really think that is going to play badly next to Trump who can't help being an ass?

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Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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Oh.... my..... god! Co chair of the climate change task force!!!!! The power behind the thrown?!?!?!?! She is practically running the universe! She is like only 150 million heartbeats away from the presidency. Why, Joe? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY???????? Next you are going to tell me that Omar is assistant to the regional manager in charge of advising the undersecretary to the chief of the committee to advise on the formation of the Space Force.

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Polite and following the rules? Is that what he was doing? OK I guess you could spin it that way, but I think you're pulling my leg. I think he wants to talk as little as he can and I have a feeling you know what OTB.

Sure, you could say that AOC was appointed a figurehead position, but keep in mind, he could've appointed any of hundreds of worthwhile candidates. He could have appointed someone who was knowledgeable on ... well ... the environment! Like it or not she's the face of the Democratic party and that's why she was given the position. It's distasteful, I know, but still undeniable.

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The "face of the party" is usually the President, the Presidential Nominee, or maybe someone in a leadership position like Speaker of the House.

AOC has plenty of fans, but she's got a ways to go before being the "face of the party."

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Then she, out of a country full of worthwhile candidates, was appointed for what reason

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LMK5 said:

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LMK5 said:

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Biden didn't seem senile at the Democratic debates. It was clear however, that everyone else on stage was smarter than him. That would have been the case even with Joe minus 40 years. A 10 year old could hold his own with tRump, intellectually. tRump is just a bully that regurgitates Tucker, Stephen Miller and Fox & Friends talking points. I'm not happy Joe is our guy, but you gotta dance with the guy that brought you.

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Joe "you know the thing" Biden will not look good in a one-on-one debate and his handlers know it (and so does everyone on this board). They are keeping him tucked away as much as possible and for as long as possible. They've made a calculation: Who will hurt their chances more, the chaos in America's lawless Dem-run cities, or having Joe Biden appear in public? They've determined that they'll take their chances with the trashing of urban America. Stay tuned.

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Wow. That is a bizarre take. Especially given the "chaos" has subsided. Whether they have hidden him away vs. keeping him and others safe from catching Covid while he issues statements and does interviews from inside is one question, but the bottom line is the reason they think they can afford it is that Trump has spent a couple months doing and saying things to hurt his chances of reelection and seen his standing in the polls plummet. Frankly, I think if Biden were a dazzling and brilliant person they still think the best course is to keep the focus on Trump. A view that is shared by absolutely everyone in the political sphere including Republican operatives, many of whom are focusing on trying to save the House and Senate. The calculation they have made is what helps Biden's chances more, Biden talking or Trump talking. The fact that they think it is Trump talking is 90% related to Trump. Since April 2, Trump's net approval rating (according to Fivethirtyeight) has gone from negative 4.3 to negative 15.4. If you were running against him you would also shut up, sit in your recliner and watch him go while eating your favorite brand of popcorn.

I've seen Biden at several debates over the past several months. He is fine. He has not appeared slow or confused. He is an average to below average debater and always has been. His main issue is he can seem out of touch to the world of Zoomers and Millennials by referring to things like record players, but that is baked in. I remember when Democrats so ramped up how bad George W. was going to be that when he failed to drool or poop his pants on stage it was a huge victory for him. Amazing that you guys are making the same mistake. You don't see the Democrats playing up Mr. "United Shezhsezeh" talking about the "Oranges of the Investigation". You have two guys that pretty equally likely to say something stupid at a debate. One who is expected to and one who isn't and keeps calling the other guy senile. The danger would be all on Trump's side except for the fact that if things stay the same he will have nothing to lose.

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Maybe to you the chaos has subsided, but not to the people in Portland, New York, Seattle, Chicago or Atlanta. My stepmother lives in NYC and she won't even leave her house. There's a feeling that the inmates are running the prison there and it ain't pretty. Look at the crime rates of the major cities vs. last year. If all is calm in your eyes, get to the optometrist ASAP.

I agree that Trump hurts himself in many ways. But it's clear that Biden's handlers are keeping him out of public view. I watch the NBC Nightly News every day and I can't remember even a Skype interview occurring, even on tape. This is unheard of in an election year. To say they're just trying to keep him safe from Covid when dozens and dozens of other politicians are doing the interview circuit is just wishful thinking. Let's see how many debates Biden agrees to, but more specifically, let's see how many he agrees to unconditionally.

