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In reply to Shocky1 • 10:05a, 4/9/21
Shocky1 said:

the monster back in the day repeatedly told mike williams (who remarkably didn't respond to emails from anybody including donors) & ashwin puri (who masterfully lobbied fellow floor seat mate bob melvin for a front office opportunity with the oakland a's) both in person & thru emails that coach martin & his family was gonna leave if their son joshua was not accepted by berkeley admissions...attending every cal home & away game for multiple seasons flying from north scottsdale multiple times a week during the mike montgomery & cuonzo martin years of monster domination, i often sat next to the genuinely authentic roberta martin in the 1st row behind the bench at road games...she told me that their son joshua had a 3.67 gpa & solid test scores but was wait listed for cal...i remember sitting courtside at madison square garden during the bears epic victory vs a shocked hometown syracuse crowd next to the quiet joshua as the thick rimmed glass youngster read a book during much of the game...yeah shocky loved walking onto the venerable msg floor & clapping his hands in victory (lots of dirty looks from oragenmen fans packing up their **** to go home) as my boy sammy singer dribbled out the clock during the final seconds


williams (one of the great myths about him is that he donated his athletic directory salary back to cal, that isn't true) & puri (who didn't have any relationships, kinda like jim knowlton in the last basketball coaching search, he got played by eric musselmen who used the cal interest to negotiate a better deal with nevada's largest donor, a casino magnate, musselmen got zero interest in academic achievement & would've been a horrible fit in berkeley) didn't do anything so i took this issue up with the academic support team but at the end of the day joshua was never accepted by admissions...the red flags were all there then as when discussing recruiting updates with the staff it was clear to me that the recruiting focus was shifting to guys in the midwest which suggested an interest in either the then open illinois or missouri head coaching jobs...i told my friend bishop o'down's lou richie all of this & he encouraged young ivee to sit out of the nit fiasco loss at haas when martin had already accepted the missouri job & was actively working the porter family deal...my missouri sources tell me that joshua is excelling in the classrooms of purdue

the biggest misconception about cal basketball is that coach martin (who played in the nba & was coached by gene keady plus he's a smart guy, he not a dumb azz) didn't understand offensive schemes compared to coach montgomery (which is an unfair comparison vs arguably the greatest strategist the game has ever seen, the bears ability to score after timeouts on schemed in bound plays under mike was ******* unreal)...cuonzo told me & his prospective recruits that as long as they played very physical man to man nba level d, he would let them improvise/free lance nba style on o...that's the sobering reality of today's college recruiting & failure to understand this will result in non nba level players on a roster

let's be real here, elite 5 star mcdonald all american impact future nba players (like ivan, jabari & jaylen who read cal's monster class during their high school days) wanna play in front of 10k+ crowds at a loud haas pavillon as the shockster (attired in a fuchsia, ok maybe purple, villebrequin dress shirt) leads the frenzied hometown crowd in stormin' the floor, running free with reckless abandonment with zero ******* regrets toward the center of the universe


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I do not want to remotely criticize a kid who has nothing to do with the situation, especially on hearsay evidence that I have no way to verify. This is a response to you. A 3.67 at PHS coupled with "solid" test scores does not get you within 10 miles of getting accepted at Cal. Further, what you were asking of them was not only unethical and unwise, it is literally illegal. I'm sure he is a decent kid and I'm sure if he applied he was accepted at another UC.

I have no way of knowing whether that influenced Martin's decision as you claim. (I suspect the much higher salary that we were never going to match was the deciding factor) but if he expected automatic entry for all his kids into the school whether or not they are close to matching the academic profile of an admit, he can GTFO. If he was effectively recruiting for Missouri while still our coach, he can GTFO really hard.

Not that I am accepting that any of that is true, but I am saying that anyone who cites this fact pattern at Cal that needs to be changed needs to find someone else to root for. We are a public university serving the people of California, not a basketball team with a university attached. I guarantee if you put it to a vote of faculty or of students or of alums or of the taxpayers of California, the idea of admitting the basketball coach's son just to make him happy is going to lose overwhelmingly. You either need to accept that or move on to an organization that is more aligned with your principles
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I will say I am of two minds here on Zo's son. That is a slippery slope. But the program would be better off.

Full disclosure - I was a faculty brat and my dad, brought in more in grants most years (and thus the 45% "overhead" charge from the univeristy) than the BB program makes on its narrowly defined Net. That isn't unique. But faculty kids get NO special dispensation from admissions (whereas they would at a decent number of other institutions - including the CSU system that gives them a SIGNIFICANT price cut). Once you start doing that I don't know where you draw the line and it feels like Martin shouldn't have complained _IF_ (and this could be a big IF) Williams was upfront and honest about it. I would not be shocked (at all) if that wasn't the case and Martin felt bait and switched by the time his son was applying....or he could have been frustrated as the full effects of Ward Connerly's prop 209 became clear and how that creates a significant variance between UC (and California at large) and every other state in the country.
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In reply to BearlyCareAnymore • 10:15a, 4/9/21
OaktownBear said:
Shocky1 said:

the monster back in the day repeatedly told mike williams (who remarkably didn't respond to emails from anybody including donors) & ashwin puri (who masterfully lobbied fellow floor seat mate bob melvin for a front office opportunity with the oakland a's) both in person & thru emails that coach martin & his family was gonna leave if their son joshua was not accepted by berkeley admissions...attending every cal home & away game for multiple seasons flying from north scottsdale multiple times a week during the mike montgomery & cuonzo martin years of monster domination, i often sat next to the genuinely authentic roberta martin in the 1st row behind the bench at road games...she told me that their son joshua had a 3.67 gpa & solid test scores but was wait listed for cal...i remember sitting courtside at madison square garden during the bears epic victory vs a shocked hometown syracuse crowd next to the quiet joshua as the thick rimmed glass youngster read a book during much of the game...yeah shocky loved walking onto the venerable msg floor & clapping his hands in victory (lots of dirty looks from oragenmen fans packing up their **** to go home) as my boy sammy singer dribbled out the clock during the final seconds


williams (one of the great myths about him is that he donated his athletic directory salary back to cal, that isn't true) & puri (who didn't have any relationships, kinda like jim knowlton in the last basketball coaching search, he got played by eric musselmen who used the cal interest to negotiate a better deal with nevada's largest donor, a casino magnate, musselmen got zero interest in academic achievement & would've been a horrible fit in berkeley) didn't do anything so i took this issue up with the academic support team but at the end of the day joshua was never accepted by admissions...the red flags were all there then as when discussing recruiting updates with the staff it was clear to me that the recruiting focus was shifting to guys in the midwest which suggested an interest in either the then open illinois or missouri head coaching jobs...i told my friend bishop o'down's lou richie all of this & he encouraged young ivee to sit out of the nit fiasco loss at haas when martin had already accepted the missouri job & was actively working the porter family deal...my missouri sources tell me that joshua is excelling in the classrooms of purdue

