http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9123269

Why the big drop?

Maybe because he didnt go to the Combine and missed out on Cal's Pro Day. Meanwhile other WRs like Tavon Austin are rising.

KA has alot to prove at his pro-day in NC.

tommie317;842110167 said:

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http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9123269

Why the big drop?

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He didn't run at the Combine. He needs to show that he's at least a "4.5-something" guy, because if he's a 4.6, that's probably not first round stuff.

what picks do the niners have in the second round? if i were them i wouldnt draft him in the first but if you can pick him up mid second then its worth it

DJax just called, he said save that chip on the shoulder, use it and KILL IT in the NFL.

I think KA21 does better than fine.

gobears725;842110172 said:

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what picks do the niners have in the second round? if i were them i wouldnt draft him in the first but if you can pick him up mid second then its worth it

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They have pick 34.

I think Keenan would be a steal in round 2

djax hasnt killed jack **** in the NFL

he had maybe 1.5 good years

still rooting for him tho

gobears725;842110172 said:

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what picks do the niners have in the second round? if i were them i wouldnt draft him in the first but if you can pick him up mid second then its worth it

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That would be a horrendous decision - after trading for Quan they have no need for another WR. Not when DL and S are such pressing needs.

gobears725;842110172 said:

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what picks do the niners have in the second round? if i were them i wouldnt draft him in the first but if you can pick him up mid second then its worth it

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I dont see that happening since the Niners are apparently trying to get Victor Cruz.


That and they hate and have a bias against Cal players :sarc:

tommie317;842110167 said:

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http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9123269

Why the big drop?

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Kiper's been undervaluing Keenan for a while. McShay still has Allen in the 1st round.

BlueAndGold;842110187 said:

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That would be a horrendous decision - after trading for Quan they have no need for another WR. Not when DL and S are such pressing needs.

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they just picked two potential safeties, asomugha and the other guy. your top two are boldin and crabtree but after that its a crap shoot. manningham is coming off injury. i admit their primary need at receiver is a speed guy, but if he drops then its a value pick and i think boldin will only be a year or two rental at the most

DilbungLavingson;842110186 said:

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djax hasnt killed jack **** in the NFL

he had maybe 1.5 good years

still rooting for him tho

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His long contract dispute and eventual signing with the Eagles says otherwise. Philly is one of the cheapest/tightest NFL teams. If they signed DJax, he was vetted. I look forward to see what happens with DJax and Chippy's offense.

victor cruz? really? id rather have him than keenan. sorry KA

DilbungLavingson;842110186 said:

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djax hasnt killed jack **** in the NFL

he had maybe 1.5 good years

still rooting for him tho

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He was great in 2008, 2009 and 2010 (The Miracle in the Meadowlands II happened at the end of his 3rd year).

But he was great with McNabb. He just needs a decent QB.

DilbungLavingson;842110186 said:

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djax hasnt killed jack **** in the NFL

he had maybe 1.5 good years

still rooting for him tho

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He made the Pro Bowl at two positions. He was also franchise tagged and got paid subsequent to his rookie deal. It seems plenty of people believe he killed it.

Never the less, if KA again refuses to do the physical tests, his stock will drop. A bad knee is not what teams are looking for......

tommie317;842110167 said:

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http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9123269

Why the big drop?

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Really? one guy drops him, and people here think it is news? I've seen a number of mocks, and every single one has KA going in the first, usually the third or fourth WR coming off the board. If he lasted till 31, the niners should grab him. Crabtree, Davis and KA, that would would be a very solid group.
There are a ton of db's and tackles they can get w there 2 2nd round picks, or they could group lower picks and easily move up. Plus TE's are will be available in the later rounds as well.: always:gobears:

Bearclawz;842110211 said:

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Really? one guy drops him, and people here think it is news? I've seen a number of mocks, and every single one has KA going in the first, usually the third or fourth WR coming off the board. If he lasted till 31, the niners should grab him. Crabtree, Davis and KA, that would would be a very solid group.
There are a ton of db's and tackles they can get w there 2 2nd round picks, or they could group lower picks and easily move up. Plus TE's are will be available in the later rounds as well.: always:gobears:

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its only cause its kiper, but id still say as long as he runs a halfway decent time hes a first rounder. its going to be handtimed i assume so it shouldnt be too hard.

gobears725;842110193 said:

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they just picked two potential safeties, asomugha and the other guy. your top two are boldin and crabtree but after that its a crap shoot. manningham is coming off injury. i admit their primary need at receiver is a speed guy, but if he drops then its a value pick and i think boldin will only be a year or two rental at the most

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as a 49er fan I'll be disappointed if they draft him. You don't see too many (good) teams with three possession guys as their top receivers. They really do need a speed guy to prevent teams from playing 4-7 defenses against them even if it means running 0-catches-for-the-season Jenkins out there.

gobears725;842110193 said:

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they just picked two potential safeties, asomugha and the other guy. your top two are boldin and crabtree but after that its a crap shoot. manningham is coming off injury. i admit their primary need at receiver is a speed guy, but if he drops then its a value pick and i think boldin will only be a year or two rental at the most

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Aso is going to play corner. Said they never even discussed him working at S - and Craig Dahl isn't being brought in with the hopes of starting.

None of this is definitive of course, since things are always in flux. But I would bet a very, very substantial amount of money they're not going with a WR.

StillNoStanfurdium;842110192 said:

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Kiper's been undervaluing Keenan for a while. McShay still has Allen in the 1st round.

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In February kiper had keenan at 22

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9134099&src=desktop
Mcshay currently has Keenan at 24.

His mock draft is really weird, he has no QB's going in the first round. Has that ever happened?

dinan3;842110210 said:

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Never the less, if KA again refuses to do the physical tests, his stock will drop. A bad knee is not what teams are looking for......

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April 9th, that's the day he's supposed to be holding his private workout for scouts.

tommie317;842110221 said:

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In February kiper had keenan at 22

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9134099&src=desktop
Mcshay currently has Keenan at 24

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I'm also considering his position relative to other WRs. First Justin Hunter was the WR above, Keenan, then Patterson was, then Tavon Austin came in, then Tavon and Patterson came in, etc. Also he was at one point projected even higher than 20 in terms of the Big Board.

Cal Panda Bear;842110189 said:

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I dont see that happening since the Niners are apparently trying to get Victor Cruz.


That and they hate and have a bias against Cal players :sarc:

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Is the whole thing sarcastic or just the last? The reason I ask is they only have about 2 million remaining under the cap. They would have to release some folks.

In any case, I agree with Blue and Gold that WRs like KA are not an early round draft need when compared to defense or TE. I even think they would take a CB over a WR early, unless Austin, who can stretch the field, is somehow available or they trade up for him.

I haven't followed all the off-season signings at WR, but about a month ago WR was a big need for several teams like Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Green Bay and New England. It seems to me that one of those teams or some others would still take KA in round 1 if his 40 time is respectable.

In any case it should be a fun draft to watch with all the 49er picks. This is a stretch, but I wonder if they would/could trade up enough to get Dee Milliner or a top DT/DE. It would be costly for sure. But would it be worth it given that they don't have many remaining needs and would still have at least 2 3rd round picks left as well as a ton of later round picks?

tommie317;842110221 said:

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In February kiper had keenan at 22

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9134099&src=desktop
Mcshay currently has Keenan at 24.

His mock draft is really weird, he has no QB's going in the first round. Has that ever happened?

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I'd be very surprised if Geno Smith doesn't go to Jacksonville with the 2nd overall pick.

I wonder what Jacksonville would do if KC took Geno Smith and forced Jacksonville to trade for him. It would be a bold move by KC and could backfire. But KC could end up with the 2nd overall pick, which would be the same as the first for them and an additional pick as well. With the 2nd pick they could still take Luke Joekel.

