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bearister;842860826 said:
Seven Samurai
Gendry is the Zack Maynard of that team, hammerwork notwithstanding
Spoiler alert!!!!
Pretty much confirmed the Jon Snow is a Targareyen and isn't a bastard theory (that first one has been pretty apparent for a while now). He's definitely riding one of these dragons into the final battle.
Pretty much confirmed the Jon Snow is a Targareyen and isn't a bastard theory (that first one has been pretty apparent for a while now). He's definitely riding one of these dragons into the final battle.
Sebastabear;842860830 said:
Spoiler alert!!!!
Pretty much confirmed the Jon Snow is a Targareyen and isn't a bastard theory (that first one has been pretty apparent for a while now). He's definitely riding one of these dragons into the final battle.
I thought that scene also lended a lot of credence to the tyrion is a targaryen theory.
In fact, they seem to be making that theory so obvious that I wouldn't be surprised if they just killed tyrion and Jon just to f with the audience.
Cersei and Jaime: 9 out of 10 experts agree that behavior such as theirs often starts at home.
ducky23;842860835 said:
I thought that scene also lended a lot of credence to the tyrion is a targaryen theory.
In fact, they seem to be making that theory so obvious that I wouldn't be surprised if they just killed tyrion and Jon just to f with the audience.
While GRRM was delightfully unpredictable about who would live and die, my friend the book reader pointed out that now that the producers/HBO are directing the story, they are way more predictable. For example, last week's last moment save of Jaime was very Hollywood. So I would say that Jon and Tyrion are among the least likely to die. One reason I think Jon won't die is that he is so bad at war, and he's so afflicted with a sense of integrity, that he should be dead already (his ass has been saved at least twice), but he's too popular for HBO to kill off now.
IMO, main characters most likely to be alive at the end:
1. Dany (obvs)
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2. Tyrion
3. Jon
The rest of the Lannisters are the most likely to be dead at the end.
Most intriguing character right now I think is Sansa. She publicly questioned Jon about being so forgiving towards those who betrayed him, and then last night she failed to defend him vigorously enough when she really needed to shore up support for him. If GRRM were in charge I could easily see her displace Jon, but with HBO in charge I don't think they want to plss off the female fans of the show. Littlefinger's manipulation of Arya is the most interesting thing at the moment. What's his objective?
However, this isn't how I want the story to end. At the end of Breaking Bad, I was hoping for Walter to survive the cancer and consolidate his empire as the drug lord of the Southwest, but to lose his family (either through death or by them running away to escape him). That would have been the ultimate ironic ending. Instead, we got a Hollywood "feel good about the murderous drug lord who was really just trying to take care of his family" ending. In GoT, I think a proper GRRM ending would be Cersei being the ultimate victor at the end. But it seems really unlikely.
TouchedTheAxeIn82;842860950 said:
While GRRM was delightfully unpredictable about who would live and die, my friend the book reader pointed out that now that the producers/HBO are directing the story, they are way more predictable. For example, last week's last moment save of Jaime was very Hollywood. So I would say that Jon and Tyrion are among the least likely to die. One reason I think Jon won't die is that he is so bad at war, and he's so afflicted with a sense of integrity, that he should be dead already (his ass has been saved at least twice), but he's too popular for HBO to kill off now.
IMO, main characters most likely to be alive at the end:
1. Dany (obvs)
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V
2. Tyrion
3. Jon
The rest of the Lannisters are the most likely to be dead at the end.
Most intriguing character right now I think is Sansa. She publicly questioned Jon about being so forgiving towards those who betrayed him, and then last night she failed to defend him vigorously enough when she really needed to shore up support for him. If GRRM were in charge I could easily see her displace Jon, but with HBO in charge I don't think they want to plss off the female fans of the show. Littlefinger's manipulation of Arya is the most interesting thing at the moment. What's his objective?
Good analysis but I have a different take on ranking of who will survive until the end. Based on their slow but steady reveal of Jon's parentage and heritage, I would think he would be number 1. I am not so sure on Dany. I think she will serve a good purpose in the main fight, but she and Jon cannot really co-exist.
