I don't want to see him, period.

oskirules;842035435 said:

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A close friend of mine who went to high school with Tosh said he was psyched up about the Dykes hiring and the possibility of working with DeWayne Walker to build a recruiting powerhouse in Berkeley for years to come, according to my sources.

Is Petersen still on the radar according to your sources? :p

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Tell Tosh he first has to resign from UW to show that he is contrite and wishes to atone. Then, he has to bring a 5 star DL with him. Then, we'll consider him in due course, along with the other candidates. Will he compete for the job?

NYCGOBEARS;842035534 said:

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I don't want to see him, period.

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500k for a dline coach?

62bear;842035490 said:

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I wouldn't even hire Lupoi to clean up the bathrooms at Kip's.

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Haha! I would. Unless someone else wanted the job.

EriGoldenBear;842035473 said:

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He can go f*ck himself

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Ditto..

OskiMD;842035505 said:

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Wow, truly hell hath no fury like a mediocre college football team fanbase scorned.

Get over it guys.

Tosh, as a former Cal player, did more for the Cal football program than any of you who are not former players have done or will ever do. And that includes all the mega-rich, personal injury lawyer boosters out there. He made some poor choices, but so did Tedford.

Now, Tedford is thankfully out of Berkeley and so let's welcome back Tosh to his alma mater and let this highly valuable and talented young man help his program get back on track and finally lead us to the Rose Bowl with the new coaching staff.

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To$h, quit posting under a handle - use your real name. You made your sh!t-hole, now go lie in it - for a couple decades.

Not all who are associated with Cal are created equal(ly). Tosh is not fit to coach at Cal any more than Ted Kaczynski is fit to be a professor at Cal.

oskirules;842035435 said:

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A close friend of mine who went to high school with Tosh said he was psyched up about the Dykes hiring and the possibility of working with DeWayne Walker to build a recruiting powerhouse in Berkeley for years to come, according to my sources.

Is Petersen still on the radar according to your sources? :p

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This is a joke, right? You sure got a lot of heated responses...
:rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh:

OskiMD;842035505 said:

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Wow, truly hell hath no fury like a mediocre college football team fanbase scorned.

Get over it guys.

Tosh, as a former Cal player, did more for the Cal football program than any of you who are not former players have done or will ever do. And that includes all the mega-rich, personal injury lawyer boosters out there. He made some poor choices, but so did Tedford.

Now, Tedford is thankfully out of Berkeley and so let's welcome back Tosh to his alma mater and let this highly valuable and talented young man help his program get back on track and finally lead us to the Rose Bowl with the new coaching staff.

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From what I've heard, Tosh isn't coming back any time soon, and it isn't just about burned bridges.

First of all, you can't equate poor ethical choices that Tosh made to poor strategic choices Tedford made. There will be a lot of employers that would have trouble with how he handled leaving Cal. You don't want to get screwed like that.

But, from what I've heard, Tosh was a walking compliance disaster and the AD was consistently having to clean up his messes. He also gets a lot of the blame for the downturn in academic success. Because of this, I believe that even if Tosh had left in an impeccable manner, he would not be brought back. It's not just a matter of being scorned.

OskiMD;842035505 said:

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Wow, truly hell hath no fury like a mediocre college football team fanbase scorned.

Get over it guys.

Tosh, as a former Cal player, did more for the Cal football program than any of you who are not former players have done or will ever do.

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While that may be true, the same is true of a lot of other people who didn't also turn around and stab us in the back. I'm saving my good wishes and warm fuzzies for them.

I would hire him to clean up the bathrooms at Kip's, but only if he had to use his tongue to do it.

Was this overheard at Taco Bell?

I think people deserve a chance to make mistakes in life and move on from it.

With that said, we are nowhere near that with Tosh.

One thing that Sandy said during yesterday's presser that I really liked was that we did this the "right way." She really stressed this.

Maybe it's just lip service but I think it's something we should always strive for at Cal.

Let's be real - if we had a top 10 team, NONE OF YOU would care about the APR scores. Using the APR scores as an excuse to bag on To$h is laughable.

At this point, I dont care to have To$h back but Im not going to use arguments like - "oh he brought players who didnt care academically." They got into the school through admissions, and therefore they were obviously qualified to come here. Yeah they do not do well WHILE being here, but that is not To$h's fault.

freshfunk;842035636 said:

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I think people deserve a chance to make mistakes in life and move on from it.

With that said, we are nowhere near that with Tosh.

One thing that Sandy said during yesterday's presser that I really liked was that we did this the "right way." She really stressed this.

Maybe it's just lip service but I think it's something we should always strive for at Cal.

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What about if Wilcox got a look as DC? He has got to feel that another .500 year by Sark next year and his job may be in jeopardy. Although probably not the first choice, he would be an adequate DC and would likely bring Tosh with him. They would have great skills recruiting the west coast and have a familiarity with Cal institutionally. If this were to happen, I'd be okay with Tosh coming back as DL coach, at least he'd be humbled by the experience and possibly the only reason he did what he did is now gone.

Cal Panda Bear;842035639 said:

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Let's be real - if we had a top 10 team, NONE OF ME would care about the APR scores. Using the APR scores as an excuse to bag on To$h is laughable.

At this point, I dont care to have To$h back but Im not going to use arguments like - "oh he brought players who didnt care academically." They got into the school through admissions, and therefore they were obviously qualified to come here. Yeah they do not do well WHILE being here, but that is not To$h's fault.

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You just might be the minority.

If it's true, it's pretty funny, and kinda sick. It confirms that this was a vindictive move against JT. And as happy as I am to turn the page and look forward to the Dykes Era, JT did not deserve that. And if I were SD, much like the ex girlfriend analogy, I'd stay far away from someone like that.

