<blockquote><div class="name-said">AuUrsinae;682475 said:</div><hr>Someone should start a poll on this question. Who was responsible for calling the code red against Oregon last yr?. If it was on Tosh, then his true color showed last yr(so this should be no surprise), but then it was fashionable to write it off as gamesmanship.<br /><br />Now if it was JT, then it shows "his" lack of character and class to let Tosh take the blame for the fiasco(ie-trip and push under public transit). Perhaps subconsciously, Tosh wanted to get back at the institution and person responsible for his humiliating situation last year. <br /><br />I would guess 2/3rd of the people on here think it was JT who called for the code red.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You need an option for "insignificant lack of character." Boundaries get pushed in sports. They get pushed in recruiting (*ahem*), they get pushed on the field. There are truly dirty things, like head-hunting a team's best player, or paying a runner $25,000. There are dirty things that are accepted, like holding on every play or the stuff that goes on in the pile. Speaking of ways to buy time, there are things that seem dirty but have been around for so long that they aren't, like taking a knee for two straight minutes rather than actually playing football, icing a kicker, etc. Within each of those, there're also degrees of difference. Cal's ~3 questionable injury timeouts in the entire game didn't cause us to shut down your offense. ASU's NINE freaking injury time-outs (was it 5 or 7 in the first half?) were really, truly ridiculous. Chase Thomas was just as blatant as Tipoti was in the Stanford game. If one of those Stanford or ASU coaches got hired tomorrow, no one would bring up their ethics. The only reason Oregon makes this an ethical issue for Cal is that analysts spent the next week dissecting the (entirely legitimate) ways that we shut down your O.

18 months later? Really? Ridiculous scenario - I was pissed at my boss 18 months ago - so he told me that I was great, gave me a 25% increase right after that, and then a year later offered to double my salary to about what my boss was making...so screw him!!

24 hours ago I thought the people saying this were a bit naive, but now.....maybe we really are better off without this individual. <br /><br />(I'm with MB, why mention him by name?)

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MoragaBear;682743 said:</div><hr>I'll just say this: It's worse than the original narrative. <br /><br />I get being underappreciated and all the ramifications that come with it but when you clear out in the middle of the night with no warning and are immediately in contact with recruits that morning when your employers don't even know yet and start not only recruiting for your new program the guys you recruited for Cal but tell them, "DON'T GO TO CAL?"<br /><br />That and other actions make this an irreparable rift, imo.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Yeah, in rereading my original post Tosh comes out better than I thought or hoped. It really is worse than that, as you say. Had to keep some things private, but as you say, Tosh did some reprehensable things wrt to timing and trust. I think it was an orchestrated attack by Sark and co. As I said earlier, he is dead to me and I am certain the athletic dept. as well.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MoragaBear;682743 said:</div><hr>I'll just say this: It's worse than the original narrative. <br /><br />I get being underappreciated and all the ramifications that come with it but when you clear out in the middle of the night with no warning and are immediately in contact with recruits that morning when your employers don't even know yet and start not only recruiting for your new program the guys you recruited for Cal but tell them, "DON'T GO TO CAL?"<br /><br />That and other actions make this an irreparable rift, imo.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Is there any NCAA rule about this kind of behavior. I would love it if the NCAA came down on Tra$$$$h and laid down a few year recruiting ban

