Gundy lobbied for a spot in BCS game yesterday. Add him to the list of coaches/programs we should hate until we go to our graves. <br /><br />Gundy<br />Tubberville (Auburn)<br />Saban (from 2 weeks ago)<br />Bellotti (plus Oregon AD at the time)<br />Shaw<br />Brown<br /><br />Those are just off the top of my head. These coaches an their programs should be vilified into eternity.

You'd rather see a LSU-Bama rematch? Really?? <br /><br />Does Gundy have a brother in the coaches poll? This doesn't even approach what Mack Brown did to us in 2004. This is like David Shaw territory, if even.<br /><br />OSU is more than deserving.

Why shouldn't he lobby for his team? Why is that do deplorable?

doesn't matter - Gundy lobbied/politicked, so he is now a kneepads wearing scumbag, and I will forever hate him and his team - and everyone here should as well

Shouldn't we villify the coach who doesnt try to get his program into the BCS championship? I mean, how is lobbying a bad thing? I always thought Tedford taking the "high road" in 2004 was dumb.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">tydog;643607 said:</div><hr>Shouldn't we villify the coach who doesnt try to get his program into the BCS championship? I mean, how is lobbying a bad thing? I always thought Tedford taking the "high road" in 2004 was dumb.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I actually agree - coaches should do their job, and if that includes making a public case for their team, I'm fine with it.<br /><br />I'm just pointing out the inconsistency of so many here who hate on Mack Brown for doing just that in 2004, yet don't seem bothered by anybody else doing it (or, in fact, actually defending it)<br /><br />if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander (or whatever that phrase is)

You can't understand why many here care about the guy that did it to hurt Cal and not the others? Really?

Oklahoma State should be banned from the post season for challenging the integrity of the game.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643608 said:</div><hr>I'm just pointing out the inconsistency of so many here who hate on Mack Brown for doing just that in 2004, yet don't seem bothered by anybody else doing it (or, in fact, actually defending it)<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You do it with such finesse too.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643608 said:</div><hr>I actually agree - coaches should do their job, and if that includes making a public case for their team, I'm fine with it.<br /><br />I'm just pointing out the inconsistency of so many here who hate on Mack Brown for doing just that in 2004, yet don't seem bothered by anybody else doing it (or, in fact, actually defending it)<br /><br />if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander (or whatever that phrase is)<hr></blockquote><br /><br />FAIL.<br /><br />Making a PUBLIC case is one thing. Calling up coaches the night before like a little bitch pleading for them to vote the team ahead of you down and you up is another.<br /><br />/thread.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643605 said:</div><hr>doesn't matter - Gundy lobbied/politicked, so he is now a kneepads wearing scumbag, and I will forever hate him and his team - and everyone here should as well<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Thank you for telling us how we should feel. This is a totally different situation as socalbear has pointed out. You are really something in all your postings

