Cory Seager will undergo Tommy John surgery and be out for the year! I thought he only had hip problems? Looked fine over the weekend.

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Cory Seager will undergo Tommy John surgery and be out for the year! I thought he only had hip problems? Looked fine over the weekend.

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He first injured the elbow (and missed games) almost 8 months ago. This was a long time coming. Many thought he should have had the surgery a long time ago, knowing he hasn't been the same player since then. There will be a lot of questioning of the FO for the timing but from what I hear, it's the player's call. Either way, no bueno.

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Cory Seager will undergo Tommy John surgery and be out for the year! I thought he only had hip problems? Looked fine over the weekend.

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Dang. As Mr. Seager is a longtime prospect and player for my fantasy keeper league team, the Ron Popeils, and because I appreciate beating teams at full strength, this is a bummer.

A little sprinkling of even year magic as the Giants get 3 in the 9th for the win and get over .500 for the month of April. Woo.

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A little sprinkling of even year magic as the Giants get 3 in the 9th for the win and get over .500 for the month of April. Woo.

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To be precise, 13-13 in April and 2-1 in March. Regardless, I'll take it give their top three starters all spent time on the DL.

Dodgers have no bullpen. Big mistake. to let Morrow go. No Seager no Puig no Turner no runs. They may finish over Padres

Muni responds to San Franciscans' 'outrage' over new 'Dodger blue' logo

Rhu out until after all star game with serious groin injury. Bad news keeps piling up for Dodgers.

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Rhu out until after all star game with serious groin injury. Bad news keeps piling up for Dodgers.

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Not any better for the Giants with Cueto on the DL with mystery elbow inflammation and Panik out indefinitely.

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Rhu out until after all star game with serious groin injury. Bad news keeps piling up for Dodgers.

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Not any better for the Giants with Cueto on the DL with mystery elbow inflammation and Panik out indefinitely.

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Joe P. - 6 weeks....

Dodger rookie plus 3 relievers toss no hitter in Mexico.

I don't know how the Giants are above .500 at this point, given all of their roster issues. Smoke and mirrors or something.

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Dodger rookie plus 3 relievers toss no hitter in Mexico.

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23rd in franchise history. 5 better than Bo Sox and Chi Sox.

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I don't know how the Giants are above .500 at this point, given all of their roster issues. Smoke and mirrors or something.

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They have a roster comprised of seasoned veterans who can handle adversity.

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I don't know how the Giants are above .500 at this point, given all of their roster issues. Smoke and mirrors or something.

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They have a roster comprised of seasoned veterans who can handle adversity.

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Not so much last year though.

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I don't know how the Giants are above .500 at this point, given all of their roster issues. Smoke and mirrors or something.

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They have a roster comprised of seasoned veterans who can handle adversity.

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Not so much last year though.

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Last year they had some issues in the clubhouse. They riddled themselves of the malcontents and signed a couple of premier "character" guys in Longoria and McCutchen. Better chemistry = better play.

The kid Walker Buehler looks pretty darn good.

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The kid Walker Buehler looks pretty darn good.

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Yep. He had a nice start v. SF last weekend. He has the look of a big-time starter.

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I don't know how the Giants are above .500 at this point, given all of their roster issues. Smoke and mirrors or something.

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They have a roster comprised of seasoned veterans who can handle adversity.

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Not so much last year though.

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Last year they had some issues in the clubhouse. They riddled themselves of the malcontents and signed a couple of premier "character" guys in Longoria and McCutchen. Better chemistry = better play.

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Who are all these malconents you refer to? Just off the top of my head they really only got rid of Moore, Nunez and span. Of those, id imagine that only span would possibly be a problem. Nunez loved it with the giants

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I don't know how the Giants are above .500 at this point, given all of their roster issues. Smoke and mirrors or something.

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They have a roster comprised of seasoned veterans who can handle adversity.

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Not so much last year though.

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Last year they had some issues in the clubhouse. They riddled themselves of the malcontents and signed a couple of premier "character" guys in Longoria and McCutchen. Better chemistry = better play.

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Who are all these malconents you refer to? Just off the top of my head they really only got rid of Moore, Nunez and span. Of those, id imagine that only span would possibly be a problem. Nunez loved it with the giants

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I heard Kontos was the one who complained to the press about Melancon's new bullpen stretching routine. Dumping him for nothing did seem odd at the time.