We are going to have an election of the lesser of two evils. Trump is a known quantity. A bad quantity yes, but a known one. Biden will be under tremendous pressure from the radical left who hold all the momentum in this country. He will be under pressure to bring on a running mate who, in the past, would have been deemed completely out of consideration, but would now be seen as a representative for "radical" change. The AOCs, the Omars, the Talibs and their followers will have tremendous influence on Biden, and I don't think that gives the average American any comfort at all. This can and will be easily exploited by the Trump campaign. It's going to be messy.

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I'm terrified that Biden is going to lose Oregon, Washington, New York or Illinois. Meanwhile he is polling better in Georgia than any Democrat in decades. I don't need an optometrist. I can see just fine how right wing media is trying to play up the stories.

They have already agreed to three debates. Don't give me the BS about how much BIDEN will agree to unconditionally. Trump was the one who was dodging claiming the bipartisan Commission on Debates is bias against him and he might not agree to debate, until it became clear that he was the one that needed the debates. He went from 0 debates to 5 while the Biden campaign consistently maintained they would do 3 debates as has become the norm.

The Democratic party is united. The "radical left" is not pressuring him to pick a "radical left" VP unless you define "radical left" from the point of view of "radical right". You can try to tie him to AOC and Omar all you want, but the VP candidates are already pretty well known and none of them come from that wing of the party. Kamala Harris is thought to be the frontrunner. Most political pundits view her as a pretty run of the mill Democrat, though I know Trump will try to exploit how left wing she is or whoever else is picked. (I'm sure he would do it equally if Biden picked Mitt Romney, frankly). You are right it will be easily exploited...in states that Biden was never going to win.

The hilarious thing is that Republican political operatives are not painting anything close to as good a picture for you as you are. Their own polling is awful.

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Did I paint a good picture for Trump? I didn't think so. I think his chances are 25% right now. I've seen enough debates with Biden and he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one.

Do you really think AOC and the like won't have influence with Joe? Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one

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You mean polite and following the rules? You really think that is going to play badly next to Trump who can't help being an ass?

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Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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Oh.... my..... god! Co chair of the climate change task force!!!!! The power behind the thrown?!?!?!?! She is practically running the universe! She is like only 150 million heartbeats away from the presidency. Why, Joe? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY???????? Next you are going to tell me that Omar is assistant to the regional manager in charge of advising the undersecretary to the chief of the committee to advise on the formation of the Space Force.

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Polite and following the rules? Is that what he was doing? OK I guess you could spin it that way, but I think you're pulling my leg. I think he wants to talk as little as he can and I have a feeling you know what OTB.

Sure, you could say that AOC was appointed a figurehead position, but keep in mind, he could've appointed any of hundreds of worthwhile candidates. He could have appointed someone who was knowledgeable on ... well ... the environment! Like it or not she's the face of the Democratic party and that's why she was given the position. It's distasteful, I know, but still undeniable.

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The "face of the party" is usually the President, the Presidential Nominee, or maybe someone in a leadership position like Speaker of the House.

AOC has plenty of fans, but she's got a ways to go before being the "face of the party."

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Then she, out of a country full of worthwhile candidates, was appointed for what reason?

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Probably because she spearheaded the Green New Deal, which has energized certain wings of the party.

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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Biden didn't seem senile at the Democratic debates. It was clear however, that everyone else on stage was smarter than him. That would have been the case even with Joe minus 40 years. A 10 year old could hold his own with tRump, intellectually. tRump is just a bully that regurgitates Tucker, Stephen Miller and Fox & Friends talking points. I'm not happy Joe is our guy, but you gotta dance with the guy that brought you.

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Joe "you know the thing" Biden will not look good in a one-on-one debate and his handlers know it (and so does everyone on this board). They are keeping him tucked away as much as possible and for as long as possible. They've made a calculation: Who will hurt their chances more, the chaos in America's lawless Dem-run cities, or having Joe Biden appear in public? They've determined that they'll take their chances with the trashing of urban America. Stay tuned.

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Wow. That is a bizarre take. Especially given the "chaos" has subsided. Whether they have hidden him away vs. keeping him and others safe from catching Covid while he issues statements and does interviews from inside is one question, but the bottom line is the reason they think they can afford it is that Trump has spent a couple months doing and saying things to hurt his chances of reelection and seen his standing in the polls plummet. Frankly, I think if Biden were a dazzling and brilliant person they still think the best course is to keep the focus on Trump. A view that is shared by absolutely everyone in the political sphere including Republican operatives, many of whom are focusing on trying to save the House and Senate. The calculation they have made is what helps Biden's chances more, Biden talking or Trump talking. The fact that they think it is Trump talking is 90% related to Trump. Since April 2, Trump's net approval rating (according to Fivethirtyeight) has gone from negative 4.3 to negative 15.4. If you were running against him you would also shut up, sit in your recliner and watch him go while eating your favorite brand of popcorn.

