WalterSobchak said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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chazzed said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Williams recommitted to Cal

Go Bears!!!

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...and de-recommited from Cal. The young man seems a bit indecisive. His loss.

In any case, go Bears!

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Sounds like used car salesman Sonny did some smooth talking. I can honestly say this now: I want kids who buy what Wilcox is selling. He can explain why he turned down Oregon and decent, hardworking kids will relate. I know, pollyanna. Sue me.

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It's not pollyanna, it's smart. I'm glad this kid isn't coming since he obviously didn't want to be here. From the quotes he gave TOS it's clear his family disagrees but they aren't the ones who need to go out and perform on Saturdays. He'll find out soon enough what it's like to play in a Sonny Dykes defense. Best of luck to him, he's gonna need it.

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WalterSobchak said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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chazzed said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Williams recommitted to Cal

Go Bears!!!

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...and de-recommited from Cal. The young man seems a bit indecisive. His loss.

In any case, go Bears!

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Sounds like used car salesman Sonny did some smooth talking. I can honestly say this now: I want kids who buy what Wilcox is selling. He can explain why he turned down Oregon and decent, hardworking kids will relate. I know, pollyanna. Sue me.

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It's not pollyanna, it's smart. I'm glad this kid isn't coming since he obviously didn't want to be here. From the quotes he gave TOS it's clear his family disagrees but they aren't the ones who need to go out and perform on Saturdays. He'll find out soon enough what it's like to play in a Sonny Dykes defense. Best of luck to him, he's gonna need it.

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KenBurnski said:

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A bummer but hopefully we snag him down the road and enjoy his services during his most beastly years. Recruiting is a magical and mysterious land filled with trickery. "It's an illusion, Michael. A trick is something a [lady of ill repute] does for money." #GobsPlan

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chazzed said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Williams recommitted to Cal

Go Bears!!!

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...and de-recommited from Cal. The young man seems a bit indecisive. His loss.

In any case, go Bears!

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HighlandDutch said:

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chazzed said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Williams recommitted to Cal

Go Bears!!!

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...and de-recommited from Cal. The young man seems a bit indecisive. His loss.

In any case, go Bears!

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Is the consensus that he out-Loriged Erik Lorig? I always thought that was one of those unbreakable records, like Cy Young's 511 career wins, Hack Wilson's 191 RBIs in one season or Wilt Chamberlain having slept with 20,000 women, but maybe not.

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71Bear said:

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HighlandDutch said:

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chazzed said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Williams recommitted to Cal

Go Bears!!!

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...and de-recommited from Cal. The young man seems a bit indecisive. His loss.

In any case, go Bears!

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Is the consensus that he out-Loriged Erik Lorig? I always thought that was one of those unbreakable records, like Cy Young's 511 career wins, Hack Wilson's 191 RBIs in one season or Wilt Chamberlain having slept with 20,000 women, but maybe not.

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Maybe. But no one with break Blanchard's Mother's Day record. It is absolutely unreachable…..

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Chapman_is_Gone said:

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KenBurnski said:

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A bummer but hopefully we snag him down the road and enjoy his services during his most beastly years. Recruiting is a magical and mysterious land filled with trickery. "It's an illusion, Michael. A trick is something a [lady of ill repute] does for money." #GobsPlan

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When dude realizes in four years that he can't get a good job with a TCU degree, perhaps he'll open up a banana stand.

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71Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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burritos said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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maxer said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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You ever meet a couple who broke up when they were young and then got married anyway?

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The next day?

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Ahem.

Apparently it isn't always Sonny in Berkeley, as it appears Damonic Williams will sign with Cal tomorrow. Big turn of events for the Bears over the last few hours. Signing day is always a fun time

— Cal Rivals (@CalRivals) December 15, 2021

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If Wilcox can get any winning traction at all he is going to pull recruits and assistants. What he did rejecting Oregon is a big deal.

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Agree.

Oregon loses its HC to a former FBS contender looking to become a contender again. Oregon then goes all out for a quality HC. Contrary to derogatory comments
that are posted on this board, Oregon decides that Wilcox is to be its savior and values his skill set much higher than many of the posters on this board do.

