Players List of Demands Born in Berkeley

August 3, 2020
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Where else but Berkeley? 

The list of demands by Pac-12 football players, released over the weekend and gathering national attention, apparently started at the home of the Free Speech Movement and decades of student activism. 

According to a story on The Undefeated which was published on the ESPN website, offensive linemen Jake Curhan, and Valentino Daltoso and Andrew Cooper, a cross country runner who’s the co-president of Cal’s student-athlete advisory committee, are the ones who got the ball rolling a couple of months ago.

As athletes returned to campus in June for voluntary workouts, some of them became concerned about the COVID-19 protocols. Daltoso questioned the motives behind the various administrative decisions. 

“The same ones handling these regulations are the ones set to make millions if we play,” Daltoso said in the story,. “If our health and safety was No. 1, we wouldn’t be on campus.”

Via social media, the Cal players communicated with some of their counterparts in other conference schools. They learned that not all schools had the same playbook regarding virus protocols

“I think we’re doing pretty well at Cal,” Curhan said. “The fact we’re going to have to play these other schools? A little unsettling.”

As the Black Lives Matter movement and other social protests gathered momentum. the group included it and other social topics in their discussions. Three major issues soon came to the forefront, health and safety protections, racial justice and economic rights.

A July 4 Zoom call with players from every Pac-12 school was held. 

“There was initial skepticism, but everyone on the Zoom stuck with us,” Cooper said.

It resulted in this weekend’s wide-ranging list of demands released in a letter published on Players’ Tribune website and consistently reinforced by the hashtag #WeAreUnited, It includes some more than reasonable requests,  particularly those dealing with health, safety and social justice. Some others seem a little far-fetched. . 

Among the most prominent

  • Health and safety: Players want COVID-19 liability waivers to be prohibited and universal safety measures. They're also seeking medical insurance for six years post-eligibility.
  • Social justice: They're demanding that the Pac-12 form a permanent, civic-engagement task force to address social injustice.
  • Revenue redistribution: Players asked for 50% of each sport's revenue to be evenly distributed among the athletes in their respective sport.
  • Giving back: In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
  • Athletic Sumit: Form annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.
  • Transfer: There also was a demand for a change in transfer rules, which the NCAA was already considering.

 

Of course, the COVID-19 will have a bigger impact on what the season will look like than any player or group of players. 

Still, the players’ list should have an impact going forward on how the athletes are treated and bring about some overdue changes.

In a news release Sunday, the group said it includes "hundreds of Pac-12 football players throughout our conference who are very concerned with the risks COVID-19 poses to our personal health and the health of our families and communities."

"There's not enough transparency about health risks, no uniformity to ensure we're all safe when we play each other, and no adequate enforcement infrastructure," the statement said. "NCAA sports has truly failed us, it doesn't enforce any health and safety standards. We believe a football season under these conditions would be reckless and put us at needless risk. We will not play until there is real change that is acceptable to us.:

The Cal Athletic Department had no response, referring inquiries to the statement the Pac-12 issued on Sunday.

“Neither the Conference nor our university athletics departments have been contacted by this group regarding these topics," a Pac-12 statement said. "We support our student-athletes using their voice and have regular communications with our student-athletes at many different levels on a range of topics. As we have clearly stated with respect to our fall competition plans, we are, and always will be, directed by medical experts, with the health, safety and well being of our student-athletes, coaches and staff always the first priority. We have made it clear that any student-athlete who chooses not to return to competition for health or safety reasons will have their scholarship protected."

All the demands are certainly well-intentioned and some are long overdue. others may not have been carefully thought through. While contributing to worthy causes is noble and worthwhile and noble, wanting half a sport’s revenue is an overreach. Football is a prime source of income to support the other sports. If half that pot goes to the players, there would be little left for tennis, crew, track, etc. You could kiss them goodbye. I doubt that is the players’ intent.

As for the threat to boycott the season, withholding services, in other words going on strike, is organized labor’s only real weapon. But unity in fact, rather than in name is required.. Everybody has to be on board. And as many players as it has, the movement does not seem unanimous.

Washington’s all-conference cornerback, Elijah Molden, said: “While I agree with most of the demands, there are a few that I cannot get on board with.”

And UCLA quarterback Dorian Thompson-Robinson wrote: “I understand and support every guy on the Pac-12 petition & #WeAreUnited but opting-out not an option for me …”

Also at last reports, no players from USC, Utah, or Colorado were involved.

Besides Daltoso and Curhan, Cal’s other letter signee is senior defensive back Josh Drayden.

