Think it's time to start the actual, legit "coaching candidates thread"

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wifeisafurd
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Anderson at Furd (presently DC, previously recruiting coordinator, so he knows defense and recruiting academically oriented kids)
Scott Frost (former Furd player)
Wilcox (former Cal assistant)
Dakota dude (cheap)

Not based on inside info, but on Cal's desire to have someone who gets Cal (e.g., academics), knows defense, and/or is not expensive.

Names like Kelly don't make sense dollar wise.
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1. Dave Aranda (Dream Hire)
2. Troy Calhoun
3. Ken Niumatalolo
4. Justin Wilcox
5. Willie Taggart
6. Matt Rhule
CGB2813
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ducky23;842770690 said:

I would obviously love fleck, but that seems like such a long shot (longer than getting Petersen who has roots here).

Fleck is to college football what Shaka smart was to basketball. Every fan base making a similar list of potential candidates has him on or near the top.


Obviously, Oregon could outspend anyone for their man, but If Dykes leaves and Fleck ends up at a place like Purdue without Williams being able to get as much as an interview, that tells me all I need to know about our AD. Not saying he'll be able to HIRE him (admittedly, that will be a tall task), but an interview would be better than how far Sandy got with Petersen.
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beeasyed;842770700 said:

also, why are we comparing how much SMU is paying to keep morris with what cal is willing to pay for a HC?


The better question is how is a 5 win coach G5 coach worth 5 million? Yeah I get June Jones bailed on the team and they went 1-11, but Dykes going from 1-11 to 5-7 certainly didn't merit much of a pay bump.
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concernedparent;842770724 said:

The better question is how is a 5 win coach G5 coach worth 5 million? Yeah I get June Jones bailed on the team and they went 1-11, but Dykes going from 1-11 to 5-7 certainly didn't merit much of a pay bump.


That was my thoughts as well...Morris hasn't exactly proved to be a big time coach...asking for 5mil a year seems excessive.
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OaktownBear;842770657 said:

There are only two candidates that have been mentioned on this board that are remotely acceptable. Ron Rivera who is extremely unlikely and Jim Leavitt. You guys are all going down the same route that got us into this mess-name HC guys who are necessarily retreads or mediocre because that is all we'll pay for.

Spavital - yeah, the past four years has been awesome. Someone gives us a get out of jail free card and we go rob the nearest liquor store

Helfrich - can I please have the guy who took a dominant program with unlimited funds and ran it into the ground in a few years? What, Gilby isn't available?

Charlie Strong - can't beat our crappy coach with better personnel

Lane Kiffin - Oh H to the E to the double L no. Jesus H. Christ, you know a lot of Cal fans are Raider fans and got to see that act up close. Not a one would take Kiffin over Hue and we don't want Hue. Kiffin was a good OC before being a absolutely crap head coach everywhere he has gone. It is not surprising he is a good OC again.

Call Ron. If he doesn't want it, get Ron to help look. Get Herm Edwards, Jack Clark, Mooch and others to put together a list of guys they believe in that we have never heard of. Add Leavitt. Do the interviews. No $2M mediocre head coaches please.


Agree, although I like Spavital- it's just too soon to be HC. Especially agree about calling Rivera and the search committee. What are the odds they follow your advice?
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wifeisafurd;842770717 said:

Not based on inside info, but on Cal's desire to have someone who gets Cal (e.g., academics), knows defense, and/or is not expensive.


I would think Lance Anderson would be near the top of our wishlist. There's lots of talk on here about which programs have turned around, and what that says about various candidates, but (as much as the truth hurts) nobody over the last decade has pulled off a more thorough and masterful turnaround than the furds. Anderson has been there for 10 years. You have to figure he played a big role in that. I'm surprised more programs aren't banging down the doors to lure that staff away from the farm.

The only upgrade you wouldn't get with Anderson is West Coast recruiting, since furd goes national, but it'd be worth it. IF he could be lured away from their program to ours.

If not him, it better not be another offense-only guy. I'm hoping a HC change will get Cal back to playing big-boy football, the kind where you actually try to stop the other team from scoring (and don't have a ceiling of 7 wins per season as a result).
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kingwin;842770719 said:

1. Dave Aranda (Dream Hire)
2. Troy Calhoun
3. Ken Niumatalolo
4. Justin Wilcox
5. Willie Taggart
6. Matt Rhule


And someone mentioned Bob Davie. Haven't followed what he's been doing at NM, but must be pretty good.

I never liked his coaching (soft), but ND experience would translate pretty well to Cal. How old is he?

