Michiganmoon said:

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juarezbear said:

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nikeykid said:

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Sources: In the next 24 hours, there’s two calls for the ACC to vet and have early exploratory discussions on the potential addition of Cal and Stanford. One is for ACC athletic directors and the other for the league's presidents and chancellors.

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 7, 2023

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Would be an amazing FY to the B1G if Cal, Furd, and ND joined the ACC.

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I think if the BigTen wanted Cal and Stanford they would have already offered and I think they'd accept quickly if offered.

I wonder if the ACC is trying to be proactive with FSU and Clemson threatening to leave.

A 4 team pod out west could work in the ACC.

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The Big10 has no reason to hurry in adding Cal and Stanford since at present we have no other realistic alternative
The ACC talk may be there only as a Cal bargaining chip to motivate Big10 to pull the trigger on taking Cal and
Furd.
I am just guessing and giving the Cal AD more credit for negotiating smarts than he has shown so far.

Sorry. UW is not a better academic school than USC. That was the case last decade. No longer.

GoCal80 said:

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Am I missing something or doesn't the vast distance separating Cal and Stanford from the current ACC schools make this notion ludicrous?

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So Piscataway NJ, State College PA, and College Park, MD are OK??

BearSD said:

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calumnus said:

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sycasey said:

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GoCal80 said:

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Am I missing something or doesn't the vast distance separating Cal and Stanford from the current ACC schools make this notion ludicrous?

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No more ludicrous than two schools in Los Angeles joining the Big Ten.

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And if the agreement is the non-revenue sports can join the Big West, even less ludicrous.

Football would involve 4 road trips to the East Cosst each year. The smart move for everyone would be to play any Stanford or Cal game on the East Coast late on Saturday early in the season, both for logistical reasons and for West Coast television.

Basketball in the ACC is a logistical problem but a huge opportunity. Great basketball league. Maybe we go to a Friday night, Saturday night schedule? Maybe we compete in the Big West (great shot at the auto bid) with a lot of OOC games against our new ACC rivals?

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It's very possible that any ACC offer would be for football-only, maybe for a $20 million/year lifeline, and that it would require Cal and Stanford to join the Big West or another western conference for all other sports.

There are a lot of moving parts. The administration better be working on creating multiple options.

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I want Football and Basketball.

CarmelBear said:

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Sorry. UW is not a better academic school than USC. That was the case last decade. No longer.

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By the Times Higher Education ranking UW is #26 compared to USC at #65. Are you going by the US News ranking?

SoFlaBear said:

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GoCal80 said:

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Am I missing something or doesn't the vast distance separating Cal and Stanford from the current ACC schools make this notion ludicrous?

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So Piscataway NJ, State College PA, and College Park, MD are OK??

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I mean there's a difference between every school (except Furd) being on ET in the ACC vs. the B1G scenario as it stands now where you'd also have Oregon, UW, UCLA, and USC in your timezone to split some games with.

This would be a typical ACC schedule slate, conference games in bold:

Sac. St.
@Oregon St.
Syracuse
Washington St.
@UCLA
@Louisville
Duke
@Georgia Tech
@Boston College
Pitt
@UNC
Furd

SoFlaBear said:

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GoCal80 said:

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Am I missing something or doesn't the vast distance separating Cal and Stanford from the current ACC schools make this notion ludicrous?

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So Piscataway NJ, State College PA, and College Park, MD are OK??

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As someone that moved to NYC, I would love nothing more than attending the annual Cal Rutgers game

DoubtfulBear said:

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SoFlaBear said:

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GoCal80 said:

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Am I missing something or doesn't the vast distance separating Cal and Stanford from the current ACC schools make this notion ludicrous?

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So Piscataway NJ, State College PA, and College Park, MD are OK??

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As someone that moved to NYC, I would love nothing more than attending the annual Cal Rutgers game

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You would drive or take the train to Boston, Syracuse or take a short flight to Raleigh-Durham...

Cal88 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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SoFlaBear said:

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GoCal80 said:

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Am I missing something or doesn't the vast distance separating Cal and Stanford from the current ACC schools make this notion ludicrous?

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So Piscataway NJ, State College PA, and College Park, MD are OK??