Oregon can out bid Cal for Wilcox's services.
(I thought that Wilcox was gone. How likely is it that Cal can keep a HC if UO, USC or UW really wants that coach. Answer: 0% chance.)
Miracle of miracles: Wilcox stays and asks for more money……..,for his assistant coaches. Thus improving his ability to keep or hire the assistant coaches he wants.
This is a win for The assistant coaches. A win for the players. A win for Cal Football's reputation. A win for Wilcox since his reputation sky rockets. And a win for Cal. The only people who are not happy are those that wanted to fire Wilcox.

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And will never, ever ever, never, ever, for a long time be happy, till eternity, will be happy.

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I don't think anyone hates Wilcox, not like many hated Dykes. I think everyone likes him personally and would be ecstatic if he succeeds. The only thing that divides the fan base is the issue of how likely his success is. If you think the people who want to move on from Wilcox will never be happy it must mean you believe, like they fear, that Wilcox will be here for a long time but will never be successful.

I am happy he is using his leverage to get money to build a strong organization. I wish zyedford had done that. I would hope it was for guys better than Wilvox's Duck buddies, but it is the right thing to do. There is much to like about him. His approach and philosophy is one that I support and identify with (unlike Fox for example). Wilcox is a good fit for Cal. Most of his mistakes are football based. When he talks about it you can tell he has very little sense of offense. I'm not sure that is changing.

The only question is, are we better off trying someone new? It seems moot now. Wilcox is our coach for the foreseeable future, we can only hope the opinions of his most optimistic supporters prove true.

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Well said…

My only concern about him is, "Can he recruit the kind of players that will put Cal in a position to be consistently competitive with the big boys?" To date, he has not demonstrated that ability.

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Big Dog said:

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71Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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burritos said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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maxer said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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You ever meet a couple who broke up when they were young and then got married anyway?

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The next day?

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Ahem.

Apparently it isn't always Sonny in Berkeley, as it appears Damonic Williams will sign with Cal tomorrow. Big turn of events for the Bears over the last few hours. Signing day is always a fun time

— Cal Rivals (@CalRivals) December 15, 2021

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If Wilcox can get any winning traction at all he is going to pull recruits and assistants. What he did rejecting Oregon is a big deal.

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Agree.

Oregon loses its HC to a former FBS contender looking to become a contender again. Oregon then goes all out for a quality HC. Contrary to derogatory comments
that are posted on this board, Oregon decides that Wilcox is to be its savior and values his skill set much higher than many of the posters on this board do.

Oregon can out bid Cal for Wilcox's services.
(I thought that Wilcox was gone. How likely is it that Cal can keep a HC if UO, USC or UW really wants that coach. Answer: 0% chance.)
Miracle of miracles: Wilcox stays and asks for more money……..,for his assistant coaches. Thus improving his ability to keep or hire the assistant coaches he wants.
This is a win for The assistant coaches. A win for the players. A win for Cal Football's reputation. A win for Wilcox since his reputation sky rockets. And a win for Cal. The only people who are not happy are those that wanted to fire Wilcox.

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And will never, ever ever, never, ever, for a long time be happy, till eternity, will be happy.

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I don't think anyone hates Wilcox, not like many hated Dykes. I think everyone likes him personally and would be ecstatic if he succeeds. The only thing that divides the fan base is the issue of how likely his success is. If you think the people who want to move on from Wilcox will never be happy it must mean you believe, like they fear, that Wilcox will be here for a long time but will never be successful.

I am happy he is using his leverage to get money to build a strong organization. I wish zyedford had done that. I would hope it was for guys better than Wilvox's Duck buddies, but it is the right thing to do. There is much to like about him. His approach and philosophy is one that I support and identify with (unlike Fox for example). Wilcox is a good fit for Cal. Most of his mistakes are football based. When he talks about it you can tell he has very little sense of offense. I'm not sure that is changing.

The only question is, are we better off trying someone new? It seems moot now. Wilcox is our coach for the foreseeable future, we can only hope the opinions of his most optimistic supporters prove true.