the biggest misconception about cal basketball is that coach martin (who played in the nba & was coached by gene keady plus he's a smart guy, he not a dumb azz) didn't understand offensive schemes compared to coach montgomery (which is an unfair comparison vs arguably the greatest strategist the game has ever seen, the bears ability to score after timeouts on schemed in bound plays under mike was ******* unreal)...cuonzo told me & his prospective recruits that as long as they played very physical man to man nba level d, he would let them improvise/free lance nba style on o...that's the sobering reality of today's college recruiting & failure to understand this will result in non nba level players on a roster

let's be real here, elite 5 star mcdonald all american impact future nba players (like ivan, jabari & jaylen who read cal's monster class during their high school days) wanna play in front of 10k+ crowds at a loud haas pavillon as the shockster (attired in a fuchsia, ok maybe purple, villebrequin dress shirt) leads the frenzied hometown crowd in stormin' the floor, running free with reckless abandonment with zero ******* regrets toward the center of the universe


the magic of cal basketball (clothes & censorship is for losers)#



I do not want to remotely criticize a kid who has nothing to do with the situation, especially on hearsay evidence that I have no way to verify. This is a response to you. A 3.67 at PHS coupled with "solid" test scores does not get you within 10 miles of getting accepted at Cal. Further, what you were asking of them was not only unethical and unwise, it is literally illegal. I'm sure he is a decent kid and I'm sure if he applied he was accepted at another UC.

I have no way of knowing whether that influenced Martin's decision as you claim. (I suspect the much higher salary that we were never going to match was the deciding factor) but if he expected automatic entry for all his kids into the school whether or not they are close to matching the academic profile of an admit, he can GTFO. If he was effectively recruiting for Missouri while still our coach, he can GTFO really hard.

Not that I am accepting that any of that is true, but I am saying that anyone who cites this fact pattern at Cal that needs to be changed needs to find someone else to root for. We are a public university serving the people of California, not a basketball team with a university attached. I guarantee if you put it to a vote of faculty or of students or of alums or of the taxpayers of California, the idea of admitting the basketball coach's son just to make him happy is going to lose overwhelmingly. You either need to accept that or move on to an organization that is more aligned with your principles
I agree with that EXCEPT - and this is a bit of an interesting debate - UC is an outlier here. As noted above, CSU provides a SIGNIFICANT benefit to faculty/staff kids. Many other schools around the country do. Then lets add on Prop 209 - which means that whereas the Martin's saw their son likely wooed like crazy by other institutions, Cal's hand were tied (for good or ill).

Now I am not saying that Cal should change. But I do think a full debate should acknowledge that when one aligns with Cal's "values" that puts it at odds with most of the rest of higher education.

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In reply to socaltownie • 11:00a, 4/9/21
socaltownie said:
OaktownBear said:
Shocky1 said:

the monster back in the day repeatedly told mike williams (who remarkably didn't respond to emails from anybody including donors) & ashwin puri (who masterfully lobbied fellow floor seat mate bob melvin for a front office opportunity with the oakland a's) both in person & thru emails that coach martin & his family was gonna leave if their son joshua was not accepted by berkeley admissions...attending every cal home & away game for multiple seasons flying from north scottsdale multiple times a week during the mike montgomery & cuonzo martin years of monster domination, i often sat next to the genuinely authentic roberta martin in the 1st row behind the bench at road games...she told me that their son joshua had a 3.67 gpa & solid test scores but was wait listed for cal...i remember sitting courtside at madison square garden during the bears epic victory vs a shocked hometown syracuse crowd next to the quiet joshua as the thick rimmed glass youngster read a book during much of the game...yeah shocky loved walking onto the venerable msg floor & clapping his hands in victory (lots of dirty looks from oragenmen fans packing up their **** to go home) as my boy sammy singer dribbled out the clock during the final seconds


williams (one of the great myths about him is that he donated his athletic directory salary back to cal, that isn't true) & puri (who didn't have any relationships, kinda like jim knowlton in the last basketball coaching search, he got played by eric musselmen who used the cal interest to negotiate a better deal with nevada's largest donor, a casino magnate, musselmen got zero interest in academic achievement & would've been a horrible fit in berkeley) didn't do anything so i took this issue up with the academic support team but at the end of the day joshua was never accepted by admissions...the red flags were all there then as when discussing recruiting updates with the staff it was clear to me that the recruiting focus was shifting to guys in the midwest which suggested an interest in either the then open illinois or missouri head coaching jobs...i told my friend bishop o'down's lou richie all of this & he encouraged young ivee to sit out of the nit fiasco loss at haas when martin had already accepted the missouri job & was actively working the porter family deal...my missouri sources tell me that joshua is excelling in the classrooms of purdue

the biggest misconception about cal basketball is that coach martin (who played in the nba & was coached by gene keady plus he's a smart guy, he not a dumb azz) didn't understand offensive schemes compared to coach montgomery (which is an unfair comparison vs arguably the greatest strategist the game has ever seen, the bears ability to score after timeouts on schemed in bound plays under mike was ******* unreal)...cuonzo told me & his prospective recruits that as long as they played very physical man to man nba level d, he would let them improvise/free lance nba style on o...that's the sobering reality of today's college recruiting & failure to understand this will result in non nba level players on a roster

let's be real here, elite 5 star mcdonald all american impact future nba players (like ivan, jabari & jaylen who read cal's monster class during their high school days) wanna play in front of 10k+ crowds at a loud haas pavillon as the shockster (attired in a fuchsia, ok maybe purple, villebrequin dress shirt) leads the frenzied hometown crowd in stormin' the floor, running free with reckless abandonment with zero ******* regrets toward the center of the universe


the magic of cal basketball (clothes & censorship is for losers)#



I do not want to remotely criticize a kid who has nothing to do with the situation, especially on hearsay evidence that I have no way to verify. This is a response to you. A 3.67 at PHS coupled with "solid" test scores does not get you within 10 miles of getting accepted at Cal. Further, what you were asking of them was not only unethical and unwise, it is literally illegal. I'm sure he is a decent kid and I'm sure if he applied he was accepted at another UC.

I have no way of knowing whether that influenced Martin's decision as you claim. (I suspect the much higher salary that we were never going to match was the deciding factor) but if he expected automatic entry for all his kids into the school whether or not they are close to matching the academic profile of an admit, he can GTFO. If he was effectively recruiting for Missouri while still our coach, he can GTFO really hard.

