tsubamoto2001;842199631 said:

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Sorry, but that's BS. Devon was a stud in HS (averaged nearly a triple double at Newark Memorial) and was far ahead of where Diallo currently is at a similar stage. I don't understand the flak he gets from some on this board. He didn't do anything to embarrass the program. He just simply didn't develop into the player many felt he could be.

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That is a projection. Hardin was not very good at Cal. It is nothing personal. I think Diallo will be.

Sluggo

Optimistic Bear;842199563 said:

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This is the greatest thread of all time.

Shocky, question, what happened recently with UCLA and Welsh that has them so nervous he might still come to Cal or even maybe Colorado?

Cal is going to be top 15 this year I can feel it.

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is tw interested in going away to college or does he want to stay home in la?

can tw envision his potential role in alford's 5 wild wings offense with no pg?

in watching ucla's practices, does he really think bryce alford is a legit d1 pg?

do the ucla players truly like each other in the same way that the cal bb players have bonded with one another as a family?

how deep is tw's trust & respect for gregg gottlieb, the 1st coach from a bigtime program to offer & encourage his continued development?

how important is monty's track record of developing big men with his 2 post offensive scheme that is run thru the bigs?

is it acceptable to the welsh family that it is a documented fact that alford protected/enabled a convicted rapist in order to win a few more games and then offered an insincere forced apology (as required by a besieged ucla ad) more than a decade later?

is tw comfortable that cal bb's coaching staff will be in good hands, travis decuire most likely, should monty step down sometime in the future? (it should be noted that montgomery has never indicated any indication he plans to retire, that myth is perpetuated by competing coaches that have been repeatedly clownpunked by monty's xxx's & ooo's)

does thomas really want to study economics (ucla & stanford do not offer an undergraduate biz major) or does he want to potentially earn his degree at the #2 nationally ranked haas business school thereby saving him the expense & time of completing a cal, stanford or ivy league mba program down the road?


50 yr decision#

Shocky1;842199648

is tw comfortable that cal bb's coaching staff will be in good hands, travis decuire most likely, should monty step down sometime in the future? (it should be noted that montgomery has never indicated any indication he plans to retire, that myth is perpetuated by competing coaches that have been repeatedly clownpunked by monty's xxx's & ooo's)




50 yr decision#[/QUOTE said:

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In a press conference last year when asked about retirement, before the questioner could finish the sentence, Monty said he would coach till 81!

With Monty's verve and energy and almost unmatched ability to orchestrate a team, he consistently gets the most from his players (3 Pac-10/12 Players of the Year in the last 4 years). Clearly those in the know (Sean Rooks, father of Kameron and former NBA player for about a decade, and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, of the Sacramento Kings and older brother of Roger) understand the great opportunity it is for an aspiring basketballer to play under and learn from Monty.

Go Bears!

One of the reasons why the Moute and Rooks signings a BIG deal - NBA'ers have a pretty good understanding of which coach in the Pac-12 (and possibly the nation) is the best at helping coach up talent. Slick Rick may be great for SHOWCASING that talent but Monty is a monster at coaching up.

As will be evidenced when Jorge makes a roster this season.

(Yes, I am fully engaged in my pre-season sunshine pumping mode. ;-)

socaltownie;842199884 said:

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One of the reasons why the Moute and Rooks signings a BIG deal - NBA'ers have a pretty good understanding of which coach in the Pac-12 (and possibly the nation) is the best at helping coach up talent. Slick Rick may be great for SHOWCASING that talent but Monty is a monster at coaching up.

As will be evidenced when Jorge makes a roster this season.

(Yes, I am fully engaged in my pre-season sunshine pumping mode. ;-)

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Who is Slick Rick? Pitino? I thought it was Slimy Sean (in the PAC12 at least) as king of showcasing.

sluggo_Cal;842199642 said:

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That is a projection. Hardin was not very good at Cal. It is nothing personal. I think Diallo will be.

Sluggo

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On what basis? Have you seen any more of Diallo play than you had seen of Hardin prior to either of them playing at the college level?

I couldn't tell you how good or not good Diallo might be, but the general tone I've gotten from looking at his recruitment is that he is more of a Plan B guy for Pac 12 level schools and that he has a lot to work on to develop his game for the college level.

Intermezzo;842199924 said:

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On what basis? Have you seen any more of Diallo play than you had seen of Hardin prior to either of them playing at the college level?

