golden sloth said:

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I think it's safe to say Brock Purdy is a choke artist. The niners need him to do something, and the dude cant do anything.

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Choke choke choke. Been choking his whole career. Especially on that last drive.
Well, he gets another chance to choke next week. Love doesn't. He had his choke tonight.

I talked to Montana once. His son, Nick, and my son played freshman hoop at DLS. He was very nice, regular and humble.

golden sloth said:

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I dont know what to make of Purdy after that drive. Yes, the niners got a touchdown, but he also didnt throw the ball past 10 yards once.

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Oh by the way, I reviewed that last drive and this isn't true. He had a 17-yard completion to Conley along the right sideline.

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golden sloth said:

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I think it's safe to say Brock Purdy is a choke artist. The niners need him to do something, and the dude cant do anything.

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Choke choke choke. Been choking his whole career. Especially on that last drive.
Well, he gets another chance to choke next week. Love doesn't. He had his choke tonight.

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I thought Love looked pretty good for a first year starter up until that point. It's the NFL playoffs. A good QB "chokes" every game. Only one can win the Super Bowl.

The missed field goal by Carlson looms large also. He makes that, the game maybe goes into OT. Still not sure who Love was throwing to on that last INT, he should have thrown it away. They had time and still TO if IRC. Oh well. Love and GB will be back. They overachieved this season. Go Packers!

Got a couple friends who have tix for Detroit tomorrow. Should be very loud and obnoxious just like a BB game at Harmon was. Go Lions!

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The missed field goal by Carlson looms large also. He makes that, the game maybe goes into OT.

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True, though the 49ers also had a field goal blocked so it evened out there.

49ers D figured something out against Love

Jordan Love on Packers first 6 possessions vs #49ers: 15 for 22 for 168 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INTs and 120.3 rating

Love on Packers last 4 possessions: 6 for 12 for 30 yds, 0 TDs, 2 INTs and 16.7 rating

— Josh Dubow (@JoshDubowAP) January 21, 2024

Love did his part except for that last drive. It was Green Bay's placekicker that missed from short right before that.

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golden sloth said:

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I dont know what to make of Purdy after that drive. Yes, the niners got a touchdown, but he also didnt throw the ball past 10 yards once.

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Isn't that what Joe Montana's big drives were mostly like? The Packers were taking away deep passes; he took what was given.

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Purdy's performance level is much closer to Garoppolo than Montana.

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Love did his part except for that last drive. It was Green Bay's placekicker that missed from short right before that.

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That attempt happened because of a big Aaron Jones run, not Love.

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sycasey said:

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golden sloth said:

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I dont know what to make of Purdy after that drive. Yes, the niners got a touchdown, but he also didnt throw the ball past 10 yards once.

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Isn't that what Joe Montana's big drives were mostly like? The Packers were taking away deep passes; he took what was given.

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Purdy's performance level is much closer to Garoppolo than Montana.

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I might suggest you review the 1981 NFC Championship again, you know the one with Montana's legendary "The Catch" drive? He threw three picks in the game, and most of the last drive was runs and short throws. How is that different from Purdy in this game?

Obviously Purdy has to do a lot more to be on the level of Joe Montana, but THIS drive was not too different from the ones Montana was known for.

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sycasey said:

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golden sloth said:

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I dont know what to make of Purdy after that drive. Yes, the niners got a touchdown, but he also didnt throw the ball past 10 yards once.

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Isn't that what Joe Montana's big drives were mostly like? The Packers were taking away deep passes; he took what was given.

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Purdy's performance level is much closer to Garoppolo than Montana.

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I might suggest you review the 1981 NFC Championship again, you know the one with Montana's legendary "The Catch" drive? He threw three picks in the game, and most of the last drive was runs and short throws. How is that different from Purdy in this game?

Obviously Purdy has to do a lot more to be on the level of Joe Montana, but THIS drive was not too different from the ones Montana was known for.

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People don't realize how much more efficient modern quarterbacks/offenses are compared to decades past, especially compared to their memories.

My big takeaway from the game: they should move Dre Greenlaw to WR. Not sure it would be effective, but it'd be damn entertaining

And all those crapping on Purdy….we will see.

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golden sloth said:

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I dont know what to make of Purdy after that drive. Yes, the niners got a touchdown, but he also didnt throw the ball past 10 yards once.

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Isn't that what Joe Montana's big drives were mostly like? The Packers were taking away deep passes; he took what was given.

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Purdy's performance level is much closer to Garoppolo than Montana.

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I might suggest you review the 1981 NFC Championship again, you know the one with Montana's legendary "The Catch" drive? He threw three picks in the game, and most of the last drive was runs and short throws. How is that different from Purdy in this game?

Obviously Purdy has to do a lot more to be on the level of Joe Montana, but THIS drive was not too different from the ones Montana was known for.

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People don't realize how much more efficient modern quarterbacks/offenses are compared to decades past, especially compared to their memories.

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The rule changes have made offense so much easier than decades past. Hence we are seeing average QB stats are records compared to decades ago.

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calumnus said:

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golden sloth said:

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I dont know what to make of Purdy after that drive. Yes, the niners got a touchdown, but he also didnt throw the ball past 10 yards once.

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Isn't that what Joe Montana's big drives were mostly like? The Packers were taking away deep passes; he took what was given.

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Purdy's performance level is much closer to Garoppolo than Montana.

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I might suggest you review the 1981 NFC Championship again, you know the one with Montana's legendary "The Catch" drive? He threw three picks in the game, and most of the last drive was runs and short throws. How is that different from Purdy in this game?

Obviously Purdy has to do a lot more to be on the level of Joe Montana, but THIS drive was not too different from the ones Montana was known for.

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People don't realize how much more efficient modern quarterbacks/offenses are compared to decades past, especially compared to their memories.

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The rule changes have made offense so much easier than decades past. Hence we are seeing average QB stats are records compared to decades ago.

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Yes, rule changes are a big factor, but offenses have improved and modern QBs are far better at moving in or outside the pocket, extending plays or running for first downs. The West Coast offense was innovative 40 years ago, but look at Plummer last year at Cal vs this year at Louisville.

Love's across the body flip to three defenders with 50 seconds and two timeouts left wasn't a mistake, it was a rookie level brain f$rt. Totally unnecessary.

Seeing these comments placing Purdy anywhere near Montana right now is really something. But for the grace of God, he got away with TWO horrendous, should-have-been picks, at least one of which should have been a pick6. He's not very good. The niner o-line is the reason they won the game. Fortunately, the Lions don't have anyone who can catch on defense, either, so maybe they're ok in the championship game. Lions could lose, too, but assuming they win, niners would do well to pray for rain so Goff's small hands become a factor again.

In fairness to Purdy, Goff had some rough outings along the way on rainy days.

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Seeing these comments placing Purdy anywhere near Montana right now is really something. But for the grace of God, he got away with TWO horrendous, should-have-been picks, at least one of which should have been a pick6. He's not very good. The niner o-line is the reason they won the game.

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Did anyone watch the same game? The Niners O-line was not good at pass protection most of the game either.

Again, let's be clear: I would not put this entire game by Purdy up with the best of Montana. Just saying that the final TD drive was not too different from what he did. (Also, I think people's selective memories are leaving out some of the rough INT performances that Montana had in his day, before rescuing the team with late heroics.)

The 49ers clearly lost because Purdy sucks! Oh wait....

This thread reminds me of this passage from an ESPN story I read this week.

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Daniel Wann, a sports psychologist at Murray State University, has studied the psychology of sport fandom for 40 years and is unsurprised by the doubts that fans express about players such as Warner and Purdy.

In Purdy's case, Wann says it's easy for his doubters to use the ammunition available to them -- his size (6-foot-1, 220 pounds), low draft position, talented teammates and coaches -- to form an initial, negative opinion.

Which is why, despite what Purdy has accomplished over his 28 NFL starts, it's more important for his skeptics to hold onto their initial opinion than to evolve as more information becomes available. In Wann's world, it's confirmation bias in its purest form.


"If nothing else, social media has given people the opportunity to present their opinion over and over and over again, and they're going to want to show that they were right," Wann said.

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Love had way more time to work than Purdy. For some reason, the 49ers line didn't get much pressure on Love--most of the time he seemed to have 5 seconds or so to make the play. Purdy had about 3 seconds. The loss of Deebo. The rain. Against a good playoff team that had jelled late in the season and had just crushed the Cowboys on the road. On national television. A great quarterback overcomes all that. Winning ugly is still winning. Scrambling on the last drive was a winning quarterback play and he has better speed than most to succeed in those scrambles. Garoppolo couldn't have done that.

He's only in his second year. Love has two more years in the league. Purdy is a terrific story, being Mr. Irrelevant and finding himself starting only because the first two quarterbacks got injured. He's a nice kid. I don't understand the crapping on him. Calling him a choke artist? Really? Why do that.

I haven't seen any posts on this thread crowning him as the next Joe Montana. And that would be ridiculous. Pointing out that Montana had tough playoff games is not saying that Purdy is Montana. But I like the Purdy story and he has now taken the 49ers to the NFC Championship game two years in a row. He was the highest statistically rated quarterback this season. Why not root for him? I get it if you root against the 49er, but otherwise maybe enjoy what he is doing until he actually fails. And he might fail. He might falter and drop into obscurity. But for now, he's pretty damn good and I'm on the Purdy Train.