Not that I am accepting that any of that is true, but I am saying that anyone who cites this fact pattern at Cal that needs to be changed needs to find someone else to root for. We are a public university serving the people of California, not a basketball team with a university attached. I guarantee if you put it to a vote of faculty or of students or of alums or of the taxpayers of California, the idea of admitting the basketball coach's son just to make him happy is going to lose overwhelmingly. You either need to accept that or move on to an organization that is more aligned with your principles
I agree with that EXCEPT - and this is a bit of an interesting debate - UC is an outlier here. As noted above, CSU provides a SIGNIFICANT benefit to faculty/staff kids. Many other schools around the country do. Then lets add on Prop 209 - which means that whereas the Martin's saw their son likely wooed like crazy by other institutions, Cal's hand were tied (for good or ill).

Now I am not saying that Cal should change. But I do think a full debate should acknowledge that when one aligns with Cal's "values" that puts it at odds with most of the rest of higher education.

1. Cal's hands are barely tied by 209. They easily accept applications from socioeconomically disadvantaged students with far lower gpa's and test scores. In fact a big impact of 209 was that changes UC had to make to get around it forced them to factor in economics a lot more. Prior most of Cal's affirmative action admits were wealthy minorities whose disadvantages were questionable. That probably does make it harder to use a diversity policy to admit the kid of a wealthy coach but I would argue that is not what a diversity policy is supposed to be for.

2. I don't much like the policy for CSU, but their slots are not nearly as scarce or valuable as Cal and UCLA.. that makes a big difference.

3. I am fully aware that other academic institutions regularly engage in inappropriate influence in the admissions. As I said, join them if you want. I am confident if we have this debate in the Cal community, the idea of doing this will not come close to winning favor

The college admissions process is a cesspool. Cal should not use the antiquated ethics of other as an excuse to join the cesspool. UC should set an example. If corporations did comparable things to universities they would be massively and publicly fined. Corporations used to do similar things as normal course of business until there was a massive crackdown in that culture. It will come for universities as well. And it should. The days where influence and connections got you spots that should be selected by merit should have ended long ago
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In reply to BearlyCareAnymore • 11:18a, 4/9/21
OaktownBear said:
Shocky1 said:

the monster back in the day repeatedly told mike williams (who remarkably didn't respond to emails from anybody including donors) & ashwin puri (who masterfully lobbied fellow floor seat mate bob melvin for a front office opportunity with the oakland a's) both in person & thru emails that coach martin & his family was gonna leave if their son joshua was not accepted by berkeley admissions...attending every cal home & away game for multiple seasons flying from north scottsdale multiple times a week during the mike montgomery & cuonzo martin years of monster domination, i often sat next to the genuinely authentic roberta martin in the 1st row behind the bench at road games...she told me that their son joshua had a 3.67 gpa & solid test scores but was wait listed for cal...i remember sitting courtside at madison square garden during the bears epic victory vs a shocked hometown syracuse crowd next to the quiet joshua as the thick rimmed glass youngster read a book during much of the game...yeah shocky loved walking onto the venerable msg floor & clapping his hands in victory (lots of dirty looks from oragenmen fans packing up their **** to go home) as my boy sammy singer dribbled out the clock during the final seconds


williams (one of the great myths about him is that he donated his athletic directory salary back to cal, that isn't true) & puri (who didn't have any relationships, kinda like jim knowlton in the last basketball coaching search, he got played by eric musselmen who used the cal interest to negotiate a better deal with nevada's largest donor, a casino magnate, musselmen got zero interest in academic achievement & would've been a horrible fit in berkeley) didn't do anything so i took this issue up with the academic support team but at the end of the day joshua was never accepted by admissions...the red flags were all there then as when discussing recruiting updates with the staff it was clear to me that the recruiting focus was shifting to guys in the midwest which suggested an interest in either the then open illinois or missouri head coaching jobs...i told my friend bishop o'down's lou richie all of this & he encouraged young ivee to sit out of the nit fiasco loss at haas when martin had already accepted the missouri job & was actively working the porter family deal...my missouri sources tell me that joshua is excelling in the classrooms of purdue

the biggest misconception about cal basketball is that coach martin (who played in the nba & was coached by gene keady plus he's a smart guy, he not a dumb azz) didn't understand offensive schemes compared to coach montgomery (which is an unfair comparison vs arguably the greatest strategist the game has ever seen, the bears ability to score after timeouts on schemed in bound plays under mike was ******* unreal)...cuonzo told me & his prospective recruits that as long as they played very physical man to man nba level d, he would let them improvise/free lance nba style on o...that's the sobering reality of today's college recruiting & failure to understand this will result in non nba level players on a roster

let's be real here, elite 5 star mcdonald all american impact future nba players (like ivan, jabari & jaylen who read cal's monster class during their high school days) wanna play in front of 10k+ crowds at a loud haas pavillon as the shockster (attired in a fuchsia, ok maybe purple, villebrequin dress shirt) leads the frenzied hometown crowd in stormin' the floor, running free with reckless abandonment with zero ******* regrets toward the center of the universe


the magic of cal basketball (clothes & censorship is for losers)#



I do not want to remotely criticize a kid who has nothing to do with the situation, especially on hearsay evidence that I have no way to verify. This is a response to you. A 3.67 at PHS coupled with "solid" test scores does not get you within 10 miles of getting accepted at Cal. Further, what you were asking of them was not only unethical and unwise, it is literally illegal. I'm sure he is a decent kid and I'm sure if he applied he was accepted at another UC.

I have no way of knowing whether that influenced Martin's decision as you claim. (I suspect the much higher salary that we were never going to match was the deciding factor) but if he expected automatic entry for all his kids into the school whether or not they are close to matching the academic profile of an admit, he can GTFO. If he was effectively recruiting for Missouri while still our coach, he can GTFO really hard.