As to Leavitt, he seems to have lost his mind on the sidelines way too often for me. Maybe he's mellowed.

The most important thing from this thread is that we appear to have several likely candidates to start with. I suspect that money and working for a, shall we say, football knowledge challenged AD will winnow out the candidate pool.

One other thing. Calhoun and Niu would require at least a five year plan - their systems would entail a change in philosophy.
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I like Taggart and have since his days at Western Ky. Based upon my statistical obsession with turnovers and penalties - I think the guy at Wyo Bohl is good though 58. PJ Fleck at Western Michigan and he did have a cup of coffee with the 49ers. 35 years old and FIVE turnovers this entire season.

But my real favorite with head coaching experience is Dave Clawson at Wake Forest. Knows how to deal with academics and if you can show 3-4 years of patience he has turned things around every place he has been - Fordham, Richmond, Ball State and Wake Forest.

If we are talking coordinators - guy at UW.
going4roses
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This is a tricky situation.
going4roses
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And it's giving me a f____ headache.
going4roses
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slotright20;842770740 said:

I like Taggart and have since his days at Western Ky. Based upon my statistical obsession with turnovers and penalties - I think the guy at Wyo Bohl is good though 58. PJ Fleck at Western Michigan and he did have a cup of coffee with the 49ers. 35 years old and FIVE turnovers this entire season.

But my real favorite with head coaching experience is Dave Clawson at Wake Forest. Knows how to deal with academics and if you can show 3-4 years of patience he has turned things around every place he has been - Fordham, Richmond, Ball State and Wake Forest.

If we are talking coordinators - guy at UW.


He runs a 3-4 right ...personal?
MilleniaBear
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+1. And Louisville is as academically far as you can get from Cal.
going4roses
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Who is going to boost the recruiting class and walk on depth/quality. NFL resume?
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going4roses;842770765 said:

This is a tricky situation.


I'm thinking we're in better shape than we were in 2012 if we have to hunt for a new HC, but it still requires the unlikely miracle that someone else takes Sonny off our hands after he batted less than .400 here.
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going4roses;842770770 said:

Who is going to boost the recruiting class and walk on depth/quality. NFL resume?


You don't hire a coach based on current roster fit or this year's recruiting. You really don't consider walk ons. Get the right guy and let him build his own roster.

Recruiting, ability to hire a quality staff, player development, motivation, leadership, ability to execute a good scheme. Those are the things you look for.
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going4roses;842770767 said:

He runs a 3-4 right ...personal?


I think I might be missing a Cal related joke but will take you at your word. If you are talking UW - yes he runs a 3-4 but what really separates them is their tackling- just watch them - 80% of the time they lead with the shoulder between the knees and the numbers and they WRAP UP. Not many targeting calls. To me, best tackling team I have seen all year.
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MilleniaBear;842770768 said:

+1. And Louisville is as academically far as you can get from Cal.


With respect to Clawson , he has dealt with Wake Forest which granted is not Cal but it isn't Texas Tech either - and I hold a degree from Tech.
bearsandgiants
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the back-to-back wins against texas was actually a pretty significant accomplishment, and i'm sure holds a lot of weight down there. baylor is a good fit for him. fingers crossed.
PtownBear1
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You guys are talking about trying to offer $5 million to Rivera? Haha do you honestly think UC Berkeley would accept the notoriety of having one of the highest paid coaches in football? I'm surprised we're even at $3 mill. It would cause a shitstorm if we spent that kind of money on a head coach.

However, plausibility and appearances aside, an extra $2 million for coaching would be the smartest decision the administration could make. The ROI from a top coach >>> anything that can be earned in an endowment fund
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fat_slice;842770637 said:

Sigh - I'm not as opposed to giving dykes another shot as most here are. I do find it sad that we can get a 5-7 coach lured away from us. What makes us think this admin / culture can retain the next coach if he's actually good.

That said, we know sonny is good at offense and he's got some players next year. He's been shown to try new things if something isn't working - I think he actually deserves another year or two to fix the defense. He inherited a broken program.


I don't think Cal fires Sonny. Plenty of people are pissed about our atrocious defense but realistically few expected more than 5 or 6 wins here (and many expected fewer).

Sonny may decide Baylor is more his thing, though. Or Houston.
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fat_slice;842770637 said:

Sigh - I'm not as opposed to giving dykes another shot as most here are. I do find it sad that we can get a 5-7 coach lured away from us. What makes us think this admin / culture can retain the next coach if he's actually good.