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Well said…

My only concern about him is, "Can he recruit the kind of players that will put Cal in a position to be consistently competitive with the big boys?" To date, he has not demonstrated that ability.

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Exactly. The talent differential between us and UC Southern Branch and us and USC was noticeable from the 1st plays of the respective games. If the Trojans had not 'phoned it in', they would have won easily.

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HighlandDutch said:

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chazzed said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Williams recommitted to Cal

Go Bears!!!

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...and de-recommited from Cal. The young man seems a bit indecisive. His loss.

In any case, go Bears!

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Is the consensus that he out-Loriged Erik Lorig? I always thought that was one of those unbreakable records, like Cy Young's 511 career wins, Hack Wilson's 191 RBIs in one season or Wilt Chamberlain having slept with 20,000 women, but maybe not.

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BearGoggles said:

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HighlandDutch said:

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chazzed said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Williams recommitted to Cal

Go Bears!!!

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...and de-recommited from Cal. The young man seems a bit indecisive. His loss.

In any case, go Bears!

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Is the consensus that he out-Loriged Erik Lorig? I always thought that was one of those unbreakable records, like Cy Young's 511 career wins, Hack Wilson's 191 RBIs in one season or Wilt Chamberlain having slept with 20,000 women, but maybe not.

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Not even close to Lorig. As I recall, the Lorig saga dragged on well past LOI day.

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calumnus said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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Big Dog said:

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71Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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burritos said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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maxer said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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You ever meet a couple who broke up when they were young and then got married anyway?

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The next day?

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Ahem.

Apparently it isn't always Sonny in Berkeley, as it appears Damonic Williams will sign with Cal tomorrow. Big turn of events for the Bears over the last few hours. Signing day is always a fun time

— Cal Rivals (@CalRivals) December 15, 2021

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If Wilcox can get any winning traction at all he is going to pull recruits and assistants. What he did rejecting Oregon is a big deal.

---

Agree.

Oregon loses its HC to a former FBS contender looking to become a contender again. Oregon then goes all out for a quality HC. Contrary to derogatory comments
that are posted on this board, Oregon decides that Wilcox is to be its savior and values his skill set much higher than many of the posters on this board do.

Oregon can out bid Cal for Wilcox's services.
(I thought that Wilcox was gone. How likely is it that Cal can keep a HC if UO, USC or UW really wants that coach. Answer: 0% chance.)
Miracle of miracles: Wilcox stays and asks for more money……..,for his assistant coaches. Thus improving his ability to keep or hire the assistant coaches he wants.
This is a win for The assistant coaches. A win for the players. A win for Cal Football's reputation. A win for Wilcox since his reputation sky rockets. And a win for Cal. The only people who are not happy are those that wanted to fire Wilcox.

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And will never, ever ever, never, ever, for a long time be happy, till eternity, will be happy.

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I don't think anyone hates Wilcox, not like many hated Dykes. I think everyone likes him personally and would be ecstatic if he succeeds. The only thing that divides the fan base is the issue of how likely his success is. If you think the people who want to move on from Wilcox will never be happy it must mean you believe, like they fear, that Wilcox will be here for a long time but will never be successful.

I am happy he is using his leverage to get money to build a strong organization. I wish zyedford had done that. I would hope it was for guys better than Wilvox's Duck buddies, but it is the right thing to do. There is much to like about him. His approach and philosophy is one that I support and identify with (unlike Fox for example). Wilcox is a good fit for Cal. Most of his mistakes are football based. When he talks about it you can tell he has very little sense of offense. I'm not sure that is changing.

The only question is, are we better off trying someone new? It seems moot now. Wilcox is our coach for the foreseeable future, we can only hope the opinions of his most optimistic supporters prove true.

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Well said…

My only concern about him is, "Can he recruit the kind of players that will put Cal in a position to be consistently competitive with the big boys?" To date, he has not demonstrated that ability.

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Exactly. The talent differential between us and UC Southern Branch and us and USC was noticeable from the 1st plays of the respective games. If the Trojans had not 'phoned it in', they would have won easily.

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I agree that ucla and $c have more talent, but disagree that $c would have won easily if they did not mail it in. $c moved the ball well between to 20s for the most part and had 25 first downs, but we made more big plays and our D was very good in the red zone. $c did not phone it in on the fumble and return for a td. Hicks made a great hit on the a ball and Paster made a great play to scoop it up quickly and return it. The $c qb did not phone it in when he fumbled. Scott had great timing on the blitz and hit the qb hard. $c did not phone it in when it did not convert on 4th down. Hearns had good coverage. We re-took the lead in the second quarter and led the rest of the game. We were up 24-7 in the fourth quarter until $c scored a td at the end of the game. It may have seemed close because $c moved the ball well and we might have been expecting $c to come back, but we won by a good margin (10 points) even with the last minute td.

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USC had fired their HC, the other coaches were in the midst of looking for and interviewing for their next job and USC was missing 20 players, especially senior starters with NFL prospects, who did not make the trip. It definitely would have been different if the game was played earlier as scheduled. Big thanks to the City of Berkeley for the assist!

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Rushinbear said:

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calumnus said:

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GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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Big Dog said:

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71Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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burritos said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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maxer said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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You ever meet a couple who broke up when they were young and then got married anyway?

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The next day?

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Ahem.

Apparently it isn't always Sonny in Berkeley, as it appears Damonic Williams will sign with Cal tomorrow. Big turn of events for the Bears over the last few hours. Signing day is always a fun time

— Cal Rivals (@CalRivals) December 15, 2021

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If Wilcox can get any winning traction at all he is going to pull recruits and assistants. What he did rejecting Oregon is a big deal.

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Agree.

Oregon loses its HC to a former FBS contender looking to become a contender again. Oregon then goes all out for a quality HC. Contrary to derogatory comments
that are posted on this board, Oregon decides that Wilcox is to be its savior and values his skill set much higher than many of the posters on this board do.

Oregon can out bid Cal for Wilcox's services.
(I thought that Wilcox was gone. How likely is it that Cal can keep a HC if UO, USC or UW really wants that coach. Answer: 0% chance.)
Miracle of miracles: Wilcox stays and asks for more money……..,for his assistant coaches. Thus improving his ability to keep or hire the assistant coaches he wants.
This is a win for The assistant coaches. A win for the players. A win for Cal Football's reputation. A win for Wilcox since his reputation sky rockets. And a win for Cal. The only people who are not happy are those that wanted to fire Wilcox.

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And will never, ever ever, never, ever, for a long time be happy, till eternity, will be happy.

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I don't think anyone hates Wilcox, not like many hated Dykes. I think everyone likes him personally and would be ecstatic if he succeeds. The only thing that divides the fan base is the issue of how likely his success is. If you think the people who want to move on from Wilcox will never be happy it must mean you believe, like they fear, that Wilcox will be here for a long time but will never be successful.

I am happy he is using his leverage to get money to build a strong organization. I wish zyedford had done that. I would hope it was for guys better than Wilvox's Duck buddies, but it is the right thing to do. There is much to like about him. His approach and philosophy is one that I support and identify with (unlike Fox for example). Wilcox is a good fit for Cal. Most of his mistakes are football based. When he talks about it you can tell he has very little sense of offense. I'm not sure that is changing.

The only question is, are we better off trying someone new? It seems moot now. Wilcox is our coach for the foreseeable future, we can only hope the opinions of his most optimistic supporters prove true.

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Well said…

My only concern about him is, "Can he recruit the kind of players that will put Cal in a position to be consistently competitive with the big boys?" To date, he has not demonstrated that ability.

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Exactly. The talent differential between us and UC Southern Branch and us and USC was noticeable from the 1st plays of the respective games. If the Trojans had not 'phoned it in', they would have won easily.

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I agree that ucla and $c have more talent, but disagree that $c would have won easily if they did not mail it in. $c moved the ball well between to 20s for the most part and had 25 first downs, but we made more big plays and our D was very good in the red zone. $c did not phone it in on the fumble and return for a td. Hicks made a great hit on the a ball and Paster made a great play to scoop it up quickly and return it. The $c qb did not phone it in when he fumbled. Scott had great timing on the blitz and hit the qb hard. $c did not phone it in when it did not convert on 4th down. Hearns had good coverage. We re-took the lead in the second quarter and led the rest of the game. We were up 24-7 in the fourth quarter until $c scored a td at the end of the game. It may have seemed close because $c moved the ball well and we might have been expecting $c to come back, but we won by a good margin (10 points) even with the last minute td.

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USC had fired their HC, the other coaches were in the midst of looking for and interviewing for their next job and USC was missing 20 players, especially senior starters with NFL prospects, who did not make the trip. It definitely would have been different if the game was played earlier as scheduled. Big thanks to the City of Berkeley for the assist!

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You can't say that it would have been different. That assumes that Cal would have played exactly the same game as they did. The coaches wouldn't have schemed differently. The players wouldn't have played even better. You just don't know. Speculation is a waste of time and a distraction.

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GivemTheAxe said:

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Big Dog said:

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71Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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burritos said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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maxer said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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Why would he decommit if he was going to choose Cal?

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You ever meet a couple who broke up when they were young and then got married anyway?

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The next day?

---

Ahem.

Apparently it isn't always Sonny in Berkeley, as it appears Damonic Williams will sign with Cal tomorrow. Big turn of events for the Bears over the last few hours. Signing day is always a fun time

— Cal Rivals (@CalRivals) December 15, 2021

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If Wilcox can get any winning traction at all he is going to pull recruits and assistants. What he did rejecting Oregon is a big deal.

---

Agree.

Oregon loses its HC to a former FBS contender looking to become a contender again. Oregon then goes all out for a quality HC. Contrary to derogatory comments
that are posted on this board, Oregon decides that Wilcox is to be its savior and values his skill set much higher than many of the posters on this board do.

Oregon can out bid Cal for Wilcox's services.
(I thought that Wilcox was gone. How likely is it that Cal can keep a HC if UO, USC or UW really wants that coach. Answer: 0% chance.)
Miracle of miracles: Wilcox stays and asks for more money……..,for his assistant coaches. Thus improving his ability to keep or hire the assistant coaches he wants.
This is a win for The assistant coaches. A win for the players. A win for Cal Football's reputation. A win for Wilcox since his reputation sky rockets. And a win for Cal. The only people who are not happy are those that wanted to fire Wilcox.

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And will never, ever ever, never, ever, for a long time be happy, till eternity, will be happy.

---

I don't think anyone hates Wilcox, not like many hated Dykes. I think everyone likes him personally and would be ecstatic if he succeeds. The only thing that divides the fan base is the issue of how likely his success is. If you think the people who want to move on from Wilcox will never be happy it must mean you believe, like they fear, that Wilcox will be here for a long time but will never be successful.

I am happy he is using his leverage to get money to build a strong organization. I wish zyedford had done that. I would hope it was for guys better than Wilvox's Duck buddies, but it is the right thing to do. There is much to like about him. His approach and philosophy is one that I support and identify with (unlike Fox for example). Wilcox is a good fit for Cal. Most of his mistakes are football based. When he talks about it you can tell he has very little sense of offense. I'm not sure that is changing.

The only question is, are we better off trying someone new? It seems moot now. Wilcox is our coach for the foreseeable future, we can only hope the opinions of his most optimistic supporters prove true.

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Well said…

My only concern about him is, "Can he recruit the kind of players that will put Cal in a position to be consistently competitive with the big boys?" To date, he has not demonstrated that ability.

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Exactly. The talent differential between us and UC Southern Branch and us and USC was noticeable from the 1st plays of the respective games. If the Trojans had not 'phoned it in', they would have won easily.

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"Phoned it in"????
Did you even watch the game. uSC was playing hard. They were stopped by the Cal D. Dart was pretty hot most of the game. Quick and accurate
The usc receivers were good. But the Cal D was better.
Many passes were blocked or knocked down. Dart was rocked by some hard hits.
The one TD that Cal gave up early was due to a miscalculation by an overeager DB.
The Cal DB was going for a pick-6. But he mistimed his jump. Result was the receiver had a clear path for a a TD.
How many times did Cal stop USC in the red zone?

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