Not that I am accepting that any of that is true, but I am saying that anyone who cites this fact pattern at Cal that needs to be changed needs to find someone else to root for. We are a public university serving the people of California, not a basketball team with a university attached. I guarantee if you put it to a vote of faculty or of students or of alums or of the taxpayers of California, the idea of admitting the basketball coach's son just to make him happy is going to lose overwhelmingly. You either need to accept that or move on to an organization that is more aligned with your principles


How did Jeff Tedford's son (or was it son's) get into Cal?
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In reply to BearlyCareAnymore • 11:54a, 4/9/21
OaktownBear said:
socaltownie said:
OaktownBear said:
Shocky1 said:

the monster back in the day repeatedly told mike williams (who remarkably didn't respond to emails from anybody including donors) & ashwin puri (who masterfully lobbied fellow floor seat mate bob melvin for a front office opportunity with the oakland a's) both in person & thru emails that coach martin & his family was gonna leave if their son joshua was not accepted by berkeley admissions...attending every cal home & away game for multiple seasons flying from north scottsdale multiple times a week during the mike montgomery & cuonzo martin years of monster domination, i often sat next to the genuinely authentic roberta martin in the 1st row behind the bench at road games...she told me that their son joshua had a 3.67 gpa & solid test scores but was wait listed for cal...i remember sitting courtside at madison square garden during the bears epic victory vs a shocked hometown syracuse crowd next to the quiet joshua as the thick rimmed glass youngster read a book during much of the game...yeah shocky loved walking onto the venerable msg floor & clapping his hands in victory (lots of dirty looks from oragenmen fans packing up their **** to go home) as my boy sammy singer dribbled out the clock during the final seconds


williams (one of the great myths about him is that he donated his athletic directory salary back to cal, that isn't true) & puri (who didn't have any relationships, kinda like jim knowlton in the last basketball coaching search, he got played by eric musselmen who used the cal interest to negotiate a better deal with nevada's largest donor, a casino magnate, musselmen got zero interest in academic achievement & would've been a horrible fit in berkeley) didn't do anything so i took this issue up with the academic support team but at the end of the day joshua was never accepted by admissions...the red flags were all there then as when discussing recruiting updates with the staff it was clear to me that the recruiting focus was shifting to guys in the midwest which suggested an interest in either the then open illinois or missouri head coaching jobs...i told my friend bishop o'down's lou richie all of this & he encouraged young ivee to sit out of the nit fiasco loss at haas when martin had already accepted the missouri job & was actively working the porter family deal...my missouri sources tell me that joshua is excelling in the classrooms of purdue

the biggest misconception about cal basketball is that coach martin (who played in the nba & was coached by gene keady plus he's a smart guy, he not a dumb azz) didn't understand offensive schemes compared to coach montgomery (which is an unfair comparison vs arguably the greatest strategist the game has ever seen, the bears ability to score after timeouts on schemed in bound plays under mike was ******* unreal)...cuonzo told me & his prospective recruits that as long as they played very physical man to man nba level d, he would let them improvise/free lance nba style on o...that's the sobering reality of today's college recruiting & failure to understand this will result in non nba level players on a roster

let's be real here, elite 5 star mcdonald all american impact future nba players (like ivan, jabari & jaylen who read cal's monster class during their high school days) wanna play in front of 10k+ crowds at a loud haas pavillon as the shockster (attired in a fuchsia, ok maybe purple, villebrequin dress shirt) leads the frenzied hometown crowd in stormin' the floor, running free with reckless abandonment with zero ******* regrets toward the center of the universe


the magic of cal basketball (clothes & censorship is for losers)#



I do not want to remotely criticize a kid who has nothing to do with the situation, especially on hearsay evidence that I have no way to verify. This is a response to you. A 3.67 at PHS coupled with "solid" test scores does not get you within 10 miles of getting accepted at Cal. Further, what you were asking of them was not only unethical and unwise, it is literally illegal. I'm sure he is a decent kid and I'm sure if he applied he was accepted at another UC.

I have no way of knowing whether that influenced Martin's decision as you claim. (I suspect the much higher salary that we were never going to match was the deciding factor) but if he expected automatic entry for all his kids into the school whether or not they are close to matching the academic profile of an admit, he can GTFO. If he was effectively recruiting for Missouri while still our coach, he can GTFO really hard.

Not that I am accepting that any of that is true, but I am saying that anyone who cites this fact pattern at Cal that needs to be changed needs to find someone else to root for. We are a public university serving the people of California, not a basketball team with a university attached. I guarantee if you put it to a vote of faculty or of students or of alums or of the taxpayers of California, the idea of admitting the basketball coach's son just to make him happy is going to lose overwhelmingly. You either need to accept that or move on to an organization that is more aligned with your principles
I agree with that EXCEPT - and this is a bit of an interesting debate - UC is an outlier here. As noted above, CSU provides a SIGNIFICANT benefit to faculty/staff kids. Many other schools around the country do. Then lets add on Prop 209 - which means that whereas the Martin's saw their son likely wooed like crazy by other institutions, Cal's hand were tied (for good or ill).

Now I am not saying that Cal should change. But I do think a full debate should acknowledge that when one aligns with Cal's "values" that puts it at odds with most of the rest of higher education.

1. Cal's hands are barely tied by 209. They easily accept applications from socioeconomically disadvantaged students with far lower gpa's and test scores. In fact a big impact of 209 was that changes UC had to make to get around it forced them to factor in economics a lot more. Prior most of Cal's affirmative action admits were wealthy minorities whose disadvantages were questionable. That probably does make it harder to use a diversity policy to admit the kid of a wealthy coach but I would argue that is not what a diversity policy is supposed to be for.

2. I don't much like the policy for CSU, but their slots are not nearly as scarce or valuable as Cal and UCLA.. that makes a big difference.

3. I am fully aware that other academic institutions regularly engage in inappropriate influence in the admissions. As I said, join them if you want. I am confident if we have this debate in the Cal community, the idea of doing this will not come close to winning favor

The college admissions process is a cesspool. Cal should not use the antiquated ethics of other as an excuse to join the cesspool. UC should set an example. If corporations did comparable things to universities they would be massively and publicly fined. Corporations used to do similar things as normal course of business until there was a massive crackdown in that culture. It will come for universities as well. And it should. The days where influence and connections got you spots that should be selected by merit should have ended long ago
Preferred admissions (and not just for athletics) is a way of life in private school, and as Harvard can tell you ,has passed legal muster in the federal courts. Just look at the children of US politicians. faculty, large donors, royalty, celebs, and on and on. Or you could look at Cal when DiFi's husband calls (Google it) or Chancellor special admissions. Also there is not anything in the holistic approach that Cal takes that says they can't consider relationships (see Jeff Tedford's children). For example, that wonderful GPA might not be a high class standing in many privileged high schools these days, particularly after AP is added. Ninety-eight percent of students accepted to Cal placed in the top ten percent of their high school graduating classes. In those days there were also test scores. It may be that when all was said and done, the relationship still didn't justify admissions, given all the other criteria.

I doubt Cal was going to hold CM given the money is home town school threw at him. The problem lies with selection of his successor IMO. This seems like an academic exercise. The issue is what you do now with the program.

