burritos;842861724 said:

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Best show ever. Even better than Breaking Bad, which was the best show ever. This is the golden era of television. We're lucky to be the beneficiaries of it.

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If you haven't already, I'd recommend watching HBO's The Leftovers. Its probably not as entertaining as GoT, but its arguably the most well crafted and intelligent TV shows ever made. You just gotta get past that first season.

Trust me, if you have an appreciation for music and film, its almost impossible not to marvel at this show.

ducky23;842861812 said:

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If you haven't already, I'd recommend watching HBO's The Leftovers. Its probably not as entertaining as GoT, but its arguably the most well crafted and intelligent TV shows ever made. You just gotta get past that first season.

Trust me, if you have an appreciation for music and film, its almost impossible not to marvel at this show.

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The last episode was extremely touching and was a great resolution without answering any of the questions.

TheSouseFamily;842861171 said:

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Seems to me that Arya isn't taking full advantage of her shapeshifting powers. She took down the Freys in one fell swoop in efficient fashion. And yet, she falls into a simple Littlefinger trap that could have easily been avoided. Why not figure out what Littlfinger is up to by shapeshifting into one of his spies and having a simple chat with him instead of lurking around and hiding?

Why not just waltz into Kings Landing and pull another version of the Frey stunt? Is that just too easy?

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I hated that "shapeshifting." It's very Mission Impossible. I almost expected Tom Cruise to pop out selling Scientology to the masses. The writers are better than that.

calbear93;842861824 said:

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The last episode was extremely touching and was a great resolution without answering any of the questions.

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Did you watch "Billions?" Some of the best acting and writing around. On the other end, my also favorite "Silicon Valley" was something of a disappointment last season.

MoragaBear;842861715 said:

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I've read every book and seen every episode multiple times as well as listen to a few podcasts while driving or walking the dogs.

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Which ones? I like Boars, Gore and Swords as well as A Cast of Kings. Definitely the first show that I've been into enough to listen to podcasts and read tons of articles. There are so many characters and connections it's hard to get everything (but still enjoyable) without some additional material. I'm a book reader as well but that isn't helping much now.

-kap

Edit: I really need to read the full thread before I respond...

burritos;842861724 said:

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Best show ever. Even better than Breaking Bad, which was the best show ever. This is the golden era of television. We're lucky to be the beneficiaries of it.

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Breaking Bad is also a good example of a show with a working spin off and it's similar to GoT in that the characters motivations and back stories are pretty well developed.

-kap

It'll probably not happen, but I'd like to see Tyrion become ruler of the Seven Kingdoms and sit on the Iron Throne. The little guy has been through so much and yet he's been able to manipulate the forces against him and survive. He's intelligent and generally respected. Most importantly, Peter Dinklage, is the first name displayed when they name the cast. I guess that means he makes the most money.

Can someone knowledgeable tell me what happened to the "shadow" that Melisandra (?) gave birth to?

6bear6;842861885 said:

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It'll probably not happen, but I'd like to see Tyrion become ruler of the Seven Kingdoms and sit on the Iron Throne. The little guy has been through so much and yet he's been able to manipulate the forces against him and survive. He's intelligent and generally respected. Most importantly, Peter Dinklage, is the first name displayed when they name the cast. I guess that means he makes the most money.

Can someone knowledgeable tell me what happened to the "shadow" that Melisandra (?) gave birth to?

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It dissipated. It was just a spell and not an actual living being.

Tyrion didn't manipulate. People liked him and saved him, whether it was Jaime, Bron, Varys, Dany. He is one of the few decent characters. He drinks and he knows things.

The night is dark and full of spoilers... With episode 6 being leaked, be wary of spoilers on the internet.

ARbear;842861976 said:

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The night is dark and full of spoilers... With episode 6 being leaked, be wary of spoilers on the internet.

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Anyone who would read any leaks instead of enjoying fully one of the best shows on TV is an idiot. There aren't that many episodes left. I would want to maximize what I get out of the remaining shows.

MoragaBear;842861990 said:

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Yeah, the wait's going to be long enough after this season. I don't need to make it even longer by watching some bootleg version on my laptop instead of HD on my big screen.

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The leak this time is in HD. It is certainly not a boring episode like last week.

TouchedTheAxeIn82;842861564 said:

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Hmm...

[video=youtube;PxlIraEV8n4][/video]

Yes, Littlefinger has his own designs, and Bran sees everything...

And all hell is about to break loose...