As far as Littlefinger, his objective is to create chaos (chaos is a ladder) and have Sansa isolated and alone so that she can turn to him only. However, I don't see Arya and Sansa allowing LF to live much longer. That story is not going anywhere but he does need to pay for his betrayal in Season 1 and, therefore, I think they are building this up to make his fall even sweeter. However, I just don't see what role he would have in the main battle.
The one character I can't seem to get a handle on is Jaime. Just when I think he is going to pivot, he doesn't.
TouchedTheAxeIn82;842860950 said:
While GRRM was delightfully unpredictable about who would live and die, my friend the book reader pointed out that now that the producers/HBO are directing the story, they are way more predictable. For example, last week's last moment save of Jaime was very Hollywood. So I would say that Jon and Tyrion are among the least likely to die. One reason I think Jon won't die is that he is so bad at war, and he's so afflicted with a sense of integrity, that he should be dead already (his ass has been saved at least twice), but he's too popular for HBO to kill off now.
IMO, main characters most likely to be alive at the end:
1. Dany (obvs)
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V
2. Tyrion
3. Jon
The rest of the Lannisters are the most likely to be dead at the end.
Most intriguing character right now I think is Sansa. She publicly questioned Jon about being so forgiving towards those who betrayed him, and then last night she failed to defend him vigorously enough when she really needed to shore up support for him. If GRRM were in charge I could easily see her displace Jon, but with HBO in charge I don't think they want to plss off the female fans of the show. Littlefinger's manipulation of Arya is the most interesting thing at the moment. What's his objective?
Littlefinger wants what he's always wanted... the Iron Throne. I honestly think it's not entirely outside of the realm of possibility, at least if Martin was writing this, for everyone but Littlefinger to do die and for him to take the grand prize. Wouldn't be very Hollywood (as you note) but would be consistent with the whole "In the Game of Thrones you either win or you die" motif. He's the only major character without noble blood lines in the entire show (well, other maybe than Varys). It would be a victory for meritocracy for him to win out in the end. We public school kids should be pulling for him
As to why specifically the Arya play, I think Littlefinger in addition to power really wants Caitlyn Stark, and since she's dead (at least in the TV show) he'll take her daughter instead. Having the Stark sisters united means he's less likely to be able to get with Sansa since Arya hates his guts (as should Sansa if she had any sense). If they are estranged, he can "help" Sansa in her struggles with Arya and bind her more tightly to him. Plus ultimately anything that weakens the other great houses is good for Littlefinger as it weakens their ability to grab the throne.
I really hope Arya puts that dagger of hers right through his skull at some point.
TouchedTheAxeIn82;842860954 said:
However, this isn't how I want the story to end. At the end of Breaking Bad, I was hoping for Walter to survive the cancer and consolidate his empire as the drug lord of the Southwest, but to lose his family (either through death or by them running away to escape him). That would have been the ultimate ironic ending. Instead, we got a Hollywood "feel good about the murderous drug lord who was really just trying to take care of his family" ending. In GoT, I think a proper GRRM ending would be Cersei being the ultimate victor at the end. But it seems really unlikely.
I know what you mean about the ending to Breaking Bad. It was fine but was too clean for how bad he actually did break.
I disagree with you on the ending for GoT, though. I don't think Cersei would have lasted until the end in GRRM's ending. GRRM's characters with a fatal flaw always get killed. Cersei may be good at strategy to remove her enemies, but she is pretty horrible at buying allegiance or ruling. Her being the ultimate winner in the game of thrones wouldn't be likely even in GRRM ending.
calbear93;842860963 said:
I know what you mean about the ending to Breaking Bad. It was fine but was too clean for how bad he actually did break.
I disagree with you on the ending for GoT, though. I don't think Cersei would have lasted until the end in GRRM's ending. GRRM's characters with a fatal flaw always get killed. Cersei may be good at strategy to remove her enemies, but she is pretty horrible at buying allegiance or ruling. Her being the ultimate winner in the game of thrones wouldn't be likely even in GRRM ending.
Can someone explain to me how Jaime and broom get away after Jaime charged Dany? She had to have an idea who was charging her on horse with Lance... At least Tyrion did and it seems someone would have made an attempt to capture him. Please don't tell me he and Bron could have floated that downstream without coming up for air.