Best to Shocky. Quite the character in the flesh, and meant in a good way.
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In reply to socaltownie • 12:04p, 4/9/21
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Fuchsia would be distracting ...
Somewhere in the internet is The Fall pardoy I made for shocky1. I can no longer find it but I LOVED that clip.
Check your youtube account, which revealed your identity at the time, lol.
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In reply to Big C • 12:06p, 4/9/21
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Like him or not (and I am among the former), what around Cal Basketball the past several months has been more exciting than even a brief return of the Shockster?

Well, Bradley's Amazing Block, for sure.
Can you send me a clip of that?
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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OaktownBear said:
socaltownie said:
OaktownBear said:
Shocky1 said:

the monster back in the day repeatedly told mike williams (who remarkably didn't respond to emails from anybody including donors) & ashwin puri (who masterfully lobbied fellow floor seat mate bob melvin for a front office opportunity with the oakland a's) both in person & thru emails that coach martin & his family was gonna leave if their son joshua was not accepted by berkeley admissions...attending every cal home & away game for multiple seasons flying from north scottsdale multiple times a week during the mike montgomery & cuonzo martin years of monster domination, i often sat next to the genuinely authentic roberta martin in the 1st row behind the bench at road games...she told me that their son joshua had a 3.67 gpa & solid test scores but was wait listed for cal...i remember sitting courtside at madison square garden during the bears epic victory vs a shocked hometown syracuse crowd next to the quiet joshua as the thick rimmed glass youngster read a book during much of the game...yeah shocky loved walking onto the venerable msg floor & clapping his hands in victory (lots of dirty looks from oragenmen fans packing up their **** to go home) as my boy sammy singer dribbled out the clock during the final seconds


williams (one of the great myths about him is that he donated his athletic directory salary back to cal, that isn't true) & puri (who didn't have any relationships, kinda like jim knowlton in the last basketball coaching search, he got played by eric musselmen who used the cal interest to negotiate a better deal with nevada's largest donor, a casino magnate, musselmen got zero interest in academic achievement & would've been a horrible fit in berkeley) didn't do anything so i took this issue up with the academic support team but at the end of the day joshua was never accepted by admissions...the red flags were all there then as when discussing recruiting updates with the staff it was clear to me that the recruiting focus was shifting to guys in the midwest which suggested an interest in either the then open illinois or missouri head coaching jobs...i told my friend bishop o'down's lou richie all of this & he encouraged young ivee to sit out of the nit fiasco loss at haas when martin had already accepted the missouri job & was actively working the porter family deal...my missouri sources tell me that joshua is excelling in the classrooms of purdue

the biggest misconception about cal basketball is that coach martin (who played in the nba & was coached by gene keady plus he's a smart guy, he not a dumb azz) didn't understand offensive schemes compared to coach montgomery (which is an unfair comparison vs arguably the greatest strategist the game has ever seen, the bears ability to score after timeouts on schemed in bound plays under mike was ******* unreal)...cuonzo told me & his prospective recruits that as long as they played very physical man to man nba level d, he would let them improvise/free lance nba style on o...that's the sobering reality of today's college recruiting & failure to understand this will result in non nba level players on a roster

let's be real here, elite 5 star mcdonald all american impact future nba players (like ivan, jabari & jaylen who read cal's monster class during their high school days) wanna play in front of 10k+ crowds at a loud haas pavillon as the shockster (attired in a fuchsia, ok maybe purple, villebrequin dress shirt) leads the frenzied hometown crowd in stormin' the floor, running free with reckless abandonment with zero ******* regrets toward the center of the universe


the magic of cal basketball (clothes & censorship is for losers)#



I do not want to remotely criticize a kid who has nothing to do with the situation, especially on hearsay evidence that I have no way to verify. This is a response to you. A 3.67 at PHS coupled with "solid" test scores does not get you within 10 miles of getting accepted at Cal. Further, what you were asking of them was not only unethical and unwise, it is literally illegal. I'm sure he is a decent kid and I'm sure if he applied he was accepted at another UC.

I have no way of knowing whether that influenced Martin's decision as you claim. (I suspect the much higher salary that we were never going to match was the deciding factor) but if he expected automatic entry for all his kids into the school whether or not they are close to matching the academic profile of an admit, he can GTFO. If he was effectively recruiting for Missouri while still our coach, he can GTFO really hard.

Not that I am accepting that any of that is true, but I am saying that anyone who cites this fact pattern at Cal that needs to be changed needs to find someone else to root for. We are a public university serving the people of California, not a basketball team with a university attached. I guarantee if you put it to a vote of faculty or of students or of alums or of the taxpayers of California, the idea of admitting the basketball coach's son just to make him happy is going to lose overwhelmingly. You either need to accept that or move on to an organization that is more aligned with your principles
I agree with that EXCEPT - and this is a bit of an interesting debate - UC is an outlier here. As noted above, CSU provides a SIGNIFICANT benefit to faculty/staff kids. Many other schools around the country do. Then lets add on Prop 209 - which means that whereas the Martin's saw their son likely wooed like crazy by other institutions, Cal's hand were tied (for good or ill).

Now I am not saying that Cal should change. But I do think a full debate should acknowledge that when one aligns with Cal's "values" that puts it at odds with most of the rest of higher education.

1. Cal's hands are barely tied by 209. They easily accept applications from socioeconomically disadvantaged students with far lower gpa's and test scores. In fact a big impact of 209 was that changes UC had to make to get around it forced them to factor in economics a lot more. Prior most of Cal's affirmative action admits were wealthy minorities whose disadvantages were questionable. That probably does make it harder to use a diversity policy to admit the kid of a wealthy coach but I would argue that is not what a diversity policy is supposed to be for.

2. I don't much like the policy for CSU, but their slots are not nearly as scarce or valuable as Cal and UCLA.. that makes a big difference.

3. I am fully aware that other academic institutions regularly engage in inappropriate influence in the admissions. As I said, join them if you want. I am confident if we have this debate in the Cal community, the idea of doing this will not come close to winning favor

The college admissions process is a cesspool. Cal should not use the antiquated ethics of other as an excuse to join the cesspool. UC should set an example. If corporations did comparable things to universities they would be massively and publicly fined. Corporations used to do similar things as normal course of business until there was a massive crackdown in that culture. It will come for universities as well. And it should. The days where influence and connections got you spots that should be selected by merit should have ended long ago
Preferred admissions (and not just for athletics) is a way of life in private school, and as Harvard can tell you ,has passed legal muster in the federal courts. Just look at the children of US politicians. faculty, large donors, royalty, celebs, and on and on. Or you could look at Cal when DiFi's husband calls (Google it) or Chancellor special admissions. Also there is not anything in the holistic approach that Cal takes that says they can't consider relationships (see Jeff Tedford's children). For example, that wonderful GPA might not be a high class standing in many privileged high schools these days, particularly after AP is added. Ninety-eight percent of students accepted to Cal placed in the top ten percent of their high school graduating classes. In those days there were also test scores. It may be that when all was said and done, the relationship still didn't justify admissions, given all the other criteria.