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My guess is that his secret beneficiary he mentions always was Cersei. There is a great misdirection scene from the last episode, when Jamie walks in on Cersei with her Hand, and your supposed to think the scene is about Jamie being jealous. Instead, I suspect the show runners are showing Cersei plotting with the Hand to contact Littlefinger for something diabolical. She insinuates that by then saying to Jaime the way to win is not militarily, but "the way father did", which implies with alliances, and the like. GOT always seems to be showing its hand in interesting ways. BTW, this is just my theory, guessing which way GOT is headed is usually makes you look bad.

Littlefinger turned his back on Cersei by overthrowing the Bolton's, I seriously doubt he is still on Cersei's list of people she will ally with. Also because of his fondness for Sansa (standing in for Catelyn) and Cersei' hatred for her. Littlefinger above all loves Cat Tully girls and hates the Starks. It is also hard to imagine how he will rally the knights of the Aerie to aid Cersei against Dany, particularly given that Dany and Snow are now tacit allies.

Sansa will put an end to LF at some point, possibly by throwing him under the bus to Arya and probably at the point where he is getting ready to drop her and gloat about it.

tommie317;842861999 said:

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The leak this time is in HD. It is certainly not a boring episode like last week.

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Boring?? Hell no. That episode was very satisfying. They had some extremely important and awesome scenes.

Oo, just read the spoiler on who the third rider will be. It sounds awesome.

If you can't wait:
https://www.pollstar.com/article/demolished-arena-debt-nearly-clear-132718

rkt88edmo;842862287 said:

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Littlefinger turned his back on Cersei by overthrowing the Bolton's, I seriously doubt he is still on Cersei's list of people she will ally with. Also because of his fondness for Sansa (standing in for Catelyn) and Cersei' hatred for her. Littlefinger above all loves Cat Tully girls and hates the Starks. It is also hard to imagine how he will rally the knights of the Aerie to aid Cersei against Dany, particularly given that Dany and Snow are now tacit allies.

Sansa will put an end to LF at some point, possibly by throwing him under the bus to Arya and probably at the point where he is getting ready to drop her and gloat about it.

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Knights of the Vale (Aka The Eyrie).

I think LF will die at the pointy end of the cats paw dagger ....

ARbear;842862350 said:

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Boring?? Hell no. That episode was very satisfying. They had some extremely important and awesome scenes.

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I'm sure I will very much enjoy the episode but what's with this whole idea of traveling north of the wall to catch a wight? Seems like such an obviously suicidal idea. Plus this whole manufactured rivalry between Sansa and Arya seems out of left field. The absence of Martin's writing has shown itself I feel like.

rkt88edmo;842862287 said:

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Littlefinger turned his back on Cersei by overthrowing the Bolton's, I seriously doubt he is still on Cersei's list of people she will ally with. Also because of his fondness for Sansa (standing in for Catelyn) and Cersei' hatred for her. Littlefinger above all loves Cat Tully girls and hates the Starks. It is also hard to imagine how he will rally the knights of the Aerie to aid Cersei against Dany, particularly given that Dany and Snow are now tacit allies.

Sansa will put an end to LF at some point, possibly by throwing him under the bus to Arya and probably at the point where he is getting ready to drop her and gloat about it.

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Don't forget LF's role in the death of Joffrey. Doubt the story will end with Cersei and LF being allies even if Cersei currently does not know of LF's role in her son's murder. It is not going to end well for LF.

gobears725;842862361 said:

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I'm sure I will very much enjoy the episode but what's with this whole idea of traveling north of the wall to catch a wight? Seems like such an obviously suicidal idea. Plus this whole manufactured rivalry between Sansa and Arya seems out of left field. The absence of Martin's writing has shown itself I feel like.

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They were never close, even in Season 1. Arya wanted to learn how to fight and wasn't interested in dressing up and getting married ("no, that's not me"). Sansa wanted to dress up and play queen. They are not rivals, but they also don't click. But family trumps personality differences, especially after all the tragedies that have befallen the Starks.

gobears725;842862361 said:

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I'm sure I will very much enjoy the episode but what's with this whole idea of traveling north of the wall to catch a wight? Seems like such an obviously suicidal idea. Plus this whole manufactured rivalry between Sansa and Arya seems out of left field. The absence of Martin's writing has shown itself I feel like.

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Yeah, it's a bad idea for sure. Like a lot of things this season, a suspension of disbelief is required.