SRBear;842861068 said:
Can someone explain to me how Jaime and broom get away after Jaime charged Dany? She had to have an idea who was charging her on horse with Lance... At least Tyrion did and it seems someone would have made an attempt to capture him. Please don't tell me he and Bron could have floated that downstream without coming up for air.
Not to mention, Jaime had his armor on and a heavy gold hand, neither of which he apparently took off.
Yeah yeah I know. Dragons and Ice Zombies. It's not a real world. But the books probably do a slightly better job of keeping the mundane stuff more realistic than the TV show. So if GRRM every writes any more books, hopefully there will be fewer girls getting stabbed in the gut and recovering quickly after soup and a nap. And fewer people falling into water deep enough to drown while wearing armor and then surfacing, even with help. The books actually make a point about showing the consequences of that on multiple occasions.
OneKeg;842861080 said:
But the books probably do a slightly better job of keeping the mundane stuff more realistic than the TV show.
Considering the number of dead people that have been reanimated, plus one more yet to be reanimated, I don't think the books have a big edge in realism.
The other interesting part - who will the throne pass to after Dany, will she adopt Gendry and return the Kingdom to Baratheon rule? John probably sterile, Dany sterile, Tyrion possibly sterile also disinclined to breed.
SRBear;842861068 said:
Can someone explain to me how Jaime and broom get away after Jaime charged Dany? She had to have an idea who was charging her on horse with Lance... At least Tyrion did and it seems someone would have made an attempt to capture him. Please don't tell me he and Bron could have floated that downstream without coming up for air.
Yes, it is totally ridiculous, especially given that Tyrion watched the whole thing unfold in a very focused manor. Almost as silly as how far they let Jaime sink in the water to end e4.
Yogi Bear;842861088 said:
Considering the number of dead people that have been reanimated, plus one more yet to be reanimated, I don't think the books have a big edge in realism.
Well yeah - and I already mentioned the dragons and ice zombies. Not saying the books are realistic in that sense. I guess I was including reanimation of the dead as more in that fantasy category and just trying to say that the books try to keep the mundane stuff (not including dragons or ice zombies or reanimation of the dead or Mel's shadowbabies) a little more real than the show. Maybe the distinction doesn't matter to you which is fair enough.
But I mean more along the lines of: no overnight teleportation of certain characters around the continent, Olenna Tyrell probably wouldn't just sit on a mountain of gold watching the total downfall of her house and loss of said gold (use it to buy mercenaries, bribe Lannister vassals, anything), and yeah I doubt the books are going to have Jaime swim underwater with his armor and golden hand for any distance, with or without Bronn's help (of course the two characters don't even really know each other in the books).
OneKeg;842861148 said:
I doubt the books are going to have Jaime swim underwater with his armor and golden hand for any distanc with or without Bronn's help (of course the two characters don't even really know each other in the books).
No question that the going underwater in full armor with a gold hand and coming back up stretches credulity. Not to mention the even bigger issue that once they do come up for air, it's gonna be very close to a dragon that's gonna want a second shot at him. Then add to that part how they get back into King's Landing when Daenerys's army is taking the rest of his army prisoner. All in all, there was a lot of suspension of disbelief and it's only going to increase in the coming weeks.
Seems to me that Arya isn't taking full advantage of her shapeshifting powers. She took down the Freys in one fell swoop in efficient fashion. And yet, she falls into a simple Littlefinger trap that could have easily been avoided. Why not figure out what Littlfinger is up to by shapeshifting into one of his spies and having a simple chat with him instead of lurking around and hiding?
Why not just waltz into Kings Landing and pull another version of the Frey stunt? Is that just too easy?
Why not just waltz into Kings Landing and pull another version of the Frey stunt? Is that just too easy?
TheSouseFamily;842861171 said:
Seems to me that Arya isn't taking full advantage of her shapeshifting powers. She took down the Freys in one fell swoop in efficient fashion. And yet, she falls into a simple Littlefinger trap that could have easily been avoided. Why not figure out what Littlfinger is up to by shapeshifting into one of his spies and having a simple chat with him instead of lurking around and hiding?
Why not just waltz into Kings Landing and pull another version of the Frey stunt? Is that just too easy?
Doesn't she have to figure out who to kill first so she can borrow their face?
