wifeisafurd said:

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Shocky1 said:

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econ, and that's apparently why chancellor chryst opted to directly handle the board of regents ucla matter without involving her athletic director

so it's kinda funny (and sad) to hear multiple fans/donors tell me that knowlton tole them that it wuz "50/50" that ucla would be blocked from joining the big 10 when it wuz really more like a less than .1% hail mary pass

the con artist got no problem making **** up, hopefully he'll give an update in the next knowlton notes re: the fundraising for the $125,00,000+ quidditch facility

still waiting for that bearinsider.com interview with the con artist & if he declines to do so the details of his avoidance tactics along with an editorial recommending the termination of the con artist

just a trick of the lights (watch the shells carefully)#

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I might add it was the Chancellor who directly met with donors on conference realignment, without Knowlton.

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this is what is known in the real world as a 100% lack of confidence vote which is akin to coach wilcox surreptitiously bringing in coach tim plough at the end of the 2022 season to handle play calling duties/design instead of billy m for the last couple of games

Shocky1 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Shocky1 said:

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econ, and that's apparently why chancellor chryst opted to directly handle the board of regents ucla matter without involving her athletic director

so it's kinda funny (and sad) to hear multiple fans/donors tell me that knowlton tole them that it wuz "50/50" that ucla would be blocked from joining the big 10 when it wuz really more like a less than .1% hail mary pass

the con artist got no problem making **** up, hopefully he'll give an update in the next knowlton notes re: the fundraising for the $125,00,000+ quidditch facility

still waiting for that bearinsider.com interview with the con artist & if he declines to do so the details of his avoidance tactics along with an editorial recommending the termination of the con artist

just a trick of the lights (watch the shells carefully)#

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I might add it was the Chancellor who directly met with donors on conference realignment, without Knowlton.

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this is what is known in the real world as a 100% lack of confidence vote which is akin to coach wilcox surreptitiously bringing in coach tim plough at the end of the 2022 season to handle play calling duties/design instead of billy m for the last couple of games

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Lack of confidence in Knowlton is one thing. But the Chancellor wants to keep all the sports and will continue to be part of the reason that Cal revenue sports suffer. She believes in diverting revenues to the non revenue sports rather than doing what is needed to make the revenue sports stronger. Part of why Cal is hoping and praying for a B1G lifeline is the dismal performance of the revenue sports. You know the ones that TV likes and will pay for. But the poor performance has lead to poor attendance and TV ratings. So the attraction of Cal is low in the eyes of media folks. The B1G Presidents love Cal's academic profile, but this is a TV revenue deal at its core and Cal has lost its way in regards to revenue sports.

Cal is unlikely to ever select a Chancellor that is all in on the revenue sports. So sure getting rid of Knowlton would help, but the problem is deeper than Knowlton. Much deeper.

The only real lifeline would be an invite to the B1G as a full member with full shares. Since that is unlikely the next best thing is a B1G invite with reduced shares. Staying in the P12 is not a long term solution. It is a bandage covering a major wound.

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Knowlton is beaming with pride with the men's water polo championship he helped them to win.

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You're funny!

Although I did hear from a player after the match that they saw Knowlton in the pool celebrating with other fans.
Lower right corner?

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Lack of confidence in Knowlton is one thing. But the Chancellor wants to keep all the sports and will continue to be part of the reason that Cal revenue sports suffer. She believes in diverting revenues to the non revenue sports rather than doing what is needed to make the revenue sports stronger.

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In your narrative about Christ "diverting revenues to non-revenue" sports, you conveniently ignore what cutting a woman's sport would do to Cal, not too mention that many of the non-revenue sports have a core group of wealthy long-term donors. The fact that the $18 Million Dollar Legend's Aquatics Complex was built without any money from the athletic department should tell you as much. You also conveniently ignore how many times Christ has bailed out the athletic department with her checkbook, not too mention how she took away the seismic debt of Memorial Stadium, off the books of the athletic department.