Since in the books Littlefinger has different plans for Sansa than in the series where he delivered her to Ramsey Bolton, it's not clear that Sansa would have any reason to distrust Littlefinger who from her perspective has only helped her get out of King's Landing and protected her from the Lannisters and she isn't aware that he betrayed her father to the Lannisters. So any potential book rivalry between Sansa and Arya may be different from what they're manufacturing out of Sansa's possible desire to rule the North.

gobears725;842862361 said:

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I'm sure I will very much enjoy the episode but what's with this whole idea of traveling north of the wall to catch a wight? Seems like such an obviously suicidal idea. Plus this whole manufactured rivalry between Sansa and Arya seems out of left field. The absence of Martin's writing has shown itself I feel like.

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Area has been pissed at Sansa ever since she got the butcher boy killed (and her own dire wolf in the process). Sansa turned her back on Arya for the opportunity to be Queen and Arya hasn't forgotten that. I don't feel their rivalry is manufactured at all.

-kap

kaplanfx;842862404 said:

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Area has been pissed at Sansa ever since she got the butcher boy killed (and her own dire wolf in the process). Sansa turned her back on Arya for the opportunity to be Queen and Arya hasn't forgotten that. I don't feel their rivalry is manufactured at all.

-kap

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Yeah but both characters have evolved past that point and gone through a lot. To think that Sansa still resents Arya because she doesn't like girlish pursuits or that Arya is incapable of putting past mistakes behind them after so long is a little bit ridiculous.

MoragaBear;842862411 said:

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And she was in King's Landing when her dad lost his head. She knew what side Littlefinger was on.

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Both Sansa and Arya were in King's Landing at the time and neither knows what role Littlefinger played.

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As for Sansa not having reason to mistrust Littlefinger, you meant to say Arya, not Sansa, right? She doesn't trust him a bit when he screwed her over by arranging the marriage with Ramsey.

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I was referring to the books, not the show. We have yet to see whether Harrold Hardyng is bad marriage material or whether the marriage ever happens, but in the books the only things Littlefinger has done that would turn Sansa against him have been done out of her sight. All she knows is he helped kill Joffrey and got her out of King's Landing.

ARbear;842862350 said:

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Boring?? Hell no. That episode was very satisfying. They had some extremely important and awesome scenes.

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Boring was not the optimal word, how about "convenient" and "predictable". On the web, a lot of differing opinions about that episode, a let down from the previous episode. Once you go full Drogon, it's hard to top.

Yogi Bear;842862408 said:

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Yeah but both characters have evolved past that point and gone through a lot. To think that Sansa still resents Arya because she doesn't like girlish pursuits or that Arya is incapable of putting past mistakes behind them after so long is a little bit ridiculous.

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I watch the show, and have since the first episode aired, but I haven't read the books and don't think too much or re-watch, so forgive me if this is a poor point: Didn't Arya also blame Sansa on some level for Nedd's execution? Can we really say Arya is incapable of putting past mistakes behind her when she still has her death list?

tommie317;842862424 said:

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Boring was not the optimal word, how about "convenient" and "predictable". On the web, a lot of differing opinions about that episode, a let down from the previous episode. Once you go full Drogon, it's hard to top.

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The show has definitely gotten predictable, and very TV-y. For example, the end of two episodes ago had Jamie, in full armor, sinking to the depths of a large body of water seemingly unable to swim due to the armor, admist the aftermath of a fiery and bloody battle (a body of water by the way, which had an INCREDIBLE drop-off from the shore, because he was sinking to dark depths). Did anyone think he wouldn't survive? What a silly "cliff hanger". And THEN, the next episode begins with Jamie and Bronn emerging from that same water, either quite a ways away, or with the battlefield fully-cleared. Neither of which makes sense. If it was the former, how did they swim that far, with Bronn presumably dragging Jamie, without Dany seeing them and taking them out? If the latter, how far did they go to be completely unseen? Neither is very believable. But, as others said, you gotta suspend disbelief. It's been a very satisfying season, for me.

grandmastapoop;842862427 said:

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Didn't Arya also blame Sansa on some level for Nedd's execution?

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If she did, it wasn't apparent. In the book, Sansa reveals to Cersei Ned's plans to send Sansa and Arya back to Winterfell once he learns about Joffrey and his brother/sister's parentage which Cersei uses to get the upper hand on Ned, but this doesn't happen in the series. So other than Sansa having been loyal to Joffrey over her family, there's no reason for Arya to blame Sansa for Ned's death and in the books, she isn't aware of Sansa's betrayal.

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Can we really say Arya is incapable of putting past mistakes behind her when she still has her death list?

