biely medved;842224976 said:

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Wrong again. The ONLY way to get over being too amped and all of the commensurate problems is to play more. First, you need to be prepared to play, then you need to get enough time to get comfortable, let the game slow down, and then you can do what you are physically able to do.

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The game was not going to "slow down" for Kline in the 4th quarter of game when you're trying to make 17-24 point comeback. Be real.

He should have had more time earlier in the season, but both putting him in and pulling him today were the right call.

And he he does look worse than Goff.

There is a leadership issue.

blungld;842224964 said:

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I agree. Goff's performance had diminished to the point where he had to make a change if the goal was to still try and win. Then Kline came in and showed once again that he is simply too amped up, overthrows, and is very erratic. He provide a boost of energy, has a strong arm, and can scramble better than Goff--but he is far less accurate and he forces it even worse than Goff. Love the guy, but he's not as good as Goff right now.

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Kline averaged 5.9 yards per attempt today. Goff averaged 3.8 yards. Just so you know.

Kline played okay, no worse than Goff. Anyone claiming otherwise is seriously stretching it to make a point.

I doubt any wisdom went into the call. Just like other positions, this staff has shown a basic inability to evaluate any position. They're just throwing sh*t up against the wall and seeing what sticks. That's why we've seen a change at nearly every position after a player 2 or 3 deep suddenly shines when given a chance or the starter is a train wreck. As a result we have kids who jus haven't had enough cumulative experience to play their positions effectively.

This staff is an absolute cluster.

Muncie;842225015 said:

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Wow.



I don't like to call people this... but


You are one stupid MF !!!

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You need to STOP!!! What is wrong with you?

Muncie;842225015 said:

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Wow.



I don't like to call people this... but


You are one stupid MF !!!

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Munkie speak?

Muncie;842225022 said:

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+1

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No! YOU Muncie!!!!

blungld;842225000 said:

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The game was not going to "slow down" for Kline in the 4th quarter of game when you're trying to make 17-24 point comeback. Be real.

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I think you should be real as well. At the point Kline was put in, there was NO WAY we were coming back to win that game. It was garbage time, pure and simple, which is the perfect time to play your backup QB. In fact, Dykes, by putting in the 2nd QB, essentially acknowledged that there was no chance of winning the game. And then, inexplicably, he decided he needed to put the 1st QB back in.

Muncie;842225015 said:

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Wow.



I don't like to call people this... but


You are one stupid MF !!!

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Against better judgement I am responding to you. I have been on these boards since their inception as a daily email digest, and I have not read one poster more deserving of being banned nor one who is more consistently obnoxious, rude, and argumentative.

I am a stupid MF? That's what this board has degenerated to? There was nothing "stupid" about what I wrote. You are either really young, have no capacity to disagree with another person without resorting to attacking and name calling, or have some kind of personal issues. Get control of yourself.

And if putdowns and attacks are the only thing you understand: I'd be happy to put my IQ (sports or otherwise) against yours any day of the week and laugh at your pathetic effort to keep pace.

blungld;842225000 said:

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The game was not going to "slow down" for Kline in the 4th quarter of game when you're trying to make 17-24 point comeback. Be real.

He should have had more time earlier in the season, but both putting him in and pulling him today were the right call.

And he he does look worse than Goff.

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Wrong again!


One more and you are out.

sketchy9;842225073 said:

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I think you should be real as well. At the point Kline was put in, there was NO WAY we were coming back to win that game.

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We were only down 14 points in the third quarter. There was plenty of time to win that game. Unfortunately, he produced zero points.

sketchy9;842225073 said:

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I think you should be real as well. At the point Kline was put in, there was NO WAY we were coming back to win that game. It was garbage time, pure and simple, which is the perfect time to play your backup QB. In fact, Dykes, by putting in the 2nd QB, essentially acknowledged that there was no chance of winning the game. And then, inexplicably, he decided he needed to put the 1st QB back in.

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That's not accurate. The game was not over. However, it does show that our pass offense is not working regardless of who qb's. Kline didn't show much, but we can't make conclusions based on this. He doesn't seem bad nor very good, that's all I can say. Hopefully, whether its goff or kline, we have a better passing game next year.

blungld;842225000 said:

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And he he does look worse than Goff.