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sycasey said:

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I don't know how the Giants are above .500 at this point, given all of their roster issues. Smoke and mirrors or something.

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They have a roster comprised of seasoned veterans who can handle adversity.

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Not so much last year though.

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Last year they had some issues in the clubhouse. They riddled themselves of the malcontents and signed a couple of premier "character" guys in Longoria and McCutchen. Better chemistry = better play.

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Who are all these malconents you refer to? Just off the top of my head they really only got rid of Moore, Nunez and span. Of those, id imagine that only span would possibly be a problem. Nunez loved it with the giants

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Add Kontos... He was a big problem.

Nunez was not a malcontent.

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I don't know how the Giants are above .500 at this point, given all of their roster issues. Smoke and mirrors or something.

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They have a roster comprised of seasoned veterans who can handle adversity.

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Not so much last year though.

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Last year they had some issues in the clubhouse. They riddled themselves of the malcontents and signed a couple of premier "character" guys in Longoria and McCutchen. Better chemistry = better play.

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Who are all these malconents you refer to? Just off the top of my head they really only got rid of Moore, Nunez and span. Of those, id imagine that only span would possibly be a problem. Nunez loved it with the giants

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Add Kontos... He was a big problem.

Nunez was not a malcontent.

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So span and Kontos? That's your list? Getting rid of those two guys were the key to changing the clubhouse chemistry?

I think every clubhouse has a few bad apples. Id suggest that the problem last year was just complacency. It's hard to be as hungry after 3 titles. But the addition of Longoria and cutch has breathed new life into the clubhouse. I doubt anyone's really noticed the loss of span or kontos

The hits keep coming. Kershaw goes on DL

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sycasey said:

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I don't know how the Giants are above .500 at this point, given all of their roster issues. Smoke and mirrors or something.

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They have a roster comprised of seasoned veterans who can handle adversity.

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Not so much last year though.

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Last year they had some issues in the clubhouse. They riddled themselves of the malcontents and signed a couple of premier "character" guys in Longoria and McCutchen. Better chemistry = better play.

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Who are all these malconents you refer to? Just off the top of my head they really only got rid of Moore, Nunez and span. Of those, id imagine that only span would possibly be a problem. Nunez loved it with the giants

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Add Kontos... He was a big problem.

Nunez was not a malcontent.

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So span and Kontos? That's your list? Getting rid of those two guys were the key to changing the clubhouse chemistry?

I think every clubhouse has a few bad apples. Id suggest that the problem last year was just complacency. It's hard to be as hungry after 3 titles. But the addition of Longoria and cutch has breathed new life into the clubhouse. I doubt anyone's really noticed the loss of span or kontos

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Worth noting that Longoria and McCutchen are also much better players than the guys they replaced.

But it's really the way the pitching staff has held up so far that's been the surprise. I assumed they'd be awful without Bumgarner (plus Melancon, Cueto, and Samardzija missing time), but instead they've been decent.

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I don't know how the Giants are above .500 at this point, given all of their roster issues. Smoke and mirrors or something.

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They have a roster comprised of seasoned veterans who can handle adversity.

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Not so much last year though.

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Last year they had some issues in the clubhouse. They riddled themselves of the malcontents and signed a couple of premier "character" guys in Longoria and McCutchen. Better chemistry = better play.

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Who are all these malconents you refer to? Just off the top of my head they really only got rid of Moore, Nunez and span. Of those, id imagine that only span would possibly be a problem. Nunez loved it with the giants

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Add Kontos... He was a big problem.

Nunez was not a malcontent.

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So span and Kontos? That's your list? Getting rid of those two guys were the key to changing the clubhouse chemistry?

I think every clubhouse has a few bad apples. Id suggest that the problem last year was just complacency. It's hard to be as hungry after 3 titles. But the addition of Longoria and cutch has breathed new life into the clubhouse. I doubt anyone's really noticed the loss of span or kontos

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And Moore... it doesn't take much to upset the balance.

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The hits keep coming. Kershaw goes on DL

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There is no whining or crying in baseball.