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Well, first off, Sansa has never been on her list. Secondly, I think she weighs something like Sansa taking Joffrey's side in the dispute over what caused Nymeria to attack Joffrey differently than the Hound for killing the butcher's son or Ilyn Payne for chopping off Ned's head.

gobears725;842862361 said:

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I'm sure I will very much enjoy the episode but what's with this whole idea of traveling north of the wall to catch a wight? Seems like such an obviously suicidal idea. Plus this whole manufactured rivalry between Sansa and Arya seems out of left field. The absence of Martin's writing has shown itself I feel like.

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I can think of so many ways this idea of black bagging a wight can go wrong:

1) Go get killed on a suicide mission (obviously)
2) Remember that the night king can possibly see the future, past, and present just like Bran (In which case you are dooooooooooooooooooomed).
3) If the night king can telegraph your plays, then he knows what your're gonna do next.
4) If you for some stupid reason, send all three dragons to extract the guys trying to capture a wight, what stops the night king from killing the dragons and turning them into wights?
5) Even if you do capture a wight and show it to everyone at King's landing, what stops Cersei from saying Ffffffff this i'm not gonna send any support and let the night king kill ya'll.

Other observations:

If Bran can see past, present, and future then he knows that Littlefinger f'ed over their family. This is why he gave the cat's paw dagger to Arya because she is probably going to end him sometime soon.

rkt88edmo;842862287 said:

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Littlefinger turned his back on Cersei by overthrowing the Bolton's, I seriously doubt he is still on Cersei's list of people she will ally with. Also because of his fondness for Sansa (standing in for Catelyn) and Cersei' hatred for her. Littlefinger above all loves Cat Tully girls and hates the Starks. It is also hard to imagine how he will rally the knights of the Aerie to aid Cersei against Dany, particularly given that Dany and Snow are now tacit allies.

Sansa will put an end to LF at some point, possibly by throwing him under the bus to Arya and probably at the point where he is getting ready to drop her and gloat about it.

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Really hard to keep up with the all the facts and turns. LF is playing both sides and chaos together. Wonder what Cersie and her Hand are up to?

Redonkulous Bear;842862461 said:

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I can think of so many ways this idea of black bagging a wight can go wrong:

1) Go get killed on a suicide mission (obviously)
2) Remember that the night king can possibly see the future, past, and present just like Bran (In which case you are dooooooooooooooooooomed).
3) If the night king can telegraph your plays, then he knows what your're gonna do next.
4) If you for some stupid reason, send all three dragons to extract the guys trying to capture a wight, what stops the night king from killing the dragons and turning them into wights?
5) Even if you do capture a wight and show it to everyone at King's landing, what stops Cersei from saying Ffffffff this i'm not gonna send any support and let the night king kill ya'll.

Other observations:

If Bran can see past, present, and future then he knows that Littlefinger f'ed over their family. This is why he gave the cat's paw dagger to Arya because she is probably going to end him sometime soon.

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This whole five Dirty Dozen misfits over the wall is cheesy as hell-like a bad Quentin Tarantino movie

Redonkulous Bear;842862461 said:

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I can think of so many ways this idea of black bagging a wight can go wrong:

1) Go get killed on a suicide mission (obviously)
2) Remember that the night king can possibly see the future, past, and present just like Bran (In which case you are dooooooooooooooooooomed).
3) If the night king can telegraph your plays, then he knows what your're gonna do next.
4) If you for some stupid reason, send all three dragons to extract the guys trying to capture a wight, what stops the night king from killing the dragons and turning them into wights?
5) Even if you do capture a wight and show it to everyone at King's landing, what stops Cersei from saying Ffffffff this i'm not gonna send any support and let the night king kill ya'll.

Other observations:

If Bran can see past, present, and future then he knows that Littlefinger f'ed over their family. This is why he gave the cat's paw dagger to Arya because she is probably going to end him sometime soon.

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I also believe the Arya is going to kill Littlefinger in the last episode of this season. I think the show has to begin moving the arc to the final war between the living and the dead, and LF is too much tied to the game of thrones "wheel" without having any foreseeable major role in Westeros (unlike Cersei, who's the antagonist of Westeros).

There are also rumors about the ice dragon in the night's army - wonder if Bran will warg it?

Overall, I think Season 7 has been a bit of a disappointment thus far. It's moving too quickly and isn't allowing stories to develop and viewers to become more attached to the characters. Compared to the earlier seasons (e.g., show pulled you into loving Rob and Cat, then Red Wedding happened out of nowhere to give you shock value and sadness), I agree with others that this show is becoming more predictable and hasn't pulled me in emotionally as much.