But... "we'll see."

OaktownBear;842035585 said:

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From what I've heard, Tosh isn't coming back any time soon, and it isn't just about burned bridges.

First of all, you can't equate poor ethical choices that Tosh made to poor strategic choices Tedford made. There will be a lot of employers that would have trouble with how he handled leaving Cal. You don't want to get screwed like that.

But, from what I've heard, Tosh was a walking compliance disaster and the AD was consistently having to clean up his messes. He also gets a lot of the blame for the downturn in academic success. Because of this, I believe that even if Tosh had left in an impeccable manner, he would not be brought back. It's not just a matter of being scorned.

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This is what I've heard as well. That Tosh was walking a very fine line with Compliance who didn't think highly of his tactics. Like any bubble, he did great early on but as success went to his head, he started to bend the rules so much and put less credence on academics that if he hadn't left, he probably would have screwed us soon with his antics. Tosh is a poor man's Ed Orgeron with less coaching talent and less Red Bull.

OskiMD;842035505 said:

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Wow, truly hell hath no fury like a mediocre college football team fanbase scorned.

Get over it guys.

Tosh, as a former Cal player, did more for the Cal football program than any of you who are not former players have done or will ever do. And that includes all the mega-rich, personal injury lawyer boosters out there. He made some poor choices, but so did Tedford.

Now, Tedford is thankfully out of Berkeley and so let's welcome back Tosh to his alma mater and let this highly valuable and talented young man help his program get back on track and finally lead us to the Rose Bowl with the new coaching staff.

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Do you really want Tosh out of Washington that badly????

Cal Panda Bear;842035639 said:

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Let's be real - if we had a top 10 team, NONE OF YOU would care about the APR scores.

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I would. I don't relate this issue to Tosh, but I have no interest in winning while becoming an academic embarrassment like Louisville basketball under Crum.

I'm willing to put the Tosh drama behind us if he wants to come back for 2 reasons.

1)Our recruiting classes will be ridiculous under dykes and tosh
2)It will F up Sark and Washington for years to come

Dykes is too classy to have someone like Tosh on staff. Won't happen.

510Bear;842035600 said:

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While that may be true, the same is true of a lot of other people who didn't also turn around and stab us in the back. I'm saving my good wishes and warm fuzzies for them.

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+1k

TheBears;842035656 said:

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I would. I don't relate this issue to Tosh, but I have no interest in winning while becoming an academic embarrassment like Louisville basketball under Crum.

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+1

Anyone who doesn't care about this wasted tax payer money and their own time sleeping at the main stacks.

no more tosh anything around here dammit - Today, 08:56 AM
please !!!!!!! we have moved on totally new era stop dragging the old trash around .... he is dead to me and should be on BI unless we have a game with the puppies other wise shut it down ... this mess will be everywhere on the net before we know it that is not the buzz i want for CAL Football at this time


so let those other threads and this one flame out to page 2 where they belong
day after hiring of new coach i dont want to hear about boat boy AT ALL !!

If Tosh was hired, all that talk about "commitment to excellence in all areas" from yesterday would be pretty hypocritical.

TheBears;842035656 said:

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I would. I don't relate this issue to Tosh, but I have no interest in winning while becoming an academic embarrassment like Louisville basketball under Crum.

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Ditto this, about a milliion times over. But I have a feeling there are a lot of 'cal' fans, basketball and football, who don't necessarily see it this way. And that's a shame.

FrankBear21;842035663 said:

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I'm willing to put the Tosh drama behind us if he wants to come back for 2 reasons.

1)Our recruiting classes will be ridiculous under dykes and tosh
2)It will F up Sark and Washington for years to come

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100% agree. I've been hard on Tedford because he hasn't produced results. If Tosh can come aboard and help us to a Rose Bowl, I could not care less about him having "burned a bridge". I'd take an apology and just know the type of guy you're dealing with.

I don't even fault him for leaving for more $. Not like JT ever gave us a hometown discount for giving him a chance. How many of us would give our current employers a loyalty discount double check?

well there might be some conflict when it comes to Sonny's plan to get the best fit student-athletes to Cal. If I heard correctly, Tosh recruited some kids who were highly ranked, but weren't exactly the right fit for Cal's academics.

Tosh might be able to get us to a Rose bowl recruiting wise.

He also might have us put on probation for academics.

Absolutely no.

goldenbearlylegal;842035690 said:

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100% agree. I've been hard on Tedford because he hasn't produced results. If Tosh can come aboard and help us to a Rose Bowl, I could not care less about him having "burned a bridge". I'd take an apology and just know the type of guy you're dealing with.

I don't even fault him for leaving for more $. Not like JT ever gave us a hometown discount for giving him a chance. How many of us would give our current employers a loyalty discount double check?

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There are various ways you can leave for more money. One way is to be douche like Tosh/Kiffin and there are other, classier ways to leave. If he had to leave for money, advancement, he could have at least waited to recruit Shaq to UW when he wasn't on a Cal visit, not snuck out in the middle of the night and leave Tedford hanging, and been upfront about monetary demands.

OaktownBear;842035585 said:

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From what I've heard, Tosh isn't coming back any time soon, and it isn't just about burned bridges.

First of all, you can't equate poor ethical choices that Tosh made to poor strategic choices Tedford made. There will be a lot of employers that would have trouble with how he handled leaving Cal. You don't want to get screwed like that.

But, from what I've heard, Tosh was a walking compliance disaster and the AD was consistently having to clean up his messes. He also gets a lot of the blame for the downturn in academic success. Because of this, I believe that even if Tosh had left in an impeccable manner, he would not be brought back. It's not just a matter of being scorned.

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Spot on.
To say he was "highly valuable" is not true.

No!

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice...