Is it time to unleash Bigelow?

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heartofthebear
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Saturday is a must win game for the bears post season hopes.<br />I'm not a big fan of what I've seen of Bigelow so far. <br />And I'm not saying he should start instead of Sofele.<br />But the fact that he hasn't been used much means OSU doesn't<br />have much film on him.<br />I have a hunch that his surprise factor could be a difference maker<br />in what could be a close game Saturday. Thoughts?
KoreAmBear
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His value is when he can use his speed. He doesn't hit the hole hard. So right now his speed is kind of irrelevant. I'm not sure when he's going to start playing with abandon, whether this or next season. I have to believe this is mental with him and that the injury is still in his head.
Big C
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I think people are going to need to get over how awesome he looked on his high school highlight video.
alarsuel
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He has been no factor thus far. Why would anyone want him to play more? His high school film doesn't mean anything now. I hope he gets over whatever is holding him back, but the best players, not talents, should play. As of now there are 4 better backs and at least that many kick returners.
TheScientist
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It would be a surprise, but if Gould (who has proven his skills as a coach over the years) and the rest of the staff don't think Bigelow is ready to play, then we should trust them. Gould knows how to handle our running backs.
Cal84
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You guys just luv to throw Cal personnel under the bus don't you? He's a freshman. One who didn't even play that much the last couple of years in HS. Jahvid didn't play much his frosh year either. He mostly returned kicks and covered kickoffs before his injury. The last RB who's redshirt we burned and spent most of his frosh year getting nothing other than some special teams playing time? Isi Sofele. Last I looked he made some decent contributions by the time he was a junior.
pappysghost
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No, we can win this one without him. We unleash him against the Furd. That's been the plan all year so let's stick to it.
bear1027
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Tedford said today that he thinks Bigelow can contribute this year but next year will be Bigelow's bigger year since he hasn't played football in 2 years. There's an adjustment to the speed of the game plus getting used to just playing football again. He said one of the biggest things for young players is being in game plan meetings, so Bigelow has been learning this whole time. Tedford also said that spring, summer, and fall camp is where he expects Bigelow will really improve to be part of the RB rotation.
pappysghost
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I just pray he doesn't get hurt again.
KoreAmBear
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<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal84;620151 said:</div><hr>You guys just luv to throw Cal personnel under the bus don't you? He's a freshman. One who didn't even play that much the last couple of years in HS. Jahvid didn't play much his frosh year either. He mostly returned kicks and covered kickoffs before his injury. The last RB who's redshirt we burned and spent most of his frosh year getting nothing other than some special teams playing time? Isi Sofele. Last I looked he made some decent contributions by the time he was a junior.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />No one is throwing him under the bus. But no one is saying he should play because his HS videos were sick, either. Jahvid looked like Jahvid the first time he touched the ball -- at Colorado State I believe, where he bumped into Desean slowing him down, then he hit the B button and ran away. You could tell Russell White was special as soon as he touched the rock. I think we were hoping Bigelow would enter this kind of way, in grand style. But no. That's not saying he won't eventually. But right now, he's not that kind of player.
heartofthebear
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I'm not sure that his underwhelming performance is due to his head or his leg or his age. As we have seen with QB, nobody is going to perform well without the reps in practice. I doubt he is getting the necessary reps to be a serious factor. But I think it is way too early to condemn him to the status of recruiting bust. If we trust Gould to make the right call on who plays, why can't we trust that he could see beyond the highlights when recruiting.<br />Bigelow will be a factor eventually, but I agree that it probably won't be until next year.
bear1027
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<blockquote><div class="name-said">KoreAmBear;620167 said:</div><hr>No one is throwing him under the bus. But no one is saying he should play because his HS videos were sick, either. Jahvid looked like Jahvid the first time he touched the ball -- at Colorado State I believe, where he bumped into Desean slowing him down, then he hit the B button and ran away. You could tell Russell White was special as soon as he touched the rock. I think we were hoping Bigelow would enter this kind of way, in grand style. But no. That's not saying he won't eventually. But right now, he's not that kind of player.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />He actually got some carries in the opener against Tenn. <br /><br />Got smacked hard for a minimal gain on his first touch: <a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> 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Bigs just doesn't seem to be mentally all there. From the limited amount of action we've seen him in, it just feels like he's tentative and not hitting the hole with a lot of confidence. Might have been OK in HS when he could outrun everyone, but at this level he needs to run with authority, and I just haven't seen any of that from him this year.
hanky1
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I really don't understand some of the responses to this thread. How can anyone knock on Bigelow right now and say he's no good?<br /><br />The guy has 5 freakin carries!<br /><br />I can recall on at least 2 of those carries he was immediately hit behind the line of scrimmage. One of those was a lateral pass in which he was immediately drilled for a big loss. No one, not even Barry Sanders, Jesus Chris, or Chuck Norris would have gained any yards on those plays.<br /><br />This means his sample size is roughly 3 carries. <br /><br />Um...ok.