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Unfortunately, yes.

TheSouseFamily;842225008 said:

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Kline averaged 5.9 yards per attempt today. Goff averaged 3.8 yards. Just so you know.

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+1

goff supports are so blind, they actually think goff outplayed kline.

tommie317;842225206 said:

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+1

goff supports are so blind, they actually think goff outplayed kline.

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I thought Goff outplayed Kline. Does that make me a goff support?

tommie317;842225206 said:

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+1

goff supports are so blind, they actually think goff outplayed kline.

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Goff did outplay Klineand that wasn't saying much. And I know this because Iwait for it.watched the game. Visions fine.

I support both players.

What is up with this us/them mentality that pervades everything internet?

Here's a little secret: the universe isn't binary and people do not see every issue as THIS or THAT in 100%-committed, polarized, I-hate-the-other-guy terms.

blungld;842225234 said:

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Goff did outplay Klineand that wasn't saying much. And I know this because Iwait for it.watched the game. Visions fine.

I support both players.

What is up with this us/them mentality that pervades everything internet?

Here's a little secret: the universe isn't binary and people do not see every issue as THIS or THAT in 100%-committed, polarized, I-hate-the-other-guy terms.

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Okay I'm going to try this without calling names. How the **** did Goff outplay Kline?

He played 2 series!!! Those that say Goff outplayed Kline have no concept of statistical significance. There is simply not enough data to make a judgment.

I'm hoping the true story was that Goff had to take a massive sh*t because of a bad burrito he ate while trying to get Mexican food in Colorado and it took him 2 series to empty his bowels. Once he was done, he was ready to go back in.

Similarly, a hand injury might make sense (early in the game he seemed to wince and shake his hand).

However this staff has acted clowny all season so I wouldn't put it past them to do something inane as I think they did today.

This is seriously amateur hour. We need to get a refund and send these coaches back to the minor leagues.

In the Oregon and OSU games, Kline moves the offense and gets points. He was clearly more effective than Goff, and showed such right away. He stays in to finish those games.

This time, that did not happen, and he was pulled. Why such a short leash? He wasn't exactly worse than Goff. With just 7 passes, there is little to take from that though. With a better rating and yards / attempt, that might have one think that he can produce if given some more attempts.

As someone said earlier, maybe it was simply a maneuver to positively impact Goff's play. After what I thought was his best game last week, this performance was not just a step back, but much worse than his season average, and one of his worst games this season. CU's pass D is the 11th in the conference too.

freshfunk;842225247 said:

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He played 2 series!!! Those that say Goff outplayed Kline have no concept of statistical significance. There is simply not enough data to make a judgment.

I'm hoping the true story was that Goff had to take a massive sh*t because of a bad burrito he ate while trying to get Mexican food in Colorado and it took him 2 series to empty his bowels. Once he was done, he was ready to go back in.

Similarly, a hand injury might make sense (early in the game he seemed to wince and shake his hand).

However this staff has acted clowny all season so I wouldn't put it past them to do something inane as I think they did today.

This is seriously amateur hour. We need to get a refund and send these coaches back to the minor leagues.

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Exactly!

For all that matters, Kline didn't even play today.

Goff had a pretty bad game, and the 2 series that Kline saw wasn't that good either. They both did not show much today.

However we've had a season to see Goff degrade to this level, instead of improve. He was actually better in Game 1 than Game 11. That is sufficient for a judgment on these coaches.

The system sucks. It doesn't matter who we have playing QB. The problem is the scheme not the QBs.

biely medved;842224976 said:

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Wrong again. The ONLY way to get over being too amped and all of the commensurate problems is to play more. First, you need to be prepared to play, then you need to get enough time to get comfortable, let the game slow down, and then you can do what you are physically able to do.

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'Wrong again'? What was the other time?

rjgoode;842225315 said:

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The system sucks. It doesn't matter who we have playing QB. The problem is the scheme not the QBs.