TheSouseFamily;842861171 said:
Seems to me that Arya isn't taking full advantage of her shapeshifting powers. She took down the Freys in one fell swoop in efficient fashion. And yet, she falls into a simple Littlefinger trap that could have easily been avoided. Why not figure out what Littlfinger is up to by shapeshifting into one of his spies and having a simple chat with him instead of lurking around and hiding?
Why not just waltz into Kings Landing and pull another version of the Frey stunt? Is that just too easy?
If Bran knows everything that is going on, why doesn't he tell Sansa and Arya that Littlefinger is a dirty rat who sold out their dad?
MSaviolives;842861189 said:
If Bran knows everything that is going on, why doesn't he tell Sansa and Arya that Littlefinger is a dirty rat who sold out their dad?
Littlefinger wasn't a highborn. You're either a dirty rat, or you're food.
MSaviolives;842861189 said:
If Bran knows everything that is going on, why doesn't he tell Sansa and Arya that Littlefinger is a dirty rat who sold out their dad?
I'm guessing he may do so later (he is a bit busy with the White Walkers) or LF still has a purpose to serve. He may also not care too deeply about the politics and, in the grand scheme of things, may not think that LF's betrayal is that big of a deal.
SRBear;842861173 said:
Doesn't she have to figure out who to kill first so she can borrow their face?
Maybe she could just use one of the faces of a common girl and pretend to be a server (like she did with the Frey). I did wonder where she got that face though (who did she kill) to deceive Frey? I haven't seen any common person get close to Cersei. She probably needs someone close to Cersei (maybe Qyburn but probably not Jaime because of the golden hand) to have a real chance of killing her.
TheSouseFamily;842861171 said:
Seems to me that Arya isn't taking full advantage of her shapeshifting powers. She took down the Freys in one fell swoop in efficient fashion. And yet, she falls into a simple Littlefinger trap that could have easily been avoided. Why not figure out what Littlfinger is up to by shapeshifting into one of his spies and having a simple chat with him instead of lurking around and hiding?
Why not just waltz into Kings Landing and pull another version of the Frey stunt? Is that just too easy?
I go back to when Arya left the many faced gods temple. They sent that girl to kill her. She thought she had Arya, then the candle went out... For all we know...Littlefinger may be playing her game.
TouchedTheAxeIn82;842860950 said:
Littlefinger's manipulation of Arya is the most interesting thing at the moment. What's his objective?
Chaos is a ladder.
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kaplanfx;842861525 said:
Chaos is a ladder.
-kap
Hmm...
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Yes, Littlefinger has his own designs, and Bran sees everything...
And all hell is about to break loose...
Oh here it is, Bran freaks him out:
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I'm loving every minute of this season (my favorite, by far) and feel bad for all the purists and realists that get hung up on certain elements they don't like in certain episodes and let it spoil things for them.
Oh damn, seeing the story from another perspective:
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Not a book reader, so seeing the story for the first time, a lot of the details (and the big picture perhaps) were lost on me. It's all coming together, but I definitely need to read the episode reviews to figure stuff out and catch all the details.
OK credit where credit is due, you mentioned this first in response to my question about Littlefinger. I was fuzzy on his story, although I know he betrayed multiple Starks and somehow he's still alive.
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Not a book reader, so seeing the story for the first time, a lot of the details (and the big picture perhaps) were lost on me. It's all coming together, but I definitely need to read the episode reviews to figure stuff out and catch all the details.
calbear93;842860958 said:
As far as Littlefinger, his objective is to create chaos (chaos is a ladder) and have Sansa isolated and alone so that she can turn to him only. However, I don't see Arya and Sansa allowing LF to live much longer. That story is not going anywhere but he does need to pay for his betrayal in Season 1 and, therefore, I think they are building this up to make his fall even sweeter. However, I just don't see what role he would have in the main battle.
OK credit where credit is due, you mentioned this first in response to my question about Littlefinger. I was fuzzy on his story, although I know he betrayed multiple Starks and somehow he's still alive.
I have never seen a single episode.
But yall seem to really like it alot.
But yall seem to really like it alot.
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I've read every book and seen every episode multiple times as well as listen to a few podcasts while driving or walking the dogs.
Love the show and it's really satisfying to see how they're tying together so many elements, with so many important characters finally meeting for the first time after all these years.
