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Costly Mistakes, OL Play Dooms Bears in 17-15 Loss at #22 Pitt

October 12, 2024
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PITTSBURGH, PA - More heartbreak and frustration was the fate of Cal fans today in the Bears’ 17-15 loss at #22 Pittsburgh in a game that was more than winnable but was ultimately derailed by costly mistakes throughout the game as well as an offensive line that was a sieve against the aggressive Pitt defense.

When QB Fernando Mendoza wasn’t being sacked six times, he was often pressured and hit. The Bears gave up 11 tackles for loss to a team that came into the game with just 12 sacks. Overall, Mendoza went 27-for-37 for 272 yards and a touchdown and no turnovers. TE Jack Endries was the star for the Bears, hauling in 8 receptions for 119 yards and a TD in the loss.

In all, the Bears were whistled for 12 penalties for 110 yards and it would’ve been more if several penalties weren’t declined.

“Penalties were a major issue,” head coach Justin Wilcox said after the game. “Four 15 yarders. We had an unsportsmanlike right before half that cost us big...we had two PI’s on one drive for 30 yards of field position. We had a facemask for 15. Receivers had an illegal substitution, really bad. False start..delay, three holding penalties. 

“It’s bad. You just have to focus. It takes physical toughness, mental toughness, emotional toughness.”

In the last four years, the team has been 5-20 in one score games including tonight’s disappointing loss.

“How do you win a one-score game today?” Wilcox asked rhetorically. “You cut the penalties in half. Start there...Let’s go to 4th-and-1. Everyone’s doing their job - 10 out of 11 guys. One guy makes kind of a selfish decision, gets out of his gap. I think we had a great chance to stop them and get the ball in their territory. A guy gets out of his gap and they run 72 yards for a touchdown.”

The Bears were unable to generate much offense on the ground, with running back Jaivian Thomas, starting in place of injured starter Jadyn Ott, gaining 72 yards on 17 carries.

The game got off to a good start for the Bears after stuffing the Pitt offense with a 3-and-out and following up with an opening TD drive.

Facing 3rd-and-17 on the drive at the Cal 44, Mendoza came up with a clutch completion to WR Jonathan Brady for 23 yards, bringing the ball to the Pitt 33. Three plays later, Thomas turned on the jets for a 21-yard TD run to give the Bears a 6-0 lead after a failed 2-point conversion attempt failed.

The Panthers immediately responded with a scoring drive of their own, aided by a pair of facemask and hands-to-the-face penalties and a 4th-and-5 conversion from midfield. Pitt took the lead on a 5-yard Desmond Reid burst up the middle for the score and the Ben Sauls PAT to go up 7-6 with 5:07 left in the quarter.

After a pair of penalties cut short the Bears’ next possession, Cal’s run of 4th-down defensive futility burned them in a big way.

Showing either complete confidence in their offense or in the Cal defense’s recent fourth down struggles, the Panthers went for it with an unusual 4th-and-1 situation from their own 28. Seemingly confused by Pitt’s misdirection, Reid bounced the ball off tackle and found nothing but green grass ahead of him, pulling away for the surprisingly easy 72-yard TD run to put Pitt up 14-6 to start the second quarter.

The Panthers extended their lead after the Bears were forced to abandon going for it on 4th-and-1 at midfield after an illegal substitution penalty. Pitt responded with a 58-yard field goal on the ensuing drive to go up 17-6 with 10:04 left in the half.

The Bears finally stemmed the tide of 17 straight Pitt points, putting together a 9-play, 54-yard drive ending in a 39-yard Ryan Coe field goal to make it 17-9 with 5:57 left in the half to close out the scoring in the half.

The Bears’ 20:43 to 9:17 first-half time of possession advantage yielded little, with 8 penalties for 90 yards derailing any drive continuity in the half.

The third quarter was a stalemate, with either team failing to score, despite two Cal interceptions by cornerback Nohl Williams and nickel back Cam Sidney. Sidney’s return gave the Bears the ball on the Pitt 40 but they only managed to move backward on two sacks and an incompletion.

The Bears finally got things going after taking over at their 22 on their next possession. Tight end Jack Endries put the team on his back on the drive, hauling in catches for 20 and 27 yards with plenty of yards after catch before grabbing a pass up the middle and bulling his way in for the 19-yard TD.

Cal’s special teams woes continued as they failed on their second straight 2-point conversion attempt and trailed 17-15 with 10:30 remaining.

The Bears had a golden opportunity to milk the clock and take the lead after taking over at their 20 with 8:22 left in the game and methodically moving it to the Pitt 22 where they faced 3rd-and-9. Rather than trying to pass for a first down, backup QB Chandler Rogers had a short run that positioned the Bears for the potential game-winning field goal, though there was still 1:50 left on the clock.

Set up for a 40-yard field goal in the center of the field, well within Coe’s range, the senior kicker missed wide right, crushing the Bears’ hopes for victory.

The Bears still had a chance for a late comeback after forcing a 3-and-out and getting the ball back at their 20 with :52 left but three straight incompletions sandwiched around another false start penalty found the Bears in 4th-and-15. Finally hitting on a completion to WR Mason Starling, it was again short of the sticks as was the case so often all game and the Bears turned over the ball on downs, leaving Pitt to kneel down and run out the clock.

The Bears fell to 3-3 (0-3) after the loss. Pitt runs their record to 6-0 (2-0) after their victory.

 

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Costly Mistakes, OL Play Dooms Bears in 17-15 Loss at #22 Pitt

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Grrrrah76
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Horrific offensive line play this season. Bad in run blocking AND pass protection. JUST average line play and we're 6-0.
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Grrrrah76 said:

Horrific offensive line play this season. Bad in run blocking AND pass protection. JUST average line play and we're 6-0.


Having the starting center back is huge. I liked seeing his mean streak - there's no way that his personal foul was warranted given the Pitt nose tackle not letting go of his jersey. At most, that should've been offsetting fouls.
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alarsuel
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Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?
Bowlesman80
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alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.
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chazzed
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"Poor Strategy by the Head Coach, Costly Mistakes, and OL Play Doom Bears"

Fixed it for you.
dha
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Until our top 2 WRs are back, we really should be running the offense thru the TEs. Both of them are huge mismatches. And Mendoza feels most comfortable throwing in the middle of the field.


We have a solid receiving corp - Hunter, Brady, Grizzell, etc. Don't think that is the problem. Our two highly rated portal transfers from high school: Merriweather caught 14 passes for Notre Dame last year and has been out this year. Grayes caught two passes for Ohio State in two years. And has also been out. Let's hope they get better and out on the field and join in the competition among the other WRs for playing time.

Mendoza throws well to the sidelines, where the majority of his passes were completed on Saturday. Problem is they are short routes, as the OL doesn't allow much time to drop back in the pocket and Mendoza has limited ability to scramble. Been a problem all season.

Someone mentioned Longwell. But our FG kicker is Ryan Coe, another portal transfer. Our FG kicker from last year, who bolted in the portal for UCLA, Mateen Bhaghani, is 90% - 10-11 on FG attempts. Although he might wish he was back at Cal
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Longwell is a former NFL kicker and Cal kicker, who is an assistant coach.
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calumnus
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Bowlesman80 said:

oski003 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is bad.
The points they have scored are not made up. What's hurting is Oline coaching, talent, and depth.


We are #98 in the country in scoring points.
calumnus
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Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
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dha said:


Until our top 2 WRs are back, we really should be running the offense thru the TEs. Both of them are huge mismatches. And Mendoza feels most comfortable throwing in the middle of the field.


We have a solid receiving corp - Hunter, Brady, Grizzell, etc. Don't think that is the problem. Our two highly rated portal transfers from high school: Merriweather caught 14 passes for Notre Dame last year and has been out this year. Grayes caught two passes for Ohio State in two years. And has also been out. Let's hope they get better and out on the field and join in the competition among the other WRs for playing time.

Mendoza throws well to the sidelines, where the majority of his passes were completed on Saturday. Problem is they are short routes, as the OL doesn't allow much time to drop back in the pocket and Mendoza has limited ability to scramble. Been a problem all season.

Someone mentioned Longwell. But our FG kicker is Ryan Coe, another portal transfer. Our FG kicker from last year, who bolted in the portal for UCLA, Mateen Bhaghani, is 90% - 10-11 on FG attempts. Although he might wish he was back at Cal


Mendoza throws best in front of him. Hitting a TE in the seam or a WR slant or going long and breaking over the middle. He did much better on the longer screens this game, especially a couple times he looked them off first (something he used to never do), but he is just not good at swing passes and dinks. He was well suited to Spavital's quick passing offense. And has looked great despite the fact that due to poor 1st and second down play calling he is usually passing in third and long and is under tremendous pressure, half the time taking a sack.

The biggest issue has been 1) the predictability of the play calling; running up the middle or throwing a swing pass to a RB on first and second down and 2) the repeated calling of those plays despite how ineffective they are. The last few games called out for opening it up and repeatedly having Fernando throw upfield on first down. Initially targeting the TEs but as they start to draw attention from the safeties, the WRs deep or RBs underneath. Yes, scoring fast, sorry Justin.
Bowlesman80
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calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
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Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?
Bowlesman80
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calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?


Point taken. Bloesch's schemes are not working.
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Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?


Point taken. Bloesch's schemes are not working.


What is crazy is he has stretches thst work, where we throw off play action to the TEs on first down for big gains, and fast scores, but then we go back to running up the middle on first down. The outside run for the Jet with the TE sealing went for a big gain.

Just stick with what is working until they show they can stop it. Make them expect play action to the TE on first down and then hit a WR even deeper. Then look the TE off and hit the RB out of the backfield. Get them on their heals, expecting playsction pass and THEN run up the middle. Mendoza was on fire throwing downfield even on third and long with pressure unless he was sacked first. Give Mendoza a chance to throw when it is not an obvious passing situation.

And here is what is really crazy. A quick strike offense would actually go well with this defense, Our weakness is run defense, but our strength is pass defense, especially takeaways. Scoring points quickly through Mendoza's downfield passing would force the other team into passing too, giving up more takeaways to get the ball for the offense. This trying to be a plodding midwestern team of 50 years ago, trying to nurse a lead and run out the clock for an entire quarter or even a half is just not what this team is built for.
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calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?


Point taken. Bloesch's schemes are not working.


What is crazy is he has stretches thst work, where we throw off play action to the TEs on first down for big gains, and fast scores, but then we go back to running up the middle on first down. The outside run for the Jet with the TE sealing went for a big gain.

Just stick with what is working until they show they can stop it. Make them expect play action to the TE on first down and then hit a WR even deeper. Then look the TE off and hit the RB out of the backfield. Get them on their heals, expecting playsction pass and THEN run up the middle. Mendoza was on fire throwing downfield even on third and long with pressure unless he was sacked first. Give Mendoza a chance to throw when it is not an obvious passing situation.

And here is what is really crazy. A quick strike offense would actually go well with this defense, Our weakness is run defense, but our strength is pass defense, especially takeaways. Scoring points quickly through Mendoza's downfield passing would force the other team into passing too, giving up more takeaways to get the ball for the offense. This trying to be a plodding midwestern team of 50 years ago, trying to nurse a lead and run out the clock for an entire quarter or even a half is just not what this team is built for.


We called more passing plays than running plays. We passed 37 times in a game where we only scored 15 points. It appears Bloesch is trying to do much of what you are asking, but the OL and QB make too many bad plays, and we don't have a running back who is getting yardage when facing defenders in the backfield.
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oski003 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?


Point taken. Bloesch's schemes are not working.


What is crazy is he has stretches thst work, where we throw off play action to the TEs on first down for big gains, and fast scores, but then we go back to running up the middle on first down. The outside run for the Jet with the TE sealing went for a big gain.

Just stick with what is working until they show they can stop it. Make them expect play action to the TE on first down and then hit a WR even deeper. Then look the TE off and hit the RB out of the backfield. Get them on their heals, expecting playsction pass and THEN run up the middle. Mendoza was on fire throwing downfield even on third and long with pressure unless he was sacked first. Give Mendoza a chance to throw when it is not an obvious passing situation.

And here is what is really crazy. A quick strike offense would actually go well with this defense, Our weakness is run defense, but our strength is pass defense, especially takeaways. Scoring points quickly through Mendoza's downfield passing would force the other team into passing too, giving up more takeaways to get the ball for the offense. This trying to be a plodding midwestern team of 50 years ago, trying to nurse a lead and run out the clock for an entire quarter or even a half is just not what this team is built for.


We called more passing plays than running plays. We passed 37 times in a game where we only scored 15 points. It appears Bloesch is trying to do much of what you are asking, but the OL and QB make too many bad plays, and we don't have a running back who is getting yardage when facing defenders in the backfield.


The official stats show 27 of 37 passing for 272 yards and 40 rushing attempts for 63 yards so more rushes than passes, but that is immaterial.

7.3 yards per pass attempt

1.6 yards per run attempt

It is not rocket science to say we were more effective throwing and should have thrown more.

And that was with Mendoza often forced to throw on third and long because of running up the middle for no gain on first and second. Or throwing short swing passes to the RB on first down when the D is keying on our RB. The few times we threw to the TE on first down off play action we drove the field and scored. The few big running plays were when we got the RB outside.

Ineffective drives were characterized by running up the middle for nothing on first, second, even third and long,

So yes, there were some good things in there, but after Bloesch finds something that works (Mendoza throwing the the TE off play action on 1st down) we would too often go back to what didn't work, killing the drive. And we still could have won at the end if we just kept driving instead of playing for the long FG.
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calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?


Point taken. Bloesch's schemes are not working.