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Agree, I dread the thought of another year under this system. Actually think we could have had a decent running game this year under a "normal" offensive scheme.

clipman;842225381 said:

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Agree, I dread the thought of another year under this system. Actually think we could have had a decent running game this year under a "normal" offensive scheme.

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Not with our patchwork O-line filled with underclassmen.

Putting Kline in for two series may have had nothing to do with seeing whether Kline could do things better, or give the Bears a spark. It may have been an effort on Dykes' part to get Goff to settle down and watch the game from the sidelines so he could go in again and have a better idea of what to do. I recall a few years ago some opposing coach (I want to say Chip Kelly, but it might have been Bellotti) pulled his QB for a series or two in the third quarter of a game, and when asked about it afterwards, that was the answer he gave. It wasn't about the backup QB at all - the coach had already committed to the starter (like it seems Dykes has with Goff) - it was to settle the starting QB and have him see the game from a different perspective for a short time before putting him back in again.

NYCGOBEARS;842225383 said:

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Not with our patchwork O-line filled with underclassmen.

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Granted, this group is young and inexperienced, but think we have some talent. Unfortunately, under this system I don't think our offense will ever have much success in the Pac 12, let's end this experiment now.

clipman;842225394 said:

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Granted, this group is young and inexperienced, but think we have some talent. Unfortunately, under this system I don't think our offense will ever have much success in the Pac 12, let's end this experiment now.

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I don't agree. It's not the scheme. It's the execution.

oski003;842225164 said:

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That's not accurate. The game was not over. However, it does show that our pass offense is not working regardless of who qb's. Kline didn't show much, but we can't make conclusions based on this. He doesn't seem bad nor very good, that's all I can say. Hopefully, whether its goff or kline, we have a better passing game next year.

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My point was that, regardless of what the score was at the time, we were not coming back to win that game. We have neither the talent nor the mental fortitude as a team to do so. In fact, a good argument could be made that the coaches felt the same way; if they truly believed a comeback was possible, why not leave in the QB who gives you the best chance to win? And, as Dykes has said repeatedly over the season, he believes that person is Goff.

The very act of replacing a HEALTHY Goff indicates that, as far as the coaches were concerned, the game was over. That's why only one of two explanations makes any sense: that Goff was in fact injured and felt better enough two series later to go back in the game; or that the coaches screwed the pooch and completely mismanaged garbage time with the backup QB.

I haven't watched the bears road games but in looking at the box scores it looks like Kline tucks n runs more than Goff. That would get Sonny's hook. is Kline scrambling when he could be dumping the ball off? It might move the chains but its contrary to franklin n Sonny's plan.

NYCGOBEARS;842225395 said:

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I don't agree. It's not the scheme. It's the execution.

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Your confidence with our offensive system is admired, will be very surprised if we're running the same offense more than 1 more year - it won't work, too much talent in the Pac 12 for these gimmicky schemes. Let's cut our losses and move on.

clipman;842225407 said:

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Your confidence with our offensive system is admired, will be very surprised if we're running the same offense more than 1 more year - it won't work, too much talent in the Pac 12 for these gimmicky schemes. Let's cut our losses and move on.

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Doesn't Oregon run a "gimmicky scheme"?

rjgoode;842225315 said:

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The system sucks. It doesn't matter who we have playing QB. The problem is the scheme not the QBs.

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If that's the case, then leave Kline in!

freshfunk;842225422 said:

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If that's the case, then leave Kline in!

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Lol. You are consistent my friend!

blungld;842225000 said:

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The game was not going to "slow down" for Kline in the 4th quarter of game when you're trying to make 17-24 point comeback. Be real.

He should have had more time earlier in the season, but both putting him in and pulling him today were the right call.

And he he does look worse than Goff.

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what game were you watching? Goff barely completed half of his passes. Give Kline that many opportunities and he blows away Goff's stats. Goff has no deep ball, and it's glaringly obvious, particularly in a game where we had a running game working. which is the only argument his defenders have had all year, until now. did you like Goff floating that deep ball at the end of the game. nice interception.

your arguments seriously don't make sense. pull a qb, who is always put in when we're losing, before he has time to calm down a bit. Goff does worse in his first two series in every game he starts.