Ashton Hayes to Nevada
Transfer portal tally (updated list for Cal players leaving and those coming to Cal)
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DavisBear said:
Ashton Hayes to Nevada
Makes sense
More like we're sitting at the tail end of a human caterpillarTypiCal said:
We are getting the crumbs..
We are making lists:
Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
Econ141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
C'mon Wilcox, we trust that you can't left Furd win this one!
It's interesting that the Pac 12 dominates this list and Coach Prime pretty much gutted the Jackson State roster on his way out.
P5?
The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
Jermaine Terry in the portal
Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Fire Starkey said:
Jermaine Terry in the portal
Jesus Christ - let's just shut it down, I've seen enough. I thought Spav was going to save our offense. More disappointing than this loss is that we have no one coming in. Not even the Rogers has committed yet. What is the freaking hang up?!?!
Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
Nohl Williams and Kaylin Moore were both starters this past season. Granted they are DBs and that may not have been the biggest need position on the team. But nonetheless they were starters. Williams is one of the more highly rated DBs in the portal.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
There is definitely some work to be done at OL, QB, TE, Edge and now also WR. They need to add Wrs as that is a position that gets a lot of work in Spavitals offense. I would also love to see another DL.
Fire Starkey said:
Jermaine Terry in the portal
Yup.
Transfer Portal 6’4 250lbs TE 12 Game Starter pic.twitter.com/DnXCs6Bu2w
— Jermaine Terry II †(@AllDayMaine) January 5, 2023
I count 19 at this point. See top of thread.Econ141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
Great, so we picked up starters from a 5-7 G5 school and a 1-11 P5 school, respectively. Hardly better than backups at ranked programs6956bear said:Nohl Williams and Kaylin Moore were both starters this past season. Granted they are DBs and that may not have been the biggest need position on the team. But nonetheless they were starters. Williams is one of the more highly rated DBs in the portal.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
Who cares whether Terry was four stars. He didn't play like it. Maybe someone else can unlock that potential. We'll see. The portal season is still going. I'm not ready to call it a success or a failure. They are reworking the roster, particularly on offense. Need to add a QB, maybe two, 2-3 offensive linemen and a pass rusher. Now they need another tight end. We'll see what happens.
Even bad teams have some good players. Seems to me that Daiyan Henley at WSU came from a G5 team. He was P12 newcomer and LB of the year. Darius Muasau at UCLA was at Hawaii and was 2nd team all P12. And Mekhi Blackmon was at Colorado the year before and was all P12 DB for USC. And Brendan Rice also at Colorado was very effective for USC and had a great Cotton Bowl game.DoubtfulBear said:Great, so we picked up starters from a 5-7 G5 school and a 1-11 P5 school, respectively. Hardly better than backups at ranked programs6956bear said:Nohl Williams and Kaylin Moore were both starters this past season. Granted they are DBs and that may not have been the biggest need position on the team. But nonetheless they were starters. Williams is one of the more highly rated DBs in the portal.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
Other G5 players of note in the P12
Jacob Cowing WR UA - (UTEP) 2nd team all P12
Xazavian Valladay RB ASU (Wyoming) 1st team all P12
Dalton Kincaid TE Utah (Univ of San Diego) 1st team all P12 Actually an FCS transfer
And there are a number of guys starting and playing key roles all around the conference that are from G5 programs.
TCU who is playing in the national championship game has several starters that came from the G5.
CB - Josh Newton (ULM) 1st team all Big 12
LB - Johnny Hodges - Navy
DE - Dylan Horton (New Mexico) 4 sacks vs Michigan
S- Mark Perry came from Colorado which was very bad in 2021
There are good players in the G5 and even poor P5 programs.
JT Byrne portal transfer from Oregon State signed. See Moraga's post. Sounds like he will be a RS soph so 3 years of eligibility left.
Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
Agree 100% except Ashton Hayes is a loss. With his speed, he should have received more playing time.BearGoggles said:Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
Fire Knowlton!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
He was still going to be third on the depth chart at best. I wish he would have stayed because you need at least three or four backs that can play but barring injury Ott and Cardwell are going to get the majority of the snaps.southseasbear said:Agree 100% except Ashton Hayes is a loss. With his speed, he should have received more playing time.BearGoggles said:Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
Cal's new Offense coaches are turning over the roster. Virtually all of us called for massive change from the prior 6 years. This is what it looks like. It is painful at times but it is necessary. We just have to hope that Spav gets it right.Econ141 said:Fire Starkey said:
Jermaine Terry in the portal
Jesus Christ - let's just shut it down, I've seen enough. I thought Spav was going to save our offense. More disappointing than this loss is that we have no one coming in. Not even the Rogers has committed yet. What is the freaking hang up?!?!
BTW, Terry and Latu couldn't block a lick and generally under-performed. While JMike's departure hurts this is more a case where losing the promise of Terry hurts. But he reality is there is a very good chance the offense will be affirmatively better with TEs who actually block than with our last iteration of TEs.
Do you really think the staff just kept him on the bench for their health, that they don't play the guys that give them the best chance to win?southseasbear said:Agree 100% except Ashton Hayes is a loss. With his speed, he should have received more playing time.BearGoggles said:Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
There is no way he's better than Ott. It's pretty unlikely he's better than Cardwell…but he voluntarily gave up the chance to prove it.
Losing a 3rd string RB to a 2-10 Mountain West team is a loss in much the same way breaking up with your 2nd girlfriend was a loss…there were some positives there but not enough to be a game changer.
tequila4kapp said:Cal's new Offense coaches are turning over the roster. Virtually all of us called for massive change from the prior 6 years. This is what it looks like. It is painful at times but it is necessary. We just have to hope that Spav gets it right.Econ141 said:Fire Starkey said:
Jermaine Terry in the portal
Jesus Christ - let's just shut it down, I've seen enough. I thought Spav was going to save our offense. More disappointing than this loss is that we have no one coming in. Not even the Rogers has committed yet. What is the freaking hang up?!?!
BTW, Terry and Latu couldn't block a lick and generally under-performed. While JMike's departure hurts this is more a case where losing the promise of Terry hurts. But he reality is there is a very good chance the offense will be affirmatively better with TEs who actually block than with our last iteration of TEs.
I drink the Cal kool-aid every year so your post helps to start getting me punch drunk already. JMike is a big loss - he caught virtually everything that came his way and I truly hoped he and Ott could pair up to make our team contenders next year. I'm sure Spav can find a good replacement for him but man that really bites.
Can't wait for the spring so we can start getting a preview of next year - especially the QBs and o-line.
tequila4kapp said:Do you really think the staff just kept him on the bench for their health, that they don't play the guys that give them the best chance to win?southseasbear said:Agree 100% except Ashton Hayes is a loss. With his speed, he should have received more playing time.BearGoggles said:Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
There is no way he's better than Ott. It's pretty unlikely he's better than Cardwell…but he voluntarily gave up the chance to prove it.
Losing a 3rd string RB to a 2-10 Mountain West team is a loss in much the same way breaking up with your 2nd girlfriend was a loss…there were some positives there but not enough to be a game changer.
Cal needs a third string running back that is good. Injuries will happen, having 2 adequate players at a position is not enough. You need quality depth and the potential for that quality is being eviscerated. Losing Hayes hurts. Losing Terry hurts. Losing Latu hurts. Losing Coleman hurts. Any time an underclassman leaves it hurts. The only time I'm not overly upset at a transfer is when a career backup grad transfers for his final year.
Injuries are going to be devastating next year.
golden sloth said:tequila4kapp said:Do you really think the staff just kept him on the bench for their health, that they don't play the guys that give them the best chance to win?southseasbear said:Agree 100% except Ashton Hayes is a loss. With his speed, he should have received more playing time.BearGoggles said:Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
There is no way he's better than Ott. It's pretty unlikely he's better than Cardwell…but he voluntarily gave up the chance to prove it.