What is crazy is he has stretches thst work, where we throw off play action to the TEs on first down for big gains, and fast scores, but then we go back to running up the middle on first down. The outside run for the Jet with the TE sealing went for a big gain.

Just stick with what is working until they show they can stop it. Make them expect play action to the TE on first down and then hit a WR even deeper. Then look the TE off and hit the RB out of the backfield. Get them on their heals, expecting playsction pass and THEN run up the middle. Mendoza was on fire throwing downfield even on third and long with pressure unless he was sacked first. Give Mendoza a chance to throw when it is not an obvious passing situation.

And here is what is really crazy. A quick strike offense would actually go well with this defense, Our weakness is run defense, but our strength is pass defense, especially takeaways. Scoring points quickly through Mendoza's downfield passing would force the other team into passing too, giving up more takeaways to get the ball for the offense. This trying to be a plodding midwestern team of 50 years ago, trying to nurse a lead and run out the clock for an entire quarter or even a half is just not what this team is built for.


We called more passing plays than running plays. We passed 37 times in a game where we only scored 15 points. It appears Bloesch is trying to do much of what you are asking, but the OL and QB make too many bad plays, and we don't have a running back who is getting yardage when facing defenders in the backfield.


The official stats show 27 of 37 passing for 272 yards and 40 rushing attempts for 63 yards so more rushes than passes, but that is immaterial.

7.3 yards per pass attempt

1.6 yards per run attempt

It is not rocket science to say we were more effective throwing and should have thrown more.

And that was with Mendoza often forced to throw on third and long because of running up the middle for no gain on first and second. Or throwing short swing passes to the RB on first down when the D is keying on our RB. The few times we threw to the TE on first down off play action we drove the field and scored. The few big running plays were when we got the RB outside.

Ineffective drives were characterized by running up the middle for nothing on first, second, even third and long,

So yes, there were some good things in there, but after Bloesch finds something that works (Mendoza throwing the the TE off play action on 1st down) we would too often go back to what didn't work, killing the drive. And we still could have won at the end if we just kept driving instead of playing for the long FG.


We called more than 37 passing plays. Many runs were actually sacks or scrambles off broken plays. We got sacked a ton. If you move the sack losses away from runs and into negative pass plays, the stats are much different. Counting that towards our rush average instead of our pass average is being purposely misleading. How many times did we get sacked last game?
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I heard that we got sacked six times against Pitt.

This brings up an interesting point: College stats, as reported until recently, always had the QB sacks mixed into the rushing totals, which is more "pure" but less instructive. The NFL classified sacks differently (separately?).

Now, when I see game stats, sometimes the QB sacks are classified differently. Or is this my imagination? Anyway, they ought to standardize it, one way or another.
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oski003 said:

calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?


Point taken. Bloesch's schemes are not working.


What is crazy is he has stretches thst work, where we throw off play action to the TEs on first down for big gains, and fast scores, but then we go back to running up the middle on first down. The outside run for the Jet with the TE sealing went for a big gain.

Just stick with what is working until they show they can stop it. Make them expect play action to the TE on first down and then hit a WR even deeper. Then look the TE off and hit the RB out of the backfield. Get them on their heals, expecting playsction pass and THEN run up the middle. Mendoza was on fire throwing downfield even on third and long with pressure unless he was sacked first. Give Mendoza a chance to throw when it is not an obvious passing situation.

And here is what is really crazy. A quick strike offense would actually go well with this defense, Our weakness is run defense, but our strength is pass defense, especially takeaways. Scoring points quickly through Mendoza's downfield passing would force the other team into passing too, giving up more takeaways to get the ball for the offense. This trying to be a plodding midwestern team of 50 years ago, trying to nurse a lead and run out the clock for an entire quarter or even a half is just not what this team is built for.


We called more passing plays than running plays. We passed 37 times in a game where we only scored 15 points. It appears Bloesch is trying to do much of what you are asking, but the OL and QB make too many bad plays, and we don't have a running back who is getting yardage when facing defenders in the backfield.


The official stats show 27 of 37 passing for 272 yards and 40 rushing attempts for 63 yards so more rushes than passes, but that is immaterial.

7.3 yards per pass attempt

1.6 yards per run attempt

It is not rocket science to say we were more effective throwing and should have thrown more.

And that was with Mendoza often forced to throw on third and long because of running up the middle for no gain on first and second. Or throwing short swing passes to the RB on first down when the D is keying on our RB. The few times we threw to the TE on first down off play action we drove the field and scored. The few big running plays were when we got the RB outside.

Ineffective drives were characterized by running up the middle for nothing on first, second, even third and long,

So yes, there were some good things in there, but after Bloesch finds something that works (Mendoza throwing the the TE off play action on 1st down) we would too often go back to what didn't work, killing the drive. And we still could have won at the end if we just kept driving instead of playing for the long FG.


We called more than 37 passing plays. Many runs were actually sacks or scrambles off broken plays. We got sacked a ton. If you move the sack losses away from runs and into negative pass plays, the stats are much different. Counting that towards our rush average instead of our pass average is being purposely misleading. How many times did we get sacked last game?


We were sacked 6 times, again mostly on third and long caused by running up the middle for little gain on first and second. While I agree a sack is a failed pass play I also consider a swing pass attempt to Ott on first down essentially a run play. Again, I am talking about a Mendoza throwing more than 10 yards down field.

If you offset the 6 sacks with the few long runs outside that still leaves more than 30 runs up the middle for about 1 yard per carry.
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calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?


Point taken. Bloesch's schemes are not working.


What is crazy is he has stretches thst work, where we throw off play action to the TEs on first down for big gains, and fast scores, but then we go back to running up the middle on first down. The outside run for the Jet with the TE sealing went for a big gain.

Just stick with what is working until they show they can stop it. Make them expect play action to the TE on first down and then hit a WR even deeper. Then look the TE off and hit the RB out of the backfield. Get them on their heals, expecting playsction pass and THEN run up the middle. Mendoza was on fire throwing downfield even on third and long with pressure unless he was sacked first. Give Mendoza a chance to throw when it is not an obvious passing situation.

And here is what is really crazy. A quick strike offense would actually go well with this defense, Our weakness is run defense, but our strength is pass defense, especially takeaways. Scoring points quickly through Mendoza's downfield passing would force the other team into passing too, giving up more takeaways to get the ball for the offense. This trying to be a plodding midwestern team of 50 years ago, trying to nurse a lead and run out the clock for an entire quarter or even a half is just not what this team is built for.


We called more passing plays than running plays. We passed 37 times in a game where we only scored 15 points. It appears Bloesch is trying to do much of what you are asking, but the OL and QB make too many bad plays, and we don't have a running back who is getting yardage when facing defenders in the backfield.


The official stats show 27 of 37 passing for 272 yards and 40 rushing attempts for 63 yards so more rushes than passes, but that is immaterial.

7.3 yards per pass attempt

1.6 yards per run attempt

It is not rocket science to say we were more effective throwing and should have thrown more.