 

 

 

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Players List of Demands Born in Berkeley

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Cal_79
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Question regarding revenue redistribution:

If players asked for 50% of each sport's revenue to be evenly distributed among the athletes in their respective sport, would this mean that athletes in non-revenue sports would need to evenly contribute funds to make up for the financial deficiencies of their respective sports? If you want to share in the revenue, wouldn't it make sense you would need to share in the expenses when expenses exceed the revenue generated?
Jeff82
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The revenue demand is a non-starter unless they're willing to acknowledge that they're throwing the non-endowed non-revenue sports, and the women's sports in particular, under the bus. In the long run, this demand might result in non-revenue sports either having to endow themselves, or getting cut, which in turn bolsters the argument of the Barsky-ites to eliminate football, since you then don't need the revenue to support the rest of the athletic department. Be careful what you wish for.
bearchamp
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Football is going the way of dinosaurs anyway: just a matter of time.
LMK5
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It's great to know the Bears are just rarin' to go. Oy.
You can rename all the buildings you want, but at the end of the day George Berkeley was still a slave owner.
Unit2Sucks
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I like the idea of re-directing some portion of the revenue for financial aid for low-income black students. It does call to question whether the universities really should just be far more transparent with exactly how the funds flow from sports revenues through the athletic department and back into the schools. It seems to me that the financial demands here seem to exist in a vacuum, without reference to how the money is currently allocated.
Gunga la Gunga
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50% of revenue seems a reasonable place to start. I don't think either Men's Football or Men's Basketball were established for the purpose of funding all other sports, so why should that be the expectation?

Cal doesn't have Haas and Boalt to fund social sciences.
Cal_79
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Way bsckwhen football and basketball were established, was looking at them as being money making operations even a consideration?
71Bear
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Gunga la Gunga said:

50% of revenue seems a reasonable place to start. I don't think either Men's Football or Men's Basketball were established for the purpose of funding all other sports, so why should that be the expectation?

Cal doesn't have Haas and Boalt to fund social sciences.
Think of it this way...

When the Golden Gate and Bay Bridge were built, the idea was to collect tolls until the bonds were paid off. Then the bridges would be toll-free. Of course, later on it was determined the bridges were cash cows and could be used to fund a variety of projects. And here we are facing an $8 bridge toll on all state bridges in a couple of years.

Cal football and men's hoops were started with the idea of covering expenses. Later on, someone got the bright idea to increase revenue to a point where excess monies could be used to fund nascent athletic programs. Of course, this eventually led to a deficit spending posture within the AD. And here we are facing a potential financial disaster unless some programs are cut.

The moral of the story - when someone says they have a great idea that can be done for a minimal cost because future generations will tote the note, run as fast as you can to get away from that person.
oskirules
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That is one nice picture. Beat Texass. Twice.

annarborbear
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I could see this working out really well for all of us. Cal Football should be allowed to separately incorporate as a professional team. The team would then pay to rent out the stadium and for use of the Cal brand. Salaries would be paid by the team as well as tuition to the school. Cal alums would receive a share of all of the team's profits in exchange for having helped to build up the Cal brand over the decades. We could actually end up being paid to attend the games,
Cal_79
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Is it a ridiculous idea for players to have concerns?

Colorado State players told too hide symptoms
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/04/report-colorado-state-football-players-told-to-hide-coronavirus-symptoms-face-punishment-for-quarantining/?utm_campaign=forbes&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=Gordie%2F&fbclid=IwAR070nbGotAacZaXlvp6dhDRFyhVbJoosarQCtHthwL1zdbbTQGbwuqaz5w#676f7264696
BancroftBear93
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annarborbear said:

I could see this working out really well for all of us. Cal Football should be allowed to separately incorporate as a professional team. The team would then pay to rent out the stadium and for use of the Cal brand. Salaries would be paid by the team as well as tuition to the school. Cal alums would receive a share of all of the team's profits in exchange for having helped to build up the Cal brand over the decades. We could actually end up being paid to attend the games,
That's where it's going. We are all dollars and cents these days.
Bobodeluxe
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Did Pappy's Boys ever ask him to reduce his $5,000,000.00+ salary? Of course not.
71Bear
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Bobodeluxe said:

Did Pappy's Boys ever ask him to reduce his $5,000,000.00+ salary? Of course not.
Thats because they were already well compensated for their efforts....
calpoly
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BancroftBear93 said:

annarborbear said:

I could see this working out really well for all of us. Cal Football should be allowed to separately incorporate as a professional team. The team would then pay to rent out the stadium and for use of the Cal brand. Salaries would be paid by the team as well as tuition to the school. Cal alums would receive a share of all of the team's profits in exchange for having helped to build up the Cal brand over the decades. We could actually end up being paid to attend the games,
That's where it's going. We are all dollars and cents these days.
These days? Where have you been the last 40 years!
Bobodeluxe
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71Bear said:

Bobodeluxe said:

Did Pappy's Boys ever ask him to reduce his $5,000,000.00+ salary? Of course not.
Thats because they were already well compensated for their efforts....

