This is what I'll do on To$h the next time I see him.

OskiMD;842035505 said:

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Wow, truly hell hath no fury like a mediocre college football team fanbase scorned.

Get over it guys.

Tosh, as a former Cal player, did more for the Cal football program than any of you who are not former players have done or will ever do. And that includes all the mega-rich, personal injury lawyer boosters out there. He made some poor choices, but so did Tedford.

Now, Tedford is thankfully out of Berkeley and so let's welcome back Tosh to his alma mater and let this highly valuable and talented young man help his program get back on track and finally lead us to the Rose Bowl with the new coaching staff.

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He can redshirt for a year (without pay) and with shaq thompson LOL

Seriously? I remember logging on that day, all giddy about the recruiting class and then seeing that thread.. That was heartbreak. The hell with Tosh!

HaloBear;842035459 said:

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That's wonderful.

My source (me) says he can go f*ck himself.

Go Bears! Bring on the #BearRaid!

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Haaha...

I apologize to everyone for starting this post, my intention wasn't to create a rumor to elicit a reaction. This wasn't about Tosh, I just wanted to poke a little fun at those posters who had so called "reliable" sources during the coach search process. But wow, once a rumor starts to spread, it takes on a life of its own, people don't even question the source.

The clean the bathrooms at Kips?

You're a joke looking for a little attention.



:gobears:

EriGoldenBear;842035473 said:

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He can go f*ck himself

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I agree. I don't see how he could ever come back. Ever. I mean, he did some really scandalous things to this program. It is not as if he just left. He left while doing his damdest to f*ck us over. Discusting.

Still trying to figure out the whole story though. Something about the players warmly embracing him after the UW game makes me wonder. Idk...

oskirules;842036361 said:

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I apologize to everyone for starting this post, my intention wasn't to create a rumor to elicit a reaction. This wasn't about Tosh, I just wanted to poke a little fun at those posters who had so called "reliable" sources during the coach search process. But wow, once a rumor starts to spread, it takes on a life of its own, people don't even question the source.

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I really thought the Petersen comment made it quite clear this was a joke. An "according to my sources" statement so absurd, with the tongue planted so firmly in cheek, yet lo and behold, 8 pages of people discussing the pros and cons of this. Pretty amazing! I guess one can go ahead and post the most implausible thing "according to my sources" and off to the races we go!

I'd welcome Tosh back if we could find him a windowless office with a sufficient carbon monoxide supply.

PLEASE!!!!

The chances of To$h coming back to Cal is somewhere between "When a pig flies" and "When hell freezes over."

He left on such a bad note, with all of the BS, Sandy wouldn't let him wash jockstraps.

This thread sucks as much as Tosh.

stanfurdbites;842035487 said:

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Im probably in the minoity, but I would welcome tosh back. Everybody makes decisions in life that they regret. If he comes back humbly and eager to prove himself again, we could use a recruiting genius like him. Besides we all saw how things in Telford land wasn't so peachy ... Maybe he just had to get away.

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This is sort of what I'm thinking as well. In the end, while gut wrenching and treacherous at the time, Tosh may have actually crystalized Tedford's growing ineptitude, and his leaving was one of the the very clear messages that Tedford had lost control.

The way he did it though was so ugly and so close to signing day. That's the part that many can't and maybe shouldn't forgive. But without knowing any of the specifics, I can't help but feel that Tedford had lost it, Tosh knew it, and he got out.

SkyBear;842035735 said:

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My position is between OskiMD's and everyone else's. Agreeing not to continue bidding war but then doing it, plus recruiting Shaq while on a visit paid by Cal are definitely cross the line.

But at the same time, I'm convinced it was all premeditated. Is it not possible that Tosh fully intended on not continuing the bidding and staying at Cal, but then Sark continued to pound into his head how the Cal community will never have the support for football that UW community does (I don't think there is a UW version of Barsky or tree-sitters)? And the only example we have of Tosh recruiting on Cal's dime is Shaq making a comment that the on his visit the night before Tosh left, Tosh was saying he didn't know if he was going to take the UW job because of great the offer was, and he didn't know what to do. Sounds like a one-time slip up in judgment on what thoughts to share and what thoughts not to share. From all we know about Tosh, it seems that Tosh's weapon in recruiting is trust. He is young so the recruits relate to him, making him easier to trust. He tells it like it is. Thus, when he was considering the UW job, he probably instinctively told Shaq the truth because that's how his mind operates when recruiting--be honest with the recruits.