I couldn't tell you how good or not good Diallo might be, but the general tone I've gotten from looking at his recruitment is that he is more of a Plan B guy for Pac 12 level schools and that he has a lot to work on to develop his game for the college level.

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inaccurate assessment (never a good idea to talk out your azz, intermezzo)

diallo has actionable offers from cal, ucla, usc, colorado & oregon, the upper tier of the pac 12 (excluding arizona)

idrissa diallo with his still not fully developed skills (due to growing up in senegal focusing upon soccer like his dad) but 4/5 star talent/athleticisim is considered one of the elite blue chip bigs on the west coast by major bb programs & their coaching staffs

smokeyrover;842132178 said:

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I think of Hardin too, though in the tiny amount of vid available it is evident (and underscored in comments by his NBA All Star coach at the NBATop-100 camp) that his face up shooting mechanics are far better than Hardin's ever were.

edit: Oh and Shocky, Diallo's HS coach is William Middlebrooks.

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left to right, gregg gottlieb, travis decuire, william middlebrooks & mike montgomery

coach middlebrooks will be accompanying idy & his parents during diallo's official visit

mentors matter#

Shocky1;842200012 said:

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inaccurate assessment (never a good idea to talk out your azz, intermezzo)

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Coming from someone who has been talking to himself for 100 pages just because he likes the attention, I'm not too concerned about what you think of my intrepretation of what the coverage of Diallo is.

Congrats on the 100 pages, by the way. Quite a monumental feat!

Shocky1;842194785 said:

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:gobears:

"when i think about stopping, i also think of how my mother hasn't stopped"

one love#
unbreakable#

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"if you have a good support system, then you can do anything...senior year is really teaching me how to grow up...i love it"

-ar

the grind#
unbreakable#

Shocky1;842195971 said:

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last weekend sacramento's grant hs cameron oliver & his dad doyle made their 1st official visit, a fun & informative trip to cal

oliver is 6'8", 205 lbs with the frame to add another 20-30 lbs of muscle & missed his jr yr due to an acl tear

the bears interest was solidified by cameron's spectacular breakout performance at the recent elite 50 (a showcase for sacramento talent during which malik pope broke the same leg for the 2nd time during warm ups) with travis decuire making the initial contacts

oliver creates tremendous match up nightmares for opponents with his dominating size & consistent 15+ ft jumper for a 3 yet supreme quicks & thundering dunks as a 4

the bears staff has outlined an academic gameplan for cameron to be both ncaa & cal eligible which will involve achieving solid sat scores and raising both his chemistry & english grades to elevate his current almost 3.0 gpa

my take is that oliver (who has the relentless under control fiery edge/competitiveness like the cal monster class) decides to wait until the spring signing period (for an actionable firmed up cal offer) to continue working both in the classroom and the bb court that the bears will be in the driver's seat as his dad doyle & family value cal's close proximity & world class education to open doors down the road


cal family#
unbreakable#


the university of california, berkeley=#1 ranked public university in the world (including sacramento)

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oliver will be visiting oregon for his 2nd official visit this weekend

Intermezzo;842199924 said:

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On what basis? Have you seen any more of Diallo play than you had seen of Hardin prior to either of them playing at the college level?

I couldn't tell you how good or not good Diallo might be, but the general tone I've gotten from looking at his recruitment is that he is more of a Plan B guy for Pac 12 level schools and that he has a lot to work on to develop his game for the college level.

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I just really, really like his soccer-influenced footwork, size, and athleticism. Only seen him in higlights, never in a game. Don't care what other schools or other people think. Hardin never developed footwork and that is why he did not do much. I remember Hardin looking wild and out of control in his high school video, but it has been a few years, so that might be revisionist thinking.

Sluggo

Intermezzo;842200040 said:

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Coming from someone who has been talking to himself for 100 pages just because he likes the attention, I'm not too concerned about what you think of my intrepretation of what the coverage of Diallo is.

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Shocky brings more relevant and interesting info to this board than all other BB posters

Keep up the great work Shocky!

sluggo_Cal;842200097 said:

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I just really, really like his soccer-influenced footwork, size, and athleticism. Only seen him in higlights, never in a game. Don't care what other schools or other people think. Hardin never developed footwork and that is why he did not do much. I remember Hardin looking wild and out of control in his high school video, but it has been a few years, so that might be revisionist thinking.