: )
59bear
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71Bear said:

Gunga la Gunga said:

50% of revenue seems a reasonable place to start. I don't think either Men's Football or Men's Basketball were established for the purpose of funding all other sports, so why should that be the expectation?

Cal doesn't have Haas and Boalt to fund social sciences.
Think of it this way...

When the Golden Gate and Bay Bridge were built, the idea was to collect tolls until the bonds were paid off. Then the bridges would be toll-free. Of course, later on it was determined the bridges were cash cows and could be used to fund a variety of projects. And here we are facing an $8 bridge toll on all state bridges in a couple of years.

Cal football and men's hoops were started with the idea of covering expenses. Later on, someone got the bright idea to increase revenue to a point where excess monies could be used to fund nascent athletic programs. Of course, this eventually led to a deficit spending posture within the AD. And here we are facing a potential financial disaster unless some programs are cut.

The moral of the story - when someone says they have a great idea that can be done for a minimal cost because future generations will tote the note, run as fast as you can to get away from that person.

I doubt that income/expenses were considerations in the establishment of intercollegiate sports. I suspect they started as student run club activities and evolved into school sponsored "extra-curricular" enrichment of the educational experience, the corruptive influence of money soon following. The cancer has grown to an existential threat. Perhaps I'm naive, but I don't see colleges being willing to become professional franchises. Rights fees, yes; full cost of attendance, yes; some form of health benefit, yes; salaries, NFW. While it is obscene that coaches (and some administrators) make mega-salaries while players do the heavy lifting on skimpy allowances, the reality is very few scholarship athletes have intrinsic market value greater than their scholarships. Giving players 50% of revenues, or even anything close to that, creates a financial sinkhole that most institutions will drop the sports to avoid
bearister
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Wouldn't most U$C players actually be taking a pay cut under this plan?
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Send my credentials to the House of Detention
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oski003
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for every dollar you pay a coach, a dollar has to be evenly distributed to everyone on tbe team.
Cal_79
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Why?
BearForce2
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Quote:

  • Health and safety: Players want COVID-19 liability waivers to be prohibited and universal safety measures. They're also seeking medical insurance for six years post-eligibility.
  • Social justice: They're demanding that the Pac-12 form a permanent, civic-engagement task force to address social injustice.
  • Revenue redistribution: Players asked for 50% of each sport's revenue to be evenly distributed among the athletes in their respective sport.
  • Giving back: In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
  • Athletic Sumit: Form annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.
  • Transfer: There also was a demand for a change in transfer rules, which the NCAA was already considering.


Health and Safety matters. Shut down Cal football.
71Bear
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BearForce2 said:

Quote:

  • Health and safety: Players want COVID-19 liability waivers to be prohibited and universal safety measures. They're also seeking medical insurance for six years post-eligibility.
  • Social justice: They're demanding that the Pac-12 form a permanent, civic-engagement task force to address social injustice.
  • Revenue redistribution: Players asked for 50% of each sport's revenue to be evenly distributed among the athletes in their respective sport.
  • Giving back: In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
  • Athletic Sumit: Form annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.
  • Transfer: There also was a demand for a change in transfer rules, which the NCAA was already considering.


Health and Safety matters. Shut down Cal football.

Everything matters...
Big C
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bearister said:

Wouldn't most U$C players actually be taking a pay cut under this plan?

Why else do you think there were no $C players signing the letter?
NVBear78
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Not something to be proud of.
BufEnuf
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71Bear said:

The moral of the story - when someone says they have a great idea that can be done for a minimal cost because future generations will tote the note, run as fast as you can to get away from that person.
Isn't this just what Barsky was trying to tell us?
LMK5
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71Bear said:

BearForce2 said:

Quote:

  • Health and safety: Players want COVID-19 liability waivers to be prohibited and universal safety measures. They're also seeking medical insurance for six years post-eligibility.
  • Social justice: They're demanding that the Pac-12 form a permanent, civic-engagement task force to address social injustice.
  • Revenue redistribution: Players asked for 50% of each sport's revenue to be evenly distributed among the athletes in their respective sport.
  • Giving back: In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
  • Athletic Sumit: Form annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.
  • Transfer: There also was a demand for a change in transfer rules, which the NCAA was already considering.


Health and Safety matters. Shut down Cal football.

Everything matters...
Fans' mental health matters. Let's play some football.
You can rename all the buildings you want, but at the end of the day George Berkeley was still a slave owner.
Goobear
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oski003 said:

for every dollar you pay a coach, a dollar has to be evenly distributed to everyone on tbe team.
Most of that is done already when you factor in meals, stipends, books, tuition, insurance. Kids should get more in stipends.
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