Also really curious to see which of the spinoff ideas wins out and how quickly they move into production after GoT. One thing's for certain, though -Benioff and Weiss will not produce the show and it's highly unlikely that it will move the timeline forward but rather be a prequel.
There are already @5-6 projects in development, of which HBO will choose one to start with. I'd think the most likely one would be starting around Robert's Rebellion, so they could build off a largely recognizable cast of characters.
I think going back much further would be really interesting, too, and there will likely be further spinoffs in the future but I think more people will need to be brought up to speed on the history and mythology of GoT to go back much farther early after GoT is over.
Really interesting that they slipped in that Rhaegar Targaryen's marriage to Elia Martell was formally annulled. She probably turned out to be as crazy as the rest of that family and Ned Stark's sister Lyanna was probably looking like the much more appealing option. That means that Jon Snow is true-born Jon Targaryen and probably has a stronger claim to the throne than Daenerys does since his father would've been king if he wasn't killed and he's in the direct line of succession from King Aerys. I don't think he aspires to the throne, though, and I'd imagine he'd let Daenerys have it if they're still alive once Cersei's presumably disposed of -possibly to be choked to death by Jaime or Tyrion if they stick to book prophecy. If that happens, I'd think it will be in a moment similar to when Tyrion choked Shae, with Cersei going psycho and trying to kill one of them, with her meeting her demise in self-defense.
Always possible that they marry (even as niece and nephew) and take the throne together as king and queen, too.
Love the show and it's really satisfying to see how they're tying together so many elements, with so many important characters finally meeting for the first time after all these years.
Also really curious to see which of the spinoff ideas wins out and how quickly they move into production after GoT. One thing's for certain, though -Benioff and Weiss will not produce the show and it's highly unlikely that it will move the timeline forward but rather be a prequel.
There are already @5-6 projects in development, of which HBO will choose one to start with. I'd think the most likely one would be starting around Robert's Rebellion, so they could build off a largely recognizable cast of characters.
I think going back much further would be really interesting, too, and there will likely be further spinoffs in the future but I think more people will need to be brought up to speed on the history and mythology of GoT to go back much farther early after GoT is over.
Really interesting that they slipped in that Rhaegar Targaryen's marriage to Elia Martell was formally annulled. She probably turned out to be as crazy as the rest of that family and Ned Stark's sister Lyanna was probably looking like the much more appealing option. That means that Jon Snow is true-born Jon Targaryen and probably has a stronger claim to the throne than Daenerys does since his father would've been king if he wasn't killed and he's in the direct line of succession from King Aerys. I don't think he aspires to the throne, though, and I'd imagine he'd let Daenerys have it if they're still alive once Cersei's presumably disposed of -possibly to be choked to death by Jaime or Tyrion if they stick to book prophecy. If that happens, I'd think it will be in a moment similar to when Tyrion choked Shae, with Cersei going psycho and trying to kill one of them, with her meeting her demise in self-defense.
Always possible that they marry (even as niece and nephew) and take the throne together as king and queen, too.
MoragaBear;842861567 said:
I'm loving every minute of this season (my favorite, by far) and feel bad for all the purists and realists that get hung up on certain elements they don't like in certain episodes and let it spoil things for them.
Best show ever. Even better than Breaking Bad, which was the best show ever. This is the golden era of television. We're lucky to be the beneficiaries of it.
MB - What podcast would you recommend? I listen occasionally to the Screenjunkies "Watching Thrones" podcast but if there's a better one, I'd definitely give it a listen.
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TheSouseFamily;842861725 said:
MB - What podcast would you recommend? I listen occasionally to the Screenjunkies "Watching Thrones" podcast but if there's a better one, I'd definitely give it a listen.
My favorites are EW's Game of Thrones Weekly, Game of Owns, A Cast of Kings and Afterbuzz TV's Game of Thrones After Show (ignore the annoying intro).
MoragaBear;842861731 said:
My favorites are EW's Game of Thrones Weekly, Game of Owns, A Cast of Kings and Afterbuzz TV's Game of Thrones After Show (ignore the annoying intro).
Awesome. Thanks. I've got some listening to do. There's so much going on plot-wise and character-wise that I almost need it just to keep everything (and everyone) straight.
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