Try Hawaii. They blackout ALL games involving west coast teams. Why would I purchase a MLB.tv subscription? What is the purpose -- so they make me fly over and purchase tickets? Such a bizarre policy. Luckily there is Spectrum here in Hawaii so I can see all Dodgers games. But when I didn't have that, and similar to the Pac-12 network not being on all formats, I couldn't watch games even if tried to pay for it. Now some have done workarounds by changing or masking their IP address somehow. I looked into that for a while, but just decided to switch to Spectrum, which I hate, but have no choice. It's remarkable how less than 50% of the LA area can't see Dodgers games (unless they are on KTLA, Fox or ESPN games of the week). The enormous contract from Spectrum and the success at the field and gate have allowed the Dodgers to overcome any PR damage.sycasey said:Yup, that's the idea. Your local team will be blacked out except on the local affiliate.GMP said:Edit: I think what's going on is you can't watch your local teams games on MLBTV. You must tune to your local affiliate. So, for me, Giants games are on NBC Sports Bay Area. If MLBTV happens to broadcast a game on MLBTV, I can't use MLBTV. I have to go to NBC Sports Bay Area.okaydo said:
I have a question:
I live in Los Angeles.
I have YouTube TV.
MLB Network recently joined YouTube TV.
When I look up some Dodgers games, some are on MLB TV, but they are restricted to out of market.
What does that mean exactly?
When the Dodgers are on the road, I can't watch?
Or I can't watch the Dodgers at all on MLB Network because I live in L.A.?
MLB blackout rules are a little ridiculous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_blackout_policy
Some teams claim truly MASSIVE territorial broadcast rights, which results in a lot of games being blacked out for internet streaming. For example, if you live in Las Vegas? Congratulations! You are now blacked out of all games featuring the Giants, A's, Dodgers, Angels, Padres, and D-Backs. They all claim territory in southern Nevada.
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Ty Blach > Kershaw
sycasey said:
Ty Blach > Kershaw
Dodger Killer.
That was most satisfying.
Hope that was the apex of your season. 161 more to go!NYCGOBEARS said:
That was most satisfying.
How many wins do Giants fans project this season?
How many wins do Dodgers fans project this season?
How many wins do Dodgers fans project this season?
Blach always kills the Dodgers for some reason
oh BTW, if you're a T-Mobile subscriber, you can get a free one-year membership to MLB.tv if you download the T-Mobile Tuesdays app and redeem... I think you have until April 2 to redeem.
Pretty useless if you live in your team's home market but great if you don't (like me). Oh... and it's FREE!
Once you redeem in the app it will give you a code. Ignore the code and hit the redeem button again, and it will forward you to the MLB site where you can login with your phone number.
You can then access games through your MLB At Bat phone app. After you've established that connection you can also sign into your MLB account on a laptop, tablet, or smart TV device. Just don't log in on a non T-Mobile phone cuz that will likely auto-cancel your free sub.
Pretty useless if you live in your team's home market but great if you don't (like me). Oh... and it's FREE!
Once you redeem in the app it will give you a code. Ignore the code and hit the redeem button again, and it will forward you to the MLB site where you can login with your phone number.
You can then access games through your MLB At Bat phone app. After you've established that connection you can also sign into your MLB account on a laptop, tablet, or smart TV device. Just don't log in on a non T-Mobile phone cuz that will likely auto-cancel your free sub.
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yes! yes! yes!
If these trends continue . . .Another Bear said:
How many wins do Giants fans project this season?
How many wins do Dodgers fans project this season?
Even as a Doyer fan, I can't help but feel happy for Giant Nation. What an exciting time to be a Giant fan. Yesterday was probably one of the greatest days in recent years for the Giants. Not only did they beat the 5-time reigning NL West champs but beating Kershaw on top of it? First place. Above .500. All very exciting!
TheSouseFamily said:
Even as a Doyer fan, I can't help but feel happy for Giant Nation. What an exciting time to be a Giant fan. Yesterday was probably one of the greatest days in recent years for the Giants. Not only did they beat the 5-time reigning NL West champs but beating Kershaw on top of it? First place. Above .500. All very exciting!