And that was with Mendoza often forced to throw on third and long because of running up the middle for no gain on first and second. Or throwing short swing passes to the RB on first down when the D is keying on our RB. The few times we threw to the TE on first down off play action we drove the field and scored. The few big running plays were when we got the RB outside.

Ineffective drives were characterized by running up the middle for nothing on first, second, even third and long,

So yes, there were some good things in there, but after Bloesch finds something that works (Mendoza throwing the the TE off play action on 1st down) we would too often go back to what didn't work, killing the drive. And we still could have won at the end if we just kept driving instead of playing for the long FG.


We called more than 37 passing plays. Many runs were actually sacks or scrambles off broken plays. We got sacked a ton. If you move the sack losses away from runs and into negative pass plays, the stats are much different. Counting that towards our rush average instead of our pass average is being purposely misleading. How many times did we get sacked last game?


We were sacked 6 times, again mostly on third and long caused by running up the middle for little gain on first and second. While I agree a sack is a failed pass play I also consider a swing pass attempt to Ott on first down essentially a run play. Again, I am talking about a Mendoza throwing more than 10 yards down field.

If you offset the 6 sacks with the few long runs outside that still leaves more than 30 runs up the middle for about 1 yard per carry.


Yeah, that's not what happened. We didn't run up the middle 31+ times. We called less than 30 running plays total. In fact, we only handed it off to a running back 20 times.
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I heard that we got sacked six times against Pitt.

This brings up an interesting point: College stats, as reported until recently, always had the QB sacks mixed into the rushing totals, which is more "pure" but less instructive. The NFL classified sacks differently (separately?).

Now, when I see game stats, sometimes the QB sacks are classified differently. Or is this my imagination? Anyway, they ought to standardize it, one way or another.

The official rushing stats always includes sack yards. The sack adjusted rushing total is 99 yards and Thomas had 72 yards on 17 carries (4.2 ypc).
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oski003 said:

calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?


Point taken. Bloesch's schemes are not working.


What is crazy is he has stretches thst work, where we throw off play action to the TEs on first down for big gains, and fast scores, but then we go back to running up the middle on first down. The outside run for the Jet with the TE sealing went for a big gain.

Just stick with what is working until they show they can stop it. Make them expect play action to the TE on first down and then hit a WR even deeper. Then look the TE off and hit the RB out of the backfield. Get them on their heals, expecting playsction pass and THEN run up the middle. Mendoza was on fire throwing downfield even on third and long with pressure unless he was sacked first. Give Mendoza a chance to throw when it is not an obvious passing situation.

And here is what is really crazy. A quick strike offense would actually go well with this defense, Our weakness is run defense, but our strength is pass defense, especially takeaways. Scoring points quickly through Mendoza's downfield passing would force the other team into passing too, giving up more takeaways to get the ball for the offense. This trying to be a plodding midwestern team of 50 years ago, trying to nurse a lead and run out the clock for an entire quarter or even a half is just not what this team is built for.


We called more passing plays than running plays. We passed 37 times in a game where we only scored 15 points. It appears Bloesch is trying to do much of what you are asking, but the OL and QB make too many bad plays, and we don't have a running back who is getting yardage when facing defenders in the backfield.


The official stats show 27 of 37 passing for 272 yards and 40 rushing attempts for 63 yards so more rushes than passes, but that is immaterial.

7.3 yards per pass attempt

1.6 yards per run attempt

It is not rocket science to say we were more effective throwing and should have thrown more.

And that was with Mendoza often forced to throw on third and long because of running up the middle for no gain on first and second. Or throwing short swing passes to the RB on first down when the D is keying on our RB. The few times we threw to the TE on first down off play action we drove the field and scored. The few big running plays were when we got the RB outside.

Ineffective drives were characterized by running up the middle for nothing on first, second, even third and long,

So yes, there were some good things in there, but after Bloesch finds something that works (Mendoza throwing the the TE off play action on 1st down) we would too often go back to what didn't work, killing the drive. And we still could have won at the end if we just kept driving instead of playing for the long FG.


We called more than 37 passing plays. Many runs were actually sacks or scrambles off broken plays. We got sacked a ton. If you move the sack losses away from runs and into negative pass plays, the stats are much different. Counting that towards our rush average instead of our pass average is being purposely misleading. How many times did we get sacked last game?


We were sacked 6 times, again mostly on third and long caused by running up the middle for little gain on first and second. While I agree a sack is a failed pass play I also consider a swing pass attempt to Ott on first down essentially a run play. Again, I am talking about a Mendoza throwing more than 10 yards down field.

If you offset the 6 sacks with the few long runs outside that still leaves more than 30 runs up the middle for about 1 yard per carry.


Yeah, that's not what happened. We didn't run up the middle 31+ times. We called less than 30 running plays total. In fact, we only handed it off to a running back 20 times.


How many times did we run Mendoza or Rogers up the middle on what looked like designed plays?
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Big C said:


I heard that we got sacked six times against Pitt.

This brings up an interesting point: College stats, as reported until recently, always had the QB sacks mixed into the rushing totals, which is more "pure" but less instructive. The NFL classified sacks differently (separately?).

Now, when I see game stats, sometimes the QB sacks are classified differently. Or is this my imagination? Anyway, they ought to standardize it, one way or another.

The official rushing stats always includes sack yards. The sack adjusted rushing total is 99 yards and Thomas had 72 yards on 17 carries (4.2 ypc).


The Jet had 37 yards (more than half of his total) on three carries in the opening scoring drive (that started out with passing to Endries off of play action on first down).

We had 10 carries from Cardwell, Calloway and Rogers for 15 yards total, so 1.5 yards per carry. Add that to Thomas' remaining 14 carries for 35 yards and you have 24 carries for 50 yards at 2.0 yards per carry for the entire rest of the game. We killed drives with it.
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Bowlesman80 said:

BearoutEast67 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

oski003 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

oski003 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
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Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is bad.
The points they have scored are not made up. What's hurting is Oline coaching, talent, and depth.


We are averaging only 23 points a game and our defense leads the NCAA in interceptions. The offense is not good. We scored 9 points and 15 points in two of our losses.
The offense has shown great bright spots. Look at how Mendoza has been playmaking, even with less than Jared Goff levels of protection. Look at Jet. To make a blanket statement about how bad they are is not fair to them. Serious questions are arising about Bloesch's OC role. When he was a dedicated Oline coach, last year, we saw significant improvement, while this year, we regressed.
I am trying to be specific in any criticism, so to be constructive.



I loved the quick passes over the middle to the TE. Worked repeatedly but less well when the blitzer was never touched. Defense played great and shut down a supposed phenomenal freshman QB. I think Longwell should have kicker practice on varying lengths of grass as well as turf.
Now, that's constructive criticism. I must wonder why we have a history of kickers getting the yips. I am sad to think that Miami and Pitt will prove out overrated.


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calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
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Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?


Point taken. Bloesch's schemes are not working.