Sluggo

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I saw Hardin play in high school, he could run the floor, had quick feet, could block shots and dunk. He did not need anything else for that level of competition (and was coached not to). A 4.0 student with a great attitude, he stuck with his commitment to Cal even after a late push by Stanford.

He continued to grow in the year before his enrollment at Cal (his Scout profile listed him as 6'9" 210) and that affected his coordination somewhat. The biggest thing was all the injuries he had at Cal, including a foot injury much like the one that has impacted Kreklow. I also feel like he did not get good post coaching at Cal.

congratulations to:

*****mike montgomery
*****travis decuire
*****gregg gottlieb
*****john montgomery
*****jay john
*****cal academic tutors

for successfully cleaning up the ben braun academic cesspool as evidenced by the bb team's recent apr of 955...with the current roster of true student athletes, this # is likely to escalate toward 1000 in the future

who are these bears?

alan crabbe-3.3 gpa@price (honorary team member/current playing w/portland trail blazers)
justin cobbs-3.39 gpa@bishop montgomery
richard solomon-3.5 gpa@price
david kravish-4.1 gpa@lee's summit north
tyrone wallace-3.5 gpa@bakersfield
ricky kreklow-3.72 gpa@rocky bridge
jeff powers-excellent student@delasalle
kahlil johnson-scholastic honor roll@price
garrett galvin-4.0 gpa@torrey pines
jabari bird-3.0+gpa@salesian
jordan mathews-3.55 gpa@santa monica
sam singer-3.4 gpa@ransom everglades
kameron rooks-3.5 gpa@mission hills
roger moute a bidias-3.0+ gpa@notre dame
amhaad rorie-3.6 gpa@lincoln & montverde academy

cal fans can expect every player listed above to either leave cal with a degree and/or a nba contract...hopefully the bears' future nba players will eventually return to cal like former nba all star shareef abdur rahim, 3.8 gpa@cal, to graduate

of the 300+ ncaa d1 bb teams, cal is among the most academically elite programs along with duke, stanford, the ivy leagues & the service academies

if anyone can document a d1 bb program (other than the programs listed above) that has student athletes as academically gifted as cal, i will donate $5000 to a university of california (berkeley) educational scholarship program of their choice in their name

#50 yr decision


the university of california, berkeley=#1 ranked public university in the world

Shocky1;842200590 said:

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congratulations to:

*****mike montgomery
*****travis decuire
*****gregg gottlieb
*****john montgomery
*****jay john
*****cal academic tutors

for successfully cleaning up the ben braun academic cesspool as evidenced by the bb team's recent apr of 955...with the current roster of true student athletes, this # is likely to escalate toward 1000 in the future

who are these bears?

alan crabbe-3.3 gpa@price (honorary team member/current playing w/portland trail blazers)
justin cobbs-3.39 gpa@bishop montgomery
richard solomon-3.5 gpa@price
david kravish-4.1 gpa@lee's summit north
tyrone wallace-3.5 gpa@bakersfield
ricky kreklow-3.72 gpa@rocky bridge
jeff powers-excellent student@delasalle
kahlil johnson-scholastic honor roll@price
garrett galvin-4.0 gpa@torrey pines
jabari bird-3.0+gpa@salesian
jordan mathews-3.55 gpa@santa monica
sam singer-3.4 gpa@ransom everglades
kameron rooks-3.5 gpa@mission hills
roger moute a bidias-3.0+ gpa@notre dame
amhaad rorie-3.6 gpa@lincoln & montverde academy

cal fans can expect every player listed above to either leave cal with a degree and/or a nba contract...hopefully the bears' future nba players will eventually return to cal like former nba all star shareef abdur rahim, 3.8 gpa@cal, to graduate

of the 300+ ncaa d1 bb teams, cal is among the most academically elite programs along with duke, stanford, the ivy leagues & the service academies

if anyone can document a d1 bb program (other than the programs listed above) that has student athletes as academically gifted as cal, i will donate $5000 to a university of california (berkeley) educational scholarship program of their choice in their name

#50 yr decision


the university of california, berkeley=#1 ranked public university in the world

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when iddy's mom communicates with her son, her 1st questions tend to not focus upon basketball/sports but rather idrissa's schoolwork

the diallo family strongly values education & academic achievement

the grind#
unbreakable#

Shocky1;842195653 said:

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allison stokke, cal pole vaulter & finalist for the us t&f team for the 2012 london olympics

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forget to mention that allison had a 4.0 gpa@newport harbor

my bad

cal family#
the grind#
unbreakable#

Shocky,

Is not use of these photos once enough?