That said, we know sonny is good at offense and he's got some players next year. He's been shown to try new things if something isn't working - I think he actually deserves another year or two to fix the defense. He inherited a broken program.


i don't find it sad at all if your AD is doing everything he can to encourage said coach to leave.

thinking coaches "deserve" things, in the case of JT, or needing 5-6 years to "fix" something is what leads Cal into these holes.
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Maybe he'll want to stay like ala Tedford and Neuheisel so their kids can attend the schools.
socaliganbear
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No coach deserves 5 or 6 years to fix one half of the program. Especially when he is the common denominator in now 7 years of bad defenses as an HC.

This isn't charity.
going4roses
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Hmmm k
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SoFlaBear;842770630 said:

Not in any particular order, these are Coaches I might want.

Ken Niumatalolo - Navy: 77-39 record at a school at which both academics and recruiting are a challenge.
Larry Fedora - North Carolina: 74-43 record combined at Southern Miss & North Carolina. He's probably Baylor's actual #1 choice now that Morris is out. North Carolina is academically similar to Cal, so he'd be up for the recruiting challenges Cal faces.
Bo Pelini- Youngstown State: 80-36 record at Nebraska & Youngstown State combined. Has Youngstown State in the FCS playoffs in his 2nd year. I realize it won't happen because he's worse with the media than Mike Leach, but he's a hard core defense guy and all he does is win.
Chris Klieman - North Dakota State: 41-11 overall with Loras and North Dakota State with two FCS Championships.
Brian Kelly - Notre Dame: 230-88-2 at four schools. Kelly is reportedly exploring other coaching options after having a bad year that, from where I sit, looks like an aberration. 34-6 at Cincinnati and 59-31 at Notre Dame. I seriously doubt he's forgotten how to coach.

If he were to suddenly become available, I want Ron Rivera, but I don't see him being unemployed soon.
I'd be willing to give Charlie Strong a look. Ditto Mark Helfrich.
If Lane Kiffen showed interest, Cal should give him an interview, but should take great care with any contract offer.


Eh.

I could see Lane Kiffin. Because he's a pretty boy and because of the way he bounced out of Tennessee, he probably gets a worse rap than he deserves (and because he was at SC). He's basically a younger Tedford. They're very similar, down to how conservative they get, playcalling tendencies, predisposition to play calling. A Tedford clone might sound bad, but really it was Tedford's paranoia, overexerting himself, and some downright crazy in his last few years that blew things up... not his playcalling etc (if anything getting away from the Tedford/Kiffin playcalling style contributed to the decline). If Kiffin doesn't have that particular crazy gene, perhaps it works fine.

Brian Kelly has a pretty documented history of throwing players under the bus, and a lot of bad stuff has happened at ND under his watch. Deaths at practice, academic fraud. And he has had more talent and a weaker schedule than Cal typically has.

Charlie Strong - no way. Guy does not understand offense. And his defenses.. supposedly his calling card... weren't great at Texas either. Also hated how he never even mentioend Cal in either post game presser. Something about the whole thing came off as not authentic. Dislike, pass.

Mark Helfrich - nah. He's a Sonny clone, with a slightly different offense. Only difference is he started off with some more talent when kelly left.

Klieman - I could do that.

Bo Pelini - if he has west coast recruting ties (which nebraska typically does) and is interested, maybe. Nebraska let him go thinking they're a bigger program than they are. I could see that.

Fedora - did any of UNC's academic mess happen under him?

Ken N - no triple option here

Obviously Ron Rivera would be tits, pancakes and beer. A Wilcox/Tosh/(spav?) combo would be pretty cool too.
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beeasyed;842770801 said:

i don't find it sad at all if your AD is doing everything he can to encourage said coach to leave.

thinking coaches "deserve" things, in the case of JT, or needing 5-6 years to "fix" something is what leads Cal into these holes.


Deserves got nothing to do with it

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grandmastapoop;842770632 said:

Makes sense to me. He can go to SJSU, learn how to run a program, win against weak competition, and with little interference from the admin, and then leap to the job of his choosing. Honestly, our admin has put us in a bad spot, and I'm concerned the job is not very attractive at the moment. Certainly not for a hot name, looking to build his resume at his first head job.


You're saying we can't poach a coach from SJSU?? I beg to differ.
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Fedora isn't going to be coming here. If A&M opens up next year it's his job. We wouldn't pay enough to begin to hire him in the first place.