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MoragaBear;682743 said:</div><hr>I'll just say this: It's worse than the original narrative. <br /><br />I get being underappreciated and all the ramifications that come with it but when you clear out in the middle of the night with no warning and are immediately in contact with recruits that morning when your employers don't even know yet and start not only recruiting for your new program the guys you recruited for Cal but tell them, "DON'T GO TO CAL?"<br /><br />That and other actions make this an irreparable rift, imo.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br />Wow!!!! This guy is horrible!!!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MoragaBear;682743 said:</div><hr>I'll just say this: It's worse than the original narrative. <br /><br />I get being underappreciated and all the ramifications that come with it but when you clear out in the middle of the night with no warning and are immediately in contact with recruits that morning when your employers don't even know yet and start not only recruiting for your new program the guys you recruited for Cal but tell them, "DON'T GO TO CAL?"<br /><br />That and other actions make this an irreparable rift, imo.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Do you have any explanation for this behavior? It just seems like there must be something we're not hearing...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">afroski;682755 said:</div><hr>Do you have any explanation for this behavior? It just seems like there must be something we're not hearing...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />If no one minds my baseless speculation, I would have to guess Pendergast (who is pretty much Tosh's boss) and Tosh didn't get along, especially since the Oregon thing.<br /><br />Once it became clear Pendergast wasn't moving on from Cal quickly and Tosh wasn't going to be DC for awhile, he began executing his exit plan with a vengeance. <br /><br />But I'm probably wrong. I have another theory involving free puppies.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Oski87;682732 said:</div><hr>18 months later? Really? Ridiculous scenario - I was pissed at my boss 18 months ago - so he told me that I was great, gave me a 25% increase right after that, and then a year later offered to double my salary to about what my boss was making...so screw him!!<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Sure he was PO'd and this is a CYA move but this is also a veiled threat by Tra$h Lupaid: I know where the bodies are buried. Don't mess with me.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LessMilesMoreTedford;682756 said:</div><hr>If no one minds my baseless speculation, I would have to guess Pendergast (who is pretty much Tosh's boss) and Tosh didn't get along, especially since the Oregon thing.<br /><br />Once it became clear Pendergast wasn't moving on from Cal quickly and Tosh wasn't going to be DC for awhile, he began executing his exit plan with a vengeance. <br /><br />But I'm probably wrong. I have another theory involving free puppies.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Cool so now when Sark gets fired after Udub is unable to win more then 7 8 games in the next 3 years, Tosh wont even have a job

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LessMilesMoreTedford;682756 said:</div><hr>If no one minds my baseless speculation, I would have to guess Pendergast (who is pretty much Tosh's boss) and Tosh didn't get along, especially since the Oregon thing.<br /><br />Once it became clear Pendergast wasn't moving on from Cal quickly and Tosh wasn't going to be DC for awhile, he began executing his exit plan with a vengeance. <br /><br />But I'm probably wrong. I have another theory involving free puppies.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I don't think the rift has anything to do with CP. More Tosh/JT. As I said earlier, I think it could be a number of reasons why the problem existed, but they had a problem. The timing of it and way it was handled seems to me to be a clear f you to JT. He was supposed to take a flight Monday morning to meet JT to go recruit. Instead he left JT a message saying he was gone, all the while recruiting against him and Cal. I should have hit him harder in the OP but I wanted to keep some stuff out. Now I'm just pissed... Even more. F Tosh.