I hope that you're aware that as soon as Cal cuts a women's sport, they wind up going into the "penalty" box in regards to Title IX compliance. It's not all that easy to do, as Sandy Barbour found out. Cal will be required to comply with Title IX on a strict numbers basis and ratio of male-to-female undergrads representing its sports teams . . . as opposed to the "touchy/feely" subjective basis (via surveys to female undergrads) that Cal is . . .progressing towards compliance.

I dont pretend to know where the current male to female ratio is for Cal's sports teams and how far away it is from what the current undergraduate population gender ratio is. There have been roster cuts to men's teams over the past 5 years to get the school closer towards compliance and cut spending. Perhaps someone here more knowledgeable than me can chime in on where we are in terms of actual Title IX compliance.

6956, glad to hear that chancellor chryst (who has directed more money from the chancellor's discretionary fund than any other chancellor in berkeley's history to athletics & also bailed out the upside down financing for memorial stadium) has directly told you that she "wants to keep all the sports" but the monster is of the opinion that the hockey playing james arthur knowlton (who grew up in western massachusetts never playing/going to football or basketball games growing up) is the primary disease afflicting cal's revenue sports/financially unsustainable 30+ sports/multiple costly present & future lawsuits/unilaterally renewing contracts for losing coaches/failed fundraising for a basketball practice facility/hiring & retaining worthless incompetent bureaucrats such as jennifer simon-o'neil, cfo tom lowry (who he recruited from the air force, his anti football bias is obvious within 5 minutes of talking with him) & markeisha everett who is responsible for the failure (due to the untalented & non creative vasilelos iliopoulos) to oversee successful season tix selling campaigns, a bloated 11 person communications dept & also a worser football gameday experience at memorial stadium and that hiring andrew mcgraw to rightsize the inept & bureaucratically inflated athletic department will fix 90%+ of the current problems

and guess what, william faulkner (and an increasing # of major donors) agrees with me

DiabloWags said:

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6956bear said:

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Lack of confidence in Knowlton is one thing. But the Chancellor wants to keep all the sports and will continue to be part of the reason that Cal revenue sports suffer. She believes in diverting revenues to the non revenue sports rather than doing what is needed to make the revenue sports stronger.

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In your narrative about Christ "diverting revenues to non-revenue" sports, you conveniently ignore what cutting a woman's sport would do to Cal, not too mention that many of the non-revenue sports have a core group of wealthy long-term donors. The fact that the $18 Million Dollar Legend's Aquatics Complex was built without any money from the athletic department should tell you as much. You also conveniently ignore how many times Christ has bailed out the athletic department with her checkbook, not too mention how she took away the seismic debt of Memorial Stadium, off the books of the athletic department.

I hope that you're aware that as soon as Cal cuts a women's sport, they wind up going into the "penalty" box in regards to Title IX compliance. It's not all that easy to do, as Sandy Barbour found out. Cal will be required to comply with Title IX on a strict numbers basis and ratio of male-to-female undergrads representing its sports teams . . . as opposed to the "touchy/feely" subjective basis (via surveys to female undergrads) that Cal is . . .progressing towards compliance.

I dont pretend to know where the current male to female ratio is for Cal's sports teams and how far away it is from what the current undergraduate population gender ratio is. There have been roster cuts to men's teams over the past 5 years to get the school closer towards compliance and cut spending. Perhaps someone here more knowledgeable than me can chime in on where we are in terms of actual Title IX compliance.

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Why create this straw man? You can easily find and cut 5 sports teams that do not include women and/or aquatics which are well funded. You can easily do this because we have soooo many sports.

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6956, glad to hear that chancellor chryst (who has directed more money from the chancellor's discretionary fund than any other chancellor in berkeley's history to athletics & also bailed out the upside down financing for memorial stadium) has directly told you that she "wants to keep all the sports" but the monster is of the opinion that the hockey playing james arthur knowlton (who grew up in western massachusetts never playing/going to football or basketball games growing up) is the primary disease afflicting cal's revenue sports/financially unsustainable 30+ sports/multiple costly present & future lawsuits/unilaterally renewing contracts for losing coaches/failed fundraising for a basketball practice facility/hiring & retaining worthless incompetent bureaucrats such as jennifer simon-o'neil, cfo tom lowry (who he recruited from the air force, his anti football bias is obvious within 5 minutes of talking with him) & markeisha everett who is responsible for the failure (due to the untalented & non creative vasilelos iliopoulos) to oversee successful season tix selling campaigns & also a worser football gameday experience and that hiring andrew mcgraw to rightsize the inept & bureaucratically inflated athletic department will fix 90%+ of the current problems

and guess what, william faulkner (and an increasing # of major donors) agrees with me

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Shocky, there are lots of reasons and people responsible for the miserable state of Cal's revenue sports and gameday experiences. But the Chancellor has given a raise and extension to Knowlton. It runs through 2029. How is that helpful?

But if Knowlton is the cancer, and I agree he is, why the extension? Why does his bonus program not have team onfield/on court success as a measure? Who does Knowlton report to? I am in agreement that the department is bloated. That Knowlton has through both action and inaction hurt the gameday experiences. But he reports to the Chancellor.

If you and an increasing # of major donors agree when should we expect all donations to cease until Knowlton is removed? Will there be a sit in in front of the Chancellors office demanding that Knowlton be removed? The Chancellor has done some good things for the department, yet seems committed to current AD and how he is running the department. She can force change if she wants change.

Yes there are a lot of different hills to die on. But one thing Cal has never truly done is make football the revenue driving engine it could be. We sit here today hoping for either an invite to the B1G or some media company or companies to come to the rescue and provide dollars to a program that oversees the worst revenue programs in all of P5. The combined wins in football and mens hoops is 7. The winning %combined is 15%. the conference winning % is 17% combined.

So yes Knowlton needs to go. Now. But he should never have been extended. He should never have been allowed to unilaterally add another year to every coaches contract. These things are not done in a vacuum. This Chancellor may be better than most of the previous Chancellors in regards to athletic support, but she is overseeing one of the worst (maybe the worst) periods of Cal revenue sports ever. Her response. Extend the AD.

I have worked with a number of incompent managers in my life. Generally speaking they are doing the bidding of the leaders. Knowlton may hate football. But he is a paid employee and needs to generate revenues. That will not be done by ignoring football and mens hoops. And by allowing his employment to continue the Chancellor is part of the concern. She is doing many great things outside athletics and I am mostly supportive of her efforts. But this is a sports forum related to the University of California. And there is no reason that the football program and others should be in this position.

Oh wait. Yes there is. It is the leadership.

6956, the 78 year old chancellor christ's only sin wuz believing (she doesn't anymore) the con artist's lies re: the northwestern athletic director recruiting process & making a poor decision to extend him at an average salary of $1,300,000+ thru 2029

trust me, carol knows now that she got played by the con artist

knowlton's time in berkeley is ticking down

DiabloWags said:

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socaliganbear said:

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Why create this straw man? You can easily find and cut 5 sports teams that do not include women and/or aquatics which are well funded. You can easily do this because we have soooo many sports.

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Name them.

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Easy, cut men's soccer, men's gym, men's XC, baseball, and demote Rugby to club.