Kershaw has pitched a lot of innings over the last several years. As the saying goes - Father Time is undefeated.

It will be interesting to see if he opts out after this season or pulls a "Cueto" and continues to play on his current contract.

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The hits keep coming. Kershaw goes on DL

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There is no whining or crying in baseball.

Kershaw has pitched a lot of innings over the last several years. As the saying goes - Father Time is undefeated.

It will be interesting to see if he opts out after this season or pulls a "Cueto" and continues to play on his current contract.

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I'm still convinced he will opt out so he can get at least a 5 year deal. I think he'll get more money overall by doing it now rather than waiting 2 more years to hit free agency when he'll be 32. This is assuming he still pitches well the rest of the year. Despite his losing record, his stats are still pretty good (unlike Cueto's last season).

Did you know: the Dodgers have lost 6 straight (to Cincinnati and Miami, two teams a combined 24 games under .500) and 9 of their last 10, and are on pace for 100 losses?

The more you know.

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Did you know: the Dodgers have lost 6 straight (to Cincinnati and Miami, two teams a combined 24 games under .500) and 9 of their last 10, and are on pace for 100 losses?

The more you know.

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They decided to risk going into the season with a thin bullpen. A controversial but defendable decision given the alternative of going over the CBT line. If they can sign Harper, it was worth it. If not, a bad move.

Note: Since injuries are part of sports, I do not subscribe to the - "well, we lost a lot of players to injuries" response as to why they are struggling. A lot of teams have lost their premier players to injury. Suck it up and find other guys who can play effectively......

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Note: Since injuries are part of sports, I do not subscribe to the - "well, we lost a lot of players to injuries" response as to why they are struggling. A lot of teams have lost their premier players to injury. Suck it up and find other guys who can play effectively......

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The Dodgers are also supposed to be one of the teams most uniquely positioned to do that, too.

If Roberts continues to pitch Baez the Dodgers will continue to lose

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If Roberts continues to pitch Baez the Dodgers will continue to lose

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Confirmation bias.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/pitching/_/name/lad/order/true

Of all Dodger pitchers with at least ten innings pitched this year, Baez is smack in the middle by ERA - 8th of 15 with a 4.12. Pitchers worse than him: Maeda, Chargois, Alexander, Cingrani, Hill, Hudson, Font. His HR/9 is only 0.9, 4th best on the team, and far better than guys like Kershaw (1.4), Jansen (1.6) and Hill (2.6).

It's obviously a bit of a train wreck at the moment. Certainly no denying that. But it goes well beyond the bullpen. The club has taken a step back in nearly all aspects of the game: bullpen, starting pitching, defense, most hitting categories and even running. I think it gets better (the pythag W/L is around .500) but likely not enough to make the post season. I would agree that Roberts didn't have many options to avoid using Baez. But speaking of confirmation bias, Kershaw was pretty much only giving up runs via the HR. Not exactly a compelling stat. I think I'd still take Kershaw on the mound over Baez.

If any Giants fans have any coping mechanisms they're willing to share for being a fan of a sub-.400 team, I'm all ears.

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It's obviously a bit of a train wreck at the moment. Certainly no denying that. But it goes well beyond the bullpen. The club has taken a step back in nearly all aspects of the game: bullpen, starting pitching, defense, most hitting categories and even running. I think it gets better (the pythag W/L is around .500) but likely not enough to make the post season. I would agree that Roberts didn't have many options to avoid using Baez. But speaking of confirmation bias, Kershaw was pretty much only giving up runs via the HR. Not exactly a compelling stat. I think I'd still take Kershaw on the mound over Baez.

If any Giants fans have any coping mechanisms they're willing to share for being a fan of a sub-.400 team, I'm all ears.

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Easy...

Focus on the positives.

1) A high draft choice - a critical component to controlling payroll while maintaining a quality roster.

2) Like SF, the Dodgers are under the CBT cap. Look for LA to make a run at the high end free agents (incl. Kershaw if he opts out) in the winter. The CBA is structured to allow the Dodgers to go crazy in the off season without regard for a serious tax penalty.

Quite frankly, I see this as a blip. LA has money and smart leadership.

Lastly, finishing out of the money one year followed by a World Series title is not a bad way to go. Think 2010, 2012, 2014.