I find the posting of this and similar both amusing and creepy.

Go Bears!

Shocky1;842200012 said:

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inaccurate assessment (never a good idea to talk out your azz, intermezzo)

diallo has actionable offers from cal, ucla, usc, colorado & oregon, the upper tier of the pac 12 (excluding arizona)

idrissa diallo with his still not fully developed skills (due to growing up in senegal focusing upon soccer like his dad) but 4/5 star talent/athleticisim is considered one of the elite blue chip bigs on the west coast by major bb programs & their coaching staffs

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Actually, USC just took Canadian Jabari Craig and has one scholarship left that they are saving for Stanley Johnson. Oregon just recently offered, but probably would not have if they weren't uncertain about Ray Kasongo. Colorado seems to be the favorite for Tory Miller, and they only have one scholarship left. It's probably Cal, UCLA, or Oregon for Diallo.

The West Coast class of 2014 is very thin in posts, which works to Diallo's advantage. He did not play this past summer and looked rusty and rough when he tried to go in the Spring. There's a lot of mixed opinion as to how good Diallo ultimately becomes. One school of thought is that his instincts, skills, and basketball IQ are too far behind for his athleticism to matter. That said, he's a pretty good athlete and has a body, which leads you to believe he's got upside. I don't mind using a scholarship on him, but he's a developmental player, not someone I would expect immediate contributions from.

got my fingers crossed that I.D. commits this weekend

south bender;842200723 said:

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Shocky,

Is not use of these photos once enough?

I find the posting of this and similar both amusing and creepy.

Go Bears!

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the only people who think cal student athletes attired in their game competition outfits is "soft porn" are most likely convicted sex offenders undergoing extreme behavioral counseling to help them better differentiate between acceptable & non acceptable behavior in society

btw, my teenager daughters shay & taylor help pick almost all of the photos in this thread including the alllison stokke pictures & mrs shockster posts all the photos (because i'm too low tech to post them)

your new poster name is officially changed to "sex bender"...hope your po don't find out you've been viewing "soft porn"...sb, trust me, i don't want to hear that you are back inside, the food is probably really bad & cal bb coverage is minimal

back to the slammer#

congratulation to jay john's 6'3" sharpshooting son@monte vista on his commitment to cal poly slo

trevor's dad must be very proud & is probably looking forward to a few tee times in the future at morro bay

go mustangs#

Shocky1;842200742 said:

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the only people who think cal student athletes attired in their game competition outfits is "soft porn" are most likely convicted sex offenders undergoing extreme behavioral counseling to help them better differentiate between acceptable & non acceptable behavior in society

btw, my teenager daughters shay & taylor help pick almost all of the photos in this thread including the alllison stokke pictures & mrs shockster posts all the photos (because i'm too low tech to post them)

your new poster name is officially changed to "sex bender"...hope your po don't find out you've been viewing "soft porn"...sb, trust me, i don't want to hear that you are back inside, the food is probably really bad & cal bb coverage is minimal

back to the slammer#

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It is the misuse (twice) of the pictures.

Please tell me what pictures of this young woman who does not play basketball are doing on a men's basketball discussion forum.

Go Bears!

south bender;842200820 said:

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It is the misuse (twice) of the pictures.

Please tell me what pictures of this young woman who does not play basketball are doing on a men's basketball discussion forum.

Go Bears!

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Just guessing, that it relates to the interests of the (undoubtedly overwhelmingly male) fans of the men's basketball team. Besides, there are many posts on this board celebrating the world-wide fame of our beloved educational institution; and these particular images had gone viral long before they appeared on this board.

Here is an article about those pictures, and the young woman's thoughts on the matter http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/28/AR2007052801370.html


Relevant:

Quote:

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Stokke read on message boards that dozens of anonymous strangers had turned her picture into the background image on their computers. She felt violated. It was like becoming the victim of a crime, Stokke said. Her body had been stolen and turned into a public commodity, critiqued in fan forums devoted to everything from hip-hop to Hollywood...

"Even if none of it is illegal, it just all feels really demeaning," Allison Stokke said. "I worked so hard for pole vaulting and all this other stuff, and it's almost like that doesn't matter. Nobody sees that. Nobody really sees me."

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Just got home from the public scrimmage.

All five frosh will help this year, barring injury, of course.