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6956, the 78 year old chancellor christ's only sin wuz believing (she doesn't anymore) the con artist's lies re: the northwestern athletic director recruiting process & making a poor decision to extend him at an average salary of $1,300,000+ thru 2029

trust me, carol knows now that she got played by the con artist

knowlton's time in berkeley is ticking down

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it is interesting, the best company I worked for , was very successful and got bought out

they had a policy, if someone told them they had a better offer, they told them to take it .. Christ should have told JK that .. my boss basically said, if someone wants to play "I may leave" games, I refuse to play, let them go .. and it was known in the company that this was the policy ..

the boss was a Cal grad and avid Bear Backer, I imagine if turning over in a grave is real, he is doing that

Shocky1 said:

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6956, the 78 year old chancellor christ's only sin wuz believing (she doesn't anymore) the con artist's lies re: the northwestern athletic director recruiting process & making a poor decision to extend him at an average salary of $1,300,000+ thru 2029

trust me, carol knows now that she got played by the con artist

knowlton's time in berkeley is ticking down

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I hope you're correct. I will believe it when I see it. Knowlton is a BIG problem, but he does not do his "work" in a vacuum. Somebody is signing off and allowing this ****show to go on.

DiabloWags said:

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socaliganbear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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socaliganbear said:

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Why create this straw man? You can easily find and cut 5 sports teams that do not include women and/or aquatics which are well funded. You can easily do this because we have soooo many sports.

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Name them.

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Easy, cut men's soccer, men's gym, men's XC, baseball, and demote Rugby to club.

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Cut Men's XC?

That doesnt even begin to move the needle.
There are only a dozen guys on that roster.

Rugby will never get demoted.
It has a vast base of wealthy donors and the program needs to "tag" recruits at the admissions office.

Barbour tried to cut Baseball.
How did that work out?

Sorry, but it's not that "easy" as you claim.

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I didn't claim they were easy to cut. Obviously it's not easy hence it hasn't happened yet. What I said was it was easy to find sports to cut that did not impact your straw man argument which focused strictly on women's and aquatic sports.

There are sports we can cut. That we do not have the leadership to get it done is a separate matter.

DiabloWags said:

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socaliganbear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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socaliganbear said:

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Why create this straw man? You can easily find and cut 5 sports teams that do not include women and/or aquatics which are well funded. You can easily do this because we have soooo many sports.

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Name them.

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Easy, cut men's soccer, men's gym, men's XC, baseball, and demote Rugby to club.

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Cut Men's XC?

That doesnt even begin to move the needle.
There are only a dozen guys on that roster.

Rugby will never get demoted.
It has a vast base of wealthy donors and the program needs to "tag" recruits at the admissions office.

Barbour tried to cut Baseball.
How did that work out?

Sorry, but it's not that "easy" as you claim.

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I agree that it is not easy. But if you do not produce revenues you must make cuts. If not the sports themselves there is a lot of bloat in the overall athletic department. The staff directory is huge. And many of these positions can likely be eliminated or combined.

Bureaucrats do what they always do. Add to the bureacracy with little to no accountability. Leaders take action. Still looking for some sign of real leadership.

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Shocky1 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Shocky1 said:

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econ, and that's apparently why chancellor chryst opted to directly handle the board of regents ucla matter without involving her athletic director

so it's kinda funny (and sad) to hear multiple fans/donors tell me that knowlton tole them that it wuz "50/50" that ucla would be blocked from joining the big 10 when it wuz really more like a less than .1% hail mary pass

the con artist got no problem making **** up, hopefully he'll give an update in the next knowlton notes re: the fundraising for the $125,00,000+ quidditch facility

still waiting for that bearinsider.com interview with the con artist & if he declines to do so the details of his avoidance tactics along with an editorial recommending the termination of the con artist

just a trick of the lights (watch the shells carefully)#

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I might add it was the Chancellor who directly met with donors on conference realignment, without Knowlton.