TheScientist
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We're not saying Bigelow is trash or anything. I think the consensus is just, as a true freshman, he's not ready to contribute at the same level as some of the more experienced guys, even if Bigelow seems to have more physical gifts. We all think he has the potential to be a tremendous talent on the team, but it's damn hard to make an impact when you're in your first year of college adjusting to life and your fellow running backs (competition for play time) are so talented.
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<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal84;620151 said:</div><hr>You guys just luv to throw Cal personnel under the bus don't you? He's a freshman. One who didn't even play that much the last couple of years in HS. Jahvid didn't play much his frosh year either. He mostly returned kicks and covered kickoffs before his injury. The last RB who's redshirt we burned and spent most of his frosh year getting nothing other than some special teams playing time? Isi Sofele. Last I looked he made some decent contributions by the time he was a junior.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You're wrong about Jahvid not playing much as a freshman before his injury. It's certainly not comparable to the non-factor Bigelow is on offense.<br /><br />Jahvid's freshman offensive stats:<br /><br />29 carries, 221 yards, 2 TDs<br />13 catches, 74 yards, 1 TD<br /><br />Bigelow's offensive stats to date:<br /><br />5 carries, 24 yards, 0 TDs<br />1 catch, 11 yards, 0 TDs.<br /><br />Best had a highlight run in his first college game, the awesome 45-31 win over Tennessee at Memorial.<br /><br /><a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a 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I hope Bigelow goes on to become a star, and certainly guys have contributed less as freshman than he has and have still gone on to become stars but comparing his freshman year to Best's is certainly inaccurate.
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Takes 2 years to completely recover from a major ACL surgery both physically and mentally. He'll be much better next year and even better the year after.<br />He'll regain all his speed. I don't think that is a concern. Having said that, it's still unknown how good or average he'll be when he's recovered completely.
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target="_blank"><a href="<a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href=" class="postlink " target="_blank"> /><br /><br />Man, I forgot how fast Jahvid is!<hr></blockquote><br /><br />No kidding. I clicked on the youtube page and then started checking out all of his awesome runs. Love ya Jahvid.
Davidson
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Time to (continue to) unleash Sofele.
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<blockquote><div class="name-said">Davidson;620240 said:</div><hr>Time to (continue to) unleash Sofele.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Exactly.<br /><br />Real Bigelow won't be unleased until 2012 season. After TWO ACL surgeries, he's not yet 100%.
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I've also heard that he is having a tough time learning the play book. Not really picking it up very well. This more than anything is hurting his chances to play. It is not a lack of desire from the coaching staff.
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My guess is that we will see the exact same thing against OSU that we saw against WSU. A possibility we may see a few more Manuel touches.
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Tedford said Bigelow was his single best recruit ever. It's logical people expected to see more.
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We're pretty deep at the RB position with players who produce. No, they aren't Jahvid Best but they've helped us win games. Also, many of our earlier games focused on the passing game so pass pro was very important.<br /><br />Last game aside, we haven't won with the run or been consistently getting much push at the line. <br /><br />These two factors may be the reason why we haven't used Biggie as much. <br /><br />He hasn't gotten many carries but it seems that he's slowly progressing. He had a nice return in the last game. H
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<blockquote><div class="name-said">KoreAmBear;620167 said:</div><hr>You could tell Russell White was special as soon as he touched the rock.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />True. I liked that return.
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He's not going to be unleashed this week, next week or against ASU. I'm hopeful we can make it to a bowl game because there is a decent chance that he could see some action in the bowl game. He will benefit a lot from spring camp and may very well be our starting RB in 2012. <br /><br />If there's one thing we all know about Tedford - he has his guys that he likes and he seems to stay with them. He absolutely loves Bigelow and as soon as he's minimally ready - he'll get him on the field.
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At best I'd say give him a fly sweep. Generally, he hasn't shown he should be out there though, and given the lack of touches, I imagine it's the same during practice.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr>I really don't understand some of the responses to this thread. How can anyone knock on Bigelow right now and say he's no good?<br /><br />The guy has 5 freakin carries!<br /><br />I can recall on at least 2 of those carries he was immediately hit behind the line of scrimmage. One of those was a lateral pass in which he was immediately drilled for a big loss. No one, not even Barry Sanders, Jesus Chris, or Chuck Norris would have gained any yards on those plays.<br /><br />This means his sample size is roughly 3 carries.<br /><br />Um...ok. <hr></blockquote><br /><br />He has 5 carries, 1 reception....and 21 kickoff returns. The kickoff returns especially should give him some open field to show what he can do, and he just hasn't looked explosive yet. Furthermore, if you really want to get into the statistics side of things, well, there's a correlation between carries and talent. You say not enough sample size, I say the sample size reflects that he isn't ready to play - if he was, he'd have more carries.