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As someone that moved to NYC, I would love nothing more than attending the annual Cal Rutgers game

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You would drive or take the train to Boston, Syracuse or take a short flight to Raleigh-Durham...

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All those options are substantially longer than the 40min drive to Piscataway

YuSeeBerkeley said:

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If Stanford and Cal get the ACC invite, with their inclusion, doesn't the ACC's academic profile surpass the B1G? Stanford, Cal, Duke, Virginia, and UNC vs. Northwestern, UCLA, Michigan, and USC.

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Wisconsin, Illinois, and Purdue are all very good schools as well

Plus, field hockey wastes thousands of gallons of water per game which is simply crazy in (often) drought stricken Northern California.

Cal88 said:

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This would be a typical ACC schedule slate, conference games in bold:

Sac. St.
@Oregon St.
Syracuse
Washington St.
@UCLA
@Louisville
Duke
@Georgia Tech
@Boston College
Pitt
@UNC
Furd

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Working from the standpoint that this is a hypothetical, and assuming that all the majpr conferences are going to be a mega-conference spanning multiple time zones, I would petition for the following:

1. Allow all teams to play Week Zero, thus adding an additional BYE during the season, and hopefully coordinate that bye to be either before or after a long away trip.
2. Similar to what the SEC does, have Conference play start earlier in Week 2 or 3 and have the final game of the season be reserved for a local rival that is in a different conference (think Florida / Florida State, Georgia / Georgia Tech, South Carolina / Clemson, only Cal would play a former Pac-12 school).
3. If all of Cal, Stanford, Washington State and Oregon State join the ACC, reserve the final few conference games for the local rivalries, thus limiting travel in November when school is more intense and weather potentially more severe. This would revise the schedule to be as follows:

Week 0: Sac. St.
Week 1: @OOC P5 School
Week 2: Mountain West School
Week 3: Bye
Week 4: @Boston College
Week 5: Syracuse
Week 6: @Louisville
Week 7: Duke
Week 8: Bye
Week 9: @Georgia Tech
Week 10: Washington State
Week 11: @Oregon State
Week 12: Furd
Week 13: @UCLA

GoCal80 said:

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Whatever you believe is the cause of travel disruption, the more teams travel to faraway places, the more hellish travel experiences they are going to have. This means more time away from classwork, less rest, jetlag, etc. I'm not thinking about football, but tennis, gymnastics, field hockey, baseball....

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" ... time away from classwork ..."?!?

We are soooo past worrying about things like that. Do you want to compete nationally at football, or not? Because the things we used to worry about, scheduling dates, kickoff times, game day experience, academic standards ... we abandoned all of that crap when the schools in our former conference started selling their souls to the devil.

We want an athlete now, we give him/her some NIL, we enroll them in a certificate program and we tell them we are sincerely trying to weed out the coaches that might yell at them and denigrate them.

Big C said:

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GoCal80 said:

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Whatever you believe is the cause of travel disruption, the more teams travel to faraway places, the more hellish travel experiences they are going to have. This means more time away from classwork, less rest, jetlag, etc. I'm not thinking about football, but tennis, gymnastics, field hockey, baseball....

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" ... time away from classwork ..."?!?

We are soooo past worrying about things like that. Do you want to compete at football, or not? Because the things we used to worry about, scheduling dates, kickoff times, game day experience, academic standards ... we abandoned all of that crap when the schools in our former conference started selling their souls to the devil.

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If that is what competing in football is then no.

golden sloth said:

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Gunga la Gunga said:

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Ucla can go take a flying ****. No thanks to them ever being on the schedule again.

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I get that sentiment, but it would probably be best to schedule an annual game against Ucla, just for the LA recruiting bonus. Never playing in LA again is bad for recruiting, which is bad for Cal football.

I'm cool with never playing SC again.

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USC would miss the easy W but I guess that is what Rutgers is for.

Sources: ACC Presidents met this morning for exploratory call on Cal and Stanford. As expected, no vote was taken. The league is “still evaluating” the potential decision.

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 8, 2023

If you know a vote was taken but no decision was made, surely you have more information than that from your source(s).

Thamel has been pretty clear that these are early, preliminary discussions. They wouldn't be voting yet.