I doubt Cal was going to hold CM given the money is home town school threw at him. The problem lies with selection of his successor IMO. This seems like an academic exercise. The issue is what you do now with the program.

Best to Shocky. Quite the character in the flesh, and meant in a good way.
Harvard's admissions are a disgrace. The top of their class is made up of the best and the brightest. The bottom is made up of a bunch of over privileged morons who pay to freeload off the reputation of the top.

It passes legal muster now. As did a lot of corrupt corporate practices until laws were passed

Tedford used a preferred walk on slot.

DiFi's husband broke the law. The fact that he is uber wealthy and get away with it doesn't make it right. I think the public response to that should indicate that the public doesn't want that type of deal.

I think if you asked most people they would wish that institutions don't work this way. They just can't stop it. Harvard is private. Cal is not.

On that GPA. Let's be clear. A 3.67 UC GPA at an affluent high school is not a good Gpa. for those that are 50 like me, that is probably like a 3.1 or 3.2 in our day and I am being generous. First you have grade inflation. Such that about half of all high school grades are A's. In affluent schools it is higher. My kids generally score 98-100% (sometimes higher than 100%) in classes where you need an 89.5% to get an A. With weighted classes,that 3.67 equates to 8 A's and 16 B's. That is not even approaching top 50% of the class let alone top 10% in an affluent high school. As I said, I don't accept that number as real for Martin's kid, but the argument is being made that Cal should accept a kid with that GPA which I'd bet puts him bottom third, from an affluent high school with all those advantages. There is no freaking way that kid is qualified.
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Understood, but if Tedford's son was a 'preferred walk-on', then 3.67 has to be good enough for that, no? Or did the kid not play Bball? Just seems like there was a side door he could have slipped in through. Which makes me think maybe that was not really the issue.
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In reply to BearlyCareAnymore • 4:51p, 4/9/21
"Harvard's admissions are a disgrace. The top of their class is made up of the best and the brightest. The bottom is made up of a bunch of over privileged morons who pay to freeload off the reputation of the top."

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5:29p, 4/9/21

If Cuonzo's son not being admitted to Cal was really a factor in his departure, he had great cover for it, because to me, it looked like he took another job that...

+ paid a fair amount more
+ was much closer to "home"
+ looked to be far less likely to jerk him around on multiple issues and had less impediments to winning
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In reply to Go!Bears • 9:31p, 4/9/21
Go!Bears said:
Understood, but if Tedford's son was a 'preferred walk-on', then 3.67 has to be good enough for that, no? Or did the kid not play Bball? Just seems like there was a side door he could have slipped in through. Which makes me think maybe that was not really the issue.
1. I don't know if the 3.67 is good enough for a preferred walk-in. (Not saying it is or isn't, but preferred walkons usually have good grades.)

2. He wasn't designated a preferred walkon. I think he didn't play, but in any case he wasn't a walkon.
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In reply to Big C • 9:37p, 4/9/21
Big C said:

If Cuonzo's son not being admitted to Cal was really a factor in his departure, he had great cover for it, because to me, it looked like he took another job that...

+ paid a fair amount more
+ was much closer to "home"
+ looked to be far less likely to jerk him around on multiple issues and had less impediments to winning
It became clear that Martin and Cal admin had no conversation about recruiting restrictions before he took the job. That is certainly initially Cal's fault, but at some point you also have to blame Martin for not adjusting and continuing to recruit players that wouldn't pass admissions.
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In reply to BearlyCareAnymore • 12:47a, 4/10/21
OaktownBear said:
Big C said:

If Cuonzo's son not being admitted to Cal was really a factor in his departure, he had great cover for it, because to me, it looked like he took another job that...

+ paid a fair amount more
+ was much closer to "home"
+ looked to be far less likely to jerk him around on multiple issues and had less impediments to winning
It became clear that Martin and Cal admin had no conversation about recruiting restrictions before he took the job. That is certainly initially Cal's fault, but at some point you also have to blame Martin for not adjusting and continuing to recruit players that wouldn't pass admissions.
Cal "jerked Cuonzo Martin around" when they...
- didn't finalize his contract for ages
- didn't stick up for him right away when Yanni got in trouble
- didn't even have a court for the team to practice on on some occasions

Maybe all those things were part of the bureaucratic mess that is Cal, but I can sure understand why Martin may have felt like he wasn't being treated well.
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taylor: graduating from asu next yr with a focus upon sustainability, has traveled to 25+ countries mostly with her crazy azz dad in his continued quest to play the world top 100 golf courses, it's true curvy brunette yoga females from academically mediocre schools wanna date & marry cal, stanford & ivy league grads

brenden glapion: graduated from boalt, making coin in the city with a firm specializing in high tech starts up with an apartment around the corner, got a gf from bishop o'dowd/san diego state, aspiring golfer who gotta get left handed clubs

cole welle: my favorite surfer dude is playing pro ball in sweden (or one of them nordic track countries), still awaiting his cal gameday promotion bobblehead of himself with a curvy brunette yoga female from the shockster, yeah it's in the mail https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/11616/282

nick hamilton: "the smartest bear of them all" is a rising star in the college coaching ranks, the usc director of scouting was the 1st person (literally) to reach out to matt bradley (yeah the monster knew he was gonna transfer before anyone on the current staff), yeah ibelivenyou

grant mullins: "the wolf of wall street" is working in venture capital in the city, unlike coach martin he got good hair, got major golfing upside/skills if he can avoid them ex cops with black soap

sam singer: played pro ball in israel, moved back to the bay & is now working in commercial real estate in miami, the shockster is still awaiting an invitation to joe's stone crabs from his boy sammy, above average golfer but nothing to write home about

kameron rooks: alicia keys biggest fan & a chronic sponge bob square pants addict, kam is truly a gentle giant & is still playing pro ball overseas, sis khalya started for the washington huskies wbb last season

kingsley okoroh: sent me an update this week, the king is playing pro ball in london still doing "the dirty work in the paint" & when the ball stops bouncing wants to move back to either arizona or the bay area in the future to work in it (if you got any suggestions on a career in it plz send me a pm that can be forwarded to him)....yeah "its goooood to be the kinggggg"