It's entirely possible that all Tosh's wrongdoings (and yes they ARE wrong) were not "malicious" but simply bad judgment. Could just be that he agreed to not continue a bidding war before he was 100% positive that he don't want that other job. Could be that he wasn't intending on recruiting Shaq to UW when he stepped foot into Shaq's house, but since he was in an environment of trust and confidence (the Thompson family already being Cal fans and all) he just let it all out without thinking about it.

Again, it's still wrong and Tosh crossed the line, but that doesn't prove premeditation and malice.

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Don't forget that Tosh told Armstead (who had his car packed and about to leave for CAL, "If you don't come to UDUB at least don't go to CAL". This was premeditated. NO EXCUSES! He was intent on F&^king us over."

PutYourNameOnIt;842035869 said:

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Some of you are taking this as a personal affront.

If this helps Cal football I'm for it. If we're going to get to where we want to get then we need to be all in. Utilize all our advantages and resources. That may or may not include Tosh.

There's a lot of butthurt here but this was never personal against Cal or any of the posters here. Tedford pissed on his own grave when he let Tosh take the fall for that Oregon debacle. Doesn't excuse Tosh's behavior but I'm over it and would welcome him back.

I'm sure Tosh still loves Cal. Byegones.

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My understanding is that Tedford and Sandy Barbour did stand up for Tosh but Chancellor Bergenoux (sp?) was under pressure form the Pac 10 to punish Tosh or the Pac 10 would punish CAL..

OskiMD;842035886 said:

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I don't know how you can even compare Tosh to Bozeman (who, incidentally, attacked one of his players at Morgan State last year), that's quite a stretch based on mostly speculation and heresay. Or, as the Vice President might say, a bunch of malarky.

People seem to forget that like them, Tosh is a Cal grad also. And even more, he's a former Cal scholarship football player. Give the kid a chance to redeem himself by recruiting bad @ss players who, under the leadership and direction of a good coaching staff, will take Cal to the Rose Bowl.

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Keep in mind that if JT had not made Tosh a graduate assistant and then dl coach way before he deserved it Tosh would still be an assistant coach at the high school level. Tosh did not get along with th rest of the coaching staff thinking he was worth so much more than everybody else. Not good team work. Football is a team game and Tosh has shown that Tosh is about Tosh. You keep assuming Tosh should come back, he will do a great job and everything will be forgotten and forgiven. Aren't your forgetting that taking Tosh back is more than a little risk that things don't work out as well as you hope. YOu also seem to think that Tosh is the ONLY good dl coach and recruiter in the country. FYI there are many other good dl coaches and recruiters.

pjlbear;842036484 said:

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Don't forget that Tosh told Armstead (who had his car packed and about to leave for CAL, "If you don't come to UDUB at least don't go to CAL". This was premeditated. NO EXCUSES! He was intent on F&^king us over."

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See, this is the part that is just so outrageously unconscionable, and I still have trouble understanding. I mean, wtf Tosh? Why? Leaving, poaching athletes, etc, while terrible, I can fathom. Telling a recruit essentially, wherever you should ultimetly chose to go, just don't go to Cal, is unfathomable...

pjlbear;842036493 said:

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Keep in mind that if JT had not made Tosh a graduate assistant and then dl coach way before he deserved it Tosh would still be an assistant coach at the high school level. Tosh did not get along with th rest of the coaching staff thinking he was worth so much more than everybody else. Not good team work. Football is a team game and Tosh has shown that Tosh is about Tosh. You keep assuming Tosh should come back, he will do a great job and everything will be forgotten and forgiven. Aren't your forgetting that taking Tosh back is more than a little risk that things don't work out as well as you hope. YOu also seem to think that Tosh is the ONLY good dl coach and recruiter in the country. FYI there are many other good dl coaches and recruiters.