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this is what is known in the real world as a 100% lack of confidence vote which is akin to coach wilcox surreptitiously bringing in coach tim plough at the end of the 2022 season to handle play calling duties/design instead of billy m for the last couple of games

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Lack of confidence in Knowlton is one thing. But the Chancellor wants to keep all the sports and will continue to be part of the reason that Cal revenue sports suffer. She believes in diverting revenues to the non revenue sports rather than doing what is needed to make the revenue sports stronger. Part of why Cal is hoping and praying for a B1G lifeline is the dismal performance of the revenue sports. You know the ones that TV likes and will pay for. But the poor performance has lead to poor attendance and TV ratings. So the attraction of Cal is low in the eyes of media folks. The B1G Presidents love Cal's academic profile, but this is a TV revenue deal at its core and Cal has lost its way in regards to revenue sports.

Cal is unlikely to ever select a Chancellor that is all in on the revenue sports. So sure getting rid of Knowlton would help, but the problem is deeper than Knowlton. Much deeper.

The only real lifeline would be an invite to the B1G as a full member with full shares. Since that is unlikely the next best thing is a B1G invite with reduced shares. Staying in the P12 is not a long term solution. It is a bandage covering a major wound.

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JK has transferred money from revenue sports to shore-up huge defects in other sports. But we are passed C-19 or other excuses, the Chancellor has eliminated the debt and provided a substantial annual subsidy of $13.5 million for non-revenue sports deficits. So why the heck are we stealing money from revenue sports anymore?

I get that Title 9 is a financial burden (you guys can argue if that is theoretically desirable, the facts on the ground is that funding is needed), but with aquatics, men's golf, tennis, rugby, and some other sports essentially fully funded, why the heck are we running-up such large deficits? The problem, IMO, is bureaucratic Knowlton never makes a timely move. If the women's golf coach can't fundraise in a country club sport and also can't compete, fire her and hire former Cal golfer Sofie Aargard (the first three-time All-American in program history). She built Cal Poly's team into a conference champion and national power AND DUE TO HER FUNDRAISING, the program became fully funded. She just got sucked-up by WSU, so Cal missed its chance. The point being, Title 9 doesn't stand for not accountable. Instead, JK will take money from men's basketball and football because he won't make tough decisions. Again, if you are looking at JK's overall record, it is time for him to move on.

wifeisafurd said:

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6956bear said:

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Shocky1 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Shocky1 said:

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econ, and that's apparently why chancellor chryst opted to directly handle the board of regents ucla matter without involving her athletic director

so it's kinda funny (and sad) to hear multiple fans/donors tell me that knowlton tole them that it wuz "50/50" that ucla would be blocked from joining the big 10 when it wuz really more like a less than .1% hail mary pass

the con artist got no problem making **** up, hopefully he'll give an update in the next knowlton notes re: the fundraising for the $125,00,000+ quidditch facility

still waiting for that bearinsider.com interview with the con artist & if he declines to do so the details of his avoidance tactics along with an editorial recommending the termination of the con artist

just a trick of the lights (watch the shells carefully)#

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I might add it was the Chancellor who directly met with donors on conference realignment, without Knowlton.

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this is what is known in the real world as a 100% lack of confidence vote which is akin to coach wilcox surreptitiously bringing in coach tim plough at the end of the 2022 season to handle play calling duties/design instead of billy m for the last couple of games

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Lack of confidence in Knowlton is one thing. But the Chancellor wants to keep all the sports and will continue to be part of the reason that Cal revenue sports suffer. She believes in diverting revenues to the non revenue sports rather than doing what is needed to make the revenue sports stronger. Part of why Cal is hoping and praying for a B1G lifeline is the dismal performance of the revenue sports. You know the ones that TV likes and will pay for. But the poor performance has lead to poor attendance and TV ratings. So the attraction of Cal is low in the eyes of media folks. The B1G Presidents love Cal's academic profile, but this is a TV revenue deal at its core and Cal has lost its way in regards to revenue sports.

Cal is unlikely to ever select a Chancellor that is all in on the revenue sports. So sure getting rid of Knowlton would help, but the problem is deeper than Knowlton. Much deeper.

The only real lifeline would be an invite to the B1G as a full member with full shares. Since that is unlikely the next best thing is a B1G invite with reduced shares. Staying in the P12 is not a long term solution. It is a bandage covering a major wound.