jordan mathews: j mat is playing pro ball in italy with all the perks including free wheels & an apartment overlooking the nightlife, a shame that the family feud with coach martin couldn't have been worked out which cost the bears his sharpshooting bro jonah who became a trojan, creasy has stated that if marcus lee would've originally signed with cal (instead of kentucky at his bro's bryan's misguided counsel), then aaron gordon would've passed on the donut boy of tucson's oakland soldiers $$$$$$ & been a bear too (leading a probable multiple year final four team in berkeley)

roger moute a bidias: taylor & her dad loved watching/dining afterwards with roger when he played for the toronto raptors g league team with a nba level 3 point moneyball, played last for the golden state warriors g league in santa cruz & was told he's getting closer to becoming a nba guy, living in la at his bro's luc's beachside nba crib & wants to tee it up with the shockster, better bring some dollahs to the riv

tyrone wallace: t-wall has already made several million in the nba, sharing with his moms & his curvy brunette yoga female ms alcantar, currently playing for the la clippers g league team with a 16.5 ppg & recent games of 25 & 28 points...he still can't believe the shockster told him back in the day that his future/"road to the nba" was gonna be with the clips, guess t-wall kinda owe me 50 cent or something https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/11616/236

jabari bird: jabari is back in the bay working out with seth curry's trainer, still awaiting sentencing for his horrific boston charges which is holding back his nba hoop dreams, once firmly on the brink of getting minted on the celtics squad along with jaylen the bird man's mental changed when his parents got divorced, got nothing but love for the bird man

ivan rabb: young ivee has already made almost 2 million in the nba, recently moved to antioch & very proud of his bro tamarik recently graduating from haas biz ad like the shockster, currently playing for the philadelphia 76ers g league averaging 5.3 ppg & an impressive 5.7 rpg, the day he committed to cal was a moment burned forever (and evah with diamonds in the sky) in the monster's limited brain capacity mind, on the other hand, young ivee thx to his moms tami & mentor/community activist lou richie is mentally limitless

jaylen brown: still loves to converse about yoga, jb's recent contract extension with the boston celtics was for 4 years & 107 million, among his many under the table offers during his high school recruiting included 200k from georgia, is very actively "dating" & still co producing with his home town boyz the tribe akashic: https://soundcloud.com/the-tribe-akashic/keep-me-company-feat-master-wendu-tae-haru

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9:22a, 4/11/21
Eff off, loser. Have you realized yet why most adults wear socks with their shoes? It's because your feet stink if you don't.

By the way, in case you didn't notice, the Mods specifically asked that this thread be closed. Pretty disrespectful for you to show up here again.
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11:42a, 4/11/21
lol he wasnt the one who bumped it. I enjoy Shocky's posts, and watching his antics from high up in the cheap seats.
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I did. It seems gone
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In reply to Chapman_is_Gone • 5:25p, 4/11/21
Chapman_is_Gone said:
Eff off, loser. Have you realized yet why most adults wear socks with their shoes? It's because your feet stink if you don't.

By the way, in case you didn't notice, the Mods specifically asked that this thread be closed. Pretty disrespectful for you to show up here again.

Chapman_is_Gone: Lackey for the Mods since 2008 (if not before)! Never fails to make me laugh. I am a fan.
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6:55p, 4/11/21
Personally, I am glad this is back. A lot has happened for me since 2016-dam evacuations, fires, multiple job changes, political chaos, racial chaos, virus chaos. I am far more cynical and grumpy than I was 5 years ago. It's nice to be reminded that I had a fun, entertaining outlet like Cal basketball and this thread. The thread was, at its core, hopeful, boisterous, enthusiastic - as Shocky is in person. He made some of my most memorable Cal moments possible and happen. I got on the floor with players after the game because of him, got to sit courtside and marvel at Kam's height, at Jaylen's athleticism and Ivan's skills. And if I had t caught him after one particular game, I would have had to walk the 20 blocks back to my car. Cal was full of promise as a program and the spirit of Shocky helped liven up the floor and these boards. It's been boring since- both in Haas and here.

I'm going to take his return as an omen. Maybe Fox can pull something together, probably not, but at least I can dream of a Monster Class coming that will bring back even a modicum of interest in Cal basketball.
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In reply to Chapman_is_Gone • 8:49p, 4/11/21
Not fair. Long live the Shockster
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In reply to Chapman_is_Gone • 9:20p, 4/11/21
The program is dying a slow death and it's nice to wax nostalgic about better times every now and then. That barely anyone cares about Cal hoops anymore is probably exactly what YOU wanted.

Chapman_is_Gone said:
Eff off, loser. Have you realized yet why most adults wear socks with their shoes? It's because your feet stink if you don't.

By the way, in case you didn't notice, the Mods specifically asked that this thread be closed. Pretty disrespectful for you to show up here again.
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In reply to Shocky1 • 6:41a, 4/12/21
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jaylen brown: still loves to converse about yoga, jb's recent contract extension with the boston celtics was for 4 years & 107 million, among his many under the table offers during his high school recruiting included 200k from georgia, is very actively "dating" & still co producing with his home town boyz the tribe akashic: https://soundcloud.com/the-tribe-akashic/keep-me-company-feat-master-wendu-tae-haru


That's quite an accusation against UGA, who had Fox at the helm at the time.
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In reply to PtownBear1 • 12:00p, 4/12/21
Exactly what I was thinking...but it's the SEC, so not surprising at all, really. Just part of the culture there.

PtownBear1 said:
Shocky1 said:

jaylen brown: still loves to converse about yoga, jb's recent contract extension with the boston celtics was for 4 years & 107 million, among his many under the table offers during his high school recruiting included 200k from georgia, is very actively "dating" & still co producing with his home town boyz the tribe akashic: https://soundcloud.com/the-tribe-akashic/keep-me-company-feat-master-wendu-tae-haru


That's quite an accusation against UGA, who had Fox at the helm at the time.
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In reply to PtownBear1 • 2:01p, 4/12/21
PtownBear1 said:
Shocky1 said:

jaylen brown: still loves to converse about yoga, jb's recent contract extension with the boston celtics was for 4 years & 107 million, among his many under the table offers during his high school recruiting included 200k from georgia, is very actively "dating" & still co producing with his home town boyz the tribe akashic: https://soundcloud.com/the-tribe-akashic/keep-me-company-feat-master-wendu-tae-haru


That's quite an accusation against UGA, who had Fox at the helm at the time.
Take much of what Shock says with a huge grain of salt. Not the golf. Hes got pictures. But the rest....hmmmm.....
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In reply to socaltownie • 8:39p, 4/13/21
monster numbers:

cal's monster class:https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/11616 2,836,643 current views
cal's monster class deux: https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/28431/1 1,243,767 current views

that's over 4 million views making it the most read thread in the history of college basketball, got it?