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I trust that Bigs will put it altogether. I agree that it may be as soon as the bowl game, should we make it. Another reason to get out there and cheer like hell for the Bears this weekend.
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<blockquote><div class="name-said">CousinVinnieB;620283 said:</div><hr><b>I've also heard that he is having a tough time learning the play book. </b>Not really picking it up very well. This more than anything is hurting his chances to play. It is not a lack of desire from the coaching staff.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />It's not the play book he's having trouble with. It's the encyclopedia Brittanica, which is a prerequisite to the play book that's bogging him down.<br />Maybe one of the older players can give him the cliff notes.:rolleyes:<br />Isn't it interesting that JT was able to simplify the play book for Zach because he was in his first year, yet others languish.
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I think it's time to unleash Manuel a little more
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<blockquote><div class="name-said">SmellinRoses;620310 said:</div><hr>Tedford said Bigelow was his single best recruit ever. It's logical people expected to see more.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I'm going to assume that he means he didn't directly recruit Marshawn and Jahvid and DeShawn. Because I can't believe he believed Bigelow to be better than them regardless of the highlights. Anybody coming off an ACL is not your best recruit. You could write a book of assenine quotes by JT but that one has to be near the top. I expect Bigelow will be good but not as good as the others and not as quickly. I expect that Bigelow could get to the level Forsett was at some point.
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<blockquote><div class="name-said">dajo9;620592 said:</div><hr>I think it's time to unleash Manuel a little more<hr></blockquote><br /><br />MM13's running style is unmistakable that of someone coached by Gould. <br /><br />I just hope our more physically talented runners can learn to do all the things Gould wants them to do--so they can see the field. <br /><br />Down the line, maybe Lasco can put it all together?
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Totally understandable given his injuries, but if you watch that Best run against Tennessee it shows that even as a freshman he had his amazing ability to slow on a dime or cut at full speed. BB is running in straight lines--and appears to be running a little scared. He's had some cut back avenues on his plays but he is either not seeing them or still tentative to do anything except run to a designated hole. <br /><br />I've never seen a player laid out more times. It's Charlie Brownesque. He has something like 10-15 touches on the year and he has been absolutely blasted on all but a a few. He must be thinking "Damn, college ball is brutal." His straight path and lack of wiggle is setting him up for these collisions.<br /><br />Hope he is toughened by this and not made gun-shy.
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I think it's way too early to worry about bigelow. He had plenty of wiggle in HS and although everything blungold said is true, there's nothing to indicate that he won't round into form in the near future. <br /><br />As for the comparison to Forsett - if Bigelow is is close to as good as Forsett was in all facets of the game he will be absolutely brilliant for us. If Forsett had Bigelow's 2nd gear he would have scored many more TDs and had several hundred more yards per season. Heck if Isi had Bigelow's top end speed he'd be having a ridiculous season right now. I would expect Bigelow to have 500+ yards next year as a situational back weighing 185-190lbs and the starter in 2013 at 195lbs. He'll be a star. I'm admittedly basing this almost entirely on his HS performance pre-injury and the fact that Tedford and Gould have faith in him but they appear to have been correct with every single RB choice (it's quite obvious to me that Isi is the best RB on the roster right now) so I don't have any reason to question them on BB's future.
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<blockquote><div class="name-said">blungld;620647 said:</div><hr>Totally understandable given his injuries, but if you watch that Best run against Tennessee it shows that even as a freshman he had his amazing ability to slow on a dime or cut at full speed. BB is running in straight lines--and appears to be running a little scared. He's had some cut back avenues on his plays but he is either not seeing them or still tentative to do anything except run to a designated hole. <br /><br />I've never seen a player laid out more times. It's Charlie Brownesque. He has something like 10-15 touches on the year and he has been absolutely blasted on all but a a few. He must be thinking "Damn, college ball is brutal." His straight path and lack of wiggle is setting him up for these collisions.<br /><br />Hope he is toughened by this and not made gun-shy.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Yea, agreed. When watching his feet, he is taking a lot of tiny steps in trying to make a cut. That shows to me that he isn't sure of planting hard on one leg while running at full speed. <br /><br />He needs time--and he certainly has more opportunity ahead of him--this just certainly isn't an auspicious beginning.
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