If you didn't see winning baseball as a kid...you were robbed of one of the eternal joys of youth and summer; winning baseball, hometown heros and Americana. I wasn't robbed.
FrankBear21 said:TheSouseFamily said:
Even as a Doyer fan, I can't help but feel happy for Giant Nation. What an exciting time to be a Giant fan. Yesterday was probably one of the greatest days in recent years for the Giants. Not only did they beat the 5-time reigning NL West champs but beating Kershaw on top of it? First place. Above .500. All very exciting!
I can't tell. Is that Kevin O'Neill's hand?
You must be so excited about the National League Champions ring ceremony tomorrow night. Boy!TheSouseFamily said:
Even as a Doyer fan, I can't help but feel happy for Giant Nation. What an exciting time to be a Giant fan. Yesterday was probably one of the greatest days in recent years for the Giants. Not only did they beat the 5-time reigning NL West champs but beating Kershaw on top of it? First place. Above .500. All very exciting!
(yes, the entire sports world is laughing at you)
GMP said:You must be so excited about the National League Champions ring ceremony tomorrow night. Boy!TheSouseFamily said:
Even as a Doyer fan, I can't help but feel happy for Giant Nation. What an exciting time to be a Giant fan. Yesterday was probably one of the greatest days in recent years for the Giants. Not only did they beat the 5-time reigning NL West champs but beating Kershaw on top of it? First place. Above .500. All very exciting!
(yes, the entire sports world is laughing at you)
That's a great point, GMP. I will surely be joining you and the rest of the sports world in laughing my arse off at Loyola (or Michigan...but probably both) for its comically miserable failure of a season when they lose to Nova in the natty game. Even you, Sister Jean! Such a loser! I just hope between tears of mocking laughter, I'll find sufficient time to pay respect to those amazing UConn teams of 2011 and 2014. Man, were they good. Mad respect to UConn.
Keep lying to yourself. Yes, making the World Series is great. Yes, having an NL pennant ring ceremony is stupid. Both things can be true.TheSouseFamily said:GMP said:You must be so excited about the National League Champions ring ceremony tomorrow night. Boy!TheSouseFamily said:
Even as a Doyer fan, I can't help but feel happy for Giant Nation. What an exciting time to be a Giant fan. Yesterday was probably one of the greatest days in recent years for the Giants. Not only did they beat the 5-time reigning NL West champs but beating Kershaw on top of it? First place. Above .500. All very exciting!
(yes, the entire sports world is laughing at you)
That's a great point, GMP. I will surely be joining you and the rest of the sports world in laughing my arse off at Loyola (or Michigan...but probably both) for its comically miserable failure of a season when they lose to Nova in the natty game. Even you, Sister Jean! Such a loser! I just hope between tears of mocking laughter, I'll find sufficient time to pay respect to those amazing UConn teams of 2011 and 2014. Man, were they good. Mad respect to UConn.
The Giants have the second highest payroll in baseball at $208M.
The Dodgers have the third highest payroll in baseball at $186M.
Given the fact that either the Giants or the Dodgers has, on average, spent 2x more on its players than has its opponent on any given day and 3x-4x more in the case of the smallest market teams, surely any win by your teams must feel very hollow in your heart.
You all are the USC of baseball, and it's nothing to be proud of.
The Dodgers have the third highest payroll in baseball at $186M.
Given the fact that either the Giants or the Dodgers has, on average, spent 2x more on its players than has its opponent on any given day and 3x-4x more in the case of the smallest market teams, surely any win by your teams must feel very hollow in your heart.
You all are the USC of baseball, and it's nothing to be proud of.
70 years ago, Cal was the USC of football - and it's something we'd all like to return to.Chapman_is_Gone said:
The Giants have the second highest payroll in baseball at $208M.
The Dodgers have the third highest payroll in baseball at $186M.
Given the fact that either the Giants or the Dodgers has, on average, spent 2x more on its players than has its opponent on any given day and 3x-4x more in the case of the smallest market teams, surely any win by your teams must feel very hollow in your heart.
You all are the USC of baseball, and it's nothing to be proud of.
More to the point - a team like the early to mid '00s Yankees might feel hollow. When all you do is go out and buy the best players that other teams drafted and developed, there's a mercenary aspect that probably does feel a little hollow. But for the most part the Giants and Dodgers recent successes have been on the backs of players that each team drafted and developed. Those players came up with the team, and as fans we'd read snippets of, "Boy, that Posey sure is good," or "Just wait till Seager is ready." Then the players arrive, and they're good, and you win. And if later your team pays them to keep them, as with guys like Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Posey, Belt, Crawford and many other homegrown guys that came up with the Giants and your payroll goes up, that's just the cost of doing business. Yes, signing free agents is part of the game, but it's not sustainable - you're usually paying for past performance and overpaying for future performance. The Giants core has gotten older, and thus worse and expensive, but no - the wins don't feel hollow.
Chapman_is_Gone said:
The Giants have the second highest payroll in baseball at $208M.
The Dodgers have the third highest payroll in baseball at $186M.
Given the fact that either the Giants or the Dodgers has, on average, spent 2x more on its players than has its opponent on any given day and 3x-4x more in the case of the smallest market teams, surely any win by your teams must feel very hollow in your heart.
You all are the USC of baseball, and it's nothing to be proud of.
I know this will sound quaint but college athletics should be about (or at least a little about) academics.
I have a problem with Oregon because, as a university, they spend (and care) disproportionately more on athletics than academics. So I would agree with you, that's disdainful.
But pro sports is different (notice the word pro). It's all about winning and making money. The more you win the more money you make. so I guess you can make the dodgers and giants out to be villains, but would you rather your team spend money or refuse to spend money (like the A's). I just don't get where you're coming from here. I should be ashamed for being a fan of a team that wants to win?
i think it's funny that the headlines from yesterday's game are all about Kershaw's losing. for sure he didn't look sharp, but he pitched out of multiple (self inflicted) jams and only gave up one run. He battled.
the top 5 guys in the lineup went 0-fer. Kershaw even had two hits. Not gonna win if you never score a run.
the top 5 guys in the lineup went 0-fer. Kershaw even had two hits. Not gonna win if you never score a run.
Long way to go Souse...TheSouseFamily said:
Even as a Doyer fan, I can't help but feel happy for Giant Nation. What an exciting time to be a Giant fan. Yesterday was probably one of the greatest days in recent years for the Giants. Not only did they beat the 5-time reigning NL West champs but beating Kershaw on top of it? First place. Above .500. All very exciting!
As a Giant fan, I like what I am seeing thus far but I definitely would not go overboard at this point. If i were a Dodger fan, I would be a bit concerned about Kershaw's drop in velocity. He has been so good for so long that I think we just assume he will continue to play at the same level. However, as we all know, that isn't the way it works.
Lastly, "5-time reigning NL West champs", are you serious? I would think that is an embarrassment to LA partisans given zero WS titles during that stretch. Regardless, I hope the season will yield interesting baseball throughout the summer with a close finish in September....
Prove this statement wrong: The Los Angeles Dodgers are on track to lose every game this season.
71Bear said:Long way to go Souse...TheSouseFamily said:
Even as a Doyer fan, I can't help but feel happy for Giant Nation. What an exciting time to be a Giant fan. Yesterday was probably one of the greatest days in recent years for the Giants. Not only did they beat the 5-time reigning NL West champs but beating Kershaw on top of it? First place. Above .500. All very exciting!
As a Giant fan, I like what I am seeing thus far but I definitely would not go overboard at this point. If i were a Dodger fan, I would be a bit concerned about Kershaw's drop in velocity. He has been so good for so long that I think we just assume he will continue to play at the same level. However, as we all know, that isn't the way it works.
Lastly, "5-time reigning NL West champs", are you serious? I would think that is an embarrassment to LA partisans given zero WS titles during that stretch. Regardless, I hope the season will yield interesting baseball throughout the summer with a close finish in September....
Dodgers = Marv Levy's Buffalo Bills.
Nothing to hang their heads about.
Giants: Just find some hitting in 2018.
"Those who say don't know, and those who know don't say." - LT
Impressive TV showing for the opener...
"The ESPN telecast of Thursday's Dodgers-Giants opener was watched by 1,996,000 viewers per Nielsen, making it the largest audience for an ESPN weekday telecast in six years. The network says it has televised more than 300 weekday games since the last such game with a larger TV audience, on opening day in 2012."
"The ESPN telecast of Thursday's Dodgers-Giants opener was watched by 1,996,000 viewers per Nielsen, making it the largest audience for an ESPN weekday telecast in six years. The network says it has televised more than 300 weekday games since the last such game with a larger TV audience, on opening day in 2012."
MinotStateBeav said:
Prove this statement wrong: The Los Angeles Dodgers are on track to lose every game this season.
Also on pace to score zero runs.
2 wins...ah the eternal optimism of Spring. Sure the Giantes have improved...but they LOST 98 games last year. They got the better bats but one guy goes out...that's it.
So, 160 games to go. How many do the Gaints win
So, 160 games to go. How many do the Gaints win
1-0 again.oskirules said:
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yes! yes! yes!
Another Bear said:
2 wins...ah the eternal optimism of Spring. Sure the Giantes have improved...but they LOST 98 games last year. They got the better bats but one guy goes out...that's it.
So, 160 games to go. How many do the Gaints win
On pace for 162-0. That's just statistical analysis.
Ever read the infamous..."How to Lie with Statistics"?sycasey said:Another Bear said:
2 wins...ah the eternal optimism of Spring. Sure the Giantes have improved...but they LOST 98 games last year. They got the better bats but one guy goes out...that's it.
So, 160 games to go. How many do the Gaints win
On pace for 162-0. That's just statistical analysis.
Your statement, "the more you win the more money you make," is extremely misleading. The large differentials in revenue between the rich clubs and the poor clubs have very little to do with winning. The revenue differentials are based on the size of the television market the team is in, among other less important factors. This was very clearly seen recently as the Chargers moved from a city where they had a loyal fan base to a city that didn't even want them, yet their estimated franchise value increased significantly due to the Los Angeles market.ducky23 said:Chapman_is_Gone said:
The Giants have the second highest payroll in baseball at $208M.
The Dodgers have the third highest payroll in baseball at $186M.
Given the fact that either the Giants or the Dodgers has, on average, spent 2x more on its players than has its opponent on any given day and 3x-4x more in the case of the smallest market teams, surely any win by your teams must feel very hollow in your heart.
You all are the USC of baseball, and it's nothing to be proud of.
I know this will sound quaint but college athletics should be about (or at least a little about) academics.
I have a problem with Oregon because, as a university, they spend (and care) disproportionately more on athletics than academics. So I would agree with you, that's disdainful.
But pro sports is different (notice the word pro). It's all about winning and making money. The more you win the more money you make. so I guess you can make the dodgers and giants out to be villains, but would you rather your team spend money or refuse to spend money (like the A's). I just don't get where you're coming from here. I should be ashamed for being a fan of a team that wants to win?
You also imply that many teams don't "want to win." BS. While there may be a few exceptions, I am confident that almost all teams "want to win." Surely you're not suggesting that the Dodgers, who have recently enjoyed more success that they had in the recent past, have only recently regained a desire to win?
The playing field is not at all level financially, and that is something that MLB and fans of the richest teams should feel uncomfortable about.
I agree that success in baseball requires a certain percentage of excellent home-grown players. But that story alone is far too simplistic.GMP said:70 years ago, Cal was the USC of football - and it's something we'd all like to return to.Chapman_is_Gone said:
The Giants have the second highest payroll in baseball at $208M.
The Dodgers have the third highest payroll in baseball at $186M.