Singer was stunningly good. He moved the ball and helped whichever group with whom he played to be better. Cobbs and Wallace and Galvin were not nearly as effective in making their teammates better. I have to swallow my rashness not to say even more effusive things about him. He likely has the best passing instincts on the team. And he did not embarrass himself on defense. Indeed, on one sequence he picked the guy who was bringing up the ball in the back court and got it to a teammate for a lay in. He was a reluctant shooter, but when he did, from downtown and driving to the basket, he was close to perfect. At the free throw line he was perfect. He protects the bell quite effectively when dribbling. Has excellent timing about going to the hole when overplayed to one side. He is a big point guard, about the 6'-5" at which he is listed.

About the only criticism I can think of is that Sam is not very tan, and what is that, coming from Florida!

Mathews quickly showed why Monty has remarked that in earlier scrimmages that he has frequently been the best scorer on the floor. He comes off screens well and gets up a pretty, balanced jump shot in a hurry. It finds the mark more often than not. Like Singer, he makes his free throws, 3 for 3 when fouled on a 3 point attempt. He led all scorers today. Cobbs did school him a few times with short turnaround jumpers, but Mathews scrapped and he plays strong. He did pick Cobbs once in the back court.

Both Mathews and Singer will see major minutes all year.

Bird was a bit less impressive in results than these two, but that is not to say he was unimpressive. His talent is extraordinary and he will only get better. Though Monty started Kreklow, I cannot imagine that Kreklow can hold off Bird for long.

Roger Moute a Bidias actually scored the first basket for his side in the scrimmage, on a nice short drive and bank shot to the right side. He is thin, but really active and plays above the rim. He will be a far better defender than any big we brought off the bench last year. He is a quick jumper with a good sense of timing. I wince when I write this, because I like Behrens a lot, but I would take Roger over him right now. He may be two inches shorter than Christian, but he plays much taller.

Rooks is huge and apparently smart. A bit soft right now, with weak (but accurate) shots. He has good hands and still takes up a lot of space at 7'+ and 260 pounds. He looks as though he will get better daily. He was 3 0f 4 from the foul line, and none of the makes was a fluke. He, also, will play right away. I imagine that, having lost about 70 pounds in a hurry, he will now be building up his strength

This is a far better first year group than Monty has yet had at Cal.

Shocky deserves some props for labeling these 5 the Monster Class.

Go Bears!

Thanks Southbender for the update . We all have been anxiously awaiting word from the scrimmage .

MoragaBear;842201101 said:

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Nice summary, southbender. I was very impressed with the frosh, too, but not surprised. They pretty much played the way they've played in practice from everything I've heard.

I'll have lots of pics and video up tomorrow since I'm at the game tonight.

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I excitedly await your pics and video.

Go Bears!

We are officially a basketball school. Can't wait for November.

Shocky1;842198571 said:

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huge oct 19th upcoming weekend for the cal bb program as idrissa diallo will be officially visiting berkeley along with coach/mentor william middlebrooks & his parents flying in from senegal

how mentally tough is idrissa diallo?

idy has not seen his parents since may of 2011 while he pursues his academic & basketball dreams in the united states

cal is currently iddy's only planned official visit despite offers from ucla, usc, colorado & oregon

idrissa diallo=devon hardin

50 yr decision#
50 yr friendships#
cal family#


the university of california, berkeley=#1 ranked public university in the world (including senegal)

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highly fun & informative diallo clan reuinion in berkeley this week

along with coach/mentor william middlebrooks, iddy's family (dad & long separated brother are twins) visited san francisco today before the bears open scrimmage

idrissa will take one final official visit to eugene (to check out the top ranked academic school in west central oregon with its non selective 90+% acceptance rate) before making his final decision


the university of california, berkeley=#1 ranked public university in the world (including senegal)

If we lose him to Altman I am going to simply throw things at the Big screen TV. I hope they are soft things.

HoopDreams;842178894 said:

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denmark's world traveler & relentlessly physical sami eleraky drove across the bay today to berkeley to check out jabari bird & the monster class at the bears open scrimmage

shout out to south bender for the detailed scrimmage report...cal's ability to knock down a high % of clutch fts at the end of games will likely result in several thrilling wins

sami can't take any official visits by ncaa rules until he has completed half of his jc credits required for graduation...his unit totals will include classroom work at both barton & sfcc along with several online classes at sfcc

eleraky will debut for the sfcc rams on friday night, nov 8th


cal famiy#
50 yr decision#