Taggart is an option I like. Strong is another possibility. Basically the pool available to us has to be either a redemptive story or an up and comer who wants to prove they can win with restrictions. Unless Ron Rivera tells us he wants to come coach us I don't think the position looks attractive enough to other people -- part of the reason why the media was talking about Dykes to Baylor in the first place is because the perception is that Cal is a difficult job and has little to no administrative or financial foundation.
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OaktownBear;842770657 said:

There are only two candidates that have been mentioned on this board that are remotely acceptable. Ron Rivera who is extremely unlikely and Jim Leavitt. You guys are all going down the same route that got us into this mess-name HC guys who are necessarily retreads or mediocre because that is all we'll pay for.

Spavital - yeah, the past four years has been awesome. Someone gives us a get out of jail free card and we go rob the nearest liquor store

Helfrich - can I please have the guy who took a dominant program with unlimited funds and ran it into the ground in a few years? What, Gilby isn't available?

Charlie Strong - can't beat our crappy coach with better personnel

Lane Kiffin - Oh H to the E to the double L no. Jesus H. Christ, you know a lot of Cal fans are Raider fans and got to see that act up close. Not a one would take Kiffin over Hue and we don't want Hue. Kiffin was a good OC before being a absolutely crap head coach everywhere he has gone. It is not surprising he is a good OC again.

Call Ron. If he doesn't want it, get Ron to help look. Get Herm Edwards, Jack Clark, Mooch and others to put together a list of guys they believe in that we have never heard of. Add Leavitt. Do the interviews. No $2M mediocre head coaches please.


This. Contact Cal guys who know the football coaching business. Be prepared to hire someone rough around the edges. We want a football coach not a professional interview taker
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I like Kiffin as an option. More of an upward trend than some of the other names being bantered and we know he can recruit.

Honestly, if we had some assurance he was on the wagon, I'd be happy with Sark. Very confident he would recruit well, deliver a consistent winning program and beat USC and Furd on at least a somewhat consistent basis. We'd lose a lot to UCLA, but I'd be ok with that trade-off.

Strong would get recruits, but he did so little with so much at TX (and that conference is considerably easier than the Pac 12) I don't think he'd elevate the program above Sonny's ceiling.
Helfrich for OC? Sure. HC? No, he strikes me as a Gilby kind of coach - nice guy, great offensive mind, lousy HC.

Wilcox, Spav - I like either of these. Both up-and-coming coaches.

Rick N - Laugh all you want, but he won a Rose Bowl and was a very good coach at CU. I don't know what happened at UCLA (maybe too close to home for him), but he can recruit very well and he has a lot more success than Strong, Kiffin or Sark. My concern would be how long he has been out of the game.

Then of course we could see if Chad Morris would be more open to Cal than Baylor. That would be pretty funny to see.
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socaliganbear;842770805 said:

No coach deserves 5 or 6 years to fix one half of the program. Especially when he is the common denominator in now 7 years of bad defenses as an HC.

This isn't charity.


We've seen defenses fixed in one season, with the right hire... Many examples here in the Pac-12 going back a decade or so, CU most recently. The Cougs even too.

SD has had four seasons, and burned through his DC and OC the first three.

This could be a win / win for SD and Cal...
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OaktownBear;842770707 said:

On paper Kwiatkowski would be my first choice out of the realistic candidates. His record as an assistant is impeccable


Seems like a good choice - take the best assistant in the Pac 12, which would be either him or CU's DC. Kiffin fits that criteria as well, though he may be a tough get.
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fat_slice;842770637 said:

Sigh - I'm not as opposed to giving dykes another shot as most here are. I do find it sad that we can get a 5-7 coach lured away from us. What makes us think this admin / culture can retain the next coach if he's actually good.

That said, we know sonny is good at offense and he's got some players next year. He's been shown to try new things if something isn't working - I think he actually deserves another year or two to fix the defense. He inherited a broken program.

I for one am with you on this without a doubt. And yes the program was broken when he got here and then the admin set the bones broken with higher grade point standards...which we know are not "standardized" metrics of any kind (cue the many grade inflation threads) especially with regard to the collegiate athletic world we compete in.

Take solace it's Christmas season (yes **** off to the pc safe space knuckleheads) and this is like Black Friday time for coaaches that look shiny and new.
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Cal89;842770832 said:

We've seen defenses fixed in one season, with the right hire... Many examples here in the Pac-12 going back a decade or so, CU most recently. The Cougs even too.

SD has had four seasons, and burned through his DC and OC the first three.

This could be a win / win for SD and Cal...


yes, Cal could (and probably will) f*ck up this opportunity, anyway, but when was the last time we were on the other side of a multi-million dollar buyout? we'd have an extra $2m to work with if Baylor comes through.

i'd rather gamble on a vacancy than endure another season with a lame duck HC, a whole new set of defensive staff, and another weak recruiting class.
 
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