Given the fact that either the Giants or the Dodgers has, on average, spent 2x more on its players than has its opponent on any given day and 3x-4x more in the case of the smallest market teams, surely any win by your teams must feel very hollow in your heart.
You all are the USC of baseball, and it's nothing to be proud of.
More to the point - a team like the early to mid '00s Yankees might feel hollow. When all you do is go out and buy the best players that other teams drafted and developed, there's a mercenary aspect that probably does feel a little hollow. But for the most part the Giants and Dodgers recent successes have been on the backs of players that each team drafted and developed. Those players came up with the team, and as fans we'd read snippets of, "Boy, that Posey sure is good," or "Just wait till Seager is ready." Then the players arrive, and they're good, and you win. And if later your team pays them to keep them, as with guys like Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Posey, Belt, Crawford and many other homegrown guys that came up with the Giants and your payroll goes up, that's just the cost of doing business. Yes, signing free agents is part of the game, but it's not sustainable - you're usually paying for past performance and overpaying for future performance. The Giants core has gotten older, and thus worse and expensive, but no - the wins don't feel hollow.
A team has to be rich to hold onto those players. You imply that any team could have held onto the Giants' core and ridden it to above $200M--that is blatantly untrue--and also added the free agents the Giants added. I'm sure the Padres would have LOVED to have kept Adrian Gonzalez in 2010, but they couldn't afford to spend on just one roster spot what the market offered for Gonzalez, so Gonzalez played out the past 7 years for the Red Sox and Dodgers -- the two richest teams. I could give you 100 of these examples. Kansas City. Tampa Bay. Milwaukee.
And it sure is easier to have quality "home-grown" players when a rich team can throw around millions of dollars in the international free agent market to 16 and 17-year olds.
On top of that, having quality "home-grown" players usually isn't enough. Not only can the richest teams throw money at the best proven free agents, they can afford to make mistakes on those decisions and have that money sit on the bench if necessary. The small market teams do not have that luxury--they have to eat their mistakes out on the field.
Finally, just like we see with Cal not being able to afford the best coaching salaries (down to the level of the assistants), the exact same thing plays out in baseball. The rich teams are able to pay far more for the best front offices, the best minor league staffs and facilities, and the best scouts.
If what I'm saying weren't true, then small market teams wouldn't currently be subscribing to the Houston Astros' "firesale" approach where the roster is completely burned down in order to target a narrow "window of opportunity" to win as the only way to possibly win a title. That's not a healthy environment when teams are choosing to go that route.
Bottom line, each team starts each year with a dramatically different chance to succeed. The game as it is currently played is not at all fair. But I know human nature far too well to expect anyone to feel hollow about wins.
Not at all...Chapman_is_Gone said:Your statement, "the more you win the more money you make," is extremely misleading. The large differentials in revenue between the rich clubs and the poor clubs have very little to do with winning. The revenue differentials are based on the size of the television market the team is in, among other less important factors. This was very clearly seen recently as the Chargers moved from a city where they had a loyal fan base to a city that didn't even want them, yet their estimated franchise value increased significantly due to the Los Angeles market.ducky23 said:Chapman_is_Gone said:
The Giants have the second highest payroll in baseball at $208M.
The Dodgers have the third highest payroll in baseball at $186M.
Given the fact that either the Giants or the Dodgers has, on average, spent 2x more on its players than has its opponent on any given day and 3x-4x more in the case of the smallest market teams, surely any win by your teams must feel very hollow in your heart.
You all are the USC of baseball, and it's nothing to be proud of.
I know this will sound quaint but college athletics should be about (or at least a little about) academics.
I have a problem with Oregon because, as a university, they spend (and care) disproportionately more on athletics than academics. So I would agree with you, that's disdainful.
But pro sports is different (notice the word pro). It's all about winning and making money. The more you win the more money you make. so I guess you can make the dodgers and giants out to be villains, but would you rather your team spend money or refuse to spend money (like the A's). I just don't get where you're coming from here. I should be ashamed for being a fan of a team that wants to win?