I'm also rooting big time for my side piece--Goff and the Lions. If its Lion's vs. 49ers next week--even though I am a long time 49er fan--I will be pretty ambivalent on the outcome. I so want Jared to win the Super Bowl. Instead of joining a Super Bowl level team like Stafford, Goff would have done it by leading the sad sack Lions to the promised land. I want to see "How do you like me now LA?" Jared memes. And beating the Rams to get there would double the pleasure. He was the kid who always wanted to be a bear. I met Jared at Fan Appreciation Day in his freshman year before he had played a down for the Bears. Such a good kid and he still seems to be a great person. Go Bears!

Yep purdy did have less time to throw and still had both a higher qbr and qb rating than love (granted, purdy had two dropped picks, but that's coulda woulda shoulda land)

I don't see anyone (not just here but packers fans, national media, etc) criticising Love. Since he's apparently everyone's golden child. But at the very first chance they get, people come down hard on Purdy. I just don't understand it.

Packer's placekicker woes reminded me of the Cal Bears.

From Yahoo's Senior NFL writer

Brock Purdy has 25 starts (including playoffs) in his first 2 #NFL seasons. He was the #49ers No. 3 QB 18 months ago. He continues to be resilient. He had a vital game-winning drive Saturday in crap conditions. Some of y’all have a hatred of him that borders on weirdo behavior.

— Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) January 21, 2024

That 3rd down pass where he stood in the pocket completely surrounded by his OL as it collapsed around him and throwing a 20? Yard pass between 3 defenders just as he was being hit was legendary

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The 49ers clearly lost because Purdy sucks! Oh wait....

This thread reminds me of this passage from an ESPN story I read this week.

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Daniel Wann, a sports psychologist at Murray State University, has studied the psychology of sport fandom for 40 years and is unsurprised by the doubts that fans express about players such as Warner and Purdy.

In Purdy's case, Wann says it's easy for his doubters to use the ammunition available to them -- his size (6-foot-1, 220 pounds), low draft position, talented teammates and coaches -- to form an initial, negative opinion.

Which is why, despite what Purdy has accomplished over his 28 NFL starts, it's more important for his skeptics to hold onto their initial opinion than to evolve as more information becomes available. In Wann's world, it's confirmation bias in its purest form.


"If nothing else, social media has given people the opportunity to present their opinion over and over and over again, and they're going to want to show that they were right," Wann said.

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Confirmation bias is it, for sure. I see a lot of the narratives about Purdy on Twitter. After he put up a season where he played great week after week and finished as the highest rated QB in the league, the common question was: "What happens if he doesn't have his weapons and things aren't working perfect and he has to come back from a late deficit?"

Well, that's what happened last night and he came through. So now of course the same people want to talk about how he sucked for the first three quarters and was lucky to win. But I guarantee that if he'd been great from the start and the Niners cruised to victory they would have still been using the previous narrative about how the team makes everything easy for Purdy and he shouldn't get credit. It's a double standard: if he plays great then it's too easy, but if he grinds and comes back from adversity then he should have made it easier.

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Yep purdy did have less time to throw and still had both a higher qbr and qb rating than love (granted, purdy had two dropped picks, but that's coulda woulda shoulda land)

I don't see anyone (not just here but packers fans, national media, etc) criticising Love. Since he's apparently everyone's golden child. But at the very first chance they get, people come down hard on Purdy. I just don't understand it.

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Sounds like racism to me. Oh wait.

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Love had way more time to work than Purdy. For some reason, the 49ers line didn't get much pressure on Love--most of the time he seemed to have 5 seconds or so to make the play. Purdy had about 3 seconds. The loss of Deebo. The rain. Against a good playoff team that had jelled late in the season and had just crushed the Cowboys on the road. On national television. A great quarterback overcomes all that. Winning ugly is still winning. Scrambling on the last drive was a winning quarterback play and he has better speed than most to succeed in those scrambles. Garoppolo couldn't have done that.

He's only in his second year. Love has two more years in the league. Purdy is a terrific story, being Mr. Irrelevant and finding himself starting only because the first two quarterbacks got injured. He's a nice kid. I don't understand the crapping on him. Calling him a choke artist? Really? Why do that.

I haven't seen any posts on this thread crowning him as the next Joe Montana. And that would be ridiculous. Pointing out that Montana had tough playoff games is not saying that Purdy is Montana. But I like the Purdy story and he has now taken the 49ers to the NFC Championship game two years in a row. He was the highest statistically rated quarterback this season. Why not root for him? I get it if you root against the 49er, but otherwise maybe enjoy what he is doing until he actually fails. And he might fail. He might falter and drop into obscurity. But for now, he's pretty damn good and I'm on the Purdy Train.