I've seen Biden at several debates over the past several months. He is fine. He has not appeared slow or confused. He is an average to below average debater and always has been. His main issue is he can seem out of touch to the world of Zoomers and Millennials by referring to things like record players, but that is baked in. I remember when Democrats so ramped up how bad George W. was going to be that when he failed to drool or poop his pants on stage it was a huge victory for him. Amazing that you guys are making the same mistake. You don't see the Democrats playing up Mr. "United Shezhsezeh" talking about the "Oranges of the Investigation". You have two guys that pretty equally likely to say something stupid at a debate. One who is expected to and one who isn't and keeps calling the other guy senile. The danger would be all on Trump's side except for the fact that if things stay the same he will have nothing to lose.

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Maybe to you the chaos has subsided, but not to the people in Portland, New York, Seattle, Chicago or Atlanta. My stepmother lives in NYC and she won't even leave her house. There's a feeling that the inmates are running the prison there and it ain't pretty. Look at the crime rates of the major cities vs. last year. If all is calm in your eyes, get to the optometrist ASAP.

I agree that Trump hurts himself in many ways. But it's clear that Biden's handlers are keeping him out of public view. I watch the NBC Nightly News every day and I can't remember even a Skype interview occurring, even on tape. This is unheard of in an election year. To say they're just trying to keep him safe from Covid when dozens and dozens of other politicians are doing the interview circuit is just wishful thinking. Let's see how many debates Biden agrees to, but more specifically, let's see how many he agrees to unconditionally.

We are going to have an election of the lesser of two evils. Trump is a known quantity. A bad quantity yes, but a known one. Biden will be under tremendous pressure from the radical left who hold all the momentum in this country. He will be under pressure to bring on a running mate who, in the past, would have been deemed completely out of consideration, but would now be seen as a representative for "radical" change. The AOCs, the Omars, the Talibs and their followers will have tremendous influence on Biden, and I don't think that gives the average American any comfort at all. This can and will be easily exploited by the Trump campaign. It's going to be messy.

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I'm terrified that Biden is going to lose Oregon, Washington, New York or Illinois. Meanwhile he is polling better in Georgia than any Democrat in decades. I don't need an optometrist. I can see just fine how right wing media is trying to play up the stories.

They have already agreed to three debates. Don't give me the BS about how much BIDEN will agree to unconditionally. Trump was the one who was dodging claiming the bipartisan Commission on Debates is bias against him and he might not agree to debate, until it became clear that he was the one that needed the debates. He went from 0 debates to 5 while the Biden campaign consistently maintained they would do 3 debates as has become the norm.

The Democratic party is united. The "radical left" is not pressuring him to pick a "radical left" VP unless you define "radical left" from the point of view of "radical right". You can try to tie him to AOC and Omar all you want, but the VP candidates are already pretty well known and none of them come from that wing of the party. Kamala Harris is thought to be the frontrunner. Most political pundits view her as a pretty run of the mill Democrat, though I know Trump will try to exploit how left wing she is or whoever else is picked. (I'm sure he would do it equally if Biden picked Mitt Romney, frankly). You are right it will be easily exploited...in states that Biden was never going to win.

The hilarious thing is that Republican political operatives are not painting anything close to as good a picture for you as you are. Their own polling is awful.

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Did I paint a good picture for Trump? I didn't think so. I think his chances are 25% right now. I've seen enough debates with Biden and he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one.

Do you really think AOC and the like won't have influence with Joe? Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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he is the only candidate I've ever seen who seemed to be just fine abruptly ending his turn when his time was up. That tells me quite a bit about his comfort in debating and it will be worse one-on-one

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You mean polite and following the rules? You really think that is going to play badly next to Trump who can't help being an ass?

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Do you realize that AOC was appointed co-chair of Biden's climate change task force?

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Oh.... my..... god! Co chair of the climate change task force!!!!! The power behind the thrown?!?!?!?! She is practically running the universe! She is like only 150 million heartbeats away from the presidency. Why, Joe? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY???????? Next you are going to tell me that Omar is assistant to the regional manager in charge of advising the undersecretary to the chief of the committee to advise on the formation of the Space Force.