Helpful outline in this thread of how it transpired and the sequence.<br /><br />We are all left to guess as to why he was so spiteful/angry- reeks of unprofessionalism/immaturity- since we all seem to believe he genuinely adored the institution.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">alarsuel;682760 said:</div><hr>I don't think the rift has anything to do with CP. More Tosh/JT. As I said earlier, I think it could be a number of reasons why the problem existed, but they had a problem. The timing of it and way it was handled seems to me to be a clear f you to JT. He was supposed to take a flight Monday morning to meet JT to go recruit. Instead he left JT a message saying he was gone, all the while recruiting against him and Cal. I should have hit him harder in the OP but I wanted to keep some stuff out. Now I'm just pissed... Even more. F Tosh.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The flight to nowhere is epic stuff. More of this needs to come out and those clowns need to sweat some now. We can't just let them hit the ground running and move on to business as usual.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">alarsuel;682748 said:</div><hr>Yeah, in rereading my original post Tosh comes out better than I thought or hoped. It really is worse than that, as you say. Had to keep some things private, but as you say, Tosh did some reprehensable things wrt to timing and trust. I think it was an orchestrated attack by Sark and co. As I said earlier, he is dead to me and I am certain the athletic dept. as well.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Any elaboration on the orchestrated attack point?<br /><br />I have half a mind to figure out where all these recruits (Cal recruits) live and just trail Lupoi for two weeks heckling him as he walks up to each kid's door for his (second) official visit. If only I didn't have a job...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MoragaBear;682743 said:</div><hr>I'll just say this: It's worse than the original narrative. <br /><br />I get being underappreciated and all the ramifications that come with it but when you clear out in the middle of the night with no warning and are immediately in contact with recruits that morning when your employers don't even know yet and start not only recruiting for your new program the guys you recruited for Cal but tell them, "DON'T GO TO CAL?"<br /><br />That and other actions make this an irreparable rift, imo.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Somebody please make this post sticky!!!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">avsrock90;682764 said:</div><hr>Any elaboration on the orchestrated attack point?<br /><hr></blockquote><br />That didn't come from any of my sources, but it is my thinking. I don't think the timing or the specific guys targeted is a coincidence. I think it was a specific attack on this recruiting class. Tosh was known for having a relationship with AA, Shaq, McCarthy, Shittu, and others. The WR class was also very strong, hence EK. That is what UW was after. Again, doesn't seem like coincidence to me.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">alarsuel;682760 said:</div><hr>I don't think the rift has anything to do with CP. More Tosh/JT. As I said earlier, I think it could be a number of reasons why the problem existed, but they had a problem. The timing of it and way it was handled seems to me to be a clear f you to JT. He was supposed to take a flight Monday morning to meet JT to go recruit. Instead he left JT a message saying he was gone, all the while recruiting against him and Cal. I should have hit him harder in the OP but I wanted to keep some stuff out. Now I'm just pissed... Even more. F Tosh.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Do you really believe this was intentional? At moments like this people that are professionally green make huge judgement errors and get pushed around by more experienced people. Sark has been in the football-as-a-business land for some time, Tosh had been at Cal his entire "adulthood". Tosh's quality as a recruiter was relating to 16 year-olds, not being a professional a-hole.<br /><br />Maybe dude meant it when he said he'd stay at Cal for $300K, he tells Sark no, Sark knows Cal can't go higher *and* he knows Tosh is about to see Shaq, then Sark comes in with an offer for $500K (plus a boat) and tells him he has 12 hours to decide. Dude panics, blurts out his dilemma to Shaq, can't see the long term view of passing on half-a-million-dollars-a-year, and gets out of town because he can't look JT in the face.<br /><br />Still the same impact, still burns every bridge and torpedoes his credibility. More immature than pure jerk.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">jabes;682772 said:</div><hr>Do you really believe this was intentional? At moments like this people that are professionally green make huge judgement errors and get pushed around by more experienced people. Sark has been in the football-as-a-business land for some time, Tosh had been at Cal his entire "adulthood". Tosh's quality as a recruiter was relating to 16 year-olds, not being a professional a-hole.<br /><br />Maybe dude meant it when he said he'd stay at Cal for $300K, he tells Sark no, Sark knows Cal can't go higher *and* he knows Tosh is about to see Shaq, then Sark comes in with an offer for $500K (plus a boat) and tells him he has 12 hours to decide. Dude panics, blurts out his dilemma to Shaq, can't see the long term view of passing on half-a-million-dollars-a-year, and gets out of town because he can't look JT in the face.<br /><br />Still the same impact, still burns every bridge and torpedoes his credibility. More immature than pure jerk.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />He's a 30 year old man. That's old enough to know about honor and right and wrong. Even if it went down exactly as you describe it doesn't make it any less bad.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">jabes;682772 said:</div><hr>Do you really believe this was intentional? At moments like this people that are professionally green make huge judgement errors and get pushed around by more experienced people. Sark has been in the football-as-a-business land for some time, Tosh had been at Cal his entire "adulthood". Tosh's quality as a recruiter was relating to 16 year-olds, not being a professional a-hole.<br /><br />Maybe dude meant it when he said he'd stay at Cal for $300K, he tells Sark no, Sark knows Cal can't go higher *and* he knows Tosh is about to see Shaq, then Sark comes in with an offer for $500K (plus a boat) and tells him he has 12 hours to decide. Dude panics, blurts out his dilemma to Shaq, can't see the long term view of passing on half-a-million-dollars-a-year, and gets out of town because he can't look JT in the face.<br /><br />Still the same impact, still burns every bridge and torpedoes his credibility. More immature than pure jerk.<hr></blockquote><br />Yes, I believe it was intentional. Fine, let's suppose this version is how it went down (it isn't), he still has blatantly lied about being done with UW, as in Sark calls I don't answer done. You are letting him off WAY too easily. Immature AND pure jerk... not either or.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MoragaBear;682743 said:</div><hr>I'll just say this: It's worse than the original narrative. <br /><br />I get being underappreciated and all the ramifications that come with it but when you clear out in the middle of the night with no warning and are immediately in contact with recruits that morning when your employers don't even know yet and start not only recruiting for your new program the guys you recruited for Cal but tell them, "DON'T GO TO CAL?"<br /><br />That and other actions make this an irreparable rift, imo.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />" />

<blockquote><div class="name-said">jabes;682772 said:</div><hr>Do you really believe this was intentional? At moments like this people that are professionally green make huge judgement errors and get pushed around by more experienced people. Sark has been in the football-as-a-business land for some time, Tosh had been at Cal his entire "adulthood". Tosh's quality as a recruiter was relating to 16 year-olds, not being a professional a-hole.<br /><br />Maybe dude meant it when he said he'd stay at Cal for $300K, he tells Sark no, Sark knows Cal can't go higher *and* he knows Tosh is about to see Shaq, then Sark comes in with an offer for $500K (plus a boat) and tells him he has 12 hours to decide. Dude panics, blurts out his dilemma to Shaq, can't see the long term view of passing on half-a-million-dollars-a-year, and gets out of town because he can't look JT in the face.<br /><br />Still the same impact, still burns every bridge and torpedoes his credibility. More immature than pure jerk.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />No way this was a last minute thing. You are leaving out Lupaid's bromance with Wilcox. Wilcox has been grooming him for quite some time bail on Cal. No doubt he knew what Lupoi was unhappy about and which buttons to push.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MoragaBear;682743 said:</div><hr>I'll just say this: It's worse than the original narrative. <br /><br />I get being underappreciated and all the ramifications that come with it but when you clear out in the middle of the night with no warning and are immediately in contact with recruits that morning when your employers don't even know yet and start not only recruiting for your new program the guys you recruited for Cal but tell them, "DON'T GO TO CAL?"<br /><br />That and other actions make this an irreparable rift, imo.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Holy f--k -- it's shocking hearing this from you.

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<blockquote><div class="name-said">Bear Island;682775 said:</div><hr>Speaking of Silver, have you stopped twitter bombing him about what a scumbag Lupoi is yet?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Hi Yogi. How many screennames will you concoct in your pathetic existence to keep the Tedford hate brigade going?

After hearing so many different opinions/insider info on what happened, I'm guessing that Tosh did go out in a big and malicious way. The big reason why he would choose to do so is that he must have felt very disrespected in some fashion first, and wanted to really make it a big FU on the way out. <br /><br />My off-the-wall theory, then, would point back to the JT matching the offer event... <br /><br />JT thinks TL is using his stature as a top recruiter to get more, so he gets peeved at him for pushing his salary - "ok, here's the most I can do, and no more. If you want to be here, then you should be happy about this. No one makes this much at your level, and you should be fortunate to get this offer. We will not be in a bidding war for you." <br /><br />TL takes this as a slap in the face of "we'll up your salary to make you satisfied, but you should be grateful you are even in this position. I made you, I can take it away." He is fuming and feels unappreciated. He starts considering UW for real, where he can really be appreciated for his work and ability, and the $$$ to go with it. Sark seems to be a young, ambitious guy, and his friends are all there already as coaches. Once the huge offer rolls in, he doesn't need much convincing after that. <br /><br />He could have moved on with class, but he feels so betrayed by JT, he wants to hurt him bad. What better way to do so than by leaving in the middle of the night, clearing out the desk, and recruiting for a competitor right away without a moment's hesitation? All with a smile on his face the night before, while he was secretly waiting to attack. He must love mafia movies, because that is straight gansta. <br /><br />He wants to say sorry to his team he abandoned, but it's not about them or Cal...it's about sending a message to JT. He should learn to appreciate his people more. He got what he deserved.<br /><br />-----------------------------------------------<br /><br />Man, I should've been a writer for a drama show. Maybe we can make a new Friday Night Lights drama, except for college football? That would be a fun episode.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">alarsuel;682777 said:</div><hr>Yes, I believe it was intentional. Fine, let's suppose this version is how it went down (it isn't), he still has blatantly lied about being done with UW, as in Sark calls I don't answer done. You are letting him off WAY too easily. Immature AND pure jerk... not either or.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Even if it wasn't intentional, it's professionally incompetent.<br /><br />Thx for your response. I just re-read MBs response. Intentional, deliberate, unethical, stupid.<br /><br />I posted, somewhere, that I think this will harm us more than it helps UW. I still think that's true, at least in the short run. This storyline has to turn the Thompson family against Tosh and UW, and Syd still has good feelings about Cal. No Tosh and all the drama probably cost us McCarthy and AA and who knows who else just says f-ck Cal and f-ck Tosh I'm going with ND/SC/etc where coaches only leave when they get fired or they get a HC job somewhere else.

You know what would make new incredibly happy? There is a special needs fellow that comes to all the cal functions (games, practice, fan day etc) that always has a green bike, military style pants, coke bottle glasses, a huge cigar behind his ear....and a Lupoi jersey. I want him at the UW game to run out to the 50, light that thing on fire, and give tosh the double bird and walk right off

How does Lupaid (I like it) like East Jibrue? Because that's where his next job will be. This one won't last forever and the coaching fraternity has a long memory.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">okaydo;682786 said:</div><hr>Later Sunday, Tedford and assistant Tosh Lupoi stopped by the home of Grant star Shaq Thompson and visited Pleasant Grove ace lineman Arik Armstead. Tedford and Lupoi already had a verbal commitment from Thompson, and the coaches had hoped to inch closer to getting one from Armstead.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Tedford and Lupoi were together on Sunday? Visited Shaq together? How does that jive with the story that Lupoi discussed his UW offer w/Shaq Sunday, or Lupoi not talking to Tedford right before he bolted?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Rushinbear;682836 said:</div><hr>How does Lupaid (I like it) like East Jibrue? Because that's where his next job will be. This one won't last forever and the coaching fraternity has a long memory.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I'm going with Trash Lupus for now.

Will any player go on record about Tosh saying, "Don't go to Cal."<br /><br />Make Tosh/Sark answer to that!!!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MoragaBear;682743 said:</div><hr>I'll just say this: It's worse than the original narrative. <br /><br />I get being underappreciated and all the ramifications that come with it but when you clear out in the middle of the night with no warning and are immediately in contact with recruits that morning when your employers don't even know yet and start not only recruiting for your new program the guys you recruited for Cal but tell them, "DON'T GO TO CAL?"<br /><br />That and other actions make this an irreparable rift, imo.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I know this isn't what you usually do but its much appreciated. If all the independent corroboration, and his actions still cause people to look for an excuse for the way he acted as he did, so be it. He's done everything he could besides take out a full page ad to spit on Cal on his way out. I really hope this story gets out the right way. <br /><br />I'm sure there are some here who will say this is the Cal spin still. I know we don't want to believe this, but the actions come across more than anything. <br /><br />Maybe he was manipulated by men who have known the game longer. Sark probably picked up on that and played him. Who knows, but I'm glad the story is out for those of us who care.

Thanks for sharing this and I hope your sources don't mind; this is such an extreme case with so much hidden behind the scenes, but we all appreciate knowing more about his actual actions.<br /><br />I hope the recruits get the chance to see this. I'm afraid they're just seeing us RAAAAGE and assuming we're all negative fans who hate a guy just for leaving.<br /><br />Edit: The bitter and vengeful Old Blue in me wants to start a campaign to get this on Twitter for the recruits to see, but the rational side of me (oh that pesky integrity) doesn't want to turn Cal fans into the kind who would do negative recruiting.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">alarsuel;682777 said:</div><hr>Yes, I believe it was intentional. Fine, let's suppose this version is how it went down (it isn't), he still has blatantly lied about being done with UW, as in Sark calls I don't answer done. You are letting him off WAY too easily. Immature AND pure jerk... not either or.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Glad this is finally out alarusel....I was chomping at the bit to say more and glad MB decided to give more info on Tosh....the douchbag....actively telling kids NOT to come to Cal, even the ones UDub wasn't getting in unforgivable and a BS move