You also imply that many teams don't "want to win." BS. While there may be a few exceptions, I am confident that almost all teams "want to win." Surely you're not suggesting that the Dodgers, who have recently enjoyed more success that they had in the recent past, have only recently regained a desire to win?
The playing field is not at all level financially, and that is something that MLB and fans of the richest teams should feel uncomfortable about.
With the Competitive Tax in play, only one team is going to exceed the ceiling this year - the Red Sox. The Yankees, Dodgers, Giants, the Cubs and a number of other clubs are restricting their spending to stay below this quasi-salary cap. Every franchise makes decisions based on what they think is best for them. Some choose to reduce spending and not be as competitive as their peers in the hopes of pulling off an "Astros" by drafting high for several years thus producing high-quality, controllable talent. Others go for it. And still others (SF, for example) know their fan base will not support the idea of tanking so they spend up to the tax ceiling and hope for the best. And, of course, there are teams that live on revenue sharing (which is soon to disappear) and have no interest in competing (i.e., Oakland). I feel no discomfort at all. Everyone makes their choices and lives with them.
I gave more than five concrete reasons why big market teams have a big advantage over small market teams and the best you can do is "not at all"? The Competitive Tax may assuage your guilt, but the Competitive Tax perhaps eliminates 10% of the gap between the haves and the have nots.71Bear said:Not at all...Chapman_is_Gone said:Your statement, "the more you win the more money you make," is extremely misleading. The large differentials in revenue between the rich clubs and the poor clubs have very little to do with winning. The revenue differentials are based on the size of the television market the team is in, among other less important factors. This was very clearly seen recently as the Chargers moved from a city where they had a loyal fan base to a city that didn't even want them, yet their estimated franchise value increased significantly due to the Los Angeles market.ducky23 said:Chapman_is_Gone said:
The Giants have the second highest payroll in baseball at $208M.
The Dodgers have the third highest payroll in baseball at $186M.
Given the fact that either the Giants or the Dodgers has, on average, spent 2x more on its players than has its opponent on any given day and 3x-4x more in the case of the smallest market teams, surely any win by your teams must feel very hollow in your heart.
You all are the USC of baseball, and it's nothing to be proud of.
I know this will sound quaint but college athletics should be about (or at least a little about) academics.
I have a problem with Oregon because, as a university, they spend (and care) disproportionately more on athletics than academics. So I would agree with you, that's disdainful.
But pro sports is different (notice the word pro). It's all about winning and making money. The more you win the more money you make. so I guess you can make the dodgers and giants out to be villains, but would you rather your team spend money or refuse to spend money (like the A's). I just don't get where you're coming from here. I should be ashamed for being a fan of a team that wants to win?
You also imply that many teams don't "want to win." BS. While there may be a few exceptions, I am confident that almost all teams "want to win." Surely you're not suggesting that the Dodgers, who have recently enjoyed more success that they had in the recent past, have only recently regained a desire to win?
The playing field is not at all level financially, and that is something that MLB and fans of the richest teams should feel uncomfortable about.
With the Competitive Tax in play, only one team is going to exceed the ceiling this year - the Red Sox. The Yankees, Dodgers, Giants, the Cubs and a number of other clubs are restricting their spending to stay below this quasi-salary cap. Every franchise makes decisions based on what they think is best for them. Some choose to reduce spending and not be as competitive as their peers in the hopes of pulling off an "Astros" by drafting high for several years thus producing high-quality, controllable talent. Others go for it. And still others (SF, for example) know their fan base will not support the idea of tanking so they spend up to the tax ceiling and hope for the best. And, of course, there are teams that live on revenue sharing (which is soon to disappear) and have no interest in competing (i.e., Oakland). I feel no discomfort at all. Everyone makes their choices and lives with them.
But the fact that you suggest that small market teams choose to spend less -- rather than are forced to spend less due to limited resources -- tells me you're coming from a disingenuous place, so I'm done. And the idea that there is something special about the Giants' fan base that demands excellence is laughable...anyone who remembers the Candlestick days knows there is absolutely nothing special about Giants fans.
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