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JK has transferred money from revenue sports to shore-up huge defects in other sports. But we are passed C-19 or other excuses, the Chancellor has eliminated the debt and provided a substantial annual subsidy of $13.5 million for non-revenue sports deficits. So why the heck are we stealing money from revenue sports anymore?

I get that Title 9 is a financial burden (you guys can argue if that is theoretically desirable, the facts on the ground is that funding is needed), but with aquatics, men's golf, tennis, rugby, and some other sports essentially fully funded, why the heck are we running-up such large deficits? The problem, IMO, is bureaucratic Knowlton never makes a timely move. If the women's golf coach can't fundraise in a country club sport and also can't compete, fire her and hire former Cal golfer Sofie Aargard (the first three-time All-American in program history). She built Cal Poly's team into a conference champion and national power AND DUE TO HER FUNDRAISING, the program became fully funded. She just got sucked-up by WSU, so Cal missed its chance. The point being, Title 9 doesn't stand for not accountable. Instead, JK will take money from men's basketball and football because he won't make tough decisions. Again, if you are looking at JK's overall record, it is time for him to move on.

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Jesus - every post about JK just makes me realize how he is failing on so many different aspects. How is this job under a contract? He is not performing well at all - why can't we just fire the guy? How are contracts written up to allow for incompetence. Bad decision after bad decision. The above is extremely frustrating.

Econ141 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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6956bear said:

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Shocky1 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Shocky1 said:

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econ, and that's apparently why chancellor chryst opted to directly handle the board of regents ucla matter without involving her athletic director

so it's kinda funny (and sad) to hear multiple fans/donors tell me that knowlton tole them that it wuz "50/50" that ucla would be blocked from joining the big 10 when it wuz really more like a less than .1% hail mary pass

the con artist got no problem making **** up, hopefully he'll give an update in the next knowlton notes re: the fundraising for the $125,00,000+ quidditch facility

still waiting for that bearinsider.com interview with the con artist & if he declines to do so the details of his avoidance tactics along with an editorial recommending the termination of the con artist

just a trick of the lights (watch the shells carefully)#

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I might add it was the Chancellor who directly met with donors on conference realignment, without Knowlton.

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this is what is known in the real world as a 100% lack of confidence vote which is akin to coach wilcox surreptitiously bringing in coach tim plough at the end of the 2022 season to handle play calling duties/design instead of billy m for the last couple of games

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Lack of confidence in Knowlton is one thing. But the Chancellor wants to keep all the sports and will continue to be part of the reason that Cal revenue sports suffer. She believes in diverting revenues to the non revenue sports rather than doing what is needed to make the revenue sports stronger. Part of why Cal is hoping and praying for a B1G lifeline is the dismal performance of the revenue sports. You know the ones that TV likes and will pay for. But the poor performance has lead to poor attendance and TV ratings. So the attraction of Cal is low in the eyes of media folks. The B1G Presidents love Cal's academic profile, but this is a TV revenue deal at its core and Cal has lost its way in regards to revenue sports.

Cal is unlikely to ever select a Chancellor that is all in on the revenue sports. So sure getting rid of Knowlton would help, but the problem is deeper than Knowlton. Much deeper.

The only real lifeline would be an invite to the B1G as a full member with full shares. Since that is unlikely the next best thing is a B1G invite with reduced shares. Staying in the P12 is not a long term solution. It is a bandage covering a major wound.

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JK has transferred money from revenue sports to shore-up huge defects in other sports. But we are passed C-19 or other excuses, the Chancellor has eliminated the debt and provided a substantial annual subsidy of $13.5 million for non-revenue sports deficits. So why the heck are we stealing money from revenue sports anymore?