What is crazy is he has stretches thst work, where we throw off play action to the TEs on first down for big gains, and fast scores, but then we go back to running up the middle on first down. The outside run for the Jet with the TE sealing went for a big gain.

Just stick with what is working until they show they can stop it. Make them expect play action to the TE on first down and then hit a WR even deeper. Then look the TE off and hit the RB out of the backfield. Get them on their heals, expecting playsction pass and THEN run up the middle. Mendoza was on fire throwing downfield even on third and long with pressure unless he was sacked first. Give Mendoza a chance to throw when it is not an obvious passing situation.

And here is what is really crazy. A quick strike offense would actually go well with this defense, Our weakness is run defense, but our strength is pass defense, especially takeaways. Scoring points quickly through Mendoza's downfield passing would force the other team into passing too, giving up more takeaways to get the ball for the offense. This trying to be a plodding midwestern team of 50 years ago, trying to nurse a lead and run out the clock for an entire quarter or even a half is just not what this team is built for.


We called more passing plays than running plays. We passed 37 times in a game where we only scored 15 points. It appears Bloesch is trying to do much of what you are asking, but the OL and QB make too many bad plays, and we don't have a running back who is getting yardage when facing defenders in the backfield.


The official stats show 27 of 37 passing for 272 yards and 40 rushing attempts for 63 yards so more rushes than passes, but that is immaterial.

7.3 yards per pass attempt

1.6 yards per run attempt

It is not rocket science to say we were more effective throwing and should have thrown more.

And that was with Mendoza often forced to throw on third and long because of running up the middle for no gain on first and second. Or throwing short swing passes to the RB on first down when the D is keying on our RB. The few times we threw to the TE on first down off play action we drove the field and scored. The few big running plays were when we got the RB outside.

Ineffective drives were characterized by running up the middle for nothing on first, second, even third and long,

So yes, there were some good things in there, but after Bloesch finds something that works (Mendoza throwing the the TE off play action on 1st down) we would too often go back to what didn't work, killing the drive. And we still could have won at the end if we just kept driving instead of playing for the long FG.


We called more than 37 passing plays. Many runs were actually sacks or scrambles off broken plays. We got sacked a ton. If you move the sack losses away from runs and into negative pass plays, the stats are much different. Counting that towards our rush average instead of our pass average is being purposely misleading. How many times did we get sacked last game?


We were sacked 6 times, again mostly on third and long caused by running up the middle for little gain on first and second. While I agree a sack is a failed pass play I also consider a swing pass attempt to Ott on first down essentially a run play. Again, I am talking about a Mendoza throwing more than 10 yards down field.

If you offset the 6 sacks with the few long runs outside that still leaves more than 30 runs up the middle for about 1 yard per carry.


Yeah, that's not what happened. We didn't run up the middle 31+ times. We called less than 30 running plays total. In fact, we only handed it off to a running back 20 times.


How many times did we run Mendoza or Rogers up the middle on what looked like designed plays?


3 times?
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calumnus said:

MoragaBear said:

Big C said:


I heard that we got sacked six times against Pitt.

This brings up an interesting point: College stats, as reported until recently, always had the QB sacks mixed into the rushing totals, which is more "pure" but less instructive. The NFL classified sacks differently (separately?).

Now, when I see game stats, sometimes the QB sacks are classified differently. Or is this my imagination? Anyway, they ought to standardize it, one way or another.

The official rushing stats always includes sack yards. The sack adjusted rushing total is 99 yards and Thomas had 72 yards on 17 carries (4.2 ypc).


The Jet had 37 yards (more than half of his total) on three carries in the opening scoring drive (that started out with passing to Endries off of play action on first down).

We had 10 carries from Cardwell, Calloway and Rogers for 15 yards total, so 1.5 yards per carry. Add that to Thomas' remaining 14 carries for 35 yards and you have 24 carries for 50 yards at 2.0 yards per carry for the entire rest of the game. We killed drives with it.



After begrudgingly taking out the sack yards, you are now taking out our three best runs. If you take out our three good runs, the stats look even worse than they actually were. Great job, Sherlock!

And, yes, we passed more than we ran. And, yes, I am not saying our offense is good. We are severely hindered by the poor blocking. I agree that really good offensive coordinator would likely improve this with scheme and play calling.
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When Jahvid Best was a senior at Salesian, they played against my old high school. He ran for something like 385 yards total as I recall but take away his six longest runs and they held him to under 5 yards per carry!
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When Jahvid Best was a senior at Salesian, they played against my old high school. He ran for something like 385 yards total as I recall but take away his six longest runs and they held him to under 5 yards per carry!
Exactly. You can't do that. Most RBs have several runs that stand out from the others most games.

The running game and pass protection are not good right now. No need to go through artificial means to make it look even worse.
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oski003 said:

calumnus said:

MoragaBear said:

Big C said:


I heard that we got sacked six times against Pitt.

This brings up an interesting point: College stats, as reported until recently, always had the QB sacks mixed into the rushing totals, which is more "pure" but less instructive. The NFL classified sacks differently (separately?).

Now, when I see game stats, sometimes the QB sacks are classified differently. Or is this my imagination? Anyway, they ought to standardize it, one way or another.

The official rushing stats always includes sack yards. The sack adjusted rushing total is 99 yards and Thomas had 72 yards on 17 carries (4.2 ypc).


The Jet had 37 yards (more than half of his total) on three carries in the opening scoring drive (that started out with passing to Endries off of play action on first down).

We had 10 carries from Cardwell, Calloway and Rogers for 15 yards total, so 1.5 yards per carry. Add that to Thomas' remaining 14 carries for 35 yards and you have 24 carries for 50 yards at 2.0 yards per carry for the entire rest of the game. We killed drives with it.



After begrudgingly taking out the sack yards, you are now taking out our three best runs. If you take out our three good runs, the stats look even worse than they actually were. Great job, Sherlock!

And, yes, we passed more than we ran. And, yes, I am not saying our offense is good. We are severely hindered by the poor blocking. I agree that really good offensive coordinator would likely improve this with scheme and play calling.


The offense was good on the opening drive, including play action on first down and getting the ball to the Jet outside for big gains.

The offense the rest of the game was severely hindered by running up the middle for little or no gain on first and second down forcing too many third and longs. And even a few running up the middle on third and long.

We were extremely good with Mendoza passing down field, especially to the TEs, especially if on early downs but even on many third and longs.

Yes, if we had a better OL, predictably running up the middle so much might make sense, but we don't, so it doesn't. We are not magically going to get a great OL this year so we need to game plan accordingly.

There are things we do extremely well: 1) Mendoza throwing downfield, especially on early downs, especially to the TEs off play action and running our speed backs outside (though they may now be injured). We just need to do more of what we do well and A LOT less of what we don't do well. If Mendoza is hot, stick with him. If they can't cover Endries, throw to him. And keep throwing to him until they show they can stop it.

We have the #90 offense in the country. We are 3-3 (0-3). Last year we were #48 in offense. If we just had the #75 offense we could be 6-0 (3-0).
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oski003 said:

calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
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Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?