I'm also rooting big time for my side piece--Goff and the Lions. If its Lion's vs. 49ers next week--even though I am a long time 49er fan--I will be pretty ambivalent on the outcome. I so want Jared to win the Super Bowl. Instead of joining a Super Bowl level team like Stafford, Goff would have done it by leading the sad sack Lions to the promised land. I want to see "How do you like me now LA?" Jared memes. And beating the Rams to get there would double the pleasure. He was the kid who always wanted to be a bear. I met Jared at Fan Appreciation Day in his freshman year before he had played a down for the Bears. Such a good kid and he still seems to be a great person. Go Bears!

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I stopped worrying about Jared after I saw his wife. He's already won the game.

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Yep purdy did have less time to throw and still had both a higher qbr and qb rating than love (granted, purdy had two dropped picks, but that's coulda woulda shoulda land)

I don't see anyone (not just here but packers fans, national media, etc) criticising Love. Since he's apparently everyone's golden child. But at the very first chance they get, people come down hard on Purdy. I just don't understand it.

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Sounds like racism to me. Oh wait.

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Not necessarily. You see Josh Allen and Justin Herbert also get forgiven for their mistakes in a way Purdy isn't. I think it is more about who was considered an elite talent out of college.

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ducky23 said:

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Yep purdy did have less time to throw and still had both a higher qbr and qb rating than love (granted, purdy had two dropped picks, but that's coulda woulda shoulda land)

I don't see anyone (not just here but packers fans, national media, etc) criticising Love. Since he's apparently everyone's golden child. But at the very first chance they get, people come down hard on Purdy. I just don't understand it.

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Sounds like racism to me. Oh wait.

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Nah, everyone thinks Shanahan's system is genius and the QB less important. It's systemic racism.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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ducky23 said:

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Yep purdy did have less time to throw and still had both a higher qbr and qb rating than love (granted, purdy had two dropped picks, but that's coulda woulda shoulda land)

I don't see anyone (not just here but packers fans, national media, etc) criticising Love. Since he's apparently everyone's golden child. But at the very first chance they get, people come down hard on Purdy. I just don't understand it.

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Sounds like racism to me. Oh wait.

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Not necessarily. You see Josh Allen and Justin Herbert also get forgiven for their mistakes in a way Purdy isn't. I think it is more about who was considered an elite talent out of college.

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Kidding

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82gradDLSdad said:

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ducky23 said:

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Yep purdy did have less time to throw and still had both a higher qbr and qb rating than love (granted, purdy had two dropped picks, but that's coulda woulda shoulda land)

I don't see anyone (not just here but packers fans, national media, etc) criticising Love. Since he's apparently everyone's golden child. But at the very first chance they get, people come down hard on Purdy. I just don't understand it.

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Sounds like racism to me. Oh wait.

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Nah, everyone thinks Shanahan's system is genius and the QB less important. It's systemic racism.

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This is genius

82gradDLSdad said:

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I stopped worrying about Jared after I saw his wife. He's already won the game.

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Pretty sure Goff has won the game several times already.
Great Cal career.
#1 NFL draft pick.
Hot wife.
Brings Detroit their first playoff win in 32 years.
More money than he knows what to do with.

I'm guessing he's getting tired of winning at this point.

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golden sloth said:

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I dont know what to make of Purdy after that drive. Yes, the niners got a touchdown, but he also didnt throw the ball past 10 yards once.

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Isn't that what Joe Montana's big drives were mostly like? The Packers were taking away deep passes; he took what was given.

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Purdy's performance level is much closer to Garoppolo than Montana.

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I might suggest you review the 1981 NFC Championship again, you know the one with Montana's legendary "The Catch" drive? He threw three picks in the game, and most of the last drive was runs and short throws. How is that different from Purdy in this game?

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I might suggest you review the 1981 NFC Championship game again.

First interception:


Second interception:


Third interception:


Two long passes and a tipped ball.

I don't think Montana should have thrown either of those two long passes, but there's a giant difference between that and throwing it straight to a guy that you obviously didn't see, which he's done multiple times over the last two seasons. I think his lack of height probably plays into that somewhat, but his big challenge over the rest of his career is cutting down on those mistakes.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I stopped worrying about Jared after I saw his wife. He's already won the game.

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Pretty sure Goff has won the game several times already.
Great Cal career.
#1 NFL draft pick.
Hot wife.
Brings Detroit their first playoff win in 32 years.
More money than he knows what to do with.

I'm guessing he's getting tired of winning at this point.

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Some guys have all the luck. And he's got that generational wealth fallback because of his Cal degree.