I get that Title 9 is a financial burden (you guys can argue if that is theoretically desirable, the facts on the ground is that funding is needed), but with aquatics, men's golf, tennis, rugby, and some other sports essentially fully funded, why the heck are we running-up such large deficits? The problem, IMO, is bureaucratic Knowlton never makes a timely move. If the women's golf coach can't fundraise in a country club sport and also can't compete, fire her and hire former Cal golfer Sofie Aargard (the first three-time All-American in program history). She built Cal Poly's team into a conference champion and national power AND DUE TO HER FUNDRAISING, the program became fully funded. She just got sucked-up by WSU, so Cal missed its chance. The point being, Title 9 doesn't stand for not accountable. Instead, JK will take money from men's basketball and football because he won't make tough decisions. Again, if you are looking at JK's overall record, it is time for him to move on.

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Jesus - every post about JK just makes me realize how he is failing on so many different aspects. How is this job under a contract? He is not performing well at all - why can't we just fire the guy? How are contracts written up to allow for incompetence. Bad decision after bad decision. The above is extremely frustrating.

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Just to dig even further, it is just not about lack of financial accountability. Women's golf came in last in the Pac again. There are other sports you could point to as problems as well, but as a country club sport, and Cal traditionally is good in these sports, there really are no excuses any more.

Bowlesman80 said:

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socaliganbear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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socaliganbear said:

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Why create this straw man? You can easily find and cut 5 sports teams that do not include women and/or aquatics which are well funded. You can easily do this because we have soooo many sports.

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Name them.

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Easy, cut men's soccer, men's gym, men's XC, baseball, and demote Rugby to club.

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Boo, especially cutting rugby. Men's soccer? I'm in.

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You don't need to fit them. Just make it a club sport like many of the schools they rack up meaningless wins against.

socaliganbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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socaliganbear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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socaliganbear said:

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Why create this straw man? You can easily find and cut 5 sports teams that do not include women and/or aquatics which are well funded. You can easily do this because we have soooo many sports.

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Name them.

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Easy, cut men's soccer, men's gym, men's XC, baseball, and demote Rugby to club.

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Boo, especially cutting rugby. Men's soccer? I'm in.

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You don't need to fit them. Just make it a club sport like many of the schools they rack up meaningless wins against.

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Right, if there is already enough outside support (and there is) they should be able to survive just fine.

wifeisafurd said:

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Just to dig even further, it is just not about lack of financial accountability. Women's golf came in last in the Pac again. There are other sports you could point to as problems as well, but as a country club sport, and Cal traditionally is good in these sports, there really are no excuses any more.

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Women's Volleyball comes to mind.

7 - 23 last season and 0 - 20 in Conference with a losing streak of 20 in a row.
And their best offensive player (Lydia Grote) hit the transfer portal in January..

DiabloWags said:

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calfanz said:

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sycasey said:

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socaliganbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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socaliganbear said:

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DiabloWags said:

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socaliganbear said:

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Why create this straw man? You can easily find and cut 5 sports teams that do not include women and/or aquatics which are well funded. You can easily do this because we have soooo many sports.

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Name them.

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Easy, cut men's soccer, men's gym, men's XC, baseball, and demote Rugby to club.

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Boo, especially cutting rugby. Men's soccer? I'm in.

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You don't need to fit them. Just make it a club sport like many of the schools they rack up meaningless wins against.

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Right, if there is already enough outside support (and there is) they should be able to survive just fine.

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Besides pride. what is the advantage to Rugby being a Varsity sport?

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I mentioned it in my previous post.
As a Varsity sport you get to "tag" recruits at the admission's office.
This is obviously very important if you're trying to compete.

As for "racking up meaningless wins" that's a statement by someone that clearly knows nothing about Varsity Rugby and most likely has never been to a match, let alone a Championship match against a handful of schools that have beaten CAL.

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Sounds like a few things need to be granted special exemptions to Rugby.

Access to training facilities, and ability to tag recruits. Seems with a bit of legislative genius the administration at Cal can make this happen.