Point taken. Bloesch's schemes are not working.


What is crazy is he has stretches thst work, where we throw off play action to the TEs on first down for big gains, and fast scores, but then we go back to running up the middle on first down. The outside run for the Jet with the TE sealing went for a big gain.

Just stick with what is working until they show they can stop it. Make them expect play action to the TE on first down and then hit a WR even deeper. Then look the TE off and hit the RB out of the backfield. Get them on their heals, expecting playsction pass and THEN run up the middle. Mendoza was on fire throwing downfield even on third and long with pressure unless he was sacked first. Give Mendoza a chance to throw when it is not an obvious passing situation.

And here is what is really crazy. A quick strike offense would actually go well with this defense, Our weakness is run defense, but our strength is pass defense, especially takeaways. Scoring points quickly through Mendoza's downfield passing would force the other team into passing too, giving up more takeaways to get the ball for the offense. This trying to be a plodding midwestern team of 50 years ago, trying to nurse a lead and run out the clock for an entire quarter or even a half is just not what this team is built for.


We called more passing plays than running plays. We passed 37 times in a game where we only scored 15 points. It appears Bloesch is trying to do much of what you are asking, but the OL and QB make too many bad plays, and we don't have a running back who is getting yardage when facing defenders in the backfield.


The official stats show 27 of 37 passing for 272 yards and 40 rushing attempts for 63 yards so more rushes than passes, but that is immaterial.

7.3 yards per pass attempt

1.6 yards per run attempt

It is not rocket science to say we were more effective throwing and should have thrown more.

And that was with Mendoza often forced to throw on third and long because of running up the middle for no gain on first and second. Or throwing short swing passes to the RB on first down when the D is keying on our RB. The few times we threw to the TE on first down off play action we drove the field and scored. The few big running plays were when we got the RB outside.

Ineffective drives were characterized by running up the middle for nothing on first, second, even third and long,

So yes, there were some good things in there, but after Bloesch finds something that works (Mendoza throwing the the TE off play action on 1st down) we would too often go back to what didn't work, killing the drive. And we still could have won at the end if we just kept driving instead of playing for the long FG.


We called more than 37 passing plays. Many runs were actually sacks or scrambles off broken plays. We got sacked a ton. If you move the sack losses away from runs and into negative pass plays, the stats are much different. Counting that towards our rush average instead of our pass average is being purposely misleading. How many times did we get sacked last game?


We were sacked 6 times, again mostly on third and long caused by running up the middle for little gain on first and second. While I agree a sack is a failed pass play I also consider a swing pass attempt to Ott on first down essentially a run play. Again, I am talking about a Mendoza throwing more than 10 yards down field.

If you offset the 6 sacks with the few long runs outside that still leaves more than 30 runs up the middle for about 1 yard per carry.


Yeah, that's not what happened. We didn't run up the middle 31+ times. We called less than 30 running plays total. In fact, we only handed it off to a running back 20 times.

Looking at each play manually (somewhat error prone) we get the following:

First down plays:
10 yard pass
6 yard run
1 yard run
8 yard run (holding penalty)
4 yard run
21 yard run (TD)
9 yard pass
Incomplete Pass
9 yard pass
3 yard run
1 yard run
14 yard pass
Incomplete pass
1 yard run (Rodgers run)
0 yard run
12 yard pass
1 yard run
Incomplete pass (12 man penalty on Pitt)
7 yard pass
0 yard run
5 yard run
0 yard pass
-3 yard sack
Incomplete pass
-6 yard sack
20 yard pass
2 yard run
1 yard run
19 yard pass (TD)
7 yard run
7 yard pass
-1 yard run
7 yard run
0 yard run
Incomplete Pass (last desperation drive)

Second down plays:
12 yard run
Incomplete pass (2nd and 19)
-3 yard run
1 yard run (holding)
1 yard run
4 yard run
3 yard pass
6 yard pass
1 yard pass
4 yard pass (pitt 15 yard penalty)
-3 yard run (Rodgers run)
6 yard pass
2 yard run
-2 yard pass
-2 yard run
incomplete pass (holding on Cal)
13 yard pass
4 yard run
2 yard run
Incomplete pass
9 yard run
27 yard pass
2 yard run
4 yard run
-3 yard sack
4 yard run
1 yard run
Incomplete Pass (last desperation drive)

Third down plays:
23 yard pass (3rd and 19)
11 yard pass (3rd and 9)
11 yard pass (3rd and 9)
5 yard pass (3rd and 6)
0 yard run (3rd and 1)
Incomplete pass (3rd and 8) (pass interference)
6 yard pass (3rd and 12)
6 yard pass (3rd and 4)
21 yard pass (3rd and 7)
-8 yard sack (3rd and 12)
Incomplete pass (3rd and 12) (roughing the passer)
Incomplete pass (3rd and 7)
-8 yard sack (3rd and 9)
Incomplete pass (3rd and 8)
-8 yard sack (3rd and 16)
13 yard pass (3rd and 1)
Incomplete pass (3rd and 14) (roughing the passer)
2 yard run (Rodgers) (3rd and 9)
Incomplete Pass (last desperation drive) (3rd and 15)

Overall:

First down:
18 running plays, 67 yards (3.72 yards per run)
10/15 passing, 107 yards (7.13 yards per pass)
2 sacks for -9 yards.
Total passing attempts including sacks: 98 yards on 17 plays (5.76 yards per passing play)

Second down:
15 running plays, 38 yards (2.53 yards per run)
8/12 passing, 49 yards (4.08 yards per pass)
1 sack for -3 yards.
Total passing attempts including sacks: 46 yards on 13 plays (3.54 yards per passing play)

Third down:

2 rushes for 3 yards (1.5 yards per run)
8/14 passing, 96 yards (6.86 yards per pass)
3 sacks for -24 yards
Total passing attempts including sacks: 72 yards on 17 plays (4.24 yards per passing play)

Interesting tidbits here:

We face third and long WAY WAY TOO OFTEN.

We faced 3rd and 5 or more yards 16 times.
We faced 3rd and 9 or more yards 11 times.
We faced 3rd and less than 5 yards 3 times.
We rushed on 3rd down twice all game.
We started 7 for 8 on 3rd down passing plays, with 5 of those 8 completions resulting in a first down. The incompletion was a result of pass interference and also resulted in a first down, so 6 of the first 8 first down passing plays resulted in a first down.
We then went 1 for 6 on 3rd down with 3 sacks. The 1 completion was on third and 1 and went for 13 yards.

We were successful running the ball on first down early (40 of 67 yards rushing on first down came on the first drive.
We were NOT successful running the ball on first down after the first drive (27 yards on 14 plays)
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MrGPAC said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

calumnus said:

Bowlesman80 said:

alarsuel said:

Bowlesman80 said:

gobears15 said:

Bowlesman80 said:

I have to add.
Another upside is that we are competitive versus Top Twenty and/or uber-talented teams this year. Contrast that with just last year.
*waits for rainfall of angry comments.