You guys are getting trolled.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643605 said:</div><hr>doesn't matter - Gundy lobbied/politicked, so he is now a kneepads wearing scumbag, and I will forever hate him and his team - and everyone here should as well<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Why is it bad for coaches to lobby for their teams? Cal fans dislike Mack Brown because he did it to us, but outside of that, you really can't blame him for doing what's best for his team- within established rules.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">FremontBear;643639 said:</div><hr>Why is it bad for coaches to lobby for their teams? Cal fans dislike Mack Brown because he did it to us, but outside of that, you really can't blame him for doing what's best for his team- within established rules.<hr></blockquote><br />It was Brown at #5 lobbying to be #4, the spot that WE held, saying we were not deserving. It was Brown calling coaches and some coaches dropping us down below 2 loss Georgia as a result. While others have lobbied for their team, no other example comes close--plus it was done to US!<br /><br />Here is a good summary of 2004: <a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html"""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html"""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html""""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html""""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html"""</a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html"""</a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html"""</a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html"""</a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html""</a>""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html""</a>""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html""</a>"</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html""</a>"</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html""</a></a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html""</a></a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html""</a></a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://bcsguru.blogspot.com/2008/08/ten-years-of-bcs-2004.html""</a></a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank">LINK</a><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr>The Mack Brown Campaign: In 2003, Texas finished No. 5 in the BCS standings but was relegated to the Holiday Bowl. The Longhorns seemed headed to San Diego again in 2004, until coach Mack Brown did something about it.<br /><br />With undefeated Utah poised to become the first BCS Buster, there was only one BCS bowl slot available to a non-conference champion. And since the No. 4 team was guaranteed an at-large spot, the race was on between Texas and California.<br /><br />The Golden Bears had a tenuous hold on the fourth spot since October. Their only loss all season was a 23-17 heartbreaker to USC at the L.A. Coliseum when they couldn't get the ball in the end zone from the 9-yard line in the game's waning moments. Texas's only loss was a 12-0 defeat at the Cotton Bowl against the Sooners. <br /><br />After Cal routed archrival Stanford in the Big Game, its season should've been over. But once again, a hurricane proved to be a Pac-10 team's undoing, as it was in 1998. The Bears' Sept. 23 game at Southern Mississippi was postponed because of Hurricane Ivan, and it was re-scheduled for Dec. 4.<br /><br />Texas was done with its schedule on Nov. 26, after beating rival Texas A&M. Immediately thereafter, Brown started an endless media campaign on behalf of his No. 5-ranked Longhorns. His tactics also made the Cal-Southern Miss matchup something of a referendum on the Bears, whose game would be nationally televised on ESPN.<br /><br />Perhaps affected by the pressure and expectations, the Bears did not play an impressive game, but nonetheless they won, 26-16. While Cal coach Jeff Tedford thought his team had done what it needed to secure the program's first Rose Bowl berth since 1959, others weren't so sure.<br /><br />The Bears' worst fears were realized when they fell from No. 4 to No. 5 in the final BCS standings as Texas snatched the coveted Rose Bowl berth. Voter defection carried the day. In the AP poll, Cal's advantage over Texas shrunk from 85 points to 62. But the real story was the coaches poll.<br /><br />In the penultimate standings, Cal held a 48-point lead over Texas. In the one that counted, it was ahead by a mere 5 points. In other words, no fewer than 20 coaches switched their placements of Texas and Cal. But more telling was that four coaches voted Cal No. 7 and two No. 8 -- after a Bears victory, and behind 2-loss Georgia.<br /><br />Predictably, the Pac-10 was furious and demanded that the coaches disclose their final ballot.The AFCA refused and disputed the suggestions that impropriety took place behind the cloak of secrecy. The Longhorns went on to win the Rose Bowl behind the electrifying performance of sophomore QB Vince Young. The dispirited Bears were routed by Texas Tech in the Holiday Bowl.<br /><br />The Texas-California controversy had a long-lasting effect on the BCS standings. First, the AP poll refused to be included in the BCS standings after the 2004 season. Because all AP poll balloting is available to the public, some AP voters were harassed and threatened by fans who were unhappy with the decisions. The BCS had to scramble and invent the "Harris Interactive Poll" to replace the venerable and prestigious AP poll in its standings. Second, to promote more transparency, the coaches reluctantly agreed to reveal their final regular-season balloting.<br /><br />Through it all, Tedford took the high road. He didn't try to score an extra touchdown against Southern Miss in the game's final minutes to curry favor with the voters and never indulged in a war of words with Brown or anyone else. And the final irony was that the AP flip-flops alone would've put Texas ahead of Cal in the final standings. But the coaches ended up catching most of the heat because of their shenanigans. <br /><br />BCS Formula Review: The BCS blew up its previous formula (BCS I) and started from scratch. The new formula (BCS II) comprised of only two parts -- the human polls and computers. Strength of Schedule and Quality Win components were purged. <br /><br />The human polls now account for two-thirds of the formula, with the AP poll and coaches poll each weighing one third. Instead of using the team's actual ranking, the formula now calls for the percentage of total votes received. This alteration actually made the deciding difference in the Texas-Cal controversy as the old formula would've disregarded the vote-margin difference.<br /><br />The computer ratings shrank further from seven to six, with the New York Times bowing out. The new formula required strength of schedule to be part of each computer's calculations. The computer average counts for one-third of the formula, with the highest and lowest rating for each team discarded.<br /><br />After replacing the AP with Harris poll following the 2004 season, this formula has stayed exactly intact, at least through the 2008 season.<br /><br />Analysis: The twin controversies engulfed the 2004 season, mitigated only somewhat by USC's impressive Orange Bowl win and "repeat" championship. But unlike the previous season, the BCS did not blow up the system and start from scratch again.<br /><br />The nonchalant, near-shrug of a reaction actually, in the long view, saved the BCS. It's as if the BCS simply stated: "We're here to stay so deal with it." It may be because the BCS couldn't risk undergoing another wholesale change without completely destroying its already-tattered credibility. Or because there just wasn't anything else to do short of going to a playoff system.<br /><br />Either way, this steadfastness would serve BCS well, for better or for worse. Despite all the outcry in the subsequent seasons, the public and media began to grudgingly accept the BCS for what it is.<hr></blockquote>