BlueAndGold;842110219 said:

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Aso is going to play corner. Said they never even discussed him working at S - and Craig Dahl isn't being brought in with the hopes of starting.

None of this is definitive of course, since things are always in flux. But I would bet a very, very substantial amount of money they're not going with a WR.

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id say that it is 3rd in their needs as you stated the d line and S help is more pressing, but dont they have two second round picks? say they pick up a dlineman and safety already with their first and early second rounder, the next pick, a late second rounder, trade it and move up and take KA as a middle second rounder. yea its far fetched i guess, considering KA's value on the niners is probably 2 years from now and not immediate.

gobears725;842110235 said:

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id say that it is 3rd in their needs as you stated the d line and S help is more pressing, but dont they have two second round picks? say they pick up a dlineman and safety already with their first and early second rounder, the next pick, a late second rounder, trade it and move up and take KA as a middle second rounder. yea its far fetched i guess, considering KA's value on the niners is probably 2 years from now and not immediate.

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I still think you'd want another DL or DB at that point. I suspect you get the DE first, then DT and then move up to get the DB.

heartofthebear;842110224 said:

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Is the whole thing sarcastic or just the last? The reason I ask is they only have about 2 million remaining under the cap. They would have to release some folks.

In any case, I agree with Blue and Gold that WRs like KA are not an early round draft need when compared to defense or TE. I even think they would take a CB over a WR early, unless Austin, who can stretch the field, is somehow available or they trade up for him.

I haven't followed all the off-season signings at WR, but about a month ago WR was a big need for several teams like Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Green Bay and New England. It seems to me that one of those teams or some others would still take KA in round 1 if his 40 time is respectable.

In any case it should be a fun draft to watch with all the 49er picks. This is a stretch, but I wonder if they would/could trade up enough to get Dee Milliner or a top DT/DE. It would be costly for sure. But would it be worth it given that they don't have many remaining needs and would still have at least 2 3rd round picks left as well as a ton of later round picks?

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The Cruz to Niners talk was an April Fools joke that alot of people fell for.

I think the Niners are going to try to make a move for Austin. The guy is the next Percy Harvin. But I agree, WR is not a top need. Safety and DL are bigger. I see KA being the second WR taken, late first round perhaps to a team like Baltimore or NE.

I hope KA goes first round. I don't think he skipped school without a reasonable assumption he'd be a first rounder.

SI's mock draft, released yesterday, has Keenan going No. 27.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130403/nfl-mock-draft-4/

gobears725;842110214 said:

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its only cause its kiper, but id still say as long as he runs a halfway decent time hes a first rounder. its going to be handtimed i assume so it shouldnt be too hard.

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The NFL scouts aren't as dumb as I look: They are well aware of the little idiosyncracies of the "dash for cash" and take them into account. If, in NC, it's like, "Let's pull a few shenanigans to get KA a 4.45", that's NOT going to help him.

Big C_Cal;842110291 said:

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The NFL scouts aren't as dumb as I look: They are well aware of the little idiosyncracies of the "dash for cash" and take them into account. If, in NC, it's like, "Let's pull a few shenanigans to get KA a 4.45", that's NOT going to help him.

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I'm pretty sure scouts will attend in person and bring their own stopwatches to do the timing. They won't just take whatever an officially released time is. It's what they do even at the Combine AFAIK.

StillNoStanfurdium;842110222 said:

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April 9th, that's the day he's supposed to be holding his private workout for scouts.

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Will he wear the new uniform?

Tedford;842110185 said:

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They have pick 34.

I think Keenan would be a steal in round 2

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He's got the goods.

StillNoStanfurdium;842110312 said:

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I'm pretty sure scouts will attend in person and bring their own stopwatches to do the timing. They won't just take whatever an officially released time is. It's what they do even at the Combine AFAIK.

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He should have Steve Williams run for him, that 4.42 would look pretty good.