Losing a 3rd string RB to a 2-10 Mountain West team is a loss in much the same way breaking up with your 2nd girlfriend was a loss…there were some positives there but not enough to be a game changer.
Cal needs a third string running back that is good. Injuries will happen, having 2 adequate players at a position is not enough. You need quality depth and the potential for that quality is being eviscerated. Losing Hayes hurts. Losing Terry hurts. Losing Latu hurts. Losing Coleman hurts. Any time an underclassman leaves it hurts. The only time I'm not overly upset at a transfer is when a career backup grad transfers for his final year.
Injuries are going to be devastating next year.
But we still have an Ashton who is our 3rd and is perfectly capable of being that third string RB. Hayes might be a loss talent wise but seems like there is some baggage there. Ott is the man, Cardwell is clearly second, Ashton S is clearly 3rd. No ambiguity in this order which I think will play well next year and not lead to any outside noise.
AEM80 said:He was still going to be third on the depth chart at best. I wish he would have stayed because you need at least three or four backs that can play but barring injury Ott and Cardwell are going to get the majority of the snaps.southseasbear said:Agree 100% except Ashton Hayes is a loss. With his speed, he should have received more playing time.BearGoggles said:Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
Don't sleep on the Jet
1. I have no faith in Musgrave and his decisions (and don't think Wilcox understands offense - after all he stuck with and by Baldwin and Musgrave for the years each).tequila4kapp said:Do you really think the staff just kept him on the bench for their health, that they don't play the guys that give them the best chance to win?southseasbear said:Agree 100% except Ashton Hayes is a loss. With his speed, he should have received more playing time.BearGoggles said:Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
There is no way he's better than Ott. It's pretty unlikely he's better than Cardwell…but he voluntarily gave up the chance to prove it.
Losing a 3rd string RB to a 2-10 Mountain West team is a loss in much the same way breaking up with your 2nd girlfriend was a loss…there were some positives there but not enough to be a game changer.
2. No I don't think Hayes is better than Ott.
3. I don't know how Hayes compares with Cardwell. Have not seen enough of either one.
4. At worse, Hayes is a great and needed 3rd string and kick returner, which means his departure is a "loss." Maybe not devastating, but still a "loss."
Fire Knowlton!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
Econ141 said:golden sloth said:tequila4kapp said:Do you really think the staff just kept him on the bench for their health, that they don't play the guys that give them the best chance to win?southseasbear said:Agree 100% except Ashton Hayes is a loss. With his speed, he should have received more playing time.BearGoggles said:Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
There is no way he's better than Ott. It's pretty unlikely he's better than Cardwell…but he voluntarily gave up the chance to prove it.
Losing a 3rd string RB to a 2-10 Mountain West team is a loss in much the same way breaking up with your 2nd girlfriend was a loss…there were some positives there but not enough to be a game changer.
Cal needs a third string running back that is good. Injuries will happen, having 2 adequate players at a position is not enough. You need quality depth and the potential for that quality is being eviscerated. Losing Hayes hurts. Losing Terry hurts. Losing Latu hurts. Losing Coleman hurts. Any time an underclassman leaves it hurts. The only time I'm not overly upset at a transfer is when a career backup grad transfers for his final year.
Injuries are going to be devastating next year.
But we still have an Ashton who is our 3rd and is perfectly capable of being that third string RB. Hayes might be a loss talent wise but seems like there is some baggage there. Ott is the man, Cardwell is clearly second, Ashton S is clearly 3rd. No ambiguity in this order which I think will play well next year and not lead to any outside noise.
Don't sleep on the Jet. I think he will be a star.
RB is the far and away least of our worries. Worry about QB, OL, WR, TE….
We may even need to play one of our RBs in the slot. It is our strongest position on offense.
calumnus said:Econ141 said:golden sloth said:tequila4kapp said:Do you really think the staff just kept him on the bench for their health, that they don't play the guys that give them the best chance to win?southseasbear said:Agree 100% except Ashton Hayes is a loss. With his speed, he should have received more playing time.BearGoggles said:Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
There is no way he's better than Ott. It's pretty unlikely he's better than Cardwell…but he voluntarily gave up the chance to prove it.
Losing a 3rd string RB to a 2-10 Mountain West team is a loss in much the same way breaking up with your 2nd girlfriend was a loss…there were some positives there but not enough to be a game changer.
Cal needs a third string running back that is good. Injuries will happen, having 2 adequate players at a position is not enough. You need quality depth and the potential for that quality is being eviscerated. Losing Hayes hurts. Losing Terry hurts. Losing Latu hurts. Losing Coleman hurts. Any time an underclassman leaves it hurts. The only time I'm not overly upset at a transfer is when a career backup grad transfers for his final year.
Injuries are going to be devastating next year.
But we still have an Ashton who is our 3rd and is perfectly capable of being that third string RB. Hayes might be a loss talent wise but seems like there is some baggage there. Ott is the man, Cardwell is clearly second, Ashton S is clearly 3rd. No ambiguity in this order which I think will play well next year and not lead to any outside noise.
Don't sleep on the Jet. I think he will be a star.
RB is the far and away least of our worries. Worry about QB, OL, WR, TE….
We may even need to play one of our RBs in the slot. It is our strongest position on offense.
For sure - can't forget about the Jet! Shame on me. Hopefully we can lock in a star WR to replace JMike. That said, of all the positions you listed, seems like WR is the one we could easily plug?
Most of the uncertainty and anxiousness is from QB and o-line. When will any news come?!?
I won't be surprised if we pick up a few more DBs before we hear any news at OLEcon141 said:calumnus said:Econ141 said:golden sloth said:tequila4kapp said:Do you really think the staff just kept him on the bench for their health, that they don't play the guys that give them the best chance to win?southseasbear said:Agree 100% except Ashton Hayes is a loss. With his speed, he should have received more playing time.BearGoggles said:Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
There is no way he's better than Ott. It's pretty unlikely he's better than Cardwell…but he voluntarily gave up the chance to prove it.
Losing a 3rd string RB to a 2-10 Mountain West team is a loss in much the same way breaking up with your 2nd girlfriend was a loss…there were some positives there but not enough to be a game changer.
Cal needs a third string running back that is good. Injuries will happen, having 2 adequate players at a position is not enough. You need quality depth and the potential for that quality is being eviscerated. Losing Hayes hurts. Losing Terry hurts. Losing Latu hurts. Losing Coleman hurts. Any time an underclassman leaves it hurts. The only time I'm not overly upset at a transfer is when a career backup grad transfers for his final year.
Injuries are going to be devastating next year.
But we still have an Ashton who is our 3rd and is perfectly capable of being that third string RB. Hayes might be a loss talent wise but seems like there is some baggage there. Ott is the man, Cardwell is clearly second, Ashton S is clearly 3rd. No ambiguity in this order which I think will play well next year and not lead to any outside noise.
Don't sleep on the Jet. I think he will be a star.
RB is the far and away least of our worries. Worry about QB, OL, WR, TE….
We may even need to play one of our RBs in the slot. It is our strongest position on offense.
Most of the uncertainty and anxiousness is from QB and o-line. When will any news come?!?
Econ141 said:calumnus said:Econ141 said:golden sloth said:tequila4kapp said:Do you really think the staff just kept him on the bench for their health, that they don't play the guys that give them the best chance to win?southseasbear said:Agree 100% except Ashton Hayes is a loss. With his speed, he should have received more playing time.BearGoggles said:Latu was inconsistent and Terry played like a one star. Maybe that's coaching, but it is reality. And Terry is not a fit for Slavs offense. No loss there IMO. Just disappointment he didn't pan out.DoubtfulBear said:If you are going to call our 4 star losses at TE, RB, WR as backups, then it's fair to say the same about Allen and Cardwell, who were underachieving and barely saw play. I don't see where you are getting confidence about getting OL starters when we have yet to pick up a single starter from the portal this season.BearGoggles said:Is the post about portal transfers or recruiting? Not the same thing. If you want to complain about 2023 recruiting, fine. But that has nothing to do with the impact of the gross number portal outflows. And in terms of recruiting, the guys you're recruiting in the class of 2023 are not replacing the guys leaving in the portal in any real sense.DoubtfulBear said:Every single one of these schools has better 2023 recruiting than us. In terms quality of inflows vs outflows, we would be even worse than what the graphic showsBearGoggles said:Maybe. But the chart doesn't really show that. How many of the transfer outs are landing "up" vs. "down"? How many are grad transfers?SBGold said:The Pac 12 is hemorrhagingEcon141 said:
We are making lists:Most transfer outs in the 2023 portal cycle👀https://t.co/UMRbxTdpbs pic.twitter.com/tbroOcRl4e
— On3 (@On3sports) January 3, 2023
In Cal's case, with a few notable and painful exceptions, the guys leaving are not key guys and are landing at places like Nevada or a rebuilding ASU.
The quantity of players leaving is irrelevant. A big number could be a good thing if you cleaning dead weight of the roster. The qualify matters. JMike hurts as do a few others. But most of the players who have left are guys Cal is glad (or at least not upset) to see leave and pretty easily replacable.
Cal has a glaring need at OL. If they find 2 league average or better starters there - particularly OT- then that is far more impactful then losing backup rbs, two underachieving tight ends, and a few other guys. And of course qb. Guys like JMike hurt. No doubt about that. But there are only 2-3 guys I put in that "ouch" category so far and we've added Cardwell and possibly a QB.
You can freak out at every departure if you want to chicken little this. But we won't really know the final impact until spring when additional transfers are made.
The RB departures were all guys who weren't seeing the field at Cal. For you to bring that up as a negative shows that you're a chicken little. Cardwell is an upgrade to anyone who left. Full stop. To be upset about the rbs that left is just stupid.
Losing JMIKE is a real loss.
And where did I say I was "confident" Cal would get two OL? I simply said that was the most important portal issue - much more relevant that the "number" of guys in the portal.
There is no way he's better than Ott. It's pretty unlikely he's better than Cardwell…but he voluntarily gave up the chance to prove it.
Losing a 3rd string RB to a 2-10 Mountain West team is a loss in much the same way breaking up with your 2nd girlfriend was a loss…there were some positives there but not enough to be a game changer.
Cal needs a third string running back that is good. Injuries will happen, having 2 adequate players at a position is not enough. You need quality depth and the potential for that quality is being eviscerated. Losing Hayes hurts. Losing Terry hurts. Losing Latu hurts. Losing Coleman hurts. Any time an underclassman leaves it hurts. The only time I'm not overly upset at a transfer is when a career backup grad transfers for his final year.
Injuries are going to be devastating next year.
But we still have an Ashton who is our 3rd and is perfectly capable of being that third string RB. Hayes might be a loss talent wise but seems like there is some baggage there. Ott is the man, Cardwell is clearly second, Ashton S is clearly 3rd. No ambiguity in this order which I think will play well next year and not lead to any outside noise.
Don't sleep on the Jet. I think he will be a star.
RB is the far and away least of our worries. Worry about QB, OL, WR, TE….
We may even need to play one of our RBs in the slot. It is our strongest position on offense.
For sure - can't forget about the Jet! Shame on me. Hopefully we can lock in a star WR to replace JMike. That said, of all the positions you listed, seems like WR is the one we could easily plug?
Most of the uncertainty and anxiousness is from QB and o-line. When will any news come?!?
JMike leaving, especially to (F)UCLA, hurts for sure, but I like Mason Starling or "the other J Plummer" (Jaiven) to take up some of the slack. I always thought that Jeremiah Hunter is or most "go to" guy.
We need to be "net positive" from here on in, that's for sure. Maybe we will be.
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