Sure, but I can't ignore how bad our fundamentals are on offense. Refer to my previous post for our rankings in sacks allowed, penalties per game, and rushing offense.

Our defense and our DBs in particular have kept us in games. The problem is we're executing at most 1 or 2 consistent offensive drives per game.
Our defense is elite. Yes, they make a huge difference.
Offense is damned good except for the inconsistency of the Oline. Mendoza is getting salty.


Offense is WHAT!?!?


Contrasted with the two previous years.


Last year we were #48 in scoring. This year we are #98.

We are #100 in yards per play. #97 in first downs.

Last year we were #46 in Rushing, #47 in yards per carry. This year we are #103 in Rushing and #115 in yards per carry.

All this with a MUCH improved Fernando Mendoza taking nearly every snap and excellent talent at every skill position.

There are a few things this offense does incredibly well: 1) Fernando throwing 15-30 yards downfield, especially between the hashes, especially to the TEs, 2) Fast RBs running outside for big gains in space and to a more limited extent, 3) Fernando running outside for a first down if nothing is open. The few times we have used misdirection when it makes sense (play action on 1st down, not third and long) it has worked incredibly well.

There are a number of things this offense does very poorly: 1) Run between the tackles, 2) screen passes and short passes (just not Fernando's strong suit) 3) sweeps or anything that requires slow OL to get in front of our fast RBs, 4) RPO, it just slows down our running plays negating our speed and is really best with a QB that is a better runner and might keep it and 5) Any play that requires Fernando to sit in the pocket and make multiple reads.

So the OC just needs to put together a game plan that emphasizes what we do best and stop repeatedly trying to do the things we don't do well.
Well, I guess you were able to articulate what I meant about improved offense. Nando is much improved with his accuracy, quick release, mobility, distance, and more. And the most notable thing is far, far, less turnovers, which were killing Nando last year. It's hard to say if Nando has the QB coach to thank for his improving QB performance; it might be more to Nando going to the Manning Camp over the Summer. I did not know our stats were that far regressed. The most glaring problem is the Oline- again. The Oline was better coached last year. Let's hope adjustments are made;
Last year we also had the benefit of Spavital's AIr Raid quick passing offense that does not put as much pressure on the OL. As in 2016, when we lead the PAC-12 in offense, we used quick passing to set up the run with Ott leading the conference in rushing. Was our OL great in 2016?


Point taken. Bloesch's schemes are not working.


What is crazy is he has stretches thst work, where we throw off play action to the TEs on first down for big gains, and fast scores, but then we go back to running up the middle on first down. The outside run for the Jet with the TE sealing went for a big gain.

Just stick with what is working until they show they can stop it. Make them expect play action to the TE on first down and then hit a WR even deeper. Then look the TE off and hit the RB out of the backfield. Get them on their heals, expecting playsction pass and THEN run up the middle. Mendoza was on fire throwing downfield even on third and long with pressure unless he was sacked first. Give Mendoza a chance to throw when it is not an obvious passing situation.

And here is what is really crazy. A quick strike offense would actually go well with this defense, Our weakness is run defense, but our strength is pass defense, especially takeaways. Scoring points quickly through Mendoza's downfield passing would force the other team into passing too, giving up more takeaways to get the ball for the offense. This trying to be a plodding midwestern team of 50 years ago, trying to nurse a lead and run out the clock for an entire quarter or even a half is just not what this team is built for.


We called more passing plays than running plays. We passed 37 times in a game where we only scored 15 points. It appears Bloesch is trying to do much of what you are asking, but the OL and QB make too many bad plays, and we don't have a running back who is getting yardage when facing defenders in the backfield.


The official stats show 27 of 37 passing for 272 yards and 40 rushing attempts for 63 yards so more rushes than passes, but that is immaterial.

7.3 yards per pass attempt

1.6 yards per run attempt

It is not rocket science to say we were more effective throwing and should have thrown more.

And that was with Mendoza often forced to throw on third and long because of running up the middle for no gain on first and second. Or throwing short swing passes to the RB on first down when the D is keying on our RB. The few times we threw to the TE on first down off play action we drove the field and scored. The few big running plays were when we got the RB outside.

Ineffective drives were characterized by running up the middle for nothing on first, second, even third and long,

So yes, there were some good things in there, but after Bloesch finds something that works (Mendoza throwing the the TE off play action on 1st down) we would too often go back to what didn't work, killing the drive. And we still could have won at the end if we just kept driving instead of playing for the long FG.


We called more than 37 passing plays. Many runs were actually sacks or scrambles off broken plays. We got sacked a ton. If you move the sack losses away from runs and into negative pass plays, the stats are much different. Counting that towards our rush average instead of our pass average is being purposely misleading. How many times did we get sacked last game?


We were sacked 6 times, again mostly on third and long caused by running up the middle for little gain on first and second. While I agree a sack is a failed pass play I also consider a swing pass attempt to Ott on first down essentially a run play. Again, I am talking about a Mendoza throwing more than 10 yards down field.

If you offset the 6 sacks with the few long runs outside that still leaves more than 30 runs up the middle for about 1 yard per carry.


Yeah, that's not what happened. We didn't run up the middle 31+ times. We called less than 30 running plays total. In fact, we only handed it off to a running back 20 times.

Looking at each play manually (somewhat error prone) we get the following:

First down plays:
10 yard pass
6 yard run
1 yard run
8 yard run (holding penalty)
4 yard run
21 yard run (TD)
9 yard pass
Incomplete Pass
9 yard pass
3 yard run
1 yard run
14 yard pass
Incomplete pass
1 yard run (Rodgers run)
0 yard run
12 yard pass
1 yard run
Incomplete pass (12 man penalty on Pitt)
7 yard pass
0 yard run
5 yard run
0 yard pass
-3 yard sack
Incomplete pass
-6 yard sack
20 yard pass
2 yard run
1 yard run
19 yard pass (TD)
7 yard run
7 yard pass
-1 yard run
7 yard run
0 yard run
Incomplete Pass (last desperation drive)

Second down plays:
12 yard run
Incomplete pass (2nd and 19)
-3 yard run
1 yard run (holding)
1 yard run
4 yard run
3 yard pass
6 yard pass
1 yard pass
4 yard pass (pitt 15 yard penalty)
-3 yard run (Rodgers run)
6 yard pass
2 yard run
-2 yard pass
-2 yard run
incomplete pass (holding on Cal)
13 yard pass
4 yard run
2 yard run
Incomplete pass
9 yard run
27 yard pass
2 yard run
4 yard run
-3 yard sack
4 yard run
1 yard run
Incomplete Pass (last desperation drive)