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Calcoholic;643632 said:</div><hr>You guys are getting trolled.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Clearly. Thread fail

The Phil Knight of Okies: <blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr>T. Boone Pickens chairs the hedge fund BP Capital Management. He was a well-known takeover operator and corporate raider during the 1980s.Since 1980, Pickens has made over $5 million in political donations. He was a financial supporter of President George W. Bush and contributed heavily to both his Texas and national political campaigns. In 2004, Pickens contributed to Republican 527 groups, including a $2 million contribution to the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth which ran an advertising campaign asserting that Bush's rival, John Kerry, exaggerated claims about his service in Vietnam, and $2.5 million to the Progress for America advocacy group. In 2005, Pickens was among 53 entities that contributed the maximum of $250,000 to Bush's second inauguration. <hr></blockquote><br /><br />:headbang

I though it was awesome!!! <br /><br />he said "who wants to see another 9-6 game? We want a 38-28 type game. We also want to see how good these SEC defenses really are."<br /><br />The 9-6 game was boring. He also called out the SEC. (NICE!)... Basically saying we aren't sold on how good the SEC defenses are.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BearsLair72;643691 said:</div><hr>The Phil Knight of Okies: <br /><br />:headbang<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I'm not shedding any tears for him, but if they really screw Okie State, then the BCS will have a powerful enemy in Pickens:<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr><br />"If we don't get in the BCS (championship game), I'm not kidding you, if I have the power to do it, I'm going to have an investigation," Pickens said after OSU's 44-10 Bedlam victory Saturday night.<br /><br />"After the way we handled OU tonight, somehow I can't imagine LSU playing Alabama twice. It doesn't make sense. It looks like it's an SEC closed system if that happens and Alabama didn't even win the conference...<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OSU/article.aspx?subjectid=93&articleid=20111204_93_0_STILLW401116""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OSU/article.aspx?subjectid=93&articleid=20111204_93_0_STILLW401116""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OSU/article.aspx?subjectid=93&articleid=20111204_93_0_STILLW401116"""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OSU/article.aspx?subjectid=93&articleid=20111204_93_0_STILLW401116"""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OSU/article.aspx?subjectid=93&articleid=20111204_93_0_STILLW401116""</a>"" class="postlink " 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<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643608 said:</div><hr>I actually agree - coaches should do their job, and if that includes making a public case for their team, I'm fine with it.<br /><br />I'm just pointing out the inconsistency of so many here who hate on Mack Brown for doing just that in 2004, yet don't seem bothered by anybody else doing it (or, in fact, actually defending it)<br /><br />if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander (or whatever that phrase is)<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br />You're such a predictable tool. Go blow Mack Brown.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SoCalBear323;643625 said:</div><hr>FAIL.<br /><br />Making a PUBLIC case is one thing. Calling up coaches the night before like a little bitch pleading for them to vote the team ahead of you down and you up is another.<br /><br />/thread.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />1. Do you know that this happened (called all the coaches "like a little bitch"<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />">? And, even if he did, not sure if that's meaningfully different from public lobbying, or Oregon's trip down to BCS HQ to lobby for their inclusion in the Fiesta.<br /><br />2. What about the coaches polls that had Texas at #8 or 9? Weren't those just as bad?<br /><br />The only thing we know for sure that happened is Brown went on TV after the A&M game and lobbied his team's case.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">grandmastapoop;643729 said:</div><hr>You're such a predictable tool. Go blow Mack Brown.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Wow - what a nice guy.<br /><br />Why don't you go on Bama's boards and bitch and moan about Gundy being classless, possessing knee pads, etc?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643732 said:</div><hr>Wow - what a nice guy.