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Taking Tosh back is like remembering what he did for us in recruiting a few years back, without remembering that the style he portrays and probably the attitude of some of his recruits is not what we want at Cal. Winning is one thing. Winning with a modicum of class is entirely a different thing.

I was wondering if anybody was going to notice that the scholastics went south as tosh started recruiting nationally...ultimately contributing to JTs fall.

pjlbear;842036493 said:

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Keep in mind that if JT had not made Tosh a graduate assistant and then dl coach way before he deserved it Tosh would still be an assistant coach at the high school level.

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I think his coaching and developing two guys (Cameron Jordan and Tyson Alualu) into 1st round draft picks more than proved that he deserved his job. Add to that his recruiting and you have a guy who was worth far more to Cal football than Tedford. If only Tedford had been the one to jump ship for UDub, Cal would have probably not lost any of those guys (except McCarthy who was destined for UCLA anyway) and would have pulled in a top 5 class.

oskirules;842035435 said:

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A close friend of mine who went to high school with Tosh said he was psyched up about the Dykes hiring and the possibility of working with DeWayne Walker to build a recruiting powerhouse in Berkeley for years to come, according to my sources.

Is Petersen still on the radar according to your sources? :p

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No thanks, Tosh!

beelzebear;842036128 said:

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Hey does Tosh have official PNG (persona non grata) status at Cal now? It's been bestowed upon a few journalist but not sure about alumni/former staff.

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To tell the truth, I would not have any objection to Tosh returning to coach at Cal as soon as icicles form on the pitchforks in Hades or pigs start showing up on the radar at SFO showing incoming flights. Until then I do not want to hear his name ever again.

Doesn't Tosh's time as coach here go along the same time frame as our fall as a program?

OskiMD;842035737 said:

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What?? Tosh had assembled a top 5 recruiting class before he bolted. And he did this with the program stuck in a rut for years and no history of real success (e.g. not even one BCS bowl or outright conference championship under Tedford's decade at Cal). He was/is much more valuable than Tedford. Imagine what Tosh could do with the new coaching staff... Rose Bowl within 3 years baby!

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This thread is great! We get to see who the "win at all costs" posters are.

OskiMD;842035886 said:

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I don't know how you can even compare Tosh to Bozeman (who, incidentally, attacked one of his players at Morgan State last year), that's quite a stretch based on mostly speculation and heresay. Or, as the Vice President might say, a bunch of malarky.

People seem to forget that like them, Tosh is a Cal grad also. And even more, he's a former Cal scholarship football player. Give the kid a chance to redeem himself by recruiting bad @ss players who, under the leadership and direction of a good coaching staff, will take Cal to the Rose Bowl.

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Huh? Did he take Cal to the Rose Bowl while he coached here? What makes you think he would do it now?

OdontoBear66;842036511 said:

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Taking Tosh back is like remembering what he did for us in recruiting a few years back, without remembering that the style he poortrays and probably the attitude of some of his recruits is not what we want at Cal. Winning is one thing. Winning with a modicum of class is entirely a different thing.

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Amen.

I'm fine with letting Dykes make this decision. If he wants meathead back, so be it. While lacking in character to a significant degree, tosh undoubtedly can recruit with the best of them and can coach a little.

My personal preference, don't want that guy anywhere near our players. Football players mimic the character of their coaches. This isn't who we want setting an example for the student-athletes.

Maybe with time, he'll grow up and become a better person. Wouldn't be opposed to changing my personal regard for him if that's the case.

SkyBear;842038584 said:

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As opposed to the "lose at all costs" posters.

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Or the win with class posters. Karma is a betch, winning at all costs will always come back to bite you in the ass, ask USC, Miami, or Ohio State.

Props to the OP for one of the best trolls in the history of BI.

BerlinerBaer;842039373 said:

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Props to the OP for one of the best trolls in the history of BI.

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+1
This thing is still rollin.

BerlinerBaer;842039373 said:

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Props to the OP for one of the best trolls in the history of BI.

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Thanks, I try.

Sincerely,
TL

I think taking tosh back would be like taking back a spouse who cheated....knowing they will cheat again. I'll pass. Let him rebuild his character up in Seattle as the sark ship sinks - his character will be revealed again.