Third down plays:
23 yard pass (3rd and 19)
11 yard pass (3rd and 9)
11 yard pass (3rd and 9)
5 yard pass (3rd and 6)
0 yard run (3rd and 1)
Incomplete pass (3rd and 8) (pass interference)
6 yard pass (3rd and 12)
6 yard pass (3rd and 4)
21 yard pass (3rd and 7)
-8 yard sack (3rd and 12)
Incomplete pass (3rd and 12) (roughing the passer)
Incomplete pass (3rd and 7)
-8 yard sack (3rd and 9)
Incomplete pass (3rd and 8)
-8 yard sack (3rd and 16)
13 yard pass (3rd and 1)
Incomplete pass (3rd and 14) (roughing the passer)
2 yard run (Rodgers) (3rd and 9)
Incomplete Pass (last desperation drive) (3rd and 15)

Overall:

First down:
18 running plays, 67 yards (3.72 yards per run)
10/15 passing, 107 yards (7.13 yards per pass)
2 sacks for -9 yards.
Total passing attempts including sacks: 98 yards on 17 plays (5.76 yards per passing play)

Second down:
15 running plays, 38 yards (2.53 yards per run)
8/12 passing, 49 yards (4.08 yards per pass)
1 sack for -3 yards.
Total passing attempts including sacks: 46 yards on 13 plays (3.54 yards per passing play)

Third down:

2 rushes for 3 yards (1.5 yards per run)
8/14 passing, 96 yards (6.86 yards per pass)
3 sacks for -24 yards
Total passing attempts including sacks: 72 yards on 17 plays (4.24 yards per passing play)

Interesting tidbits here:

We face third and long WAY WAY TOO OFTEN.

We faced 3rd and 5 or more yards 16 times.
We faced 3rd and 9 or more yards 11 times.
We faced 3rd and less than 5 yards 3 times.
We rushed on 3rd down twice all game.
We started 7 for 8 on 3rd down passing plays, with 5 of those 8 completions resulting in a first down. The incompletion was a result of pass interference and also resulted in a first down, so 6 of the first 8 first down passing plays resulted in a first down.
We then went 1 for 6 on 3rd down with 3 sacks. The 1 completion was on third and 1 and went for 13 yards.

We were successful running the ball on first down early (40 of 67 yards rushing on first down came on the first drive.
We were NOT successful running the ball on first down after the first drive (27 yards on 14 plays)



These are good stats, but it is important to note that we called more passing plays on first down than running plays. We got sacked twice on first down and once on second down. These early down sacks hurt drives and contributed to these third and longs.
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calumnus said:

oski003 said:

calumnus said:

MoragaBear said:

Big C said:


I heard that we got sacked six times against Pitt.

This brings up an interesting point: College stats, as reported until recently, always had the QB sacks mixed into the rushing totals, which is more "pure" but less instructive. The NFL classified sacks differently (separately?).

Now, when I see game stats, sometimes the QB sacks are classified differently. Or is this my imagination? Anyway, they ought to standardize it, one way or another.

The official rushing stats always includes sack yards. The sack adjusted rushing total is 99 yards and Thomas had 72 yards on 17 carries (4.2 ypc).


The Jet had 37 yards (more than half of his total) on three carries in the opening scoring drive (that started out with passing to Endries off of play action on first down).

We had 10 carries from Cardwell, Calloway and Rogers for 15 yards total, so 1.5 yards per carry. Add that to Thomas' remaining 14 carries for 35 yards and you have 24 carries for 50 yards at 2.0 yards per carry for the entire rest of the game. We killed drives with it.



After begrudgingly taking out the sack yards, you are now taking out our three best runs. If you take out our three good runs, the stats look even worse than they actually were. Great job, Sherlock!

And, yes, we passed more than we ran. And, yes, I am not saying our offense is good. We are severely hindered by the poor blocking. I agree that really good offensive coordinator would likely improve this with scheme and play calling.


The offense was good on the opening drive, including play action on first down and getting the ball to the Jet outside for big gains.

The offense the rest of the game was severely hindered by running up the middle for little or no gain on first and second down forcing too many third and longs. And even a few running up the middle on third and long.

From a prior post:
We were sacked 6 times, again mostly on third and long caused by running up the middle for little gain on first and second.


If you offset the 6 sacks with the few long runs outside that still leaves more than 30 runs up the middle for about 1 yard per carry.
2nd drive
-pass
-pitch right
-run that started off RT but cut up middle
-pass
-pass
-run up middle for 4
-pass
(one called run up the middle)

3rd drive
-pass
-pass
-run up middle for 3
-pass
-QB sneak on 3rd and 1 up middle
(one run up middle)

4th drive
-run off RT
-pass
-pass
-pass
-pass
-pass
-Rogers keeper up middle
-sack
-pass
-field goal
(one run up middle)

5th drive
-run up middle
-pass
-pass
-run up middle
-scramble
-pass
-pass
-pass
-run off RT
-pass
-sack
(2 runs up middle)

6th drive
-run off RT
-run off RT
-pass
-pass
-pass
-pass
-pass
(no runs up middle)

7th drive
-sack
-run up middle for 4
-sack
(1 run up middle for 4)

8th drive
-pass
-run up middle for 3
-pass
(1 run up middle)

9th drive
-sack
-pass
-sack
(no runs up middle)

10th drive
-pass
-run up middle for 2
-run off RT
-run up middle for 1
-pass
-TD pass
-pitch on 2 pt conversion attempt
(2 runs up middle)

11th drive
-end around
-run off LT
-pass
-run up middle for 4, picked up first down
-sack
-sack
-pass
-run up middle for 7
-run up middle for 3, picked up first down
-run up middle for no gain
-QB keeper up middle for 2
-missed field goal
(5 runs up middle)

12th drive
-pass
-pass
-pass
-pass
(no runs up middle)

I don't think anyone was happy with the overall playcalling but they didn't run up the middle even remotely as often as suggested, nowhere near 30 times. And they only ran up the middle on 1st and 2nd down once at the end of the game trying to use clock. I'd have preferred them to be more aggressive there.

There were 14 called runs up the middle. 1 went for 7, 1 went for 4 and a first down, one went for 3 and a first down. Three others went for 4 and one for 3. One was a QB keeper on 3rd and one.

So of the 14 up the middle, 2 gained first downs, one gained 7 and three more gained 4. 6 of the 14 were successful. 8 were not. That tells a much different story.

The playcalling that bothered me the most was throwing behind the sticks so often on 2nd and 3rd down, relying on receivers to pick up the first down on YAC. It failed way too often.
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Does anyone know our actual success rate on 2pt conversions? This year? Since COVID season? Under Wilcox? I'm very curious but this is a hard stat to track down. All I could find quickly was a listing of 2pt attempts converted, but nothing about failed attempts. The play-by-play for the Pitt game doesn't even label them as 2pt conversions. Just "pass incomplete" etc. Aside from Wilcox' obvious fundamental lack of understanding of the very basics of how statistics work (no Justin, 50-50 does not mean if you miss the first you should make the second!) it would be nice to know the actual success rate Cal can historically expect. I don't have time to ferret it out right now but I will eventually. Just wondering if anyone already knows..
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