<br /><br />Why don't you go on Bama's boards and bitch and moan about Gundy being classless, possessing knee pads, etc?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Because I never posted on Texas' board about Mack Brown. You're a troll and a tool.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643730 said:</div><hr>1. Do you know that this happened (called all the coaches "like a little bitch"<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />">? And, even if he did, not sure if that's meaningfully different from public lobbying, or Oregon's trip down to BCS HQ to lobby for their inclusion in the Fiesta.<br /><br />2. What about the coaches polls that had Texas at #8 or 9? Weren't those just as bad?<br /><br />The only thing we know for sure that happened is Brown went on TV after the A&M game and lobbied his team's case.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br />No. Chris Fowler said that Mack Brown called him personally to lobby him and that he did the same to others. Whether it made a difference or not doesn't matter, it was classless.<br /><br /><br />Interestingly, you hate that Cal fans dislike Mack Brown, but your idiotic troll posts bring it up more than anything else. 80% of the people posting don't even realize you are being a troll because it is not at the forefront of their mind. You are the one fixated on the subject.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">grandmastapoop;643735 said:</div><hr>Because I never posted on Texas' board about Mack Brown. You're a troll and a tool.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You should be on there, defending their honor against such atrocious attacks on their BCS hopes. You should also be simultaneously defending them against Shaw calling them out 3 weeks ago. Those poor southern rubes need the high-minded, intellectual Cal fans to plead their case.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">grandmastapoop;643737 said:</div><hr>No. Chris Fowler said that Mack Brown called him personally to lobby him and that he did the same to others. Whether it made a difference or not doesn't matter, it was classless.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />No idea if that is true or not - but if it is, Mack should have received a raise. Tedford should have done the same thing on our behalf. This isn't ethics class, it's big $$$ college football. <br /><br />I don't begrudge Bellotti's actions, nor when a coach goes to bat for his team.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">grandmastapoop;643737 said:</div><hr>No. Chris Fowler said that Mack Brown called him personally to lobby him and that he did the same to others. Whether it made a difference or not doesn't matter, it was classless.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Exactly. Lobbying is fine, especially given the system that we have. But it's the way in which he lobbied that was objectionable. Coupled with the fact that it happened to screw us over in the process makes it particularly deplorable.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">grandmastapoop;643737 said:</div><hr>No. Chris Fowler said that Mack Brown called him personally to lobby him and that he did the same to others. Whether it made a difference or not doesn't matter, it was classless.<br /><br /><br />Interestingly, you hate that Cal fans dislike Mack Brown, but your idiotic troll posts bring it up more than anything else. 80% of the people posting don't even realize you are being a troll because it is not at the forefront of their mind. You are the one fixated on the subject.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />no, there have been a series of multi-page threads on this subject (i.e. how much we hate Brown for what he did) this entire week

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Vandalus;643741 said:</div><hr>Exactly. Lobbying is fine, especially given the system that we have. But it's the way in which he lobbied that was objectionable. Coupled with the fact that it happened to screw us over in the process makes it particularly deplorable.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />It's the fact that we got jumped that is the key difference - nothing more. If Tedford had done what Brown had done, people here would have gone to the same lengths to defend it.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643744 said:</div><hr>It's the fact that we got jumped that is the key difference - nothing more. If Tedford had done what Brown had done, people here would have gone to the same lengths to defend it.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Why do you care so much about this subject? It's sports. There are villains. Fans hate opposing players because of the colors they wear. Why do you continually bring this subject up? Why do you care if Cal fans hate Mack Brown?