since there are only around 29 posters/fans on this board these days, who's really reading the monster?...that would be a much more diverse & significantly younger readership including high school & college players & their friend/families/coaches, exactly the targeted segment that cal basketball needs to connect with in the future to sell out haas & create internal/external energy...and yeah they do not post on this board, censorship is for losers

can you name one example when the monster has stated something that is not true?



don't be so stupid (fact checking matters)#



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In reply to Shocky1 • 8:44p, 4/13/21
Shocky1 said:
monster numbers:

cal's monster class:https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/11616 2,836,643 current views
cal's monster class deus: https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/28431/1 1,243,767 current views

that's over 4 million views making it the most read thread in the history of college basketball, got it?

since there are only around 29 posters/fans on this board these days, who's really reading the monster?...that would be a much more diverse & significantly younger readership including high school & college players & their families/coaches, exactly the targeted segment that cal basketball needs to connect with in the future to sell out haas & create internal/external energy...and yeah they do not post on this board, censorship is for losers

can you name one example when the monster has stated something that is not true?



don't be so stupid (fact checking matters)#




I don't know if EVERYTHING the monster stated was true and I don't really care.

There was a lot of good TRUE info and, at least as important, some fun and excitement (which is sadly missing these days from California Basketball).
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Now is our winter of discontent made glorious summer by this Shocky1, son of Cal.

just for the record it's never winter here in north scottsdale, that's why 100+ pga pros including max homa (the king of funny azz **** talking twitter, $2.6m season earnings), brandon hagy (the next cal bear who will win a pga tournament, the new dc ranch dad is now mentally stronger, taylor & i walked with him during the monday qualifier at mccormick ranch when he shot a 66 but missed the playoff by a stroke for the playoff & the 3 tournament spots at the phx open, finished 2nd recently at the honda classic at -7 earning $700k+, one of the top 10 longest drivers of the ball on tour), james hahn (great year 64th in fed ex standings currently recovering at his greyhawk home from a wrist injury) & kk limbhaust (trying to move up to the pga tour from the korn ferry) live here & play at whisper rock, estancia, silverleaf, desert forest & tpc scottdale & will not be surprised if colin morikowa (the best iron player on planet earth, $2.7m season earnings) makes the move from the summit club in las vegas (a vapid cartball fazio design on a windy site, only plus is nevada's zero state income tax if your cheap as **** like wyking) next...and yeah all these guys are not dumb azzs (they are all grads of the haas biz school like the shockster except max but that's ok because lacey holds his hands & makes sure he takes the right blue & gold short bus to the rock every morning), they read cal's monster class but not sure about them rescue dogs or something

tell your friends i never wanna see them again, tucson is a ******* dump



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In reply to Fyght4Cal • 9:25p, 4/13/21
Fyght4Cal said:
EL OH EL

hope you not an elementary school teacher or something, binge drinking (sorry paula but u ugly) is not a good look (unless ur doing the hang with a curvy brunette yoga female with a flat stomach)

yeah we're all ******* black beetles, we came in thru the side door, release the cash, haters mad for whatever reason

don't be a dumb azz (spelling/punctuation is for crowd pleasers)#



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In reply to Big C • 12:05a, 4/14/21
Big C said:
Shocky1 said:
monster numbers:

cal's monster class:https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/11616 2,836,643 current views
cal's monster class deus: https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/28431/1 1,243,767 current views

that's over 4 million views making it the most read thread in the history of college basketball, got it?

since there are only around 29 posters/fans on this board these days, who's really reading the monster?...that would be a much more diverse & significantly younger readership including high school & college players & their families/coaches, exactly the targeted segment that cal basketball needs to connect with in the future to sell out haas & create internal/external energy...and yeah they do not post on this board, censorship is for losers

can you name one example when the monster has stated something that is not true?



don't be so stupid (fact checking matters)#




I don't know if EVERYTHING the monster stated was true and I don't really care.

There was a lot of good TRUE info and, at least as important, some fun and excitement (which is sadly missing these days from California Basketball).


Agreed Big C

Welcome back Shocky
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In reply to Shocky1 • 5:51a, 4/14/21
Shocky1 said:
monster numbers:

cal's monster class:https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/11616 2,836,643 current views
cal's monster class deux: https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/28431/1 1,243,767 current views

that's over 4 million views making it the most read thread in the history of college basketball, got it?

since there are only around 29 posters/fans on this board these days, who's really reading the monster?...that would be a much more diverse & significantly younger readership including high school & college players & their friend/families/coaches, exactly the targeted segment that cal basketball needs to connect with in the future to sell out haas & create internal/external energy...and yeah they do not post on this board, censorship is for losers

can you name one example when the monster has stated something that is not true?



don't be so stupid (fact checking matters)#





You know I love you but essentially Jalen copped to either he or his family engaging in a massive tax fraued (I am SURE that income was.on the 1040 on line 3). If he told you that i find it probably in poor form you put it on a page with 2 million views #irsneedsitssugar
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6:23a, 4/14/21
reading comprehension 101: both ivan & jaylen (who were both readers of cal's monster class during their high school recruitments) had a significant # of under the table offers including brown's 200k from georgia but guess what?...neither one of them accepted any of these illegal offers (which is tax fraud as you point out), they both fell into the cali sunlight clean as ****

neither one of them got **** by coming to berkeley other the promise of an education at the #1 ranked public university in the world, that's how the magic of cal basketball works...the only thing that was a little bit edgy was coach martin offering bishop o'dowd's lou richie an assistant coaching position which is legal under the ncca regulations...lou told me he did not feel comfortable in accepting the job as he thought it was a conflict of interest, then coach martin pivoted to yanni...cuonzo later made this strategy work with the porter family in missouri, the porter deal potentially could've happened in berkeley if roberta wasn't so adamant on leaving the bay after joshua wasn't accepted by admissions

how clean/ethical is coach martin?...5 star mcconalds all american caleb "biggie" swanigan (also a reader of cal's monster class, a 1st round nba draft choice out of purdue, currently signed to a 3 year $5.2m guaranteed contract with the portland trail blazers) made his official visit during young ivee's visit & wanted to join ivan & jaylen as golden bears which would've been a legit final 4 potential team with t-wall, the bird & j mat...unfortunately caleb (who was adopted) could not get letter of intent signature approval from his dad/guardian who told cuonzo that he would only let his son go west if he would pay for all his travel expenses from the midwest to every game...coach martin passed on that deal

got it?



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