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Polite and following the rules? Is that what he was doing? OK I guess you could spin it that way, but I think you're pulling my leg. I think he wants to talk as little as he can and I have a feeling you know that OTB.

Sure, you could say that AOC was appointed a figurehead position, but keep in mind, he could've appointed any of hundreds of worthwhile candidates. He could have appointed someone who was knowledgeable on ... well ... the environment! Like it or not she's the face of the Democratic party and that's why she was given the position. It's distasteful, I know, but still undeniable.

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Yes. I saw the debate. He was being polite and following the rules. Everytime he did it he was in the middle of a point, saw the light and stopped. One time to his significant detriment.

We Democrats hardly talk about AOC. I'm happy to have her in the tent. She isn't ready to lead but I'm happy to have her represent the young, liberal wing of the party. It's Republicans that talk about her nonstop.

She would have been appointed co-chair because she was a leader of the Green New Deal movement and yes it was a nod to the young guns. It is a minor position in an area that she has been vocal about.

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Big C said:

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More and more Americans are seeing this election for what it will be: half way decent vs. horrible

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OaktownBear said:

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We Democrats hardly talk about AOC. I'm happy to have her in the tent. She isn't ready to lead but I'm happy to have her represent the young, liberal wing of the party. It's Republicans that talk about her nonstop.

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OaktownBear said:

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Yes. I saw the debate. He was being polite and following the rules. Everytime he did it he was in the middle of a point, saw the light and stopped. One time to his significant detriment.

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We Democrats hardly talk about AOC. I'm happy to have her in the tent. She isn't ready to lead but I'm happy to have her represent the young, liberal wing of the party.

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Matthew Patel said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Yes. I saw the debate. He was being polite and following the rules. Everytime he did it he was in the middle of a point, saw the light and stopped. One time to his significant detriment.

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Revisiionist history is fun, isn't it?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/28/politics/joe-biden-debate-performance/index.html

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We Democrats hardly talk about AOC. I'm happy to have her in the tent. She isn't ready to lead but I'm happy to have her represent the young, liberal wing of the party.

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She's one of the few willing to lead. Most are just automatons that vote the way Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer tells them to, making them essentially worthless.

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Matthew Patel said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Yes. I saw the debate. He was being polite and following the rules. Everytime he did it he was in the middle of a point, saw the light and stopped. One time to his significant detriment.

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Revisiionist history is fun, isn't it?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/28/politics/joe-biden-debate-performance/index.html

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We Democrats hardly talk about AOC. I'm happy to have her in the tent. She isn't ready to lead but I'm happy to have her represent the young, liberal wing of the party.

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She's one of the few willing to lead. Most are just automatons that vote the way Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer tells them to, making them essentially worthless.

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GBear4Life said:

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I still don't recall any case that was made in this thread why the 4th of July speech stood out in any particular way, or was otherwise beyond the pale from a content standpoint. Bullet points will suffice.

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Matthew Patel said:

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We Democrats hardly talk about AOC. I'm happy to have her in the tent. She isn't ready to lead but I'm happy to have her represent the young, liberal wing of the party.

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She's one of the few willing to lead. Most are just automatons that vote the way Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer tells them to, making them essentially worthless.

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sycasey said:

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By the way, Joe Biden does not have a problem with winning over the left wing of the party.

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Matthew Patel said:

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sycasey said:

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By the way, Joe Biden does not have a problem with winning over the left wing of the party.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/08/joe-biden-young-black-voters-say-not-excited-candidate/5344135002/

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sycasey said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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sycasey said:

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By the way, Joe Biden does not have a problem with winning over the left wing of the party.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/08/joe-biden-young-black-voters-say-not-excited-candidate/5344135002/

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Was this supposed to be a rebuttal? Some anecdotal examples of a relatively small slice of the electorate?

I don't think this really holds up well against 87-4 support in polling of Bernie voters.

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Matthew Patel said:

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sycasey said:

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Matthew Patel said:

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sycasey said:

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By the way, Joe Biden does not have a problem with winning over the left wing of the party.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/08/joe-biden-young-black-voters-say-not-excited-candidate/5344135002/

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Was this supposed to be a rebuttal? Some anecdotal examples of a relatively small slice of the electorate?

I don't think this really holds up well against 87-4 support in polling of Bernie voters.

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You're trying so hard to convince yourself that people are voting FOR Biden and not AGAINST Trump

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