When ESPN repeatably says there is 0% chance of oSu getting in and allows Saban on the set of gameday for 2 hours, what Gundy did was acceptable.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">AZGoldenBear;643716 said:</div><hr>I though it was awesome!!! <br /><br />he said "who wants to see another 9-6 game? We want a 38-28 type game. We also want to see how good these SEC defenses really are."<br /><br />The 9-6 game was boring. He also called out the SEC. (NICE!)... Basically saying we aren't sold on how good the SEC defenses are.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I'm loving how a lot of these Big 12 and SEC coaches are making college FB more WWE-like, with their public call-outs and going for 2 on 4th down and being bad-a$$es in general. We saw very little of this 20 or even 10 years ago.<br /><br />Tedford, for better or worse, seems to be the polar opposite of that.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643744 said:</div><hr>It's the fact that we got jumped that is the key difference - nothing more. If Tedford had done what Brown had done, people here would have gone to the same lengths to defend it.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Stop asking a bunch of people who had their hearts literally ripped out by a flawed system to be objective. The Rose Bowl meant more to cal in 2004 than the championship game means to Bama this year. Bama went to the Championship game a few years ago, and are BCS bowl bound either way. Cal hasn't been to the Rose Bowl since 1959 and haven't won since 1937. Roses before I die, and Tequilla for Kapp are trademarks for the Berkeley program. People who aren't close to the program have zero clue how important this game was to us, and frankly, Texas has no real ties to the Rose Bowl nor do they really care about it in particular, its just another BCS bowl game.<br /><br />The series of event leading to cal getting shafted in 2004 completely changed how the BCS has handled bowl games, and it wouldn't happen again today. Theres an additional BCS bowl game (10 teams vs 8), the AP no longer counts for the vote, and the final coaches ballot is public. ALL of those things were put in place to prevent a situation like Cal being shafted from *ever* happening again.<br /><br />By comparison, if OSU gets denied a spot in the championship game, if anything, rules will be put in place to prevent THAT from happening again. Something along the lines of you have to be a conference champion to be in the championship game, or two teams from the same conference cannot be in the championship game (no, I'm not convinced this is going to lead to a playoff).<br /><br />If you want objectivity, avoid college football fans. We're an emotional lot by nature...thats why we like college football over the NFL. And yes, I'm going to continue to hate and vilify Mack Brown...and nothing you say is going to change that.<br /><br />~MrGPAC

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643600 said:</div><hr>Gundy lobbied for a spot in BCS game yesterday. Add him to the list of coaches/programs we should hate until we go to our graves. <br /><br />Gundy<br />Tubberville (Auburn)<br />Saban (from 2 weeks ago)<br />Bellotti (plus Oregon AD at the time)<br />Shaw<br />Brown<br /><br />Those are just off the top of my head. These coaches an their programs should be vilified into eternity.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I have no problem with Mike Gundy lobbying for his team to get to the BCS title game. I would expect JT to do the same thing if Cal was in the same situation.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643730 said:</div><hr>1. Do you know that this happened (called all the coaches "like a little bitch"<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />">? And, even if he did, <b>not sure if that's meaningfully different from public lobbying</b>, or Oregon's trip down to BCS HQ to lobby for their inclusion in the Fiesta.<br /><br />2. What about the coaches polls that had Texas at #8 or 9? Weren't those just as bad?<br /><br />The only thing we know for sure that happened is Brown went on TV after the A&M game and lobbied his team's case.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />If you don't see how that's VERY different then I hope you didn't go to Cal. Are you that dweeb on shaggy that rips Cal any chance he gets?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SouthBayPhenom;643744 said:</div><hr>It's the fact that we got jumped that is the key difference - nothing more. <hr></blockquote><br /><br />You can't use 'we' because anyone paying attention to your posts knows you are no Cal fan.